Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Ken,


  I said:

Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers
contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety
police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this.



  So, the risk is in being laughed at?   :-)
  I meant medical risk..but you knew that.


  **  I don't think I expressed myself well enough.  It seems you
are responding to something I didn't say.


I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that
this
would not infect others.   I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of
being laughed at.  But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if
I present something they have no experience with and then tell them
to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now.  If you're
talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be
a concern for two reasons.  First, I'm trying to take advantage of the
opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine.  I want them to
seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation
I've managed to cultivate in this group.  It's not every day that a person
who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by
physicians
and scientists.  I'm not about to do anything to damage this.  I'm playing
by their
rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS.  Then THEY can
figure out
how to administer it (with a few subtle hints).


Regards,
Catherine


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CSRe: Re: CSRe: Re: CSRE: Current limitation Please check my math

[Mike Monett]

Hi Bob,

   Re: CSRe: Re: CSRE: Current limitation Please check my math
   From: Robert Berger
   Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:39:26

   Hi Mike,

   A clever solution to the problem of EIS power supplies.

   I have  a  few 330 v c supplies here to check with  my  wide anode
   system.

   I believe that Trem is working on a system as a future sales item.

   I will look into the NO3 and NO levels.

   Ole Bob

  330 VOLTS? That should get the electrons moving smartly.

  It should  also get UL's attention. They are probably  too  young to
  have worked on old vacuum tube radios, and never felt the  snap when
  your finger brushed against the B+ supply voltage. It helped develop
  quick reflexes:)

  I'd be very interested in the figures you come up with on NO3 and NO
  levels. Just for reference, here's your post from last March on this
  issue:

  

  http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m56865.html

  CSNO3 and NO Warning
  From: Robert Berger
  Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:38:30

  Listen-up CS'ers,

  I just received two samples of CS made with 90 volts DC. I would not
  call this LVDC but rather MVDC, and they both had serious problems.

  The CS  was crystal clear, one with a very weak T.E., and  the other
  with a  medium T.E., both had almost no sparkles. Let me  detail the
  test results and my comments.

  A 6  hour  brew  at 90 Volts dropping to  24.5  volts  and  3.24 ma.
  Conductance = 27.5 uS/cc; pH = 5.04; Ag+ = 14.5; T.E. very weak with
  very few sparkles, and no taste. sound great doesn't it? I could not
  read the  NO3 as something in the brew caused a turbidity  to appear
  in the  sample.  The  NO = 1.44 PPM which is  greater  than  the FDA
  allowance of 1 PPM.

  A 31  hour  brew  at  90  Volts dropping  to  5  volt  and  5.65 ma.
  Conductance = 139 uS/cc !!! ; pH = 5.34; Ag+ = 52.8 PPM; Medium T.E.
  with very  few sparkles, but with an after taste. WOW 52.8  ppm, BUT
  note the  NO3 = 5 PPM and the NO = 4 PPM and both  show  a turbidity
  during these tests.

  Before you  screw  around  with voltages over  about  37  volts, get
  someone to  check  these  two   items   for  you,  as  they  are not
  desireable. No wonder the medical profession has problems  with home
  made cs !

  I would only use this material externally.

  I guess  I am soon old and late smart as I have  not  tested other
  people's CS  made with high voltages, but something triggered  me to
  run these  tests, which I normally do not do for LVDC,  but  this is
  not LVDC!!!

  Ole Bob

  

  It sounds  like  the generator has a series resistor,  but  it's not
  apparent what value is. The above numbers looked a bit strange, so I
  tried to calculate it.

  The first  run  of  6  hrs produced  24.5V  and  3.24mA.  The series
  resistance calculates to:

  R = E / I
= (90 - 24.5) / 3.24e-3
= 20,216 ohms

  The second  run of 31 hrs gave 5V and 5.65mA. The  series resistance
  calculates to:

  R = E / I
= (90 - 5) / 5.65e-3
= 15,044 ohms

  The value of the series resistance should not change  with different
  current levels.  So  there's something funny going on,  but  I don't
  think it affects the readings you took.

