CSFDA policy
The FDA has issued a Final Rule declaring that all over-the-counter (OTC) drug products containing colloidal silver or silver salts are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded... http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html Interesting isn't it, how quick they are to protect us from ourselves, while leaving our Service men and women twisting in the wind... In 1985, the FDA began reviewing the anthrax vaccine's manufacturing process to ensure it complied with federal rules for drugs. Recently, the FDA conceded to two Connecticut Air Force Reserve pilots that the review was never completed... http://www.ngwrc.org/article.asp?id=155 With friends like these... jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAbout:Lime, Herx and Hot SoakingVapor pressure of Hg
That's the way I read it also. Not surprising really as Mercury melts at -38degC, but amalgam is solid. Ivan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] I think I just figured out the 10-8. They mean 10^-8 (10 raised to the -8 power), or .0001. That is much lower than the vapor pressure of mercury at that temperature alone, so apparently the silver lowers the vapor pressure of the mercury significantly (this is similar to adding salt to water will raise the boiling point by lowering it's vapor pressure as well). Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFw: HEALlix Newsletter Vol 15
I don't think that is correct. Fulvic acid (a type of humic acid) is a very powerful solvent and clathrating (chelating) substance. It surrounds and transports mineral ions, not colloids. I have reservations about ingesting fulvic acid, as it has been implicated in serious disease, from liver to bone. There are thousands of different FAs, depending upon the ground in which they are found. Some are likely to be beneficial, but how can one tell. I have written of my FA concerns in the past on this list and on the Yahoo list. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jannette McKoy-Abel [mailto:je...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 5:41 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFw: HEALlix Newsletter Vol 15 New Page 1Ron, From what I've read on the website, it appears that this product is a fulvic acid/silver combination. I think that the silver is cs, as all the other minerals in fulvic acid are colloidal - to me it's just a marketting ploy to supposedly improve thier product. I think this product is in direct competition with Sea Silver, and disasociation from Colloidal Silver. Just MHO! Jannette -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlue Senator Candidate...
Heck, all you'd have to do to make somebody look really wierd with my el-cheapo digital camera is take a shot in daylight, tungsten light, or flourescent light, and have the color balance set to something different. Always happens by accident. At least some combinations will turn things overwhelmingly blue... Not tampered with my *ss. Be well, Mike D. Stan does have a copy of a video tape recording of the event, and he states that the blue is not pronounced in the video. I don't know if the difference has to do with the flash used on the camera, the digital rendering, the light settings, the color balancing, or all of the above... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFAO Marshall, Thanks re Please help - never been so sick
Kevin wrote this, but a problem with his mailer caused it to bounce to me. In deference to his present state of health, I forward it for him. Good luck, sir! Mike D. --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:32:13 -0700 From: lymegladia...@btinternet.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: FAO Marshall, Thanks re Please help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Hi Marshall, Thanks to you and all who replied. I have reduced the dosage to almost nil and will increase VERY slowly. Have to admit Marshall, this is like being in hell - the toxins are very acidic and cause HUGH INFLAMATORY REACTIONS which can be fatal. Being a doctor does not help, they don't have a clue about this illness or thesuffering it causes. Thanks for the advice. Best of Health Kevin, England [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
Forwarded on behalf of Nancy because, yes, it did come from a non-subscribed address... M. --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:22:40 -0700 From: Nancy Winiecki hemna...@yahoo.com Subject: CS Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water To:silver-list@eskimo.com Back in my Prevention Magazine days 1968-1978 I read that heart disease is much higher in areas with low levels of Calcium and Magnesium in the water. Ca and Mg cause the water to be hard. I know I feel really good after soaking in a mineral spring, also. For what it's worth. I'm in California waiting for my daughter-in-law to have my first grandchild, but I usually live in Washington state. This is not my usual email address, so perhaps it won't get recognized as a member. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnidentified subject!
Linda writes: I'm not following the thread, and the ones I have opened to try to see if I'm interested in the topic have been too cryptic for me to figure out what you're talking about.. Hehe. I'm sure the nature of reality thread is starting to wind down, Linda. nudge, nudge, wink, wink The Unidentified subject! thing happens constantly on lists of this sort. It's silly and annoying... and sadly inevitable. sigh Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnidentified subject!
In a message dated 10/24/02 5:11:01 PM Central Daylight Time, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: Can somebody who is following this thread please change the subject line to something that others can identify and open or delete, as desired. unidentified subject is not very useful. Thank you in advance Linda Ellis You had your chance. Why does always fall to somebody else? I'm not following the thread, and the ones I have opened to try to see if I'm interested in the topic have been too cryptic for me to figure out what you're talking about.. Linda
CS(no subject)
George Allen, Washington, D.C.
CSMarshalee?
