CSbook recommendation
Denise, who is the author of the book that you recommended? I think it was called overdosed America thanks __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbook recommendation
Yes, Overdosed America by John Abramson, M.D. He was a family practitioner in private practice for years, and then went into research medicine. Here's a link to the book at Amazon if you'd like to read more about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060568526/qid=1110748153/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-8092274-0252108?v=glances=booksn=507846 Denise - Original Message - From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: CSbook recommendation Denise, who is the author of the book that you recommended? I think it was called overdosed America thanks __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol
YES, it is being sold but that does not mean it is not banned or that the internet site (if American) can not be persecuted by the FDA. Specifically it is a federal violation to offer for sale __Red Yeast Rice_ with any links to any medical claim such as the university study that indicates Red Yeast Rice is as effective as any prescription drug. Under that set of circumstances the FDA will classify Red Yeast Rice as a New Drug and take legal action against that individual for selling drugs without a federal license. In all honesty, people are buying those products (capsules, etc) with the intent of lowering their cholesterol. BTW, not everything on the internet is legal. And it is not that several products are similar to. It is specially that all Red Yeast Rice. contain statin which is the identifier in all cholesterol lowering drugs. Again similar to the ban on the Chinese herb Ma Huang because it contains ephedrine. As does other herbs which may fall under the FDA ban as well. Although many pharmacies OTC drugs remain on store shelf that also contain ephedrine ! It is at the discretion of the FDA and who they choose to persecute. The problem with home users is that there is truth in what the FDA is saying. (I can't believe I'm saying that !!) It is dangerous to combine Red Yeast Rice with cholesterol lowering drugs. IMO, cholesterol lowering drugs - not Red Yeast Rice - that should be banned. But the combination is life threatening. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol Red Yeast Rice hasn't been banned. It is available from dozens of websites. However, several products made from Red Yeast Rice are currently 'banned' because they are similar enough to patented drugs that patent infringement lawsuits have been filed. That is all. Nothing too insidius. What are all ya'll going to do in August of this year when NONE of your dire predictions come to pass? (Can you say Y2K?) George From: Denise Every To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol There is some report on the internet (can't find it now) that stated the FDA banned Red Yeast as a university study found red yeast to be ___effective as drugs___ I did a quick search and red yeast rice is still being sold, I found it on multiple sites, Vitamin Shoppe being one. I did find an article on WholeHealthMD.com that mentions the FDA withdrawing it, it said, In 2001, however, red yeast rice extract, a natural unregulated nutritional supplement, was withdrawn by the FDA. This decision followed the agency's determination that it was chemically too similar to the prescription statin medication Mevacor, and thus should be classified as a drug, which by law is strictly controlled by the federal government. But I don't know what the date of this article is, the web site has a copyright date of 2000... maybe the FDA took some other action since and reversed its 2001 decision? Denise
CSY2K?
What are all ya'll going to do in August of this year when NONE of your dire predictions come to pass? (Can you say Y2K?) I'm not sure what August has to with it, but the above question seems to reflect a dubious attitude towards the validity of the CODEX thing. Do you have any specific information that has lead you to believe that we have nothing to fear? Are you of the opinion that the pharmaceutical industry isn't trying to stop the sale of natural supplements? Or do you believe the US gov't won't cooperate with the CODEX agenda? I would love to have a good reason to believe this isn't going to happen, that it's not a real danger. Please explain your above comment. __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol
it is being sold but that does not mean it is not banned or that the internet site (if American) can not be persecuted by the FDA. It's also being advertised for sale in printed catalogs from some vitamin companies, not just the Internet. And the sites I mentioned the other day *were* from American companies. I think you meant 'prosecuted' by the FDA, though, not persecuted? Although persecuted is quite apt! G Specifically it is a federal violation to offer for sale __Red Yeast Rice_ with any links to any medical claim such as the university study that indicates Red Yeast Rice is as effective as any prescription drug. These are not being sold with any claims whatsoever, just that it is red yeast rice, period. Maybe that's how they're able to do so, by not making any claims or comparisons. BTW, not everything on the internet is legal. Really? Darn. :) Now I suppose you're going to tell me there is no Santa Claus! The problem with home users is that there is truth in what the FDA is saying. (I can't believe I'm saying that !!) I hear you... every once in a while the FDA does something that actually makes me suspect it might occasionally act in people's best interest, and not corporate best interest. But I imagine if there was corporate interest in this or other natural products, the FDA would find a way to accomodate them. It is dangerous to combine Red Yeast Rice with cholesterol lowering drugs. IMO, cholesterol lowering drugs - not Red Yeast Rice - that should be banned. But the combination is life threatening Well, this is of course important to know, anything that has possible interactions with other products should be made widely known. I totally agree with you about the statinsI think they're dangerous drugs, period. The more I read about them, the more concerned I am. It bothers me that my mother takes them and I can't seem to convince her that in her situation (a woman over 65) they offer her absolutely NO decreased risk of heart attack and higher risks of cancer. She is afraid to go against her doctor, or even question him about it...and there are so many people who think like that. Denise