  Best Regards,

  Mike Monett

  P.S. A  small off-topic question - how many times can you  add Re:
  to a thread before the server crashes?


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Re: CSTyndall effect

[Ode Coyote]

My tap water is more like 220 PPM dissolved solids and I get a very heavy TE.
maybe your tap water is better than you think?

ken

At 10:26 PM 4/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:

 Hi group,
I'm wondering: If there is approx 60 ppm of heavy
metals, and other minerals in tap water, why do I get zero Tyndall
effect when I shine a laser through? Any guesses? (I'm getting a good
one through the homebrewed 10-15ppm)


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Re: CSTyndall effect

[alltogethernow]

I measure approx 160- 180 with the pwt, which (I think) translates to
about 80-100ppm of whatever is in the tap. Sound right?


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CSSARS

[Trem]

Hi Catherine,

I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing an
ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it would
kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time.

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Re: CSSARS

[hdka]

kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time. Thanks for 
the best laugh I have had in days. 

Trem writes: 

Hi Catherine, 


I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing an
ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it would
kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time. 


Trem


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Re: CSSARS

[Trem]

Hi Hank,

Yeah, yeah, yeah   I forgot to insert the words IN THE.  Is this any
better?  It even cracks me up when I read it.

I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing an
ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it would
kill both the virus in the tent and the IN THE patient at the same time.

Trem

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Subject: Re: CSSARS


 kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time. Thanks
for
 the best laugh I have had in days.

 Trem writes:

  Hi Catherine,
 
  I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing
an
  ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it
would
  kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time.
 
  Trem

 Sincerely Yours, Hank.
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Re: CSSARS

[hdka]

I knew what you were saying but it is good for a laugh when a slip can 
change things so much. 

Trem writes: 

Hi Hank, 


Yeah, yeah, yeah   I forgot to insert the words IN THE.  Is this any
better?  It even cracks me up when I read it. 


I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing an
ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it would
kill both the virus in the tent and the IN THE patient at the same time. 

Trem 


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Subject: Re: CSSARS 




kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time. Thanks

for
the best laugh I have had in days. 

Trem writes: 


 Hi Catherine,

 I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing

an

 ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it

would

 kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time.

 Trem


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CSstirring CS also Lyme

[william meyer]

i do want to say -perhaps again- that i am very happy with my 
silvergen colloidal
silver maker. for those of you willing to pay a little more it has 
the built in stirring
device. tho i haven't checked ppm, the silver water i make is 
absolutely clear yet
has a metallic taste. i think the automatic stirring really helps. 
others have mentioned

thermal stirring and this method may be excellent too.
finally, even in my current low doses (ounce of 10ppm (guessed at) per day), i
feel my lyme disease symptoms have been improved. i have better energy and
less arthritis. i am also adding a tablespoon of MSM to each ounce.
--
best
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Re: CSSARS

[Jack Dayton]

Trem's correction

 ...and the IN THE patient at the same time.

I can't believe you said that. :-)

Jack


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Re: CSSARS

[Trem]

Hi Jack,

What is it you can't believe.  That I made one more mistake by leaving an
extra the in the sentence.  Or am I missing something?

I was trying to be serious about using the humidifier but started typing
before having any coffee.

Haste makes wastefaster.

Trem


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Subject: Re: CSSARS


 Trem's correction

  ...and the IN THE patient at the same time.

 I can't believe you said that. :-)

 Jack


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Re: CSRe: Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before? g

[Jack Dayton]

jr asks:

 Where's Dr. Dolittle when you need him?!
 Looks like the animals are first in line for protection:
 all dogs in the EU will have to have the chips...
 http://www.europetnet.com/who/default.asp
 jr
**
jr, this is the silver list, what
caused you to post this here?
Try the Off Topic list for this
sort of stuff.  

