CSEye disease !!

[John Rigby]

Hi folks,
I've just posted on the off-topic list a little more of this, but do go 
here and read this:

http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/story/macular
It is a most frightening set of numbers and for no real reason except the 
usual: $

How many people do you know with Macular Degeneration?
More of it on MATRIXIDE  http://www.fablor.com/soapbox/

Cheers?

Himagain

Re: CSdifferential equation for electrolysis process

[Ode Coyote]

  Agreed Wayne.

 When eyeballs and taste buds are sufficient gauges for what's good enough
and will work, by all means use them in such a way that the result DOES
work. But also use them to initiate intuitive caution.
 If it looks good, it probably is. [If you have an idea about what 'good'
looks like.  I've seen explicit instructions on how to make something I'd
dump out..even saying that a pink CS is very very good stuff.]  If it
tastes like rocket fuel..assume that it's rocket fuel.

 After that, it's all pretty much splitting hairs.

Start looking for numbers to back up the eyeballs, now...that's where
simplicity goes out the window.
 Half way is half way.  If you want numbers that mean anything at all
rather than just 'sounding' like they mean something..and I'm only talking
reasonable accuracy.. THEN there's a lot of things to take into account.
 Not just time.
 Time is like going 1/10th of the way.
 Time may tell you if you got off the ground but won't tell you how fast
you'll be going when you hit the moon...or that you just popped up on a
pogo stick.
Current wise...  Are you driving a Volkswagon or a Ferrarri?  Water wise...
Autobahn or cow track?

 If getting into the Ballparks parking lot of 'close enough' is cool...then
it's cool.  But to claim that's a view of the pichers mound is not so cool,
especially if you bought tickets for a front row seat and are expecting to
watch the game.

 Being in the game and marking actual score to the decimal is another
level yet again.
 Most mega dollar LABs don't make it there.

The CS industry is loaded with claims, 'instructions'  and numbers backed
up by nothing at all which are very often totally off the wall, pulled
straight out of a hat and made to sound like they mean something.

 If silver water were the least bit toxic, the dosing standards I've seen
so far would mean a lot of dead people. They make zero sense. [and ,
fortunately..don't have to, to work without killing anyone.]

 When you get a commercially made sample that only contains 1 hundreth of
the silver content claimed on the label or they say it's 87% particles and
turns out to be 87% ions...ya just gotta wonder... what the heck do they
'think' they're doing?

 They're either lying, or they're totally ignorant and don't know it.
 If it's ignorance, it's usually because they're operating under the idea
that they have a clue because someone 'told' them how and they believed
that method of knowing works when it doesn't.
 And doesn't work because it leaves out 90% of what's really relevent.
 The innocently ignorant don't know, that they don't know.
 There's plenty of that going around even at the Professional level.

 Time alone simply doesn't work to put 'any' sort of numbers on the end
product.
 Todays water may give to 10 PPM, tomorrows water, 100 PPM or 1,000 and the
next..2 PPM, all in the same amount of time using the same brand of water.
All it takes is a stray salt crystal or so, a dust of baking soda in the
air, a minuscule trace of soap scum or anti spotting agent from the
dishwasher, to make all that difference.
 If you don't know where you started, especially on an acceleration curve,
you'll have no idea at all where you'll wind up. The flat end and the near
verticle end of the curve aren't all that far apart..only a few microsiemens.
  Using a simple constant voltage generator, PPM per minute is really PPM
per minute, per minute but I've never seen any generator seller tell anyone
that using that generator is like falling off a building without knowing
how tall it is.
  The saving grace there is, if you have any idea at all about what
wind-speed feels like, you can pop the parachute before you get flat.
Bounce is good enough.  Were you told about wind-speed? [Probably not]

 Even using a generator that takes everything reasonably practical into
account, the time difference to get to a given conductivity..a close
'ballpark' figure.. [never mind 'actual' PPM] can vary by hours with only a
3 microsiemens difference in the water.  That's a difference that almost
won't even register on a cheapo PPM meter or even a good PWT that's not
calibrated well.

 A near invisible speck of baking soda will make more than that amount of
difference in a small batch.

 Ask Stan Jones..
 Had he used time... and eyeballs/ tastebuds and an educated guess, at
least he wouldn't have gotten into trouble.
 He thought he had a clue because he was told something that wasn't true
and believed that more than what he was seeing happen.  No one told him
what else to look out for, or that there WAS anything else TO look out for.
 He just didn't know..and..He didn't know that he didn't know.

 Heck fire, ya gotta know a little bit just to think to ask.

 Say, is this thing supposed to fizz, foam and make emulsified brown/black
stuff within 3 minutes?
I have a $150 generator here, made and sold back in the 80s, with
instructions, that does just that.  I traded  a 'real' one for it out of
curiosity.
 According to 

CSColloidal silver generator

[Nathan Filyk]

I need to get a colloidal silver generator shipped to Korea. Can anyone recommend a good company?
Sincerely,
~Nathan


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CSdifferential equation for electrolysis

[Matthew McCann PE]

An ordinary differential equation model for the
EIS generating process could be fruitful even if
it fell short of predicting the results of actual
processes with accuracy, at least in early, simplistic
attempts.

