Re: CS>Checking the quality of your CS
CS>Checking the quality of your CS
From: Revonda Henderson
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:10:35
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> Is there anywhere you can send a sample of your CS to have the
> quality of your product checked?
Hi Revonda,
It is not necessary to spend the big bucks to have a complete lab
analysis done, especially when you it may be difficult to locate two
labs that give similar results. Then you have to decide which one is
right.
The thing you are really interested in is the ionic content, which
you can measure with a Hanna Pure Water Tester (PWT). With normal
cs, the reading in microsiemens (uS) is equal to the ion content in
parts-per-million (ppm). In other words, 1 uS = 1 ppm.
The main cost of an analysis is the the particulate content. This is
of no real interest since it is composed of oxides of silver, which
are biologically inert and useless against bacteria and viruses. So
why waste the money?
If you are using the 3 nines process, you will find large variations
in ppm due to the fast rise in current near the end of the brew. In
this case, a full lab report is also not worth the money, since you
will probably never make another brew like it.
If you are using a constant current generator, such as the
Silverpuppy or Silvergen, you can calculate the amount of silver
released at the anode using the Faraday equations. Roger Schafley's
Mercury is an extremely useful program, since it will figure out how
to do the calculations for you, and you don't have to mess with the
algebra. You can download the program here:
http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/calculus/mrcry209/.html
Now all you need are the unit conversions. Here is a list you can
copy to a file, then load into Mercury:
Cou = I * sec ; total number of Coulombs
esec = I / 1.60217733e-19; electrons per second
gm = k * I * sec ; Faraday's equation
isin = esec / sqin ; ions per sq. in. per sec
isnm = isin / 6.45e14 ; ions per square nanometer per sec
k= 107.868 / 96485 ; Coulombs required per gram of silver
lt = 3.785 * gal ; convert gallons to litres
lt = ml / 1000 ; convert millilitres to litres
mg = gm * 1000 ; convert grams to milligrams
ml = 29.57 * oz ; convert ounce to milliliters
phr = ppm / hrs ; ppm per hour
ppm = mg / lt ; convert to ppm
sec = hrs * 3600 + mnt * 60 ; convert hours to seconds
uAin = 1e6 * I / sqin ; current density in uA per sq in
Now you can append your data parameters. Here's the ones I use for
Godzilla, one of my cs generators:
I= 1.544e-3 ; current in Amperes
ml = 2000 ; volume of dw in millilitres
mnt = 0 ; minutes
ppm = 20 ; target ppm
sqin = 11.5 ; wetted area
When you ask Mercury to solve this, you will get a list of values
like the following:
Cou = 0.001544*sec
= +35.7789149701487
I= +0.001544
sec = 3600*hrs
= +23172.8723899927
esec = +9.6368858246172E+15
gm = 0.0062141627320309*hrs
= +0.040 {= +1 / 25 }
k= +0.00111797688759911
isin = +8.3799007170584E+14
sqin = +11.500{= +23 / 2 }
isnm = +1.29920941349743
lt = +2.000
gal = +0.52840158520476 {= +400 / 757 }
ml = +2000.0
mg = 6.2141627320309*hrs
= +40.
oz = +67.6361176868448{= +20 / 2957 }
phr = 20/hrs
= +3.1070813660154
ppm = +20.000
hrs = +6.4369089972202
mnt = 0.
uAin = +134.260869565217{= +3088 / 23 }
The ppm is the 4th parameter from the bottom. You can compare this
with the uS reading on the Hanna and see how much silver was
converted to oxide.
If doesn't make any sense, don't worry. Just measure the conductance
with the Hanna and try to keep it similar from one run to the next.
The exact value doesn't matter as much as consistency. This allows
you to determine the amount you need to take depending on the state
of your health. For example, if you have a sore throat and you know
you are coming down with something, it's nice to be able to plunk
the Hanna in a fresh brew and know the cs will be strong enough to
kill the bugs.
Hope this helps!
Best Wishes,
Mike Monett
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Re: CS>Checking the quality of your CS
Don't forget "Ole Bob Robert Berger E-mail Address(es): bober...@swbell.net Personal Information: Address: System Tech Engineering 12303 E. 89th St. Kansas City Mo. 64138-5150 - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: CS>Checking the quality of your CS > > I believe Natural Immunogenics can do it and Mesosilver has a lab that can do it as well. You may want to call and ask them. Phone #s should be on their websites. > > Steve > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>test
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Re: CS>Pathogen Die Off Products - Detritus or Toxins?