Jack


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Re: CSRe: Re: CSRe: Re: CSRE: Current limitation Please check my math

[Robert Berger]

Thanks Mike,

I've been bit a few times building my xmtrs!!

I'll keep your post so I will remember.

Ole Bob




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Re: CSultrasonic humidifiers and large volume CS production

[Robert Berger]

Hi Reid,

The standard thermal humidifier will leave all of the silver in unit as it
boils the water.

The ultra sonic unit vaporizes everything as it has no temperature rise.

These units do consume large amounts of CS. What is why I use is the unit
suggested by Brooks Bradley, an artists air brush. It makes a much finer
mist than the commercial nebulizers and takes  a very small amount of CS, as
it is injected into the open mouth when  one inhales.

Ole Bob


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Re: CSSARS-THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE

[Albert Peirce]

I love the English language! It is both beautiful and maddening at the same
time! Be careful and analyse what you say. Why would you want to place a
humidifier in the tent and kill the virus and the patient at the same time?
Regards, Al...(Tongue in cheek)
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Subject: CSSARS


 Hi Catherine,

 I think Ken had a good idea.  How about tenting the patient and placing an
 ultrasonic humidifier filled with CS in the tent.  Seems as though it
would
 kill both the virus in the tent and the patient at the same time.

 Trem


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CSRe: Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before? g

[jrowland]

 ...what caused you to post this here?---Jack
 Try the Off Topic list for this sort of stuff.  

Sorry, Jack, didn't realize this was your list.
Try reading the original thread:

 COLLOIDAL SILVER NOT APPROVED FOR TREATING ANIMALS...
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m58237.html
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CSTECH Was RE: Current limitation Please check my math

[Mike Monett]

 Re: CSRe: Re: CSRe: Re: CSRE: Current limitation Please check my math
   From: Robert Berger
   Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:48:19

   Thanks Mike,

   I've been bit a few times building my xmtrs!!

   I'll keep your post so I will remember.

   Ole Bob

Hah - I knew there was something about you that I liked:)

They must have been 6L6's, 807's or 6146's. Anything in the 813 or 4-65 class 
and you probably wouldn't be here to tell us about it.

I am very pleased to meet you, and I'm grateful for your posts - especially on 
stirring the cs to eliminate agglomeration. I came across this one the other 
day:


  http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m37060.html

  RE: CS  Stiring
  From: Robert L. Berger
  Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:55:55

  Hi Larry et al,

  The stirrer  is  a 2 to 3 piece of insulation  from  a  #14 copper
  house wire.  Some  have stripped the copper out  and  just  used the
  insulation which is a nice push on to the motor shaft.

  I have used straightened piece of #14 cu insulated wire 3 long with
  a 15  deg bend on the outboard end to stir a cylinder 4  1/4  dia x
  11 as well as a 16 oz SOLO beverage cup.

  As for  speed, I can't measure it but the runing  voltagae  is about
  0.80 volts. a full 1/2 volt throws water everywhere.

  I like to mount the motor in the center of the lid of my  brew cell.
  That allows  me to space the wires about 1 1/2 to 2 apart.  I like
  about 5 wet length on the #14 ga. silver wires.

  If one uses constant voltage but a meter in one line to  measure the
  current, and  shut-off at about 3 to 4 ma. The time  will  depend on
  the volume of DW. For 14 oz I use a pair of #14 ga silver  wires. If
  I go  with more DW then I like to increas the silver  electrode area
  by the same ratio i.e. 28 oz use two wires or go to sheet stock,etc.

  The conductivity increases with brew time, as does the PPM.

  Any more questions.

  Ole Bob


This got my interest right away, since I have always had problems with silver 
depositing on the side of the glass. My first attempt was bubbling with a 
small acquarium pump. It threw water all over the place, but the cs stayed 
clear! This was the first time I had ever seen this happen.

