CS>Re: Cs dangers..
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Re: CS>Cs dangers..NOT
Hi, Trem, I think that time may well prove that your approach is a valid one, but I certainly could not advise any one to imitate, nor could I advise them not to. Probably the best way for individuals to make their own determination would be through Omura's Bi-Digital O-Ring test, but there are very few trained clinicians who use it.Other neurological kinesiology methods would be the next best bet I think. No one can account for biochemical individuality, and even the same highly-tested prescription drugs have different effects on different patients. Thus the need for non-protocol medicine. On Friday, Sep 3, 2004, at 11:02 Asia/Tokyo, Trem wrote: Hi Jonathan, I used to think along the same lines as you but about a year ago I changed my mind. Since one of every three of us in the U.S. is going to develop cancer in our lifetimes and I discovered that CS causes cancer cells to dedifferentiate and return to normal, I decided to up my daily dosage to 8 ounces. Cancers all start small so I suspect that if one starts to get one it will be nipped in the bud by CS before they notice it. My take is that it would be better for me to stay well as far as colds, flu's and other infections as well as be able to stop cancer before it gets a foothold. Over 6 years now with no infections. Not a record but one heck of an average. Praise CS!! Trem - Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: CS>Cs dangers.. It seems to me that your friend has raised a valid question, and that no one on the list will be able to answer this definitively. Apropos of hormone studies, it seems that exogenous hormones can be quite harmful, whereas endogenous hormones, enhanced by nutrition, and entirely beneficial. Of course we can not generate silver endogenously, but the point here is that there may be more "natural" ways of boosting immune function that would be much better, and safer in the long run, than taking large quantities of EIS. I myself have a hunch that supplementation with CS should be done with caution if carried out on a regular basis, not out of concern for argyria, but simply because I think no one can be certain that the question raised below is irrelevant.My own layman's intuition is that if carried out on a regular basis, the supplementation should be at a low level aimed at creating a "natural" level that might be obtained by consuming foods and drinking water in which silver might ordinarily be present.There are some postings about this in the archives I think. I stress that I am not a clinician or professional scientist, and think that even if I were, I might not be able to provide any more insight than anyone else.I doubt that large clinical studies will ever be carried out, and without those, anything one says is, from a scientific point of view, merely speculative or at best hypothetical. On Friday, Sep 3, 2004, at 01:07 Asia/Tokyo, David wrote: I have a question I hope someone has an answer or some thoughts on. I pretty much preach CS to my friends telling them the health benefits. I am a firm believer in taking a lot as I know it isn't going to hurt me and only help. One of my friends brought out a point I never thought about and I am not sure how valid of an argument this is. She sees the benefits of taking a small amount of CS to support her immune system but she says by taking too much CS, even taking it everyday, it (the CS) becomes your immune system and suppresses the body's natural ability to become immune to things it comes in contact with from day to day. Is this really a danger or concern we should have? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Cs dangers..NOT
Hi Jonathan, I used to think along the same lines as you but about a year ago I changed my mind. Since one of every three of us in the U.S. is going to develop cancer in our lifetimes and I discovered that CS causes cancer cells to dedifferentiate and return to normal, I decided to up my daily dosage to 8 ounces. Cancers all start small so I suspect that if one starts to get one it will be nipped in the bud by CS before they notice it. My take is that it would be better for me to stay well as far as colds, flu's and other infections as well as be able to stop cancer before it gets a foothold. Over 6 years now with no infections. Not a record but one heck of an average. Praise CS!! Trem - Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: CS>Cs dangers.. > It seems to me that your friend has raised a valid question, and that > no one on the list will be able to answer this definitively.Apropos > of hormone studies, it seems that exogenous hormones can be quite > harmful, whereas endogenous hormones, enhanced by nutrition, and > entirely beneficial. Of course we can not generate silver > endogenously, but the point here is that there may be more "natural" > ways of boosting immune function that would be much better, and safer > in the long run, than taking large quantities of EIS. > > I myself have a hunch that supplementation with CS should be done with > caution if carried out on a regular basis, not out of concern for > argyria, but simply because I think no one can be certain that the > question raised below is irrelevant.My own layman's intuition is > that if carried out on a regular basis, the supplementation should be > at a low level aimed at creating a "natural" level that might be > obtained by consuming foods and drinking water in which silver might > ordinarily be present.There are some postings about this in the > archives I think. > > I stress that I am not a clinician or professional scientist, and > think that even if I were, I might not be able to provide any more > insight than anyone else.I doubt that large clinical studies will > ever be carried out, and without those, anything one says is, from a > scientific point of view, merely speculative or at best hypothetical. > > > > > On Friday, Sep 3, 2004, at 01:07 Asia/Tokyo, David wrote: > > > I have a question I hope someone has an answer or some > > thoughts on. I pretty much preach CS to my friends > > telling them the health benefits. I am a firm > > believer in taking a lot as I know it isn't going to > > hurt me and only help. One of my friends brought out > > a point I never thought about and I am not sure how > > valid of an argument this is. She sees the benefits > > of taking a small amount of CS to support her immune > > system but she says by taking too much CS, even taking > > it everyday, it (the CS) becomes your immune system > > and suppresses the body's natural ability to become > > immune to things it comes in contact with from day to > > day. Is this really a danger or concern we should > > have? > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Cs dangers..
