Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-15 Thread Suman Karumuri

Having your moniter lower than the line of sight prevents this and
improves blinking. This is how i cured my dry eye.

-Suman


Also it is good to think of conciously blinking to rewet the eye. In
front of computer screens people blink three times less often than off
screen (and even less when constantly reading one text). That causes
eyes to dry out. They fatigue and you get headaches. Since one tends to
forget this I also use every now and then eye drops which contain only a
saline solution (lachrymal liquids) to counter this.

-b




Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-11 Thread Bernhard Krieger

ashok wrote:


For a while now I have been reading scanned / digital books on a 
laptop screen.


Some of these books are out of print nowadays (or otherwise hideously 
expensive to purchase
in printed form).  

Even after setting the glare and contrast factors to a comfortably low 
intensity, i get severe
headaches after reading text from a screen for extended periods of 
time  (its not my

eye sight - i got that checked )

Any suggestions for more comfortable alternatives? 



Also it is good to think of conciously blinking to rewet the eye. In 
front of computer screens people blink three times less often than off 
screen (and even less when constantly reading one text). That causes 
eyes to dry out. They fatigue and you get headaches. Since one tends to 
forget this I also use every now and then eye drops which contain only a 
saline solution (lachrymal liquids) to counter this.


-b



Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-11 Thread Dave Long

Listening is easier than reading :-).


Is it possible to set the speech synth rate to "auctioneer"?  I had 
tried this several years ago but gave up on it because listening is 
significantly, even annoyingly, slower than reading.


-Dave

(the text above takes about 9 seconds with the default Mac TTS)




Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-11 Thread Abhishek Hazra
>>apparently borges was also blind, and never learnt braille.
Borges was not exactly born blind..though he had eyesight problem all along...his sight detoriated over the years till he was totally blind...and he was actually a librarian twice...once as a junior librarian and later after the change of the Peron regime, the director of the national library of argentina...
On 8/11/06, ashok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

(just tested the ipod reader thingit
seems to work ! the only minor glitch is the formatting of 
the text is a bit offbut that is
probably because of the )


sastry wrote on 08/11/2006 10:32:54 AM:
> (at the oldest). After that your  eyesight starts playing up
and you start 
> looking for bigger and bigger text (eg one alphabet per screenful)
or when 
> you get to my age - braille starts getting more and more attractive.
> 

i had a physics tutor during my schooldays
who was partially blind.  we would sit in a darkened 
room, and and ask us to read out the
lessons and questions by turn. all explanations and 
answers were verbalized.

he was so good at it, he could work
out solutions to mathematical equations in his head. 
certain sounds aggravated him, like
the clicking of a ball point pen.   soon, ball point 
pens were completely forbidden during
his sessions.    

on some evenings, when i reached his
house, he would be seated on a recliner in the 
verandah, and a  young girl from
the neighborhood would be reading a chapter out to him 
from a withered novel authored by someone
called jorge luis borges.   

many years later,  in an airline
bookshop i found a book by borges, and out of curiousity 
began reading it.  there was a
brief bio at the beginning of the book -- apparently borges 
was also blind, and never learnt braille.
-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -does the frog know it has a latin name?- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-11 Thread ashok

(just tested the ipod reader thingit
seems to work ! the only minor glitch is the formatting of 
the text is a bit offbut that is
probably because of the )


sastry wrote on 08/11/2006 10:32:54 AM:
> (at the oldest). After that your  eyesight starts playing up
and you start 
> looking for bigger and bigger text (eg one alphabet per screenful)
or when 
> you get to my age - braille starts getting more and more attractive.
> 

i had a physics tutor during my schooldays
who was partially blind.  we would sit in a darkened 
room, and and ask us to read out the
lessons and questions by turn. all explanations and 
answers were verbalized.

he was so good at it, he could work
out solutions to mathematical equations in his head. 
certain sounds aggravated him, like
the clicking of a ball point pen.   soon, ball point 
pens were completely forbidden during
his sessions.    

on some evenings, when i reached his
house, he would be seated on a recliner in the 
verandah, and a  young girl from
the neighborhood would be reading a chapter out to him 
from a withered novel authored by someone
called jorge luis borges.   

many years later,  in an airline
bookshop i found a book by borges, and out of curiousity 
began reading it.  there was a
brief bio at the beginning of the book -- apparently borges 
was also blind, and never learnt braille.

Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-11 Thread ashok

Hmmma google revealed that this
is possible by converting a text e-book to an ipod note..
Should try this

Srini Ramakrishnan wrote on 08/11/2006 07:01:14 AM:
> Has anyone used their iPods for reading a book? Would that be any
better?
> 
> Cheeni
> 


Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-11 Thread sastry
On Fri August 11 2006 9:31 am, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> I used to use a Palm Tungsten device and plucker or PDBreader, but the
> phone is much easier to hold.

One sound idea in this connection would be NOT to grow any older than 30 years 
(at the oldest). After that your  eyesight starts playing up and you start 
looking for bigger and bigger text (eg one alphabet per screenful) or when 
you get to my age - braille starts getting more and more attractive.