The second attempt with with a small motor from a tape deck spinning a 
drinking straw. I had to put a 200 ohm resistor in series with the motor to 
slow it down, but it worked also.

I am now trying thermal stirring. I took the lid from a Carnation CoffeeMate 
jar and scraped off the coating with steel wool. It tins fine, so I am 
soldering eight 330 ohm resistors in the center like spokes on a wheel. I have 
a small Radio Shack power supply that delivers 3V to 9V in 1.5V steps, so I 
can vary the power from 3^2/(330/8) = 0.2W to 9^2/(330/8)=1.96W 

This should be enough of a range to find an optimum setting. I'll know in a 
couple of hours how well it works.

So, in the grand old ham tradition, you have stirred me to try something new, 
and I am very pleased with the results. Thank you for posting the information!

Best Regards,

Mike Monett
ex VE3CKS, VE2BLB, F7CD, VE3CWF

P.S. I once got nailed by a 6146. A silver cross on a neck chain hit the cap. 
Silver, as you know, is a very good conductor. I stopped wearing silver 
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Re: CSTECH Was RE: Current limitation Please check my math

[Robert Berger]

Mike, please to know you!!

You wont believe this but I tried to neutralize a 1 kw SCR 399 during WW II with
an army knife. 5 kv  has kick like a mule. I was in Germany at the time. I was 
the
Radio Officer for the 71st Inf. Div under Patton.

Ole Bob
Ex D4ADS, HR3RB (9 yrs. in Honduras), K0VUD

P.S. I wanted a ham license so I had to write the license exam for the 
occupation
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CSRe: Current limitation Please check my math

[Dave Sawatzky]

Hi Mike Monett

You wrote
  It sounds  like  the generator has a series resistor,  but  it's not
  apparent what value is. The above numbers looked a bit strange, so I
  tried to calculate it.

The first  run  of  6  hrs produced  24.5V  and  3.24mA.  The series
  resistance calculates to:

  R = E / I
= (90 - 24.5) / 3.24e-3
= 20,216 ohms

  I am the guy that sent those samples to Ole Bob. The circuit I used is
very much like the one you described, but when I designed it my primary
concern was safety. I wanted to design a line rectified generator that was
almost shock proof, so this is what I came up with.

In the AC line I put a 3k ohm resister in both sides of the line before the
bridge diodes, this limits the short circuit bridge current to 19ma. After
the bridge is a 22 mfd capacitor with a 10k ohm resistor in both the
positive and negative lines. ( which agrees with your calculation of 20,216
ohms) The purpose here is for greater shock protection in case of polarity
reversal. After the current limiting resisters I added a 220k bleeder
resister from hot to negative. An LED  then connects to the anode rod. The
220k resister resister will reduce the open line voltage from 160 volts to
135 volts and will discharge the capacitor when unit is turned off. This
resister can be any value between 10k and 220k or higher  allowing you to
change the open circuit output voltage to any level you choose. A 15k ohm
resister will have open circuit voltage of 55 volts and a much lower shock
hazard making it very safe to use.

I was intrigued by Bob's idea of increasing the anode rod length and
decreasing the cathode, so this is what I tried.
67 of 12 ga wire wound into a 3 inch coil ( 5 turns) In the center of the
coil I placed a .038 ga. 11/2
this is a 67 to 1 ratio of surface area.

The question is what generated the NO and NO3?
Was it the high voltage, the coil arrangement,or both.
Bob seems to think it is the voltage. I have produced more samples done at
lower voltages and will be sending them to Bob shortly for testing.

I apologize for not responding to earlier comments on this, but a neck
injury gives me a lot of pain at times and has caused me to severely limit
my computer time the last two months.

Dave Sawatzky



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CSFw: Silversite?

[Marianne Norgan]

has anyone on this list seen this jewel?
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herpes, pneumonia, typhoid, tetanus and many others.