Hi Marshalee, I was wondering if you could send me the directions for making cs with batteries. I have a friend on another list that wants and needs to know how to make it. I'm not sure if he can afford a generator so I wanted to send him the directions for making it with batteries. Thanks, Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhere We're From
Hi Listers, I'm now feeling like a slacker for not responding sooner. Chip Hoyle from Charlottesville, VA, USA Bill Missett wrote: Listers: Responses to the question were less than overwhelming -- only 70 of some 425 list members responded, only a 16 percent response. Listers from 10 nations -- Australia, Austria, Canada, England, Japan, Mexico, Nepal, New Zealand, Scotland, and the U.S. responded. Fifty listers were from various U.S. states. Mike, did you receive any off-list to add to this compilation? If so, you can send them to me, and I'll add them to the list. The weak response tells me the chances of forming a viable organization to promote the efficacy of CS from this list alone is unlikely. But at least we know where some of us are located, for whatever that's worth. Regards, Bill Missett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhere We're From
It was intended to induce guilt... - Original Message - From: Chip Hoyle cho...@hampsuites.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: CSWhere We're From Hi Listers, I'm now feeling like a slacker for not responding sooner. Chip Hoyle from Charlottesville, VA, USA Bill Missett wrote: Listers: Responses to the question were less than overwhelming -- only 70 of some 425 list members responded, only a 16 percent response. Listers from 10 nations -- Australia, Austria, Canada, England, Japan, Mexico, Nepal, New Zealand, Scotland, and the U.S. responded. Fifty listers were from various U.S. states. Mike, did you receive any off-list to add to this compilation? If so, you can send them to me, and I'll add them to the list. The weak response tells me the chances of forming a viable organization to promote the efficacy of CS from this list alone is unlikely. But at least we know where some of us are located, for whatever that's worth. Regards, Bill Missett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhere We're From
Lee Elder, Mountainair, New Mexico
Re: CSWhere We're From
sylvie hargraft, london, ontario, canada Original Message Follows From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhere We're From Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:24:39 -0500 It was intended to induce guilt... - Original Message - From: Chip Hoyle cho...@hampsuites.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: CSWhere We're From Hi Listers, I'm now feeling like a slacker for not responding sooner. Chip Hoyle from Charlottesville, VA, USA Bill Missett wrote: Listers: Responses to the question were less than overwhelming -- only 70 of some 425 list members responded, only a 16 percent response. Listers from 10 nations -- Australia, Austria, Canada, England, Japan, Mexico, Nepal, New Zealand, Scotland, and the U.S. responded. Fifty listers were from various U.S. states. Mike, did you receive any off-list to add to this compilation? If so, you can send them to me, and I'll add them to the list. The weak response tells me the chances of forming a viable organization to promote the efficacy of CS from this list alone is unlikely. But at least we know where some of us are located, for whatever that's worth. Regards, Bill Missett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
RE: CSBlue Senator Candidate...
I was a professional still, cine, and video photographer for about 20 years. It does not look like color temperature imbalance to me, but I only very briefly viewed the image. It could have been manipulated at any point in the chain of transmission. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: SilverMedicine.org [mailto:silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBlue Senator Candidate... Greetings, all... Although I swore I wouldn't bother Stan Jones, after reading an email response by silverfacts, I sent an email to Stan. Stan informed me that he wrote that the initial photographs may have been altered. After doing so, he contacted the photographer who took the particular shot in question. After speaking to the photographer, Stan states that he is convinced that the photos were not altered. The difference in different photos would thereby be attributed to either different lighting or digital rendering ( total light/color balance ). Kind Regards, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhere We're From
At 09:24 AM 10/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: It was intended to induce guilt... I though that was for VIP's, Dignitaries, and Yankees, not southern rednecks like me. Wayne Fugitt Jackson, MS, ... nearly, Actually Terry, MS, USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSIt means to change the subject line
It would be good to go ahead and open up all the ones, even with the subject lines you are not following, because most of the times the subjects lines do not get changed. Roxanne -Original Message- From: lindael...@aol.com [mailto:lindael...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUnidentified subject! In a message dated 10/24/02 5:11:01 PM Central Daylight Time, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: Can somebody who is following this thread please change the subject line to something that others can identify and open or delete, as desired. unidentified subject is not very useful. Thank you in advance Linda Ellis You had your chance. Why does always fall to somebody else? I'm not following the thread, and the ones I have opened to try to see if I'm interested in the topic have been too cryptic for me to figure out what you're talking about.. Linda
Re: CSWhere We're From
Craig Chamberlin Portland, OR -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHome Distilled Water Purity
To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CSWhere We're From
I too thought you were looking for non US members. Nancy Black Longwood, Fla. - Original Message - From: Chip Hoyle cho...@hampsuites.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: CSWhere We're From Hi Listers, I'm now feeling like a slacker for not responding sooner. Chip Hoyle from Charlottesville, VA, USA Bill Missett wrote: Listers: Responses to the question were less than overwhelming -- only 70 of some 425 list members responded, only a 16 percent response. Listers from 10 nations -- Australia, Austria, Canada, England, Japan, Mexico, Nepal, New Zealand, Scotland, and the U.S. responded. Fifty listers were from various U.S. states. Mike, did you receive any off-list to add to this compilation? If so, you can send them to me, and I'll add them to the list. The weak response tells me the chances of forming a viable organization to promote the efficacy of CS from this list alone is unlikely. But at least we know where some of us are located, for whatever that's worth. Regards, Bill Missett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHome Distilled Water Purity