It seems to me that your friend has raised a valid question, and that no one on the list will be able to answer this definitively.Apropos of hormone studies, it seems that exogenous hormones can be quite harmful, whereas endogenous hormones, enhanced by nutrition, and entirely beneficial. Of course we can not generate silver endogenously, but the point here is that there may be more "natural" ways of boosting immune function that would be much better, and safer in the long run, than taking large quantities of EIS. I myself have a hunch that supplementation with CS should be done with caution if carried out on a regular basis, not out of concern for argyria, but simply because I think no one can be certain that the question raised below is irrelevant.My own layman's intuition is that if carried out on a regular basis, the supplementation should be at a low level aimed at creating a "natural" level that might be obtained by consuming foods and drinking water in which silver might ordinarily be present.There are some postings about this in the archives I think. I stress that I am not a clinician or professional scientist, and think that even if I were, I might not be able to provide any more insight than anyone else.I doubt that large clinical studies will ever be carried out, and without those, anything one says is, from a scientific point of view, merely speculative or at best hypothetical. On Friday, Sep 3, 2004, at 01:07 Asia/Tokyo, David wrote: I have a question I hope someone has an answer or some thoughts on. I pretty much preach CS to my friends telling them the health benefits. I am a firm believer in taking a lot as I know it isnt going to hurt me and only help. One of my friends brought out a point I never thought about and I am not sure how valid of an argument this is. She sees the benefits of taking a small amount of CS to support her immune system but she says by taking too much CS, even taking it everyday, it (the CS) becomes your immune system and suppresses the bodys natural ability to become immune to things it comes in contact with from day to day. Is this really a danger or concern we should have? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>SILLY QUESTION BUT .....
Hi again Sue, Sure you can buy one. Nenah's email has "the Silver puppy" on it and in addition I'd recommend taking a look at www.silvergen.com. Both of these suppliers have been on "the Silver List" for a long time, have given a lot of good advice and information. I don't think either would take advantage of your (new) condition. :-) I'm very glad you don't have my affliction...I'm so poor I can't even pay attention. ( I know it's old, but it's still good.) Best wishes, Bruce suzy sue wrote: Hi Bruce, you could try and teach me hwow to make it with diagrams but surely i can buy a device that makes it. Can i? wishes Sue */Sue and he 4 Goldens/* >From: Bruce Anderson >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>SILLY QUESTION BUT . >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:41:11 -0400 > >Hi Suzy Sue, >For what you pay for a "small bottle" , you could make liters. >It is easy to do with simple equipment. >If you are interested I will send you diagrams and information to >get you started making CS for pennies per liter. > >Best wishes, >Bruce > >suzy sue wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >> >>so i have used CS, buying it in little bottles from Higher Nature >>in the United Kingdom where i live. >> >>It is very expensive from them, £30 for a small bottle...very small >>bottle. Can anyone advise me where the best and most reasonable >>place to buy CS from,(certainly ! dont know how to make it yet) >> >>I would love to experiement with my dogs with CS as one of my dogs >>who is 14 has liver trouble and i feel it could help her. >> >> Sorry for maybe being rather negative but i am quite willing to >>learn. >> >>Sue >> >>Seaford in the UK >> >> >> >> >>*/Sue and he 4 Goldens/* >> >From: William Missett >Reply-To: >>silver-list@eskimo.com >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: >>CS>Re: CS>Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:39:29 -0500 >> > >Same way you make collidial silver, except you use a copper >>electrode. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Dan Nave" >> >To: >Sent: >>Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:24 PM >Subject: CS>Re: >>CSer-Copper Bar > > > > How does one make colloidal ! copper? > >> > > > Dan > > > > > > From: William Missett wrote: > > Date: Wed, >>1 Sep 2004 08:50:44 > > > > >>-- >> >-- > > > > I AM having success with a rather pri! cey but >>effective colloidal > > copper > > generator, which floats in the >>pool and does its work through a small > > solar > > panel. > > > > >>It takes about three weeks before the copper level builds up to >>become > > effective, but once that level is reached, it keeps the >>pool clear > > with > > minimal chlorine added, > > > > It's made >>by Floatron, P.O. Box 51000, Phoenix Ariz., 85076, Tel. > > >>480-345-. The cost is about $300, but it is worth it for its > >> > effectiveness. (I do not hold stock in this company.) &! gt; > > > > >> > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for >>discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing >>are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your >>message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: >>http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >! ; > > >>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-li! s...@eskim o.com >> > > OT Archive: >>http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > >>List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Cs dangers..