An ODE model could explain phenomena that are
generally accepted. For example, no one doubts that
the rate of electrolysis falls off with the distance
separating the electrodes. Does it fall off inversely
as the distance itself? Or, as the square of the
distance? The latter is the more likely answer (a priori)
because it preserves the symmetry of displacement
in the ODE.

As another example, no one doubts that the electolysis
process accelerates if allowed to proceed without
current control or limitation. Yet the process will
eventually limit itself by saturating, producing 
oxides or floating sol. So a sigmoid (S-shaped)
signal for concentration vs. time would be expected
for the ODE model. Such a sigmoid has an 
inflection point. What can it tell us? Maybe a lot.

The process of electrolysis bears a strong
resemblance to the charge carrier transport
phenomena in semiconductor devices, it we view
these processes abstractly, based on their ODEs.
Charge carrier mobility is an important and
fairly easily measured parameter. But a purely
empirical approach to electrolysis might have a
tough time finding a way to measure ion mobility.
It takes at least a simple ODE model to explain
how to find mobility. And finding charge mobilitycould have
very practical, clinical implications. It may be
tantamount to measuring charge sizes. 
Thus, a Poor-Man's ultramicroscopy substitute,
perhaps.

Best regards,

Matthew

CSTHE LINKING PATHOGEN IN NEURO-SYSTEMIC DISEASES

[Frank Key]

Excellent article on a common pathogenic mycoplasma.

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=2830164126


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CSWord about the archives...

[M. G. Devour]

Greetings all,

I feel like I've finally accomplished *something* with the day! I 
tracked down the owner/operator of the eScribe service and found out 
what the problem with the archives is.

Many of you will recall that a couple of weeks back the archives went 
down for a few days after a crash of the main database hard disk. 
Apparently, now the main boot disk on the server crashed as well. The 
new disk is installed and everything is being rebuilt, but it's likely 
to be a handful of days yet before it's back online.

I suspect he's been pretty swamped with several things going on at 
once, and that communicating with the user base was a casualty. It's a 
no-charge, one-man, spare time operation, so we sorta get what we're 
paying for. That said, it's been a boon to us for several years.

I hope that helps. There are some folks who read the list strictly at 
the archives, and it's being gone has been a worry for them.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

PS The *rest* of the day has been taken up with less-than-successful 
car repairs!! grrr...

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSColloidal silver generator

[William Meyer]

my recomendation is always silver puppy for anything other than 
industrial or

resale type production.
the silver puppy is small, quiet, intuitive, elegant, and makes strong 
stuff well and fast.

i believe it is 99 bucks. look it up on the web thru google.
it comes in a small enough package that shipping should be inexpensive.
On Jul 6, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Nathan Filyk wrote:

I need to get a colloidal silver generator shipped to Korea. Can 
anyone recommend a good company?


Sincerely,

~Nathan

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Re: CSColloidal silver generator

[Hank]

http://www.silverpuppy.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: William Meyer 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: CSColloidal silver generator


  my recomendation is always silver puppy for anything other than industrial or
  resale type production.
  the silver puppy is small, quiet, intuitive, elegant, and makes strong stuff 
well and fast.
  i believe it is 99 bucks. look it up on the web thru google.
  it comes in a small enough package that shipping should be inexpensive.
  On Jul 6, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Nathan Filyk wrote:


I need to get a colloidal silver generator shipped to Korea. Can anyone 
recommend a good company?

Sincerely,

~Nathan


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RE: CSColloidal silver generator

[Terry]

I haven't tried the silver puppy, but I have been extremely pleased with my
Silvergen SG6...particularly how it shuts down current flow once the desired
concentration is reached...no monitoring necessary.
 
Terry

-Original Message-
From: William Meyer [mailto:calis...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSColloidal silver generator


my recomendation is always silver puppy for anything other than industrial
or
resale type production.
the silver puppy is small, quiet, intuitive, elegant, and makes strong stuff
well and fast.
i believe it is 99 bucks. look it up on the web thru google.
it comes in a small enough package that shipping should be inexpensive.
On Jul 6, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Nathan Filyk wrote:



I need to get a colloidal silver generator shipped to Korea. Can anyone
recommend a good company?

Sincerely,

~Nathan

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constitutes your ultimate power. Each time we squarely face and successfully
handle a problem, we become aware of even more options.  
--- Naomi Judd - HAD Hep. C and no longer has it!

...Like the martial arts practice of Aikido. Rather than oppose your enemy
head on; step off center, blend with the attacker's energy, and redirect it
in such a way as to do no harm. It is the application of the principal of
loving your enemy...  
--- Jason Eaton, http://www.solari.com/action/solari_intro.htm

As you grow older, you'll find the only things you regret are the thing you
didn't do.
---Zachary Scott, 1914-1965, Actor





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Re: CSEye disease !!

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening John,

I've just posted on the off-topic list a little more of this, but do go 
here and read this:

http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/story/macular


A very good and interesting article.  I read it twice.

I wrote a short article about fats two years ago.  I touched on the history 
of the oil industry in the

USA.

http://www.fugitt.com/bb_0525.htm  I am an amateur writer, and a lousy one 
at that.

Some of these facts I combined in this article are old hat to most of us.

IF you learn anything at all, I would be surprised, . other than some 
of my highly biased opinions.



It appears that you guys have been taking lessons from the USA, does it not?

The average citizen is hopelessly lost in the sea of misinformation.

Wayne




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