Re: CSSilver Well removed?
YER BACK Yea, it was an older page loaded in error. I just messed up tha's all K At 12:52 AM 3/22/2005 +1030, you wrote: Hello Ken You removed me from your Silver Puppy web site? Or is that an 'old' version. David No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CSRe: CS
Contaminants and very strong CS. Traces of saliva on a container will sometimes make strong CS go violet or murky reddish in a few days. Traces of ammonium? Sulpher? ..maybe other things as well...can make CS go brown instantly. Contaminants can be from water spots or even be impregnated into the glass itself...or can come from your environment..air fresheners?...sprayed cleaning agents?...air pollution? Not all distilled water is crated equal. Any given batch of the same brand can be different from the last. Changing brands is no absolute gaurantee that you bought different water especially if you live in a low population density area. Use different water and a 'new' , triple rinsed with distilled, glass container for starters. Ode At 10:51 AM 3/21/2005 -0800, you wrote: HI my CS is turning red/brown I am using distilled water.can anybody give me some Ideas what I'm doing wrong. Debb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CSMy silvergen machine
Bailar, Thanks for being tolerant. Bob Smith's posting *was* harsh. I suspect it was harsher than he intended, given how crude this medium is for the expression of emotional nuances. We always have to be scrupulously careful about how our words will come across (Got that, Bob? grin), as well as being slow to take offense, for which I thank *you*, ma'am. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Folks, I've looked at some of your messages that haven't made it into the digest yet. Do me a favor, don't judge or blame. It is not a healing approach. You can do better than the tone of some of your posts. I consider myself a good judge of what works for me or doesn't. You know none of the details of my life. No, I DON'T EXPECT MIRACLES, to quote back to somebody. What I do expect is respect, kindness and even curiosity to see how I do on a form of silver that has already been discussed here anyway and is well respected. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:Re: CSMy silvergen machine
Information at... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html Bill -- Bailar, Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently effective? I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what they are talking about. For instance, in their comparisons they have listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the photo of various CS products. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my homemade CS to adjust for the same level of effectiveness. And being able to make CS at home is a huge hedge against commercial CS ever becoming unavailable. I'd also like to know if anyone here knows of any independent lab tests on Sovereign Silver? It seems to be recommended as a reputable product, but I'd like to see an independent test before I take at face value the statements at the natural immunogenics website. TIA, sol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message t
CSKent Repertory Re: CSRE: Homeopathic CS
I must have been thinking of the Kent Repertory http://www.homeoint.org/books/kentrep/index.htm I just checked, it is still there, still free, but it isn't the MM. sol Louise wrote: No I can not get a Kent one with out paying anymore that is on line that is. But here is a keynote one http://www.homeoint.org/books/allkeyn/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs:missing materia medica
V, That is a good one. It is indeed a bit different from the standard MM references, but the info there has been valuable to me. A lot of times it is good to get a different angle on things. sol V wrote: Hi David, Try this link there is a metria medica link there on that page. May not be the same one but its pretty good. http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/ Take care, V Can anyone shed light??? ..suddenly, Fri or Sat, the Booericke Materia Medica seems to have disappeared from the web ??? this was one way I was able to get to it: http://data.widgetworks.com:591/boericke/ I have the book but the search feature with the online [formerly] version is SOOO helpful; even amazing. ..anyone have a functioning link to it?? help!! davido -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005
CS[List Owner] Bailar
Dear friends, Before everybody gets in a rip about this, I have sent an uncharactersitically angry message to this Bailar person explaining to them that such arrogant and insulting behavior is *NOT* welcome on the Silver List and demanding an apology as condition for their continued participation. Did I mention that I was angry? I guess I am easily moved to a state of being astounded at this person's rudeness to Sol. I think it would be best if we let that thread drop and get on with the task of helping those who are actually appreciative of our community. Sorry for the less than level-headed response. Even my patience has limits. Be well, Mike Devour silver list owner Sol, You write: Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack I did not use the word harsh, did I? And I didn't ask you, did I? I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. You are easily moved to a state of being astounded then. You must be astounded many times a day. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. I'm not sure I'm interested in the effort entailed. I used Trem's machine according to directions. In my original post I noted it was a good machine but the silver was not effective. In addition, other lyme patients AND a molecular biologist I respect, Stephen Levine, have said enough good things about natural immunogenics that I'm willing to try it. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about Well then, Sol, I submit that you are too easily astounded and far too difficult to arouse to a state of natural (and should I add, benevolent?) curiosity. because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Really? How did I give a sales pitch? Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Whom in the group do you speak for? I got some very nice private emails after my post, btw. Just wait for my report. You'll get an honest report if it helps and if it doesn't. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. You'll have to do your own DD (due diligence) as they say in the financial world. I am not beguiled enough by your courtesy, thoughtfulness, curiosity, and equanimity to go to the effort of giving you more detail. In fact, I am not going to respond to further posts of yours. Bailar [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew Toll-Free number for Atlasnova Not XXX