I started taking CS because my immune system was ALREADY compromised and I was getting lots of colds, flu, and so forth. I think it was just the result of years of bad diet and of getting older. Also, my wife was a school teacher and the schools are just a hotbed of disease, and she brought all this stuff home. Anyway, since I started taking CS, I have been enormously less susceptible to disease - I have had only one cold in the last three years, and even that was due to negligence and over-confidence and could have been avoided. It feels to me like, far from being weakened, my immune system is getting stronger because it is no longer being overrun and has had time to rest and regenerate. Part of the rest and regeneration is a big improvement in my diet and exercise, and, of course, that should be part of the program along with the CS. So, no, I don't think it is a concern as long as it is part of an overall health program. Del - Original Message - From: "David" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Cs dangers.. I have a question I hope someone has an answer or some thoughts on. I pretty much preach CS to my friends telling them the health benefits. I am a firm believer in taking a lot as I know it isn't going to hurt me and only help. One of my friends brought out a point I never thought about and I am not sure how valid of an argument this is. She sees the benefits of taking a small amount of CS to support her immune system but she says by taking too much CS, even taking it everyday, it (the CS) becomes your immune system and suppresses the body's natural ability to become immune to things it comes in contact with from day to day. Is this really a danger or concern we should have? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Cs dangers..
I have a question I hope someone has an answer or some thoughts on. I pretty much preach CS to my friends telling them the health benefits. I am a firm believer in taking a lot as I know it isnt going to hurt me and only help. One of my friends brought out a point I never thought about and I am not sure how valid of an argument this is. She sees the benefits of taking a small amount of CS to support her immune system but she says by taking too much CS, even taking it everyday, it (the CS) becomes your immune system and suppresses the bodys natural ability to become immune to things it comes in contact with from day to day. Is this really a danger or concern we should have? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Iraq CS Challenge
At 06:30 AM 02/09/04, you wrote: One tool for obtaining distilled water is the Water Cone, tho you're probably looking a larger production capacity: http://www.watercone.com/product.html jr Has any of our experts looked at the possibilities here? Would it be of sufficient quality to use for CS? They of course are talking about Seawater/brackish water, but what about simply turgid water - typical bush creek? What a great Charity project: along my favourite lines: "If I give a man a fish etc." Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CS
That thing has been around for ages..at $300 back when that was real money. [Time discount] and solar cells were very expensive [cheaper solar technology evens it all out] Cool beans What's the output voltage of the Floatron? Ode >I AM having success with a rather pricey but effective colloidal >copper >generator, which floats in the pool and does its work through a small >solar >panel. > >It takes about three weeks before the copper level builds up to become >effective, but once that level is reached, it keeps the pool clear >with >minimal chlorine added, > >It's made by Floatron, P.O. Box 51000, Phoenix Ariz., 85076, Tel. >480-345-. The cost is about $300, but it is worth it for its >effectiveness. (I do not hold stock in this company.) > > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Iraq CS Challenge
It doesn't take much. It seems that only a few parts per billion will sterilize water but the weaker the CS the longer it must sit. I believe the BYU study shows 6 minutes at 3 PPM? Off hand, a few inchs of silver, a nine volt battery or old car battery, a few minutes in a gallon of water and let it sit for several hours for the silver to do its thing. Have it tested at the local water treatment plant to get the right combination? ..or human testing..which will be ongoing anyhow if it's not done. My merchant marine cousin has a silver ion water treatment unit treating his ships water. Ode Tooo much info http://www.lenntech.com/water-disinfection/disinfectants-copper-silver-ionization.htm - http://www.doulton.ca/vol3-5_1may73.html SILVER CLEARS UP POLLUTED WATER Russian scientists working on water recycling and purification problems for the Soviet space ship and orbiting station program have decided on silver as the best long-term sanitizing agent. Researching the problems of water storage over periods of several months, as well as purification for immediate use, they determined that ionized silver provides the safest and longest lasting method of transtbrmiug polluted waste into potable water. A significant fact in support of their decision to use silver tbr purification was their experimental confirmation of the absence of toxicity in the silver treated water. In lengthy experiments on animals they found that 100 parts and 200 parts of silver per billion in drink-ing water does not accmnulate in the organism and does not produce any detrimental effect on the functioning of the organs or systems of the experimental animals. This was also confirmed by year long experiments on volunteer human subjects. The concentration of silver used in these tests . . . 