According to the Final Rule, a colloidal silver product for any drug use will 
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Colloidal silver ingredients and silver salts include silver proteins, mild 
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Re: CSDMSO and Garlic

[CKing001]

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:54:11 -0700 (PDT), Jay Ice guessic...@yahoo.com wrote:

As a topical treatment I have been useing garlic and vinegar grinded them and 
spray the liquid on my face. Can I put some DMSO in it? I don't know what this 
treatment does except set my face on fire but I read from one of sites 
mentioned earlier that it worked as a miracle acne cure. And for some reason I 
always taste it.?.  


PJAY

Well,
There goes your lovelife!
Great future in country western and blues though...

Chuck
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Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined

[alltogethernow]

Well, for what it's worth, I have been flooding my system with CS and
zapping for the last 5 days, and this monster will not die. I have
drank, nebulized, gargled, and iv twice, and then used a godzilla.
  My hair finally stopped hurting today. 
 We may be in for some trouble, unless someone here has a better
protocol.
 Maybe someone here can explain the logistics of dmso and so on.
 I just assumed that CS with a drop of h202 3-4 sessions a day in a neb.
would do it in, but it seems to have just offer temp. relief.
 On the other hand, it might buy some time, or provide extra kick for
prescribed medicine.  


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CSFw: Silversite? CS Cancer

[JSHAMMAH1]

These products are labeled to treat adults and children for diseases 
including HIV, AIDS, cancer, tuberculosis, malaria, lupus, syphilis, scarlet 
fever, shingles, herpes, pneumonia, typhoid, tetanus and many others.

Does cs treat/help/eliminates cancer?

Thanks

CSChuck

[Jay Ice]

oh really you think garlic is the reason for a loss of a love life? Well buddy 
let me give you some advice I was given look at the deeper issue. Who the 
hell in their right mind would just spray garlic on there face? believe you me 
there is a reason, there has to be you know what it feels like to have garlic 
on your face? Let me give you the equivalent pour gas on your face and light 
it. endure that for 5-10 minutes then put it out, then you will know right 
where I stand.  Being shot would be cake and ice cream in heaven at the dinner 
table with god compared to garlic on your face. If you have a treatment that 
will work, If I haven't tried it yet,  well hey just go ahead and tell me I'm 
listening because everything else has been worthless and you know what I still 
do all of those worthless treatments with hopes that maybe just maybe it might 
work this time. J



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Re: CSRe:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)

[JohnWallis]

Hello everybody who has an interest in lowering blood sugar count with vanadium 
suppliments. 

After reading all the provided information, some pro-some con, and getting even 
more confused than when I started this discourse, I have turned to my local 
Guru of suppliments.

I was given this information sheet and was advised to use Vanadyl Sulfate 1 
cap = 5000mcg at 1 cap per day. My Guru was reluctant to give advice about the 
use of this product, and asked what my medical advisor had to say about it 
I didn't tell her that my advisor was the forum on the web. (and mamapug:-)

I assume that her concern was that if I were taking insulin, this product would 
necessitate a reduction in the daily injection amount of insulin as the blood 
sugar level starts to decline. Something to be watched carefully.

So I gave my wife instructions: 
take a blood reading every morning, write the level down, take one capsul of 
Vanadyl Sulfate.

Her BS level was 357 this morning. If your interested, I'll post it every day 
as things go on.

John.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Graham Telfer 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:28 AM
  Subject: Re: CSRe:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)


  John

   I hope your into reading semi technical stuff.