Our toll-free was a 866-XXX but many people would (out of habit, I suppose) dial 800 instead of 866. They were greeted by I've been waiting for you with my HOT, WET and you can imagine the rest, along with a request for a credit card. Two customers for silver wire have called and informed Alvine of this already today, which of course freaked her out. The new number is 877-2690174 and we have applied for the same 800 number as well. :yuk: Best regards, Arnold Beland
Re: CSMy silvergen machine
Jason, thank you for this information. It is good to know that there is a commercial preparation making inroads with conventional physicians. Your balanced perspective on the tradeoffs between this product and home-brew is appreciated. Be well, Mike D. Greetings, all: I always recommend that those who are in a prosperous financial situation purchase Sovereign Silver, or have their MD's acquire Argentyn 23. Keep in mind that there are alot of people out there that wouldn't even feel it when purchasing a few dozen cases of such products. Silvergen Generators make a mighty fine silver, first class. But to state that any home brewed silver is like a true laboratory grade silver is just simply not true. I don't think many people realize how much went into the development of this product. Natural-Immunogenics is not like other producers, who are trying to vye for market share, because frankly the best don't need to advertise, and a very large chunk of their market is specifically very qualified medical professionals. They also take toxicity issues very seriously and very ethically. I did a very brief experiment with Argentyn 23 and an abrasion. When one applies their isolated silver to to such a wound, cell replication is actually VISIBLE within 20-45 minutes of application. It's quite astounding. One of the most significant, among many, properties of this product is that it is pyrogen and endotoxin free, and correctly PH balanced. So on one hand, it's insane to deprive oneself of silver because one is not financially well off... In many cases, I certainly consider it not very wise to purchase a retail silver when quality generators exist ( or can be made ) that serve most excellently. However, I also consider it not very wise to settle for anything less than the best if you are in the position to acquire it, and a loved one's life may depend on it. Kind Regards, Jason [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy silvergen machine
Bailar, Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently effective? I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what they are talking about. For instance, in their comparisons they have listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the photo of various CS products. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my homemade CS to adjust for the same level of effectiveness. And being able to make CS at home is a huge hedge against commercial CS ever becoming unavailable. I'd also like to know if anyone here knows of any independent lab tests on Sovereign Silver? It seems to be recommended as a reputable product, but I'd like to see an independent test before I take at face value the statements at the natural immunogenics website. TIA, sol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmy silvergen machine, and Sol
Sol, You write: Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack I did not use the word harsh, did I? And I didn't ask you, did I? I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. You are easily moved to a state of being astounded then. You must be astounded many times a day. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. I'm not sure I'm interested in the effort entailed. I used Trem's machine according to directions. In my original post I noted it was a good machine but the silver was not effective. In addition, other lyme patients AND a molecular biologist I respect, Stephen Levine, have said enough good things about natural immunogenics that I'm willing to try it. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about Well then, Sol, I submit that you are too easily astounded and far too difficult to arouse to a state of natural (and should I add, benevolent?) curiosity. because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Really? How did I give a sales pitch? Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Whom in the group do you speak for? I got some very nice private emails after my post, btw. Just wait for my report. You'll get an honest report if it helps and if it doesn't. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. You'll have to do your own DD (due diligence) as they say in the financial world. I am not beguiled enough by your courtesy, thoughtfulness, curiosity, and equanimity to go to the effort of giving you more detail. In fact, I am not going to respond to further posts of yours. Bailar
Re: CSRE: Homeopathic CS
There already is one. Someone just mentioned it recently on the colloidalsilv...@yahoogroups.com site. I will see if I can find it and send it on. deb ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