1uS or even better bought from a chemist in UK - what they use to make up medicines - I think you'll call it a drug store! Regards Terry - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: Silver List Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: CSHome Distilled Water Purity To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul
CSRe: [CSHome Distilled Water Purity]
Hi Paul, I have a Megahome. I just tested 2 gal. I have had a few days I got a 0.4 on one and a 0.41 on the other, With the Hanna PWT. Yours Hank Paul Ladendorf paulldn...@yahoo.com wrote: - Attachment: MIME Type: multipart/alternative - To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHome Distilled Water Purity
I bought a used distiller from Ebay a few months ago. Since I dont own a PWT, I cant test my home distilled water for absolute conductivity, but I keep track of relative conductivity between batches by recording starting current (keeping all other variables the same). The starting current for batches made with my home distilled water isnt up to the same quality as the best store-bought DW, but Ive found that I can increase the quality of my home distilled water with a simple trick. My 10 year old Sear/Ecowater still only shuts off after the tank is completely dry. I speculated that some of the crap that remains behind early in the stills cycle winds up being carried along with the last little bit of water boiling in the still. I wanted to have my still shut off while there was about an inch of water left in the heating chamber. I use a common household lamp timer to do this. I monitored the stills cycle and determined that my still takes about 5 hours to process one gallon of tap water into DW. I set the lamp timer to turn on for 4 hours, then plug the still into the timer. I rotate the timer to the beginning of the on cycle (not necessary to set it to correct time of day) and the current to the still is automatically cut after 4 hours, leaving the last inch of water in the heating chamber. I just have to remember to come back within 24 hours and unplug the still from the timer, or else the still will switch on again. I have found that but doing this, my starting current (all other variables being equal) is about 30% lower than it is when making CS with DW made by letting the still run completely dry. And I dont need to clean scale from the still as frequently. Hope this helps someone. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTestimonial and a CS Generator Question
From: ldavis.aus...@vba.va.gov Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:01:55 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTestimonial and a CS Generator Question Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 04:02:30 -0700 My question is about CS generators. There's lots of conflicting information out there regarding homemade generators and those costing up to $600, size of the CS suspension, etc. Is there really that much fluctuation in quality is it salespitch? As Jannette said, check out silvergen.com, and specifically the SG6 I get very consistent results. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTestimonial and a CS Generator Question
I've been very happy with the one I bought here: http://www.silverpuppy.com/page1b.html Diane Jack Dayton wrote: From: ldavis.aus...@vba.va.gov Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:01:55 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTestimonial and a CS Generator Question Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 04:02:30 -0700 My question is about CS generators. There's lots of conflicting information out there regarding homemade generators and those costing up to $600, size of the CS suspension, etc. Is there really that much fluctuation in quality is it salespitch? As Jannette said, check out silvergen.com, and specifically the SG6 I get very consistent results. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: Paul McCartney + Measure 27: The Movie!
News Update From The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods -- Dear News Update Subscribers, Great news! Legendary musician Paul McCartney has endorsed Oregon's Measure 27 to require labeling on genetically engineered foods. He has even recorded a radio spot promoting the Yes on Measure 27 effort. You can hear the actual 30 second commercial featuring Paul McCartney if you have the Real Audio Player on your computer by going to the following link: http://www.voteyeson27.com/yeson27PAUL.rm If you would like to read the Press Release about Paul McCartney's endorsement and radio ad, go to: http://www.voteyeson27.com/mccartney.htm MEASURE 27: THE MOVIE! Friends of the Earth has facilitated the production of an entertaining and informative flash video about Oregon Measure 27. After you watch the flash movie, you can use the form on the same web page to send a suggestion to your friends to also watch the video. To watch the video, go to: http://www.voteyeson27.com/flash/index.html After you watch the flash video, you can send an instant e-mail out to eight of your friends inviting them to check out the flash film. This process is automated so you can quickly send out a second group of eight e-mails, and a third, and so on, until you let all your friends and family know about the online flash video. Naturally, voters who live in Oregon are by far the most important individuals to contact. But people throughout the United States and in other countries may be interesting in seeing the flash video about Measure 27. Let's see how many people we can get to watch the flash video. And these same folks may want to hear the Paul McCartney radio endorsement. Posted below are five articles about Oregon Measure 27. The first article is from Oregon Public Broadcasting Radio titled Measure 27 Gets Backed by A Beatle. The second article is an editorial from the University of Oregon Daily Emerald Newspaper endorsing Measure 27. The third article is from The Oregonian titled Measure 27's estimated cost varies widely. The fourth article is from the Statesman Journal titled Altered food labels a contentious measure and the last article is from Associated Press titled Food labels could reflect genetically altered crops. Craig Winters Executive Director The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods The Campaign PO Box 55699 Seattle, WA 98155 Tel: 425-771-4049 Fax: 603-825-5841 E-mail: mailto:la...