Resolution of the light microscope
I have noticed some discussion about using microscopy to determine particle size of CS. I would like to add this information in case it has not been discussed in the past. The resolution of a light microscope is limited by the wavelength of light and can be determined roughly by the following formula: R = (2)(wavelength)/(2)(numerical aperture) R is the resolution (i.e., minimum size that can be resolved visually) To find the resolution of a light microscope we can use the following values: Numerical aperture = 1.3 (approximate value of the highest quality high power objectives) wavelength of green light = 0.5 microns Then the equation becomes: R = (2)(0.5 microns)/(2)(1.3) R = 1/2.6 or approximately 0.5 microns. In other words, the smallest particle that can be clearly seen in a light microscope should be about 0.5 microns in diameter. Anything smaller than this can not be measured directly as I know from personal experience. There are some other light microscopy methods that can be used to estimate size below the limit of resolution and these are based on light scattering methods. A dark field microscope could be useful in this case (I have seen some discussion on this). I have no extensive experience with these methods. I happen to have a good light microscope and would be willing to help you with your research efforts if you would like. I have phase contrast and dark field condensers and a Sony video camera and monitor. I can also feed the image into my computer to capture digital images. Btw, you can convert a regular microscope condenser to dark field by fitting a disc stop of appropriate size to the condenser. I could supply more info on this to anyone interested. You could call this an economy dark field condenser. I have also used electron microscopes to a limited extent. I have noticed some talk about obtaining an electron microscope. It has been some years since I have used one, but the instruments I have used were very expensive. Unless recent breakthroughs in electronics have yielded significant price changes in electron microscopes, I doubt that it would be possible for this group to obtain one. I think your best bet is to contract the work out, which would be much more cost effective. If I can be of any further help I would be glad to participate in your research efforts. I have a Ph.D. in soil microbiology and have conducted research on symbiotic bacteria of agricultural significance. Unfortunately, I have no experience with bacteria that are pathogenic to humans. Jeff La Favre -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Do any of us live close enough together to meet compare mfg devices?
I'm a fairly reasonable distance from you. I will email you my town phone #. My husband made the device, so it'd be best if he presents it. Also, I'm soon to order a Motherlode; it's$100 more than I expected though! Wish I had a job of my own to pay for this expensive toy. Info on the motherlode can be found at http://www.register.com/motherlode/index.htm . (I'm not advertising; just curious about what others think about this device.) Sincerely, Nancy B. || bernt...@altavista.net ch...@altavista.net Home schoolers: CHEAP used books http://www.oikourgos.com/cheap Oikos Interactive Family Journal http://www.oikourgos.com/oikos Lyme Disease info: http://www.oikourgos.com/trisha || -Original Message- From: Robert L. Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com To: silver silver silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 8:40 AM Subject: Do any of us live close enough together to meet compare mfg devices? Hi List, I've been out of touch for a while. Sorry. I'm a banker and have a loan that is requiring some heavy duty attention grimace. I've followed up with my contact regarding the lab that would do a microbial challenge test (now affectionately known as an MCT on this list), but I don't have any new information yet. I do think that we need to define a standard sample to be tested and am pleased with what I've been reading about progress on this front. So far, I'm up to July 20th messages, so obviously I'm still a week behind. The group moves so fast that I don't know what I'm missing at the moment. I'm wondering if it might be possible for some of us to get together to work on CS. We could compare our devices and share ideas. Most of all, we could simultaneously make a bunch of batches at the same time with similar conditions (same distilled water, etc.) and compare our results. It is simply a logistical question regarding physical location. I live in Wilton, CT (south west corner of CT) and work in New York City. Also, while I'm behind on my e-mail, I haven't seen a source for pure silver wire. Marsha, I know you gave me one once, could you post that again? I think it was for .999 fine. I would also like to go for the . fine. Bob Wells -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
If you can't open this message, please forward it back to me.
I've been having trouble with some messages not being readable by members of the list. I've solved it by reading my mail in Lotus Notes and sending mail from Netscape. However, I'm trying to understand why the problem occurs in the first place. Therefore, if you can read this, just ignore it. Thanks, Bob Wells
Re: CS research
From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS research Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:09:54 -0400 Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com -Original Message- From: jein...@troi.csw.net jein...@troi.csw.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:51 PM Subject: CS research which he used his pulsing CS maker with. It really looked a bit different than most I have seen. It was very active, and the particles were all different colors. The particle size may have been a bit big, but I won't say for sure until I see more CS. It really looked good in the jar!!! It was a Stenulson pulsing CS maker that created the stuff I whomped my scalp with last week. That stuff certainly is effective, whatever else it is! Anything more you learn about it, I sure would like to know, Jim. Whitney Whitney, Thanks for this post. This CS looked somewhat different than any I have looked at, but I feel that may be good. I am glad you have had a good experience with it. That is part of our research here. It doesn't matter what it looks like, or how it was made, if it doesn't work! Now if we can just figure out what the good stuff looks like and how to make it everytime, well be cooking!!! Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: ppm measurement techniques?