Yup, and James' suggestion we move this topic to the OT list is an extremely good one. Thanks! Mike D. da list owner guy and part time ogre... But we should keep things on topic. remember the Golden Rule. dems that got da gold makes da rules. It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. -Voltaire [Francois Marie Arouet] (1694-1778) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSkids with skin peeling
Hi Everyone, What would cause skin to constantly peel around the finger tips palms and soles of feet? Is there other causes than fungal implications? My children have been plagued with this problem for a long time. I have thought about diet but their diets are about as night and day as they can be. I have a 9 yr old daughter that loves all things carbohydrate and sugar and salmon. The other, 8yr old son, could care less about sweets and loves fruit, vegies, bones ( his version of any meat on the bone) and muffins. A Fairly healthy eater. I do suspect candida with the one, the other can eat till the cow comes home and won't seem to gain an ounce.The son seems to have some nasal problems and both have a bad rash usually every winter all over their backs. Dry little red bumps, almost like a fine sand paper. My son's hair does not grow hardly at all. It seems to be agravated by the laundry soap so we have been trying different soaps but may have to resort to what they uses as a body wash in the bath ( Soft Soap aloe vera) Seems to be the only thing they doesn't react to.Amway's LOC does good, too, but I don't have a supplier for that any more. My son seems to always suffer from canker soars in his mouth. Right now they both have a form of cold sore. My daughter's lower lip burst out with a huge one or several all together, and my son has a form of one that keeps popping out on his nose every 3-4 months. The Dr. says that he needs to use some real expensive anti - viral salve on it but he just soaks it with colloidal silver and it seems to take away the infection right away. but they still take several days to go away. A I am going to see if they will soak their hands in some H2O2 but not sure how long they will have to soak. They use Colloidal Silver for almost all that hurts. They are very good about asking for it. I will see if it will clear it up, but I am interested to get to the root of the problem. I am thinking maybe trying an intestinal cleanse and some liver cleanses, but not sure how to proceed with children at this age. G Murray -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy silvergen machine
Greetings, all: I always recommend that those who are in a prosperous financial situation purchase Sovereign Silver, or have their MD's acquire Argentyn 23. Keep in mind that there are alot of people out there that wouldn't even feel it when purchasing a few dozen cases of such products. Silvergen Generators make a mighty fine silver, first class. But to state that any home brewed silver is like a true laboratory grade silver is just simply not true. I don't think many people realize how much went into the development of this product. Natural-Immunogenics is not like other producers, who are trying to vye for market share, because frankly the best don't need to advertise, and a very large chunk of their market is specifically very qualified medical professionals. They also take toxicity issues very seriously and very ethically. I did a very brief experiment with Argentyn 23 and an abrasion. When one applies their isolated silver to to such a wound, cell replication is actually VISIBLE within 20-45 minutes of application. It's quite astounding. One of the most significant, among many, properties of this product is that it is pyrogen and endotoxin free, and correctly PH balanced. So on one hand, it's insane to deprive oneself of silver because one is not financially well off... In many cases, I certainly consider it not very wise to purchase a retail silver when quality generators exist ( or can be made ) that serve most excellently. However, I also consider it not very wise to settle for anything less than the best if you are in the position to acquire it, and a loved one's life may depend on it. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: CSMy silvergen machine Bailar, Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently effective? I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what they are talking about. For instance, in their comparisons they have listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the photo of various CS products. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my homemade CS to adjust for the same level of effectiveness. And being able to make CS at home is a huge hedge against commercial CS ever becoming unavailable. I'd also like to know if anyone here knows of any independent lab tests on Sovereign Silver? It seems
CSanti-virus phone
Another use for the power if silver. The handset uses a paint with colloidal silver (ie sub-microscopic) properties. ... http://www.symbiancentral.com/component/option,com_content/task,view/id,103/Itemid,2/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Homeopathic CS
Thanks all for the references. I'm just curious is all. I'll have to check into it more and see what their different potencies discriminate. Just for what you quoted below CS is still another breed. ed kasper -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Homeopathic CS Interesting thought. There are already several homeopathic silver remedies: Argentum Cyanatum (silver cyanide) Argentum Iodatum (iodide of silver) Argentum Metallicum (silver leaf and precipitated silver) Argentum Nitricum (nitrate of silver) You could look them up in the Boericke Materia Medica online, or the Kent MM online, etc to see if they are anything like what you would be aiming for by making a homeopathic CS. I just don't quite see what you would be aiming for? Since silver has been used homeopathically for a very long time, with provings already done? The link to the Boericke MM was just given, do you have the link to the Kent? I have one or two other MM links if you would like them, I haven't looked up any of the silver remedies in them. I usually go to Boericke first, then to Clarke, for more detail if needed. sol Ed Kasper wrote: Just curious as if anyone has done or thought about creating a homeopathic preparation of CS. I've played with going the other way. Of distilling the CS to create higher percentage of CS. prefer just the regular stuff. But I like to play around with things. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Bailar