@thecampaign.org Web Site: http://www.thecampaign.org Mission Statement: To create a national grassroots consumer campaign for the purpose of lobbying Congress and the President to pass legislation that will require the labeling of genetically engineered foods in the United States. *** Measure 27 Gets Backed by A Beatle Jeff Brady PORTLAND, OR 2002-10-24 (OPB Radio) - Backers of a measure to require labels on genetically engineered food have gotten a boost from Former Beatle Paul McCartney. He's recorded the group's first radio commercial, which started airing Thursday. McCartney's on a cell phone and the sound is kind of scratchy, but Measure 27's supporters are very excited to have the former Beatle on their side. Paul McCartney: Hi, this is Paul McCartney here and I'm calling to show my support for Yes on 27 the resolution to label genetically engineered food. McCartney was in Portland last week for a concert. He contacted some Measure 27 supporters who asked him to record the radio commercial. Paul McCartney: Back in Europe we have that choice. Our food is labeled and it hasn't increased any costs for the consumer or the farmer The ad will run on radio stations throughout the state, but backers say not as often as their opponents' ads are airing. Those opposed to Measure 27 have a lot more money. Backers also received a boost from an Oregon State University report that analyzed the cost of the measure. OSU Economics Professor Bill Jaeger concluded that opponents' had severely overestimated how much Measure 27 would cost the government and consumers. Bill Jaeger: I think they're highly exaggerated and I don't think they come from, what I would consider to be an authoritative or carefully done economic analysis. Jaeger found a family of four would spend between 12 and 40 dollars a year more on food if the measure passes. That's much less than the 550 dollars a year Measure 27's opponents estimate. While opponents were not available to comment on tape, they did say Jaeger's estimates are lower because he's interpreting the language in the measure too narrowly. They contend the measure's language is so broad that the labeling requirement would apply to things the sponsors never intended such as restaurant food. Jaeger admits the language in Measure 27 is vague on some issues including the restaurant question. One of Measure 27's sponsors, Katelyn Lord, says the proposal
CSfw: millions infected with SV40 cancer virus from vaccines
Date: 24 Oct 2002 16:19:13 -0500 From: jcummins jcumm...@uwo.ca Subject: millions infected with SV40 cancer virus from vaccines We are far too slow in acknowedging that SV40 causes cancer in humans. Science Oct 25 2002: 725-727 Creeping Consensus on SV40 and Polio Vaccine Dan Ferber At first it seemed impossible: The widely celebrated polio vaccine that was given to millions of people in the 1950s was contaminated with a monkey virus--a virus that causes cancer in animals. Since the virus was discovered in the monkey kidney extracts used to make the Salk vaccine some 40 years ago, concern has risen that the vaccine, which wiped out polio in the United States, might have triggered an epidemic of cancer (Science, 10 May, p. 1012). Now, at the request of the U.S. Congress, an expert panel of the Institute of Medicine (IOM) has issued the most definitive judgment to date, allaying most--but not all--of those fears. The virus, known as SV40, has not caused a wave of cancer, the panel concluded. But it might be causing some rare cancers, and more research is needed to find out. Since the contamination was detected, government researchers and others have published epidemiological studies that they said proved that the vaccine was safe. But questions remained, because the virus kept turning cultured cells cancerous, and it kept causing tumors in animals. That debate heated up in the past decade, after researchers began finding SV40 DNA in four types of rare human cancers--the same kinds it causes in animals--and press reports emphasized that tens of millions of people could have been exposed. The IOM committee examined the 4 decades of epidemiology to see whether people exposed to SV40-contaminated vaccine have a higher risk of cancer. Although the studies were flawed, the panel concluded, they were good enough to show that no cancer epidemic has occurred. But millions of people might have been infected with SV40 from the contaminated vaccine, the panel wrote. And the evidence is strong enough to suggest, but not prove, that the virus can sometimes cause human cancer. We acknowledge that SV40 at least could have a carcinogenic effect, but epidemiological evidence does not suggest that it actually did, says IOM committee member Steven Goodman, a biostatistician at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore. Even so, he adds, there's a body of evidence [on SV40 carcinogenicity] that has to be taken quite seriously. The committee stressed the need for more reliable and sensitive tests to detect SV40 in human tissue, especially tests for anti-SV40 antibodies in human blood. Once those tests are devised, researchers could test human tissue samples from before 1955 for the monkey virus to ascertain whether it really came from contaminated polio vaccine. In addition, the panel said, there's enough evidence that the virus is spreading in humans that the issue should be studied further. But overall, the IOM report really closes the book on the discussion of past epidemiological work, says pediatric oncologist Robert Garcea of the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center in Denver. Although SV40 might yet turn out to cause cancer in humans, the risk, if any, is not remotely in the ballpark of well-known carcinogens such as tobacco smoke or asbestos, adds Goodman. The report seems to have satisfied protagonists across the spectrum, although they're drawing different conclusions. One reason, Goodman explains, is that IOM took extraordinary precautions to prevent conflicts of interest, excluding anyone who had ever sat on a government vaccine panel or received money from government or industry for vaccine research. Virologist Janet Butel of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, is gratified that they recognized the biological evidence implicating SV40 in cancer. Keerti Shah of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, a long-time skeptic, calls the report a positive step, although he'll need better assays before concluding that SV40 is indeed present in humans. If the National Institutes of Health follows the panel's suggestions, more money should soon be available to probe the link. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIt means to change the subject line