Hi, What a mind boggling exploration here! So many genius' here and with just a hair of an invite we get a very good education. Of course when your brain looks like fried eggs in a skillet, or was that your brain on drugs?? Well anyway it is stimulating and then the decisions, darn don't they always just pop up when you think you have everything under wraps(grinning) Oh well, just wanted to add that unless the universe has changed the measurements again, there are 10 drops(minums) to a cc (ml) or 15 drops can be used according to your syringes calibration and the formula you are undertaking to convert. Then of course there are 30cc's to an ounce. I just bought a homeopathic formula which said one ounce (29cc's), so it would seem that somewhere there is a conversion table that might actually says there are 29cc's to an ounce. The accepted has been 30cc's but the only thing constant in life is change. Does that mean the truth is a lie? And what do all these changes do to the world of Physics for heavens sake? I'm still making silver and still most grateful to the compassionate care I have received from the people on this list! Found out that I cannot make silver in distilled room temperature water that stays in solution. All things being equal, the same 27 volts with a light in line and over 1 hour with losts of sludge, then filtered-stayed clear as water and tested on TDL as 14 ppm. Turned golden in the darkened jar, then turned to clear with black sludge on the bottom so it appears I made an unstable colloid that turned out to be silver oxide, nasty stuff! I didn't feel well so I was cheating on my usual heating methodology to see. Was pleased at first, now I wonder what you most intelligent people can surmise from this and possibly help explain this phenomena to me. Remembering of course the initial statement about my brain. Good silvering to you-all(grin)(big grin) Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Money...
M. G. Devour wrote: Hi all, Just so everyone understands, the request for contributions you got from Reid is one that I have approved of. He and Jim Einert are getting set up to be our resident microscopists and are going to be of great value to the whole program. Would it be helpful if their address's were made known? I don't think I ever seen them. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Research on CS
Jeff La Favre wrote: ... I wonder if there should be an effort to bring in individuals who do medical research for a living. ... I can't help feeling that CS will never be used widely unless its effectiveness is established by the medical community. The medical community does use CS, of some sort, on burn victims. I was just talking to a fellow last week whose son was badly burned. He said they treated him with a substance containing silver. Other than that he did not realize that silver could be used in other areas. He was really impressed that such a bad burn could be healed so quick. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
MCT Update 7/29 AM
Here is the latest pledge update: Bob Leel...@fbtc.net$20.00 Tom Young tyo...@esslink.com $20.00 Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net $20.00 Paul Bembower bembo...@fastrans.net$20.00 M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net $20.00 Nick Ferraro trans...@aol.com $50.00 Sandi swoinow...@plix.com $50.00 Michael Mahoneymmaho...@eoni.com$20.00 Bill VSbill...@cheerful.com $20.00 Jerry WineBrenner win...@aol.com $20.00 Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com $20.00 D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net$10.00 Fidget fid...@warwick.net $10.00 Robert Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com $50.00 George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org $20.00 W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net$10.00 Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net $10.00 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net $20.00 Dameon likow...@earthlink.net $20.00 Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com$20.00 George george.bere...@nashville.com $20.00 George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp $50.00 Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net$50.00 Jeff Lafavre jeff_lafa...@ameritech.net $20.00 Total to Date $590.00
MCT Over the Top - pledge control
I see that Doug has nominated me to maintain the list of commitments going forward. I liked it better when he was doing it, but OK, I'll keep and publish the list from today on. I will also contact people once we have an agreed upon lab test and protocol. As near as I can tell, the last update Doug provided, as of Fri 7/24 was as follows: For now the fund stands as follows: Bob Leel...@fbtc.net - $20.00 Tom Young tyo...@esslink.com - $20.00 Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net - $20.00 Paul Bembower bembo...@fastrans.net - $20.00 M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net - $20.00 Nick Ferraro trans...@aol.com - $50.00 Sandi swoinow...@plix.com - $50.00 Michael Mahoneymmaho...@eoni.com - $20.00 Bill VSbill...@cheerful.com - $20.00 Jerry WineBrenner win...@aol.com - $20.00 Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com - $20.00 D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net - $10.00 Fidget fid...@warwick.net - $10.00 Robert Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com - $50.00 George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org - $20.00 W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net - $10.00 Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net - $10.00 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net - $20.00 Dameon likow...@earthlink.net - $20.00 Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com - $20.00 George george.bere...@nashville.com - $20.00 George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp - $50.00 Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net - $50.00 ___ Total to Date $ 570.00 If there are other updates, I'll add them when I get through these e-mails. Bob Wells
Do any of us live close enough together to meet compare mfg devices?