Mike, I am new to the list (today). Thanks for quick and proper response. If I wanted to make my own CS what would be your recommendation? Thanks, AG - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: CS[List Owner] Bailar Dear friends, Before everybody gets in a rip about this, I have sent an uncharactersitically angry message to this Bailar person explaining to them that such arrogant and insulting behavior is *NOT* welcome on the Silver List and demanding an apology as condition for their continued participation. Did I mention that I was angry? I guess I am easily moved to a state of being astounded at this person's rudeness to Sol. I think it would be best if we let that thread drop and get on with the task of helping those who are actually appreciative of our community. Sorry for the less than level-headed response. Even my patience has limits. Be well, Mike Devour silver list owner Sol, You write: Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack I did not use the word harsh, did I? And I didn't ask you, did I? I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. You are easily moved to a state of being astounded then. You must be astounded many times a day. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. I'm not sure I'm interested in the effort entailed. I used Trem's machine according to directions. In my original post I noted it was a good machine but the silver was not effective. In addition, other lyme patients AND a molecular biologist I respect, Stephen Levine, have said enough good things about natural immunogenics that I'm willing to try it. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about Well then, Sol, I submit that you are too easily astounded and far too difficult to arouse to a state of natural (and should I add, benevolent?) curiosity. because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Really? How did I give a sales pitch? Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Whom in the group do you speak for? I got some very nice private emails after my post, btw. Just wait for my report. You'll get an honest report if it helps and if it doesn't. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. You'll have to do your own DD (due diligence) as they say in the financial world. I am not beguiled enough by your courtesy, thoughtfulness, curiosity, and equanimity to go to the effort of giving you more detail. In fact, I am not going to respond to further posts of yours. Bailar [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSkids with skin peeling
Hmm, the bumps sound like what I had as a kid. Solution: Vitamin A. That helps a multitude of problems, your kids have many of them. Vitamin E goes along with it. Do they get migraines or headaches in general? The hair loss shows a need for zinc, the canker sores need vitamin C. Melaleuca oil (tea tree oil) is great for the pain of those. (I know!) Email me and I`ll give you some more. Marshalee Hi Everyone, What would cause skin to constantly peel around the finger tips palms and soles of feet? Is there other causes than fungal implications? My children have been plagued with this problem for a long time. I have thought about diet but their diets are about as night and day as they can be. I have a 9 yr old daughter that loves all things carbohydrate and sugar and salmon. The other, 8yr old son, could care less about sweets and loves fruit, vegies, bones ( his version of any meat on the bone) and muffins. A Fairly healthy eater. I do suspect candida with the one, the other can eat till the cow comes home and won't seem to gain an ounce.The son seems to have some nasal problems and both have a bad rash usually every winter all over their backs. Dry little red bumps, almost like a fine sand paper. My son's hair does not grow hardly at all. It seems to be agravated by the laundry soap so we have been trying different soaps but may have to resort to what they uses as a body wash in the bath ( Soft Soap aloe vera) Seems to be the only thing they doesn't react to.Amway's LOC does good, too, but I don't have a supplier for that any more. My son seems to always suffer from canker soars in his mouth. Right now they both have a form of cold sore. My daughter's lower lip burst out with a huge one or several all together, and my son has a form of one that keeps popping out on his nose every 3-4 months. The Dr. says that he needs to use some real expensive anti - viral salve on it but he just soaks it with colloidal silver and it seems to take away the infection right away. but they still take several days to go away. A I am going to see if they will soak their hands in some H2O2 but not sure how long they will have to soak. They use Colloidal Silver for almost all that hurts. They are very good about asking for it. I will see if it will clear it up, but I am interested to get to the root of the problem. I am thinking maybe trying an intestinal cleanse and some liver cleanses, but not sure how to proceed with children at this age. G Murray -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC S and Bladder Cancer