Just to give some idea of how complex this topic is, and how important: In Japan several years ago, a number of children died from e-coli O-157. The cause of infection was never determined with certainty; some even suspected that the cult AUM Shinrikyo had poisoned water tanks on apartment roofs, as all the infected persons supposedly lived in such complexes.For our purposes though, the important point was the some doctors evidently erred in attacking the bacteria either too aggressively or too late; it was evidently toxins released from the body of the dead bacteria that took the lives of the children. I am not a doctor so I can not even speculate about all the implications and ramifications for CS users.Perhaps someone else can advise us. JBB On Friday, Nov 5, 2004, at 23:51 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote: In the interest of semantics -- not all the "die off" products of pathogens are toxins. Toxins are injurious to health. But not all detritus / debris from dying or dead pathogens are injurious, however they do present a load that the system must remove. It may serve to be specific that these "bread down products" are not ALL toxins, in that the term toxin can cause unwarranted fear and we all know about the placebo effect. While detritus can cause a herxheimer, initially defined by Karl Herxheimer, a German dermatologist 1861 - 1942, caused by the release of protein antigens after treatment for syphyllis and causing an allergic reaction, not all detritus causes an adverse reaction. Break down products or "detritus" imply the need to clear the material but does not imply the same level of possible toxic reaction. Perhaps this will reduce the fear some people have of using CS, in the early stages of their exploration of its use, and will serve to encourage them to address the need to clear the detritus by appropriate means. Be it drinking large amounts of pure water, acidifying, blood purifiers, liver and kidney support and cleanses etc. A good discussion of the many methods for aiding the body in clearing the detritus AND toxins of pathogen die off would be a great addition to this list. Garnet === http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/2641.html Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction A transient inflammatory reaction following treatment with Salvarsan, mercury, or antibiotics of early and later stages of syphilis. = http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/3161.html Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction Also known as: Herxheimer's reaction Associated persons: Karl Herxheimer Adolf Jarisch Description: A transient inflammatory reaction following treatment with Salvarsan, mercury, or antibiotics of early and later stages of syphilis. It is seen in 50% of patients with primary syphilis and about 90% of patients with secondary syphilis. Also seen in other diseases, such as borreliosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, and trichinellosis. It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgias, and exacerbation of cutaneous lesions. Duration is normally only a few hours. The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present. Herxheimer observed his reaction on patients he had treated with mercury. http://dictionary.reference.com Toxin - A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins. Detritus - Loose fragments or grains that have been worn away from rock. a. Disintegrated or eroded matter: the detritus of past civilizations. b. Accumulated material; debris: On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 04:27, marmar...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/4/04 5:02:30 PM Central Standard Time, dave.le...@qualityelectronicdesigns.com writes: The thing I worry about is not the silver doing damage but the neuro toxins produced on the die-off doing the damage. Slow recovery is better than a fast one if you are going to cause a large die-off and maybe brain damage due to large neuro toxins produced by the die-off of the bacteria. Hi Dave. We do see this in the horses being treated for EPM with CS -- a die-off of the protozoa being dumped into the bloodstream, which you could consider neuro toxins since the protozoa inhabit neurological cells -- so they get worse before they get better. But it doesn't result in brain damage - in fact the horses that have cerebral lesions invariably get better too. But I agree with you -- slow recovery is better than a fast one, particularly if you're not dealing with a life-threatening situation. Frequently, with the horses, we ARE dealing with a life-threatening situation -- well, ultimately all EPM horses are life-threatened -- and we don't need to be being conservative. Just thought you might be a little bit comforted by the fact that brain damage
RE: CS>Need info on generator (best deal on a ready made $20 unit)
Some one on this Site makes a CS generator that fits on a 1 gallon distilled water jug--I've lost my reference--can anyone please help? Many thanks, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: scl...@netzero.com [mailto:scl...@netzero.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Need info on generator (best deal on a ready made $20 unit) Actually the best cheap bare bones manual unit is from V man for $20 here http://photoman.bizland.com/godzilla/silvermaker.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:CS>H2O2 and CS