Hi List, I've been out of touch for a while. Sorry. I'm a banker and have a loan that is requiring some heavy duty attention grimace. I've followed up with my contact regarding the lab that would do a microbial challenge test (now affectionately known as an MCT on this list), but I don't have any new information yet. I do think that we need to define a standard sample to be tested and am pleased with what I've been reading about progress on this front. So far, I'm up to July 20th messages, so obviously I'm still a week behind. The group moves so fast that I don't know what I'm missing at the moment. I'm wondering if it might be possible for some of us to get together to work on CS. We could compare our devices and share ideas. Most of all, we could simultaneously make a bunch of batches at the same time with similar conditions (same distilled water, etc.) and compare our results. It is simply a logistical question regarding physical location. I live in Wilton, CT (south west corner of CT) and work in New York City. Also, while I'm behind on my e-mail, I haven't seen a source for pure silver wire. Marsha, I know you gave me one once, could you post that again? I think it was for .999 fine. I would also like to go for the . fine. Bob Wells
Re: CS research
Hi List, I tried to do an experiment with CS and acidophilus between Thursday and Saturday. I put equal amounts of CS and distilled water in one small cup, and equal parts of CS and acidophilus in two others. One was commercial CS and one was home-made. I thought I would let them set for 2 days, and see if I could kill any of the good bacteria. Well, they all dried up, so I will have to put it in a closed container. I hope to try this again soon, with closed containers. I will let you know how it goes. I do want to invite anyone who makes their own CS to send me a small sample so I can compare different batches. Please let me know how you made it. I feel I need to see a lot more CS, both home-made and commercial, before I can learn what I am seeing. I don't really know what good and bad CS look like, so I don't have anything to judge the different batches I am looking at. I will continue to do the research as I get time. About two or three months ago I took the time to research cameras and video capturing equipment for Jim. We were asking for donations at the time and got a couple. Not enough though to cover the price of the equipment. At the time I had a microscope with a camera and didn't need one. So I went ahead, charged all the parts on my credit card and sent the finished setup I put together to Jim. The friend that loaned me his m-scope needed it back to monitor a persons blood and I had to let it go. For the work that I do a $30 m-scope does the job BUT I can't look through the eye piece for very long or that eye will go dim. It stays that way for several days. So I desperately need a camera so I can monitor my blood and continue my research. I could charge another camera to replace the one that I sent Jim but I can't afford any higher payments on my card. I'm just barely making them now. Let's use a little common since here. Someone posted they needed $210 to do disk testing to see what the CS would kill. Last count I saw there's $500 in that fund. There are several different designs of CS makers so will that $210 cover the test for every design? I doubt it!!! So what are the alternitives? Part of the answer to that is at the top of the page. The other part is I'll donate some of my time when I get a camera. Game plan: 1: Find out what maker makes the best killing CS. 2: Check partical size and PPM. 3: Run the disk test for killing ability. 4: Design and prototype a circuit, and develop a standard so that every batch is the same. So I'm begging all of you for the last time. Help Jim, in turn you help me, and Jim and I together will help you. Jim still owes me $210. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: ppm measurement techniques?