I am in the market for  a PDA as big as  a chair and as light as a pen and 
which fits into my shirt pocket.

shiv




Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan

On 8/10/06, sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]

> Any suggestions for more comfortable alternatives?

It's your neck

You cannot move a laptop around like you move a book and it's probably your
neck muscles that are playing up.

Get a laptop that weighs 200 grams that you can hold up like a book and read
in weird positions and from book-like angles.


I use my Nokia 6600, which comes with a nice ebook reader - Mobipocket
that reads PDB files, but not plain text. I usually use txt2pdb to
convert the files to Palm DB format.

I used to use a Palm Tungsten device and plucker or PDBreader, but the
phone is much easier to hold. I've read some pretty lengthy books
(1000+ pages) on the phone with no side effects, but it's probably not
a good idea to stare at the screen for long intervals in low ambient
light conditions.

Has anyone used their iPods for reading a book? Would that be any better?

Cheeni



Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread sastry
On Thu August 10 2006 3:44 pm, ashok wrote:
>  i get severe
> headaches after reading text from a screen for extended periods of time
> (its not my
> eye sight - i got that checked )
>
> Any suggestions for more comfortable alternatives?

It's your neck

You cannot move a laptop around like you move a book and it's probably your 
neck muscles that are playing up.

Get a laptop that weighs 200 grams that you can hold up like a book and read 
in weird positions and from book-like angles.

shiv




Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Biju Chacko

On 10/08/06, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 2006-08-10 18:41:35 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> You can get Carl-Zeiss lenses with anti-glare coating.

My plain old non-Carl Zeiss lenses from Lawrence & Mayo's also have an
anti-reflective coating (I've had it for many years, and I like it). I
gather you can get coated lenses from many other opticians too.


Yup. Anti glare adds about Rs500 to the cost of the lenses, IIRC. Mine
are anti glare too and some regular brand I guess.

-- b



Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-08-10 18:41:35 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> You can get Carl-Zeiss lenses with anti-glare coating.

My plain old non-Carl Zeiss lenses from Lawrence & Mayo's also have an
anti-reflective coating (I've had it for many years, and I like it). I
gather you can get coated lenses from many other opticians too.

-- ams



Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Vinayak Hegde

On 8/10/06, ashok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


i tried wearing anti-glare spectaclesbut they are not so comfortable,
and a bit heavy
on the nose...


You can get Carl-Zeiss lenses with anti-glare coating. These are like
normal lenses and not like anti-glare clip-ons which are cumbersome.
I am assuming that you are in India. These Carl-Zeiss lenses are
available only in some optician outlets as of now.

-- Vinayak



Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Ashish Gulhati


On 10-Aug-06, at 11:14 AM, ashok wrote:


Any suggestions for more comfortable alternatives?


Check out

http://tinyurl.com/kywqe

and

http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad

Cheers

#!




Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread ashok

i tried wearing anti-glare spectaclesbut
they are not so comfortable, and a bit heavy
on the nose...

Yes...most of it is gutenberg text or in other cases
PDF
I do like your suggestion of using vim white on black
text
> What format are these ? I used to read some text
downloaded from
> Gutenberg in vim with white letters on black background. I prefered

Didnt think of thisthanks...will give it a try!

> 
> Another alternative is to use Festival[1] text to speech software
to
> read out text. Listening is easier than reading :-). I used to filter
> [1] http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/download.html
> 


Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Vinayak Hegde

On 8/10/06, ashok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Even after setting the glare and contrast factors to a comfortably low
intensity, i get severe
headaches after reading text from a screen for extended periods of time
(its not my
eye sight - i got that checked )

Any suggestions for more comfortable alternatives?


What format are these ? I used to read some text downloaded from
Gutenberg in vim with white letters on black background. I prefered
this to the default (black text on white background) of other text
editors.

Another alternative is to use Festival[1] text to speech software to
read out text. Listening is easier than reading :-). I used to filter
mail from some people and get festival to read out those mails to
me sometime back. Useful when you are working.

-- Vinayak
[1] http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/download.html



Re: [silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread Supriya Nair
How about anti-glare glasses, which most opticians should be able to provide you with? They helped me a great deal. I also have an anti-glare screen, which obviously isn't as readily attainable as the specs, but the specs alone should really make a difference.
Supriya.On 8/10/06, ashok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For a while now I have been reading
scanned / digital books on a laptop screen.

Some of these books are out of print
nowadays (or otherwise hideously expensive to purchase 
in printed form).  

Even after setting the glare and contrast
factors to a comfortably low intensity, i get severe 
headaches after reading text from a
screen for extended periods of time  (its not my 
eye sight - i got that checked )

Any suggestions for more comfortable
alternatives?
-- We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time.-- T S Eliot (Little Gidding V)



[silk] reading scanned/digital text....

2006-08-10 Thread ashok

For a while now I have been reading
scanned / digital books on a laptop screen.

Some of these books are out of print
nowadays (or otherwise hideously expensive to purchase 
in printed form).  

Even after setting the glare and contrast
factors to a comfortably low intensity, i get severe 
headaches after reading text from a
screen for extended periods of time  (its not my 
eye sight - i got that checked )

Any suggestions for more comfortable
alternatives?