Marshall: I make Colloidal Gold. How much H2O2 would you guess to add to one pint ? I will try it. Bill Amos -- Here is a theory as to why when H2O2 is added to CS, the tyndall goes away and it seems to be very potentiated. H2O2 reacts with the silver in the particles producing Ag2O and H2O. 2H2O2 then reacts with the Ag2O producing 2Ag and O2 and H2O. The 2Ag are monatomic but form a Cooper pair between them, and the group of all the monoatomic silver atoms form a distributed Bose-Einstein Condensate. This results in a form of superconductivity on a small scale, which would increase the catalytic and electron donation capability of silver by a huge amount. So what could be happening is that this addition of H2O2 is creating monatomic silver, which along with monatomic gold and mercury are reported to have unexpected physical and health properties. See some of the work by David Hudson on monatomic gold and silver properties and benefits for more information on this. Just an idea to consider. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>H2O2 and CS
Here is a theory as to why when H2O2 is added to CS, the tyndall goes away and it seems to be very potentiated. H2O2 reacts with the silver in the particles producing Ag2O and H2O. 2H2O2 then reacts with the Ag2O producing 2Ag and O2 and H2O. The 2Ag are monatomic but form a Cooper pair between them, and the group of all the monoatomic silver atoms form a distributed Bose-Einstein Condensate. This results in a form of superconductivity on a small scale, which would increase the catalytic and electron donation capability of silver by a huge amount. So what could be happening is that this addition of H2O2 is creating monatomic silver, which along with monatomic gold and mercury are reported to have unexpected physical and health properties. See some of the work by David Hudson on monatomic gold and silver properties and benefits for more information on this. Just an idea to consider. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator-SILVERPUPPY
I second the recommendation for the Silverpuppy. I have been extraordinarily pleased with mine and use it daily. I researched and asked around a lot before making my purchase, and the Silverpuppy was the most mentioned to me. The one thing most people emphasized to me, however, was to spend the extra $30 or so dollars and get the magnetic stirring unit, which I did. It's super easy to use, and I like that you just watch for the light to go out, and you're ready to go! The CS is lovely and clear. Their customer service is also fantastic. I had a problem with my magnetic stir unit after a couple of days of use, and they sent me out another one, which I received within two days. I haven't had a moment's trouble since, and they were also very willing to answer my questions. I highly recommend it! Rene' ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/05/04 12:06:27 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Need info on generator Hello, I am dealing with a CNS disorder. After a ton of research, I truly believe CS can help me. I am going to buy a generator but I want to be sure I get a good one. Any recommendations? I'm sure you all get this question a lot, if so I apologize. You can e-mail me direct if you wish. Any input on treating central nervous system disorders is also appreciated. Dana -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>
Thank you, Steve! Stories like this are very helpful to me. I do feel like I've been led to this natural miracle!! Rene' ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/05/04 11:33:19 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS> CS has delivered me from many a stomach virus. I remember when I was in Hong Kong with a friend and he got a bad case of stomach virus with the runs I brought several cs bottles on this trip because I knew people in our group would be getting sick either on the plane or on the ground. I told him to drink all 8oz within a few hours. The next day he felt 80% better and the third day healed. CS will knock out any stomach virus easily. Gatorade only speeds it up a little and helps it penetrate faster. Don't worry, be happy. God has placed everything we need on this earth for healing. CS is one of HIS awesome healing supplements. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>
Hi Paul, I have heard of NLP and actually did some brief research on it. I also tried to find someone in my local area (Richmond, VA) who specialized in NLP and could find no one. I've spent so much money on therapies - traditional, hypnosis, books, tapes, you name it - that I guess I was (and am) feeling like nothing will work for me. I am intrigued that you were able to cure someone that had had a phobia since childhood. That has been my struggle - that because I have had this for so long (as I said, 30 years), that I feel it is just so deeply ingrained in my psyche that there is no hope of ever pushing it out. I'm also very strong willed and have major control issues, so it seems like most therapies just won't "penetrate" for me. I am absolutely going to read up on the site you sent, however. I'm willing to try most anything! Thank you very much for the info. Rene' ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/05/04 08:41:01 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS> Rene wrote: > I have suffered for over 30 years with emetophobia (fear of > vomiting). Have you come across the Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) fast phobia cure? I have used it with several people and have had a lot of success with it, and cured myself of a lifelong fear of heights quickly and easily. It took me 15 minutes to cure a work colleague of a wasp phobia she had since childhood. The technique is given here http://www.xanatos.com/fsc/phobia.html but I would suggest going to a therapist with experience in this. You can do it yourself, but it is a lot easier with assistance. The danger is that you can trigger the phobic response. I know this is way off topic, but there may be other people with phobias here who might benefit from this. Best wishes, Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Newbie
