Re: [silk] You farted - was Wikipedia

2007-12-12 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda

On 11-Dec-07, at 7:13 PM, shiv sastry wrote:

Too late. You're hopping mad now :D and I am not playing your game.  
Once

again, thanks but no thanks.


You may have heard of this new game. It's called bait the skeptic.  
Here's how it works:


Person A, our hero, makes an exaggerated claim.

Person B, the skeptic, demands to know the basis of this claim.

Person A narrates the details of the farting game and claims he's  
been baited.


Person B reiterates that he merely wants the basis of the claim.

Person A insists he will not fall for the bait, laments on the poor  
quality of research in general, and effectively comes out having  
painted person B as the villain.


You win, Shiv.




Re: [silk] You farted - was Wikipedia

2007-12-11 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-12-11 14:40:20 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  So you're saying that you're too cheap to get a real survey done,
  but expect to be taken seriously on facts you admit to making up
  yourself.
 
 If that is not an ad homimen I don't know what is.

It's not ad hominem. If he'd said you're a right-wing Hindu murderer,
so the results of your study are wrong, it would have been ad hominem.
But he's saying you have no data to substantiate your argument. That he
says you're cheap may be a nasty dig, but it's not ad hominem.

Really, ad hominem is a very specialised description. Every instance
of someone being nasty certainly doesn't qualify.

 Jace has just played the you farted game on me. Thanks, but no
 thanks.

Two can play at that game:

 I have not been so lucky and have often been branded a right wing RSS
 supporter, which makes me a murderer of Christians.

That makes you a murderer of Christians only insofar as it allows you
to exaggerate what you perceive as a bias against anyone who identifies
themselves as Hindu. Or do you think Thaths really can't or doesn't see
any distinction between you and the people who burned Graham Staines?

-- ams



Re: [silk] You farted - was Wikipedia

2007-12-11 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda

On 11-Dec-07, at 2:40 PM, shiv sastry wrote:

Jace has just played the you farted game on me. Thanks, but no  
thanks.


Thanks for the nice backdrop, Shiv. As I see it, I'm commenting on  
the emperor's new clothes.


Where's your research data?




Re: [silk] You farted - was Wikipedia

2007-12-11 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 11 Dec 2007 3:13 pm, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
 On 11-Dec-07, at 2:40 PM, shiv sastry wrote:
  Jace has just played the you farted game on me. Thanks, but no
  thanks.

 Thanks for the nice backdrop, Shiv. As I see it, I'm commenting on
 the emperor's new clothes.

 Where's your research data?

Too late. You're hopping mad now :D and I am not playing your game. Once 
again, thanks but no thanks. 

shiv



Re: [silk] You farted - was Wikipedia

2007-12-11 Thread shiv sastry

On Tuesday 11 Dec 2007 3:25 pm, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:

 It's not ad hominem. If he'd said you're a right-wing Hindu murderer,
 so the results of your study are wrong, it would have been ad hominem.
 But he's saying you have no data to substantiate your argument. That he
 says you're cheap may be a nasty dig, but it's not ad hominem.

Everyone is entitled to his view. You have yours. I have mine.

 That makes you a murderer of Christians only insofar as it allows you
 to exaggerate what you perceive as a bias against anyone who identifies
 themselves as Hindu. Or do you think Thaths really can't or doesn't see
 any distinction between you and the people who burned Graham Staines?

Cut the boring rhetoric boss. I have no idea what Thaths thinks. But I can see 
that Thaths is a decent guy.


shiv



Re: [silk] You farted - was Wikipedia

2007-12-11 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-12-11 19:21:51 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cut the boring rhetoric boss.

OK.

-- ams