In a message dated 10/25/02 10:57:06 AM Central Daylight Time, rtr...@bellsouth.net writes: It would be good to go ahead and open up all the ones, even with the subject lines you are not following, because most of the times the subjects lines do not get changed. Actually opening and scanning all the messages I get is just impossible. I guess I'll just have to miss the fascinating and vastly informative messages that aren't identified in the subject line. Linda
RE: CSIt means to change the subject line
Can I make a suggestion? Most email programs will allow you to preview the message without opening the entire thing. You can scan a line or two and decide what to discard. Okay this is my last comment on the subject. Roxanne -Original Message- From: lindael...@aol.com [mailto:lindael...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSIt means to change the subject line In a message dated 10/25/02 10:57:06 AM Central Daylight Time, rtr...@bellsouth.net writes: It would be good to go ahead and open up all the ones, even with the subject lines you are not following, because most of the times the subjects lines do not get changed. Actually opening and scanning all the messages I get is just impossible. I guess I'll just have to miss the fascinating and vastly informative messages that aren't identified in the subject line. Linda
Re: CSHome Distilled Water Purity
I went around and bought a few different brands Crystal Springs 1.2 uS Morning Fresh Farms 1.1 uS Great Value 1.6 uS Food Lion 4.9 uS I've had good results with all of them. The Food Loin brand certainly doesn't need any sort of starter Ken At 11:37 AM 10/25/02 -0700, you wrote: To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul -- Do you Yahoo!? http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbarnb...@aol.com/PWT meter
From: barnb...@aol.com Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:10:45 -0700 Other than strictly from hunger I'm from Connecticut,USA Does anyone know what to do with a Hanna PWT that went stone-cold dead? New batteries and checking to ensure Batteies were making good contact had no effect. Bob ** Try sending an e-mail request for info. to: http://www.hannainst.com/info/comments.htm Jack
RE: CSHome Distilled Water Purity
To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Highly variable. The best I ever tried was Arrowhead. That did not register any PPM or mS with my Sprite 6000, that reads to tenths. Depending on your process, there is an optimum conductivity above completely pure water. I adjust mine with tap water to be 1.5 mS or, about 0.8 PPM. Those who cannot acquire a reasonably precise meter---mine is just adequate, I would like to be able to read hundredths---may try calling a local bottle water service and asking them if you can bring by a sample ; they may test it for you with their meter. I have done that in the past and they seemed interested in doing it so they could see the quality of their competition's water. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Paul Ladendorf [mailto:paulldn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:38 PM To: Silver List Subject: CSHome Distilled Water Purity To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul -- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CSWhere We're From
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:55:20 -0500, Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com wrote: not southern rednecks like me. Heh, Now I know why I like ya... Chuck I modified my economy car to runs on beans, but there is still not enough legume in the back seat.. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHome Distilled Water Purity
Hi Paul, We use an old Barnstead still. Makes a gallon an hour and it always reads about 1.5 uS on a PWT. Much of the store water also comes in under 2.0. Never saw any over that. Home distillers are problematic because they aren't made to give you pure water, just pretty good water. They usually boil too hard and entrain minerals that come over the helm. If you have a variac, you can try lowering the voltage to the still and that will help. Be aware that the process will take longer at lower voltage. If your unit is a low wattage one you may be abele to use a lamp dimmer to cut down on the power. It doesn't reduce the voltage but does reduce the on time versus off time so in effect you get less power to the item controlled by it. Trem - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: Silver List Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: CSHome Distilled Water Purity To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul -- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CSbarnb...@aol.com/PWT meter
barnb...@aol.com/PWT meterBetter yet...just call them. 1-877-694-2662 and ask for the service department. Pete or Rob will help you. Trem - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: CSbarnb...@aol.com/PWT meter From: barnb...@aol.com Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:10:45 -0700 Other than strictly from hunger I'm from Connecticut,USA Does anyone know what to do with a Hanna PWT that went stone-cold dead? New batteries and checking to ensure Batteies were making good contact had no effect. Bob ** Try sending an e-mail request for info. to: http://www.hannainst.com/info/comments.htm Jack
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #806
In a message dated 10/25/02 3:54:36 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water Nancy, I drink distilled water all the time. I know the pros and cons however I prefer the taste and eat better than most Americans. My diet consists mostly of fresh raw organic fruits and vegetables w/sea veggies and I juice two or three times a day. You can get all the calcium and mag you need in food form and its highly effective as to taking vitamins or taking fortified foods. The only supplements and I consider them to be my supplements, I take a zinc lozenge, flaxseed oil, cs, garlic and apple cider vinegar and stay away from over the counter and behind the counter meds (talk about depletion of vitamins and minerals). It is kinda like the old swab the arm with alcohol and shoot the person with the common adjuvants used in vaccines(very toxic). I am sure this study is really not a good one, surely outdated and the variables are alot different now too. Jane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCure for infections???