Hi Garnet! Yes, I've had two laparoscopies, one when I was 22 and the other at 29. I had laser ablation at 22 of several lesions. There were very few that had to be ablated at 29. Most of my pain was from scar tissue from the initial laser surgery. I don't know if all of my pain and bleeding problems have been due to the endometriosis, however. My mother had similar problems and hers were due to uterine fibroids. I don't know if I share that problem. I have wondered as well if there wasn't an underlying infection that CS treated. The pain was really excruciating at times, and that is completely gone now. I have found, though, that my periods in general are better. I ve always (all my menstrual life) been plagued with bad cramping, and that has been relieved as well. I wish I could say I know why it worked, but it certainly seemed to! Excuse my ignorance, but what is DMSO? As I said, my husband does get a lot of burns due to his business, so remedies to keep on hand would certainly be a plus. do you also find that CS, and perhaps the DMSO, help with reduction in scarring? Thank you for your info! Rene' ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/05/04 10:20:10 To: Silver List Subject: CS>Newbie Welcome to our list. Interesting that CS has seemed to help your endometriosis. Were you diagnosed with laparoscopy? How was the diagnosis confirmed? Could it have been only a slight metritis (infection of the uterine lining) and not endometriosis at all, which involves uterine tissue that has been displaced to the perioneal cavity through the open eneded fallopian tubes. For your husbands burns may I also suggest DMSO, mixed with CS 1:9 or 2:8, it is quite helpful in carrying the CS into tissues as well as having many therapeutic actions by itself. In the case of of burns DMSO alone, applied immediately, will normalize the traumatized cells to the point that no burn will be detectable. With CS it will further control any infection. As well it is thought that CS causes some cells at the wound site to revert to stem cells speeding healing. For detailed information on its use you can serach the archives of this list or the below DMSO list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour .
Re: CS>Need info on generator
CS and DMSO together should reach the BBB. I too recommend magpulsing and blood electrification. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator (best deal on a ready made $20 unit)
Actually the best cheap bare bones manual unit is from V man for $20 here http://photoman.bizland.com/godzilla/silvermaker.htm his prices are good on LED arrays and blood electrifiers too. Good guy. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator
If you want to kill them in the brain, try Rife, or magnetic pulsing. Marshall fl...@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the info Steve. I have neuro-lyme. I had a positive western blot > (9 +bands) . ABX therapy only hurt me. I have to get past the BBB. What is the > best way to get cs past the BBB? > > Dana > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator
Two possibilities. Mixing with Gatorade, or citric acid, and mixing with DMSO. Can't say that either will work though. Marshall fl...@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the info Steve. I have neuro-lyme. I had a positive western blot > (9 +bands) . ABX therapy only hurt me. I have to get past the BBB. What is the > best way to get cs past the BBB? > > Dana > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator
Thanks for the info Steve. I have neuro-lyme. I had a positive western blot (9 +bands) . ABX therapy only hurt me. I have to get past the BBB. What is the best way to get cs past the BBB? Dana -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator
Dear Dana, Do you want to know how to make your own simple generator, for about 20 bucks for the parts? If so, let me know and I`ll email you the directions (for free). Marshalee > Hello, I am dealing with a CNS disorder. After a ton of research, I truly > believe CS can help me. I am going to buy a generator but I want to be sure I get > a good one. Any recommendations? I'm sure you all get this question a lot, if > so I apologize. You can e-mail me direct if you wish. Any input on treating > central nervous system disorders is also appreciated. > > Dana > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Checking the quality of your CS
I believe Natural Immunogenics can do it and Mesosilver has a lab that can do it as well. You may want to call and ask them. Phone #s should be on their websites. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need info on generator