Great and creative ways to seperate the silver from water, but why not just weigh the solution? 1 litre of pure water weighs 1 Kg so anything over 1000gms is silver. Better yet! You could weigh the electrodes before and after(dried). Anybody got any ideas on how to build a scale sensitive enough to register the small amounts? Is a beam type scale practical? Just a couple thoughts. Regards...Frank M. G. Devour wrote: We could save some money and get quicker results if some of us could do our own ppm testing. Here's a couple of ideas I'd like to discuss and, hopefully, refine enough to make work. The first idea is to evaporate a quantity of CS to be tested, say 100 ml (1/10th of a liter), and weigh the residue. 100 ml of a 20 ppm CS will leave 2 milligrams of residue. To get resolution to 1 ppm would require sensitivity to 1/10th of a milligram. So, ideally, you'll need access to an analytic balance sensitive to tenths of milligrams. This is a cut above your most common lab balances which will only handle milligrams. This type will typically have the measuring pan in a glass enclosure to stop drafts from effecting it. Otherwise you'd have to evaporate a much larger sample. I see putting the CS in a bag, bottle or funnel and allowing it to drip slowly onto a piece of absorbent paper. The paper would be held with clips over a heatlamp or hot air blower to evaporate the water. If you can get hold of some IV drip fittings you'd have the ideal setup, but I assume we could kludge up something with more common materials as well. The paper would need to be weighed before and after, and the results would be the difference between the weights. Now, right off, there are problems with this method. One is taking care that body oils and dust don't contaminate the paper and cause it to weigh more than it is supposed to. You can take care to handle the paper with gloves or tweezers, and perhaps enclose everything to minimize accumulation of dust. Another problem is knowing the exact state the silver is in when you're weighing it. Is it pure silver? Silver oxide? We could try using a few drops of nitric acid to digest the silver to form silver nitrate, which is one of the few silver compounds that is readily soluble in water. Now of course, we'd have to find out how the left over acid reacted with the paper. It would be easy to do a test with just the nitric acid in distilled water, and see how much weight the paper gained, if any. If all the nitrate hangs around then we *might* just be able to subtract it out and call the balance silver. The chemistry could prove to be more complicated, however. Which brings us to the *other* possibility, which is an entirely chemical assay that uses pH or some other characteristic with reagents and an indicator to standardize and visualize the reaction and allow you to measure the silver present by quantity required. If anyone knows a chemist who could help us with that it could save us a lot of effort. So here are some ideas. If I've convinced you an in-house ppm test would be useful, I hope you'll help me get one of these ideas working, or suggest another. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Off topic (chorella)
I heard the same one. I also wondered if it was possible to do it at home. If you find out let me/us know. Regards...Frank Harvey Flatbush wrote: Hi List, Is there anyone on the list that knows how to grow their own Chlorella as mentioned by Ed Dames on the Art Bell talk show several months ago? Thanks much, Harvey Harvey Flatbush ha...@iomet.com http://www.iomet.com Ione, Washington -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Drugs broadcasted
hi, You are both right to a certain extent about the antibiotics thing. Think about this. When I was tested for chemicals at the EHC in Dallas they found traces of compounds of drugs my patients were having IV. i bathed these patients with no gloves, and did other things besides handling the drugs which I did with sterile technique. When I was in the hospital with kidney infection in 1989, very sick I opened my eyes one morning as the nurse was piggy backing the antibiotic and found her running the air and the an\tibiotic out of the tubing onto the carpeted floor---and we don't know how these resistant strains came about? Poo\r technique plain and simple. Plus of course indescriminate usage therof. I must say however that I just had my life saved by antibiotics and that the bug was sensitive to alot of drugs which made me very happy that I had not taken antibiotics for every little thing--praise God!!! Then there is Cathy, am ex pediatric oncology nurse friend of mine who wound up with all the chemo in her body from carrying the babies around in her arms, diapers and other excretion including breathing. she is still pretty sick as it wiped out her immune system and she lost tolerance for all foods and is on parenteral feedings to live--talk about expensive and cumbersome and so forth. Dr. Rea at the EHC in Dallas said that if I wanted to put perfume on my skin I might as well take a teaspoonful because it is absorbed that easily. Ever wonder why you smell funny after alot of garlic??? Sort of the opposite. Then there are morphine and fentenyl patches on the skin used for analgesia and pain control in painful and chronic and fatal diseases--goes right into the bloodstream from the skin and walla pain relief. These are really good for people who also have an absorption problem. WHen I breathe diesel exhaust even on the hiway behind a big rig and it gets into the car I really get bright and awake, and usually have a siezure of some sort with in a few hours or minutes unless I can block the whole thing with a shot or drops. So if you are around someone on high enough dosages of antibiotics and inhale the same air touch their skin like hugging, bathing, washing their clothes and so forth, depending on the integrity of their system and yours there is absolutely the chance of experiencing at least some of the substance. ] Illustration was the woman whose husband was accidently dipped in dioxin and was very sick with the flu like symptoms, slept together and the next day he died and she barely lived in renal failure and multiple system failure and is now a chemically sensitive person who has to be hooked to IV's constantly with magnesium and calcium to stop her siezures as drugs don't work--make her worse./ Well I can go on and on of course but you get the picture. Lots of \factors, but it seems all people are becoming a bit immune stressed with the constant bombardment of chemicals--exhaust and so forth just happening in normal life. Even dishwasher detergent is hazardous to your health. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: OFF TOPIC
Does anyone know where I could find a service to send out some e-mails at a reasonable price? I need to send 1000 of them. Thnx Candace Do a search for bulk e-mail there are all kinds of them out there. Be carefull if your targeting people that didn't request the e-mail. There was a guy here in town (I'll name no names) that did a bulk mail and ticked off a bunch of people. They ganged up and flooded his server. His provider told him that he almost lost his connection because of that mistake. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