Hi! I am new to this list. How are you all doing. I am just curious, I did a little research into Wayne Green (Founder of Byte magizine.) and Bob Beck (Inventer of the flash strobe) and they are pretty well respected guys from what I have read. Now, they push the blood electrifier as something that works (no not the Hulda clark zapper, which they say does not work), which in 1990, Dr Kaali applied a current to a dish filled with the HIV virus, causing it to not be able to attach to a normal human cell. Now, there was a patent number from one of the articles, and I did some research in the US patent office. Sure enough, the patent 5,139,684 does exist, and it goes on to talk about killing a lot of infection past the contact point. 1. Is this patent legit? 2. Ok, so it works for HIV. What about Lyme Disease? 3. If it kills Lyme and other infections past the contact point, how long will it take a Bob Beck units to really kill of these infections out of a human body? Including Lyme? I have a Beck Zapper, and a Beck Pulser. And I have Lyme. How long do I have to use it before I am cleared of Lyme? And are there people out there that are curing themselfs of infections diseases out there? Or is this just another health hoax? Should I bother to use these units? Or should I put them into the trash? Thank you for your time. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTDS/PWT meters
please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks!
Re: CSTDS/PWT meters
My understanding is that the TDS (total DISSOLVED solids) will not measure the colloidal particles as they are suspended not DISSOLVED but will measure the ion content. The PWT measures conductivity which would include colloids and ions. Regards, Paul kaselo...@aol.com wrote:please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks! - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
CSanother matter
thanks for some understanding on the tds/pwt meters but, once again the newbie needs some advice... i posted this on another cs board, but as of yet i've had no response, so i'd like to pose it here too: about 2 months ago we purchased the cs300 to produce our own cs, but soon found out that making 8oz. at a time was too time consuming, esp. when we were using large quantities ourselves, and giving it away to family and friends by the gallon (great reports by the way)... anyway, within a month i knew our needs far exceeded this small unit's output unless i was to spend every minute brewing cs... so, a month ago we purchased a cspro to make a gallon at a time... this has been wonderful, and out of my first 5 gallons, i've given 3 of them away... today i went to brew another gallon for ourselves (the 6th) and i noticed that the rods were not looking the same as with the first 5 gals lots more of the dark stuff, none of the 'smokey' silver in the water, etc... i realize the 'tds' meter doesn't register the true ppm, but i do use it as a comparison guage, and was getting a reading of 000 to 001 after 15 mins now 15 mins. would normally bring me a brew of 10 or better... anyway, here's my question(s): how many gallons should i be getting from .999 silver 12 guage wire? is the wire solid silver or overlay, and when the coating is gone, does the black flaky stuff appear? in cases such as this do i brew it longer, or do i just replace the silver rods? i was thinking i could supply everyone with tons of cs, with such a minimal cost (and i guess it still is, considering a gal. goes for about $75.-$100.)... this new generator is so great, but i did think i'd get more than 5-6 gallons from one set of silver rods... please give me some indications as to what 'normal' is where the lifespan of the silver rods are concerned, as i certainly don't want to be throwing them out if there is still life in them... but, i don't want to brewing stuff for 45 min. just to get the ppm up either... i know that i must certainly invest in a 'pwt' meter, and will do so as soon as i can come up with the funds... you're input is greatly appreciated as always... in advance, thanks! deb
Re: CSCure for infections???