The two standard list recommnedations are the Silvergen SG6 at Silvergen.com and the Silverpuppy at Silverpuppy.com . Both are fully automatic and make excellent CS. I have both and can tell you that many folks have been healed of numerous ailments using the CS from these two generators. Both designers of these units are also forum members and very helpful. What CNS disorder are you dealing with? Some folks on the forum have experience with using colloidal silver for CNS disorders. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>SLCUA Ver. 1.5
Silver-List Commonly Used Acronyms - Version 1.5 Last Updated Nov. 5th, 2004 Common Silver Acronyms: Ag+ : Silver Ion (i.e. positive charge) Ag : Silver CS : Colloidal Silver MSP : Mild Silver Protein EIS : Electrically Isolated Silver Common Power Source Acronyms: A: Amps AC : Alternating Current DC : Direct Current HVAC : High Voltage Alternating Current LVDC : Low Voltage Direct Current (typically 3 or 4 nine volt batteries) mA : milliamps mV : Millivolts V: Volts Common Tester Acronyms: PWT : Pure Water Tester (Hanna Instruments) TDS : Total Dissolved Solids TDS1 : Total Dissolved Solids Tester (model 1 from Hanna Instruments) Common Testing and/or Measuring Acronyms: AA : Atomic Absorption mg/L : Milligrams per Litre (= PPM for colloidal silver) mg : Milligram mL : Millilitre OZ : Ounce PPB : Parts Per Billion PPM : Parts Per Million TE : Tyndall Effect uS : MicroSiemens Not specifically CS related, but still used often enough on the Silver-List to be mentioned: ABX : Antibiotics CC : Colloidal Copper CG : Colloidal Gold CMO : Cetyl Myristoleate (dietary supplement) DMSO : Dimethyl Sulfoxide DW : Distilled Water FDA : Food and Drug Administration FTC : Federal Trade Commission H2O2 : Hydrogen Peroxide HCl : Hydrochloric Acid, (i.e. stomach acid) IV : Intravenous MSM : Methyl-Sulfonyl-Methane (dietary supplement) NaCl : Table Salt RA : Rheumatoid Arthritis Helpful Points and Definitions: in-vitro : Outside the body (test tube) in-vivo : Inside the body PPM is expressed in mg per liter (i.e. weight of silver to a kilogram of water) If any additions, deletions or corrections need to be made, please contact James Allison ja...@sunstoneherbals.com ---EOF (End Of File) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Checking the quality of your CS
Is there anywhere you can send a sample of your CS to have the quality of your product checked?
CS>Need info on generator
Hello, I am dealing with a CNS disorder. After a ton of research, I truly believe CS can help me. I am going to buy a generator but I want to be sure I get a good one. Any recommendations? I'm sure you all get this question a lot, if so I apologize. You can e-mail me direct if you wish. Any input on treating central nervous system disorders is also appreciated. Dana -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>
CS has delivered me from many a stomach virus. I remember when I was in Hong Kong with a friend and he got a bad case of stomach virus with the runs. I brought several cs bottles on this trip because I knew people in our group would be getting sick either on the plane or on the ground. I told him to drink all 8oz within a few hours. The next day he felt 80% better and the third day healed. CS will knock out any stomach virus easily. Gatorade only speeds it up a little and helps it penetrate faster. Don't worry, be happy. God has placed everything we need on this earth for healing. CS is one of HIS awesome healing supplements. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Stainless steel...watch out. Richard
Thanks for that, Louise. Sally Louise wrote: I do not use soap, it removes some of the oil but also gives it a soapy taste not very good. I only use olive oil, the other types tend to get a rancid taste to them. I pick up a lot of used cast iron for this reason alone. I strip them down (sand blasting is the best way to clean them up) if the bottoms are rounded at all I make them into clocks to give as gifts (I use the inside as the front and make a special hanger and hang the back of the clock mechanism to the wall to keep it parallel to the wall. Makes a great gift. As for the frying pans I do use I coat with oil and put in the oven to start to get a "patina" of oil on it. Then I only use hot water and stainless steel wool to clean off the pans (well not quite true as I also use an old sink drain strainer with sharp unrolled edges to scrape off the surface first, center post removed) then wipe it dry with paper towel put on round and dry (not on high just enough to make sure it is very dry) then give a little wipe of olive oil. This will keep them nice and stick free (well always remembering that the pan needs to be warmed up before use and not to put stuff in a cold pan, then they always stick and you then lose a little of the coating cleaning it) As you can see I love my cast iron frying pans and have a collection of them. I give them as gifts and teach people how to care for them so they also will have great love of them. Louise -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
Re: CS>Need for a FAQ page or link
I could write a search engine if I knew the files to look in for the subject, from, and body, and the formt of them. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: > Mike (Devour), > > Can you not make a FAQ page on the Silver List home page > or a link which would lead to an informational page somewhere > where there could be a file on Acronyms and a CS FAQ sheet, > or post highlights such as Mike Monet's recent remarks about CS and the > > blood brain barrier? > > I know it would be some work, but it may cut down effort in the long > run. > > Also, why not take up Mike's offer to create a better search > engine?... > > Thanks, > > Dan > > Re: CS> CS and the blood-brain barrier > > From: John W (view other messages by this author) > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:05:13 > > > > OK, I give up. What is EIS? This forum is getting way to many acronyms, > lets > type in English for us who are not first letter physics. > Thanks, John > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Need for a FAQ page or link