My friend's late wife used Cysplatin, which is platinum based, I understand. My friend is English and he knew this drug was prescribed in his country. Japanese medical doctors were willing to try it, to their credit, though they don't usually use it. It was not helpful in late-stage metastasized stomach cancer. It is an expensive drug. I note that someone on this list observed that silver and platinum are both noble metals close to one another on the periodic table of the elements. On Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005, at 07:05 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: If you do a google you will find that some of the newer chemotherapies use platimum based drugs for the chemo. This seems to support what I have heard about platimum colloids being a good cancer treatment. There is one testimonial at http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=298 about using a platimum colloid for liver cancer. I have heard of other successes as well with platimum and cancers of the bladder, brain and bone, but have no first hand experiences with it. Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy method to make platimum colloids like there is for silver. If I can find anything else out about it I will post back again. As always, I am not a doctor, but simply a seeker trying to help. Marshall Corgiville wrote: Hello. I am new to the silver-list. I was new to c s and was drinking it this last year. I found out I had bladder cancer in December. I have had surgery and had BCG treatments and am now in maintance with the BCG, I have the generator to make the c s and a friend that taught me how to use it. But when I found out I had bladder cancer I got scared of drinking the C S. I was afraid if there was some deposit of c s that would end up in my bladder or if the c s could do any damage and be more of a hinderance than a prevention to the bladder cancer. I am eating raw vegetables most of the meals. No sugar. No caffine. Drink water, green tea, lemon water and eat almonds for the alkaline effect. I do eat out once a week maybe twice and that is not good. Take a variety of vitamins that I understand is suspose to be helpful in preventing cancer. I am hoping there is someone that knows about bladder cancer and drinking c s. I really appreciate all your help. Thank you,Judy
CSWelcome AG cs maker response
Hi AG, Welcome to the group. You will really enjoy the wealth of knowledge here, I know I do. There is a gentleman by the name of V here that sells a very inexpensive silver collodial maker that works very well...I bought one from him and am very pleased. Debbie
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
Hello Albert, You wrote, Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, Why is that especially interesting? Can you please explain your understanding of the events leading up to Pearl Harbor? Do you think it was a surprise attack? Please answer on the off topic list. Jim -Original Message- From: Albert Peirce [mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al - Original Message - From: Albert Peirce mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com To: http://aepeirce http://aepeirce@cinci.rr.com Cc: Albert Peirce mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Minimal further investigation would have revealed to Mr. Perry that the peace overtures from the NAZIS were a sham, and were an attempt to temporise and secure the western front as Germany prepared to invade the Soviet Union! Germany probably had 60% of its military forces deployed to resist a renewed effort to re-establish an allied presence in western Europe, and if they could have suceeded in establishing a Neville Chamberlain II agreement, they could have moved a significant portion of this presence to the eastern front. As it was, they took a calculated risk that the Allies would not be ready to open an invasion of Europe for several years and moved their forces anyway. Remember that at the time, 1940/41, the Royal Air Force fighter command had virtually decimated the Luftwaffe flying over England (for every plane shot down, if the crew survived they were taken prisoner) and the Bomber Command was ramping up its night-time bombing of Germany, and the United States Army Air Corps was flying B17's and B24's to England to begin daylight bombing over Europe!! Germany was not dealing from a position of strength!!! HISTORY is a marvelous source of information, and even though it is no longer taught in our schools, it should be accessibile and encouragement offered to study it Al
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
What is your take on Pearl Harbor Albert? -Original Message- From: Albert Peirce [mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al - Original Message - From: Albert Peirce mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com To: http://aepeirce http://aepeirce@cinci.rr.com Cc: Albert Peirce mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Minimal further investigation would have revealed to Mr. Perry that the peace overtures from the NAZIS were a sham, and were an attempt to temporise and secure the western front as Germany prepared to invade the Soviet Union! Germany probably had 60% of its military forces deployed to resist a renewed effort to re-establish an allied presence in western Europe, and if they could have suceeded in establishing a Neville Chamberlain II agreement, they could have moved a significant portion of this presence to the eastern front. As it was, they took a calculated risk that the Allies would not be ready to open an invasion of Europe for several years and moved their forces anyway. Remember that at the time, 1940/41, the Royal Air Force fighter command had virtually decimated the Luftwaffe flying over England (for every plane shot down, if the crew survived they were taken prisoner) and the Bomber Command was ramping up its night-time bombing of Germany, and the United States Army Air Corps was flying B17's and B24's to England to begin daylight bombing over Europe!! Germany was not dealing from a position of strength!!! HISTORY is a marvelous source of information, and even though it is no longer taught in our schools, it should be accessibile and encouragement offered to study it Al