Wow! Those sound like some loaded questions. 1. Is this patent legit? I believe I did read the actual patent at the patent office's website. 2. Ok, so it works for HIV. What about Lyme Disease? No one knows that for sure. They are experimental devices, so you need to experiment. 3. If it kills Lyme and other infections past the contact point, how long will it take a Bob Beck units to really kill of these infections out of a human body? Including Lyme? That's like asking if I take vitamin c how long will it take to clear up my cold. No one knows that either. Again, it's experimental I have a Beck Zapper, and a Beck Pulser. And I have Lyme. How long do I have to use it before I am cleared of Lyme? See above. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
Paul has led you astray a bit in his answer :-) Both the TDS (total dissolved solids) meter and the PWT (pure water tester) are conductivity meters. The difference is in the scale and calibration. A TDS meter is calibrated to convert the conductivity reading (micro-Siemens uS) to reflect the amount of dissolved calcium carbonate (in most cases) that would give rise to the conductivity measured. This calibration is about 1ppm TDS to 2uS for CaCO3. That would be fine if one could just multiply the ppm TDS x 2 to get the equivalent conductivity reading in uS, however, most TDS meters have a scale 000 - 999 ppm TDS, and generally have a error of 2% of the full scale reading. The error is therefore +/- 20ppm TDS or a range of 80uS, obviously too high if one is measuring a 10ppm CS solution which will have a conductivity reading of about 8uS. The PWT scale is much more suitable, being 00.0 - 99.0 and the readout is in uS. The error is +/- 2uS or a range of 4uS. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 1:52 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTDS/PWT meters please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSanother matter
Well, the patent is legit in as far as it has been granted by the patent office. I suggest you join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ where your other questions may well be answered. Ivan. -Original Message- From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:26 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSanother matter thanks for some understanding on the tds/pwt meters but, once again the newbie needs some advice... i posted this on another cs board, but as of yet i've had no response, so i'd like to pose it here too: about 2 months ago we purchased the cs300 to produce our own cs, but soon found out that making 8oz. at a time was too time consuming, esp. when we were using large quantities ourselves, and giving it away to family and friends by the gallon (great reports by the way)... anyway, within a month i knew our needs far exceeded this small unit's output unless i was to spend every minute brewing cs... so, a month ago we purchased a cspro to make a gallon at a time... this has been wonderful, and out of my first 5 gallons, i've given 3 of them away... today i went to brew another gallon for ourselves (the 6th) and i noticed that the rods were not looking the same as with the first 5 gals lots more of the dark stuff, none of the 'smokey' silver in the water, etc... i realize the 'tds' meter doesn't register the true ppm, but i do use it as a comparison guage, and was getting a reading of 000 to 001 after 15 mins now 15 mins. would normally bring me a brew of 10 or better... anyway, here's my question(s): how many gallons should i be getting from .999 silver 12 guage wire? is the wire solid silver or overlay, and when the coating is gone, does the black flaky stuff appear? in cases such as this do i brew it longer, or do i just replace the silver rods? i was thinking i could supply everyone with tons of cs, with such a minimal cost (and i guess it still is, considering a gal. goes for about $75.-$100.)... this new generator is so great, but i did think i'd get more than 5-6 gallons from one set of silver rods... please give me some indications as to what 'normal' is where the lifespan of the silver rods are concerned, as i certainly don't want to be throwing them out if there is still life in them... but, i don't want to brewing stuff for 45 min. just to get the ppm up either... i know that i must certainly invest in a 'pwt' meter, and will do so as soon as i can come up with the funds... you're input is greatly appreciated as always... in advance, thanks! deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTDS/PWT meters
I meant to add that neither meter will measure true colloids, as they are both not dissolved and do not carry a charge, other than that of the ions that are adsorbed to the colloid surface. Conductivity meters measure ions only. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 3:05 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSTDS/PWT meters Paul has led you astray a bit in his answer :-) Both the TDS (total dissolved solids) meter and the PWT (pure water tester) are conductivity meters. The difference is in the scale and calibration. A TDS meter is calibrated to convert the conductivity reading (micro-Siemens uS) to reflect the amount of dissolved calcium carbonate (in most cases) that would give rise to the conductivity measured. This calibration is about 1ppm TDS to 2uS for CaCO3. That would be fine if one could just multiply the ppm TDS x 2 to get the equivalent conductivity reading in uS, however, most TDS meters have a scale 000 - 999 ppm TDS, and generally have a error of 2% of the full scale reading. The error is therefore +/- 20ppm TDS or a range of 80uS, obviously too high if one is measuring a 10ppm CS solution which will have a conductivity reading of about 8uS. The PWT scale is much more suitable, being 00.0 - 99.0 and the readout is in uS. The error is +/- 2uS or a range of 4uS. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 1:52 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTDS/PWT meters please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCure for infections???