Mike (Devour), Can you not make a FAQ page on the Silver List home page or a link which would lead to an informational page somewhere where there could be a file on Acronyms and a CS FAQ sheet, or post highlights such as Mike Monet's recent remarks about CS and the blood brain barrier? I know it would be some work, but it may cut down effort in the long run. Also, why not take up Mike's offer to create a better search engine?... Thanks, Dan Re: CS> CS and the blood-brain barrier From: John W (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:05:13 OK, I give up. What is EIS? This forum is getting way to many acronyms, lets type in English for us who are not first letter physics. Thanks, John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Newbie
Welcome to our list. Interesting that CS has seemed to help your endometriosis. Were you diagnosed with laparoscopy? How was the diagnosis confirmed? Could it have been only a slight metritis (infection of the uterine lining) and not endometriosis at all, which involves uterine tissue that has been displaced to the perioneal cavity through the open eneded fallopian tubes. For your husbands burns may I also suggest DMSO, mixed with CS 1:9 or 2:8, it is quite helpful in carrying the CS into tissues as well as having many therapeutic actions by itself. In the case of of burns DMSO alone, applied immediately, will normalize the traumatized cells to the point that no burn will be detectable. With CS it will further control any infection. As well it is thought that CS causes some cells at the wound site to revert to stem cells speeding healing. For detailed information on its use you can serach the archives of this list or the below DMSO list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Richard
I have heard this from the time I was a young child. It is true that soap residue can flavor the pan, that said I have occasionally used a dilute soap solution without this effect so it may depend on the kind and concentration, as well as if it is allowed to soak or heavily scrubbed. Iron is given off when cooking in cast iron so if one is concerned about too much iron then it should not be used. Also do not cook acidic foods like tomatoes in cast iron. It reacts with the iron. Not sure if it takes the coating off, or just puts too much iron in your food. Garnet On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 03:00, kent wrote: > Richard I also use cast-iron frying pans. It is my understanding you're not > to use soap. Only hot water. My cast-iron pan was cured using oil. I was > told that the soap takes off the oil coating. Anyone else hear this? > Kent (I apologize Mike for my earlier political comment) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Pathogen Die Off Products - Detritus or Toxins?
In the interest of semantics -- not all the "die off" products of pathogens are toxins. Toxins are injurious to health. But not all detritus / debris from dying or dead pathogens are injurious, however they do present a load that the system must remove. It may serve to be specific that these "bread down products" are not ALL toxins, in that the term toxin can cause unwarranted fear and we all know about the placebo effect. While detritus can cause a herxheimer, initially defined by Karl Herxheimer, a German dermatologist 1861 - 1942, caused by the release of protein antigens after treatment for syphyllis and causing an allergic reaction, not all detritus causes an adverse reaction. Break down products or "detritus" imply the need to clear the material but does not imply the same level of possible toxic reaction. Perhaps this will reduce the fear some people have of using CS, in the early stages of their exploration of its use, and will serve to encourage them to address the need to clear the detritus by appropriate means. Be it drinking large amounts of pure water, acidifying, blood purifiers, liver and kidney support and cleanses etc. A good discussion of the many methods for aiding the body in clearing the detritus AND toxins of pathogen die off would be a great addition to this list. Garnet === http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/2641.html Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction A transient inflammatory reaction following treatment with Salvarsan, mercury, or antibiotics of early and later stages of syphilis. = http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/3161.html Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction Also known as: Herxheimer's reaction Associated persons: Karl Herxheimer Adolf Jarisch Description: A transient inflammatory reaction following treatment with Salvarsan, mercury, or antibiotics of early and later stages of syphilis. It is seen in 50% of patients with primary syphilis and about 90% of patients with secondary syphilis. Also seen in other diseases, such as borreliosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, and trichinellosis. It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgias, and exacerbation of cutaneous lesions. Duration is normally only a few hours. The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present. Herxheimer observed his reaction on patients he had treated with mercury. http://dictionary.reference.com Toxin - A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins. Detritus - Loose fragments or grains that have been worn away from rock. a. Disintegrated or eroded matter: the detritus of past civilizations. b. Accumulated material; debris: On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 04:27, marmar...