100 parts and 200 parts per billion . . . is in striking comparison with the 10 to 50 parts per billion of silver found in potable water and in swimming pools treated by silver purification systems in the United States. The scientists, Drs.. S. V. Chizhov. S. P. Pak, N. N. Sitnikova and Y. U. Koloskova. tried many methods of purifying regenerated water but all except the silver system proved unsatisfactory over the long run. Ultra-violet rays and ultra-high-frequency sound reduced micro-organisms by as much as 97% but water thus treated failed to meet standards of acceptibility if the water were stored for any considerable period of time. Chlorine, which is widely used to kill bacteria, requires dosages in thousands of parts per billion compared to the 100 ppb and 200 ppb used in the Russian tests; the chlorine itself is a pollntant fbr certain water uses and it often is dangerous to store or handle. In sum, the Russians found silver to be the safest sterilizing agent, stable, and long-lasting. The research also showed that decontaminated water may change in reaction to its container. They concluded that polyethylene containers are suitable for the short-term storage of silver-ionized water. For long-term storage of a few months or more, they decided it is better to use a vessel made of polymers of the fluorine plastic group, or metal containers of vitreous enameled aluninum alloy (for lightness in a space ship). Included among the many experiments conducted by Dr. Chizhov and his associates were those designed to assay the purification of water condensed from the atmosphere inside a simulated space vehicle. The quantity of microorganisms in the regenerated water before the introduction of the ionized silver varied from 200 to 1,900 microbiological parts per milliliter. Tests of the water made 15 to 20 minutes after contact with the ionized silver showed in most cases that in this 15 to 20 minute period, full sterilization had occurred. In a few cases, complete purity was achieved only after 30 to 40 minutes of exposure. Study of controlled samples of the water after 24 to 72 hours showed the continned and complete absence of microorganisms. The Russians also suggested that the regeneration of water from the byproducts of human activity seems feasible through the use of silver ions as the decontamination agent. In this application they found it desirable to introduce silver ions into the water with the aid of various filtering materials in order to provide the slow dissolving of the silver. Designing the filter and selecting the form in which silver is introduced will allow engineers to establish any desired concentration of silver ions in a given volume of water, they believe. Doulton Drinking Water Filter Treatment Systems Product Catalog. Includes water purification and drinking water filter systems which use cleanable Doulton ceramic drinking water filter candles and H2O International Inc. drinking water filter cartridges - http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/water-education2/87-water-disinfection2.htm SILVER Silver in various forms has been used to inhibit the growth of microorganisms. It is most freq
Re: CS>Re: CS
Silver has a much lower melting point than copper. [below red hot] Why not heat a sheet of shiny copper on an electric stove burner and melt silver onto one side of it? Ode At 10:00 AM 9/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I believe you could make a similar device quite easily by using copper >tubing, and silver wire. Simply wind the silver wire around the copper >tube and silver solder at the ends. The only problem might be cleaning >it. > >Marshall > >brick...@aol.com wrote: > >> A Nature2 cartridge treats only 1000 gallons. OK for a hot tub but a >> little short for the swimming pool. I believe they are around $22. >> If I wanted to treat my swimming pool I would need 8 cartridges. Two >> years ago I used 8 gallons of CS and 1 gallon of CCu in my pool. >> Christmas tree customers were remaking how clean my pool water was. I >> can make CS much cheaper than the Nature2 cartridge but I leave for >> Arizona after Christmas and trust one of my sons to take care of the >> hot tub. He sometimes forgets. It might be better to buy a cartridge >> to use when I am down south, and he could pretty well forget the >> chemicals.Brickey > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>SILLY QUESTION BUT .....
Thank you Ninah for the sites. and yes i agree with you about learning wishes Sue Sue and he 4 Goldens>From: "Nenah Sylver" >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >To: >Subject: Re: CS>SILLY QUESTION BUT . >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:35:02 -0400 > > >- Original Message - >From: "suzy sue" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:04 PM >Subject: Re: CS>SILLY QUESTION BUT . > > > > Hi Bruce, you could try and teach me hwow to make it with diagrams but surely >i can buy a device that makes it. Can i? > > > > wishes Sue > > >Sue, > >Your questions are not silly at all. We learn by asking. If you don't know >something, you have to start at the beginning. There is no crime in not knowing >and wanting to learn; it's worse to not know and not want to learn ;-) > >Here are some links to colloidal silver manufacturers and information: > >http://www.silverpuppy.com> > >http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/ > >http://www.sotainstruments.com/products.html > >http://www.eskimo.com/~mdevour/silver-list/ > >http://www.csprosystems.com/BYU_Bacteria_Testing.html > >http://www.silver-lightning.com/ > >http://www.utopiasilver.com/ > >http://argyria.info/ > >http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tutorials/Intro/pcs1.html > >http://www.silverlon.com/ > >http://www.accu-thump.com/cs.html > >http://www.keelynet.com/biology/colloid.htm > > >Blessings, >Nenah > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-lis! t...@eskimo .com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