Oops! Not having a cognitive day! My last message should have been attached to this subject. Here it is again... Well, the patent is legit in as far as it has been granted by the patent office. I suggest you join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ where your other questions may well be answered. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Paul Ladendorf [mailto:paulldn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:31 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCure for infections??? Wow! Those sound like some loaded questions. 1. Is this patent legit? I believe I did read the actual patent at the patent office's website. 2. Ok, so it works for HIV. What about Lyme Disease? No one knows that for sure. They are experimental devices, so you need to experiment. 3. If it kills Lyme and other infections past the contact point, how long will it take a Bob Beck units to really kill of these infections out of a human body? Including Lyme? That's like asking if I take vitamin c how long will it take to clear up my cold. No one knows that either. Again, it's experimental I have a Beck Zapper, and a Beck Pulser. And I have Lyme. How long do I have to use it before I am cleared of Lyme? See above. Paul Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme
Hi Kevin, Others have suggested appropriate action regarding CS, so I thought to suggest supplementary steps to aid you in your battle. May I suggest you purchase some Beta Glucan, capsules or powder. Beta Glucan will increase the numbers and efficiency of certain members of your immune systems cells, particularly the macrophages, which are the immune cells which neutralise and dispose of microbes and toxins, and dying or mutated cells. A Beta Glucan potentiated immune system is able to cut through the disguises that certain pathogens and cancers are cloaked in, and Beta Glucan will improve the effectiveness of other treatments. A maintenance does of 100mg per day (on an empty stomach), and therapeutic dose of 300 - 500mg beta glucan should be accompanied by double the amount of Vitamin C as the two work synergistically. Ivan -Original Message- From: Kevin Raggett [mailto:lymegladia...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 4:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Importance: High PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together - it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage - I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn't worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK
CSBeta Glucan
Ivan, Do you know if there's a big difference in the quality of beta glucan products on the market? If so, do you know what the better brands are? Thanks, Paul Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote:Hi Kevin, Others have suggested appropriate action regarding CS, so I thought to suggest supplementary steps to aid you in your battle. May I suggest you purchase some Beta Glucan, capsules or powder. Beta Glucan will increase the numbers and efficiency of certain members of your immune systems cells, particularly the macrophages, which are the immune cells which neutralise and dispose of microbes and toxins, and dying or mutated cells. A Beta Glucan potentiated immune system is able to cut through the disguises that certain pathogens and cancers are cloaked in, and Beta Glucan will improve the effectiveness of other treatments. A maintenance does of 100mg per day (on an empty stomach), and therapeutic dose of 300 - 500mg beta glucan should be accompanied by double the amount of Vitamin C as the two work synergistically. Ivan -Original Message- From: Kevin Raggett [mailto:lymegladia...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 4:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Importance: High PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together - it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage - I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn't worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CSBeta Glucan
I am not Ivan, but did a lot of research and talked with these folks. Lona http://www.levinehealth.com/cust/levine/price44.htm From: levhea...@aol.com Thank you for your request about Beta Glucan. We normally sell to Health Care Professions, but if you do not have a health care provider conveniently located near you, you may order this product directly from us. The price for the 30 size is $26.80 and the price of the 60 size is $45.00. Price does not include shipping and sales tax. [ looks like the prices have slightly changed ] Please call us at 1-800-426-6763 if you would like to order this product. Sincerely, Yvonne Customer Service : Ivan, : Do you know if there's a big difference in the quality of beta glucan products on the market? If so, do you know what the better brands are? : Thanks, : -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBeta Glucan
Hi Paul, There is not as big a difference as the various manufacturers would have you believe. BG can be and is made from various raw products, mushrooms (maitake, shitake), oats, yeast (bakers, brewers), and so on, each has its proponents and detractors. But as long as the Beta 1,3 Glucan fraction is 60% or so then the product will be good. Other fractions are found in different concentrations depending on the source, yeast has Beta 1,6 Glucan for instance. Yeast derived Beta Glucan is the easiest to produce and has the highest Beta 1,3 fraction and can be found purified to greater than 90%, although it seems that products with lesser purity can actually promote a greater immune expression. I am happy with 70+ % Beta 1,3 Glucan. A product produced from yeast is probably the best bet for a decent BG content and a reasonable price. Some products may elicit a slighter higher response by being micronised to a very small size (0.2 micron), and some is soluble and suitable for IV injection (but is expensive). Fortunately both the soluble and particulate Beta Glucan is absorbed in the gut. Best taken on an empty stomach 30 mins before food and the action is enhanced by Vitamin C. The immune response to Beta Glucan seems to be a vestige of cellular development, given that both animals and plants display an immune response to its presence. It has uses as an additive to animal and fish feed, (not to be confused with the bacterial derived Beta Glucan which is inert as used as a food filler) and is proved for instance to prevent to a high percentage of infection in farmed fish. Must be good for pets and maybe the roses. As for brands... because I buy in bulk (kgs) I can't really help you, but hopefully you now have enough info to make a decision. Email me if you need more help. Ivan -Original Message- From: Paul Ladendorf [mailto:paulldn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 4:19 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBeta Glucan Ivan, Do you know if there's a big difference in the quality of beta glucan products on the market? If so, do you know what the better brands are? Thanks, Paul Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: Hi Kevin, Others have suggested appropriate action regarding CS, so I thought to suggest supplementary steps to aid you in your battle. May I suggest you purchase some Beta Glucan, capsules or powder. Beta Glucan will increase the numbers and efficiency of certain members of your immune systems cells, particularly the macrophages, which are the immune cells which neutralise and dispose of microbes and toxins, and dying or mutated cells. A Beta Glucan potentiated immune system is able to cut through the disguises that certain pathogens and cancers are cloaked in, and Beta Glucan will improve the effectiveness of other treatments. A maintenance does of 100mg per day (on an empty stomach), and therapeutic dose of 300 - 500mg beta glucan should be accompanied by double the amount of Vitamin C as the two work synergistically. Ivan -Original Message- From: Kevin Raggett [mailto:lymegladia...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 4:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Importance: High PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together - it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage - I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn't worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