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/04 5:02:30 PM Central Standard Time, > dave.le...@qualityelectronicdesigns.com writes: > > > The thing I worry about is not > > the silver doing damage but the neuro toxins produced on the die-off > > doing > > the damage. Slow recovery is better than a fast one if you are > > going to > > cause a large die-off and maybe brain damage due to large neuro > > toxins > > produced by the die-off of the bacteria. > > > Hi Dave. We do see this in the horses being treated for EPM with CS > -- a die-off of the protozoa being dumped into the bloodstream, which > you could consider neuro toxins since the protozoa inhabit > neurological cells -- so they get worse before they get better. But > it doesn't result in brain damage - in fact the horses that have > cerebral lesions invariably get better too. But I agree with you -- > slow recovery is better than a fast one, particularly if you're not > dealing with a life-threatening situation. Frequently, with the > horses, we ARE dealing with a life-threatening situation -- well, > ultimately all EPM horses are life-threatened -- and we don't need to > be being conservative. Just thought you might be a little bit > comforted by the fact that brain damage just isn't part of the > package. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> Graviola & -pill maker
steve, Your prices are better than mine, Raintree was the best place for Graviola, then others come in to it with cheaper prices, now I see your right, Raintree is cheaper. The pill maker price went down too. Mine is 12 years old, but they were $18.00 when I first got one. who-ray, for competition. Graviola is worth much more for what it can do with it, because it is pure fiber too so another side effect is the fiber intake. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. scl...@netzero.com wrote: This is the lowest price I have found on a 00 capsule maker ($6.59) and also the lowest price on the capsules (750 gel capsules for $7.69). I did searches on all the big search engines and wound up at this website. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/cap2.html I have not used it yet but this seems to be the standard unit most health food stores sell and I see all over the net. My friend recommended it to me and he makes tons of capsules and buys his own herbs in bulk. For Graviola Powder this site sells it at a very good price. I couldn't find it any cheaper at $16.35/lb http://www.fubao.bigstep.com/mis/graviola.htm Steve Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>
Rene wrote: I have suffered for over 30 years with emetophobia (fear of vomiting). Have you come across the Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) fast phobia cure? I have used it with several people and have had a lot of success with it, and cured myself of a lifelong fear of heights quickly and easily. It took me 15 minutes to cure a work colleague of a wasp phobia she had since childhood. The technique is given here http://www.xanatos.com/fsc/phobia.html but I would suggest going to a therapist with experience in this. You can do it yourself, but it is a lot easier with assistance. The danger is that you can trigger the phobic response. I know this is way off topic, but there may be other people with phobias here who might benefit from this. Best wishes, Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Stainless steel...watch out. Richard
I do not use soap, it removes some of the oil but also gives it a soapy taste not very good. I only use olive oil, the other types tend to get a rancid taste to them. I pick up a lot of used cast iron for this reason alone. I strip them down (sand blasting is the best way to clean them up) if the bottoms are rounded at all I make them into clocks to give as gifts (I use the inside as the front and make a special hanger and hang the back of the clock mechanism to the wall to keep it parallel to the wall. Makes a great gift. As for the frying pans I do use I coat with oil and put in the oven to start to get a "patina" of oil on it. Then I only use hot water and stainless steel wool to clean off the pans (well not quite true as I also use an old sink drain strainer with sharp unrolled edges to scrape off the surface first, center post removed) then wipe it dry with paper towel put on round and dry (not on high just enough to make sure it is very dry) then give a little wipe of olive oil. This will keep them nice and stick free (well always remembering that the pan needs to be warmed up before use and not to put stuff in a cold pan, then they always stick and you then lose a little of the coating cleaning it) As you can see I love my cast iron frying pans and have a collection of them. I give them as gifts and teach people how to care for them so they also will have great love of them. Louise -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS Field & Particle Effects