  VANADIUM
  Rough file:
  When Dr. John McNeill, dean of pharmaceutical sciences at UBC, and his 
colleagues Clayton Heilinger and Arun Tahiliani were testing vanadium - a 
common trace element found in seaweed - on diabetes induced female rats to see 
if it would prevent the development of cardiac problems, they made a startling 
discovery. Vanadium not only improved the rats' cardiovascular performance, it 
also regulated the levels of glucose in their blood and prevented the formation 
of cataracts. In fact, the rats that were fed vanadium in their drinking water 
appeared normal in all respects. ... Adds McNeill: 'The fact that vanadium 
appears to fix the whole system is a very nice discovery. It was not something 
we originally intended to look for.'
  On average, an adult consumes one to four milligrams of vanadium every day 
from such foods as meat, milk, vegetables and bread: fish and marine plants are 
particularly good sources. The biological importance of vanadium, however, is 
largely unknown. A natural part of the regulatory system, it is believed to 
prevent cholesterol formation both in blood vessels and in the central nervous 
system. ... However, says McNeill, 'we never thought vanadium would do it 
[mimic insulin] so well. From everything we looked at, the rats were completely 
normal.
  A two-factor, two-by-three factorially arranged experiment was performed to 
ascertain whether iodine affects the response of rats to vanadium deprivation. 
Male weanling Wistar-Kyoto rats were fed a 16% casein 68% acid-washed ground 
corn diet for 8 weeks. The variables were supplemental vanadium at 0 or 1 
microgram/g and supplemental iodine at 0, 0.33 or 25 micrograms/g. Vanadium 
deprivation increased thyroid weight and thyroid weight/body weight ratio and 
decreased the concentration of vanadium in liver. Vanadium and iodine 
interacted such that, as dietary iodine was increased, plasma glucose increased 
in the vanadium-deficient rats but decreased in the vanadium-supplemented rats. 
Also, as dietary iodine was increased, thyroid peroxidase activity decreased; 
the decrease was more marked in the vanadium-supplemented than the 
vanadium-deprived rats. The findings suggest that vanadium may have a 
physiological role affecting iodine metabolism and thyroid function.vanadium 
and iodine interaction effects on thyroid.doc
  The following study shows that vanadium supplementation can increase bone 
mineral levels and that there is an interaction between vanadium and vitamin C 
in cholesterol metabolism.
Magnes Trace Elem 1991-92;10(5-6):327-38  

  Vanadium and ascorbate effects on 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A 
reductase, cholesterol and tissue minerals in guinea pigs fed low-chromium 
diets.

  Seaborn CD, Mitchell ED, Stoecker BJ

  Department of Nutritional Sciences, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater.

  Vanadium has been reported to affect numerous physiological processes; 
however, a demonstration that vanadium deficiency consistently impairs 
biological function is lacking. The purpose of this study was to determine if 
the activity of hepatic 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A (HMG CoA) 
reductase, the rate-limiting enzyme in cholesterol synthesis, is affected by 
dietary supplementation of vanadate and/or chronic ascorbic acid deficiency. To 
determine if vanadium and/or ascorbic acid affected mineral metabolism, tissue 
minerals also were analyzed. Weanling male guinea pigs were assigned randomly 
to groups of 10 in a 2 x 2 factorial design. The dietary variables were 
ascorbate, 0.5 or 10 mg/day, and vanadium  0.01 microgram or 0.5 microgram/g 
diet as NH4VO3 in a low Cr diet containing  0.07 microgram 

Re: CSRe:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)

[LSMD1]

In a message dated 4/27/03 8:53:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jf...@attbi.com 
writes:

 If your interested, I'll post it every day as things go on.
 ++
 This family of diabetics is interested.  Please post or private email is ok 
 too.
 Sue
 


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CSCS and interactions with vitamins

[S K]

Most nights I take a slug of CS along with a calcium pill and 1000 mg Vitamin C. Any problems with either one of these interactions? Others??
Also, it would be very helpful for us newbies to hear of the many applications of CS. Now that I am making my own for pennies, I am interested in other uses. Since I have been part of the list I have seen -- acne, plant growth, and pet's drinking water. I'm sure there a lot of applications out there. 
Thank you.
Nia

 - Original Message - From: "MARIANO DELISE" 
Subject: Re: CSCS and juice 
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 23:44:03 -0500 
 
I'm afraid you should stay away from drinking CS with citrus juice. I was thinkingmore in the lineof cranberry juice. 
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