CSRe[2]: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol
Hi Ed, The FDA is the one that should be banned. they have been the scourge of heath seeking individuals for more than 70 years. due to their suppression of cures and persecuting of anybody that finds new cures that are a competition to the fraudulent drug pushers they call the medical establishment. The FDA dose not have the people's best interest in mind. never did and never will. they are the cause of more deaths in this country than all the wars combined throughout history. they are the true mass murderers that make Hitler look like a kindergarten bully. Take care, V YES, it is being sold but that does not mean it is not banned or that the internet site (if American) can not be persecuted by the FDA. Specifically it is a federal violation to offer for sale __Red Yeast Rice_ with any links to any medical claim such as the university study that indicates Red Yeast Rice is as effective as any prescription drug. Under that set of circumstances the FDA will classify Red Yeast Rice as a New Drug and take legal action against that individual for selling drugs without a federal license. In all honesty, people are buying those products (capsules, etc) with the intent of lowering their cholesterol. BTW, not everything on the internet is legal. And it is not that several products are similar to. It is specially that all Red Yeast Rice. contain statin which is the identifier in all cholesterol lowering drugs. Again similar to the ban on the Chinese herb Ma Huang because it contains ephedrine. As does other herbs which may fall under the FDA ban as well. Although many pharmacies OTC drugs remain on store shelf that also contain ephedrine ! It is at the discretion of the FDA and who they choose to persecute. The problem with home users is that there is truth in what the FDA is saying. (I can't believe I'm saying that !!) It is dangerous to combine Red Yeast Rice with cholesterol lowering drugs. IMO, cholesterol lowering drugs - not Red Yeast Rice - that should be banned. But the combination is life threatening. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol Red Yeast Rice hasn't been banned. It is available from dozens of websites. However, several products made from Red Yeast Rice are currently 'banned' because they are similar enough to patented drugs that patent infringement lawsuits have been filed. That is all. Nothing too insidius. What are all ya'll going to do in August of this year when NONE of your dire predictions come to pass? (Can you say Y2K?) George From: Denise Every To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: CSRed Yeast Rice Cholesterol There is some report on the internet (can't find it now) that stated the FDA banned Red Yeast as a university study found red yeast to be ___effective as drugs___ I did a quick search and red yeast rice is still being sold, I found it on multiple sites, Vitamin Shoppe being one. I did find an article on WholeHealthMD.com that mentions the FDA withdrawing it, it said, In 2001, however, red yeast rice extract, a natural unregulated nutritional supplement, was withdrawn by the FDA. This decision followed the agency's determination that it was chemically too similar to the prescription statin medication Mevacor, and thus should be classified as a drug, which by law is strictly controlled by the federal government. But I don't know what the date of this article is, the web site has a copyright date of 2000... maybe the FDA took some other action since and reversed its 2001 decision? Denise -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSY2K?
Are you of the opinion that the pharmaceutical industry isn't trying to stop the sale of natural supplements? Personally, I think in this market-driven society, no one is going to stop the sale of anything that is making big bucks... and the supplement industry brings in something like a couple of billion dollars a year, from what I recollect hearing. That's nothing to sneeze at, even by Big Pharma. Rather than trying to stop the sale of natural supplements, I think they would be more likely to get on the bandwagon and join in reaping the profits... that way they'd be getting the bucks from the people who do use their drugs, and also profit from the people who don't. If there's money to be made, I think they'd go after it, rather than possibly losing a huge market completely, which I think is a real possibility. I'm sure a lot of people who prefer using natural things and tend to be independent aren't going to just jump into using pharmaceuticals if the choice is taken away. So instead of bringing those folks into the pharmaceutical fold, they'd just end up losing that market completely, and I don't think they want to see that happen. Sure, they might not make as much money from a natural herbal that they can't patent, but any sale is better than no sale when you've got stockholders to please, eh? Denise -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSbook recommendation
Yes, Overdosed America by John Abramson, M.D. He was a family practitioner in private practice for years, and then went into research medicine. Here's a link to the book at Amazon if you'd like to read more about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060568526/qid=1110748153/ sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-8092274-0252108?v=glances=booksn=507846 Denise Hi, Would anyone know the darned truth about the issue surrounding spring water vs distilled/reverse osmosis. I'm getting conflicting information from various sources regarding this matter. Everyone seems to have their own take on it, including viable doctors in homeopathic medicine. There doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence supporting whether one is better then the other, unless I've been looking in the wrong places. Many thanks Ernie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