Hello: Over the past year or so, I have come to discover that all material substances exhibit both 1) wave or field effects (energy) and 2) particle effects (matter). I had always assumed that when I ingested dietary supplements, vitamins and colloidal silver that I was benefiting from the particle nature of these substances. About 9 years ago, I remember my first journey into this knowledge before I actually knew any of the theory. I was at a conference and an associate had brought a friend who was suffering terribly from a rip roaring sinus infection. I don't think that there was one symptom lacking except perhaps a fever. It was the middle of the day and there was no colloidal silver to be had anywhere. I was new to CS at that time but had come to understand that CS caused microorganisms to die. I put my hand on the gentleman's forehead and said the following. "I've come to understand that silver destroys infections. God, you are better than silver and I release that part of you that is better, here on this person." His symptoms completely vanished. Any physicist will not argue with the general equation that matter = energy. It seems logical that if you alter one side of this equasion in any given situation, that there would be some effect on the other side. It would seem that when one ingests CS that it is the particle nature of the substance that one is benefitting from, however, CS would also have a wave nature and a wave effect. I'm not sure anymore whether it is the wave nature or the particle nature of CS that I benefit from when taking it. I followed the fellow at the conference around for three days to see if any symptoms returned but none did. I've since come to know that when we lay our hands on someone and speak over them, that energy is released or changed. Looking back now, I see that when I did this, the "energy" side of the equation was changed and there was a subsequent change in the "matter" side of the equation. Last year I became aware of at least one company that sold dietary supplements that they said had scalar wave energy in them and that when the supplements were taken, one benefitted from this energy product as well at the subtance itself. I guess the company had found a way to impart wave or field effects into a substance as a carrier for this type of energy. This year, I had two machines demonstrated to me the SCIO and the Biomeridian. Both machines have the capability to measure wave natures in the body through galvanic skin testing and/or biofeedback. Both machines have the capability to introduce field or wave natures of subtances into the body without the subtance actually being present and the body responds as though the substance had actually been ingested or taken. Generally any substance can have a disorganizing or an organizing effect on the body's energy systems. When a bottle of CS was introduced into the circut with a test subject, it showed that CS was very beneficial to their body and this result was repeated with several individuals. It certainly was interesting to see that demonstrated with devices that could measure human response. Has anyone else experimented or had the opportunity to see the field effect of CS in someone but without the substance and have you noticed effects one way or the other? Ian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> CS and the blood-brain barrier
In a message dated 11/4/04 5:02:30 PM Central Standard Time, dave.le...@qualityelectronicdesigns.com writes: > The thing I worry about is not > the silver doing damage but the neuro toxins produced on the die-off doing > the damage. Slow recovery is better than a fast one if you are going to > cause a large die-off and maybe brain damage due to large neuro toxins > produced by the die-off of the bacteria. Hi Dave. We do see this in the horses being treated for EPM with CS -- a die-off of the protozoa being dumped into the bloodstream, which you could consider neuro toxins since the protozoa inhabit neurological cells -- so they get worse before they get better. But it doesn't result in brain damage - in fact the horses that have cerebral lesions invariably get better too. But I agree with you -- slow recovery is better than a fast one, particularly if you're not dealing with a life-threatening situation. Frequently, with the horses, we ARE dealing with a life-threatening situation -- well, ultimately all EPM horses are life-threatened -- and we don't need to be being conservative. Just thought you might be a little bit comforted by the fact that brain damage just isn't part of the package. MA
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Richard
Richard I also use cast-iron frying pans. It is my understanding you're not to use soap. Only hot water. My cast-iron pan was cured using oil. I was told that the soap takes off the oil coating. Anyone else hear this? Kent (I apologize Mike for my earlier political comment) - Original Message - From: "Richard Harris" To: Cc: "Richard Harris" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Hi Jonathan, Thank you for all the good, helpful information you continually share with 'us seekers!" At age 81, I have been reared with cast-iron cookware that is cured by burning the inside over a fire, until it get coated. Upon use, we wash with hot soapy water and wipe with the wet dish cloth, allowing it to air-dry--My Mom cautioned--"Do Not Rinse soapy water off, or the pan will rust". Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell for sure. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
