Re: [sidr] Validation reconsidered draft status

2015-11-12 Thread Andy Newton

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Karen Seo  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I think the authors have brought up some pertinent issues which have helped 
> inspire other work which subsumes them.  So I thank them but agree that it 
> seems appropriate to drop this draft since those issues are now being covered 
> in other documents and those documents have additional detail.  Randy's I-D 
> discusses INR transfers.  Steve's draft on adverse action provides a detailed 
> analysis of the "operational fragility" of the RPKI in the face of attacks 
> and errors.  So, if the adverse actions draft is adopted by the WG,  we (the 
> WG) could use the requirements stemming from these two IDs as the basis for a 
> solution(s) document.  Just personal preference, but I also find having one 
> document per topic/issue (at least when they're as complex as is the case 
> with the threat analysis) easier to follow and would also like to separate 
> defining of issues and their requirements from describing the solution.

If I’m reading your argument correctly, you’re saying that 
validation-reconsidered is not necessary because Kent’s adverse actions draft 
provides a solution.

Except that it doesn’t. Validation reconsidered stops the harm before it 
happens, where as the adverse actions draft says two things: 1) monitor and fix 
the harm after it has happened, and 2) RPs should be smarter. Setting aside the 
hand-waving and lack of a concrete solution, these are not comparable proposals.

-andy
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[sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-validation-signaling-07.txt

2015-11-12 Thread internet-drafts

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of 
the IETF.

Title   : BGP Prefix Origin Validation State Extended Community
Authors : Pradosh Mohapatra
  Keyur Patel
  John Scudder
  Dave Ward
  Randy Bush
Filename: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-validation-signaling-07.txt
Pages   : 5
Date: 2015-11-12

Abstract:
   This document defines a new BGP opaque extended community to carry
   the origination AS validation state inside an autonomous system.
   IBGP speakers that receive this validation state can configure local
   policies allowing it to influence their decision process.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-origin-validation-signaling/

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-origin-validation-signaling-07

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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-origin-validation-signaling-07


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