RE: CSBarometric Pressure and cs
Do you mean barosinusitis? -Original Message- From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBarometric Pressure and cs Hi group, Hope you all are doing well today, I wish to pick the wonderful brains here on the topic of barometric pressure. Can taking cs for a period of time take this condition away? Any input, knowledge, advice would be very much appreciated. Keep up the great post's everyone I am really enjoying all the rich information here it must be very satisfying to help other's the way that you all do. Debbie :)
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
Rense had a lot of experience as a print and television news journalist before becoming an independent web journalist . Rense does print a lot of fringe stuff. I have done a lot of research on many of the topics that seem over the edge, and find that his position on them is very creditable. Could you give us a couple of examples of Rense's crackpot articles? Jim -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Both Rense and Bell ..and Nexus magazine, for that matter...will put out anything that people will listen to so long as it is at least marginally believable. This guy sez [ Nevermind what we think about it] Veracity, facts and proof are not a big concerns of theirs. Some of the stuff is really good, most is crackpot. They leave it up to you to decide which is which and how much. Inquiring minds want to know everything, true, semi true and untrue...and there it is. Discriminating minds sort through it. Ode At 06:09 AM 3/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al --===AVGMAIL-423EC43123C2=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-177A7082 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CSMy silvergen machine
Mike, Jason, et al, I joined the CS list about six, or seven years ago (how the time flies). During that ensuing time I have found this list to be a profound source of invaluable information. When I joined I was as much a newbie as many of those now coming online and posting for the first time. My first generator was a Sota and I kept it until I was ready to move to another machine. My second was from CS Pro and it never failed me either. Finally, about two months ago I purchased an SG7 from Trem at Silvergen. My reasons were not that the other machines didn't work, or produce useable CS (or EIS, or whatever), but because I wanted to balance time and effort with results. The SG7 allowed me to produce good (for me) silver in large quantities in a minimum amount of time. Of what I produce I give away about 75% and use about 25%. The information garnered from list, of course, is primarily related to the production and utilization of self produced CS, but not always. That is what I like about it...one never knows what will pop up and may lead synchronistically to other useful things. One never knows when that information will come in handy even though it may not apply currently. Such is the case on the recent debate leading to this thread. It is nice to have information of Sovereign Silver on hand for future reference. Thanks, Jason, from me, too, for your expert comments in regard to that. The only problem I have seen in regard to these debates is when a member's ego gets bruised nearly always by something someone on the list has said probably from their own ego. So an Ego War begins. The tone of the emails are the dead give away of forthcoming problems with the List Owner. Mike has always exhibited what I consider infinite patience in dealing with these Wars, up to a point. But when it is time to cut it off, thankfully, it usually happens very quickly. Thank goodness for that because, obviously, it is necessary for list survival as well as decorum. So, thanks, to all the list members for their efforts in helping to keep this the best and most useful list on CS on the internet. Just my humble opinion. Jim W. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CSMy silvergen machine Jason, thank you for this information. It is good to know that there is a commercial preparation making inroads with conventional physicians. Your balanced perspective on the tradeoffs between this product and home-brew is appreciated. Be well, Mike D. Greetings, all: I always recommend that those who are in a prosperous financial situation purchase Sovereign Silver, or have their MD's acquire Argentyn 23. Keep in mind that there are alot of people out there that wouldn't even feel it when purchasing a few dozen cases of such products. Silvergen Generators make a mighty fine silver, first class. But to state that any home brewed silver is like a true laboratory grade silver is just simply not true. I don't think many people realize how much went into the development of this product. Natural-Immunogenics is not like other producers, who are trying to vye for market share, because frankly the best don't need to advertise, and a very large chunk of their market is specifically very qualified medical professionals. They also take toxicity issues very seriously and very ethically. I did a very brief experiment with Argentyn 23 and an abrasion. When one applies their isolated silver to to such a wound, cell replication is actually VISIBLE within 20-45 minutes of application. It's quite astounding. One of the most significant, among many, properties of this product is that it is pyrogen and endotoxin free, and correctly PH balanced. So on one hand, it's insane to deprive oneself of silver because one is not financially well off... In many cases, I certainly consider it not very wise to purchase a retail silver when quality generators exist ( or can be made ) that serve most excellently. However, I also consider it not very wise to settle for anything less than the best if you are in the position to acquire it, and a loved one's life may depend on it. Kind Regards, Jason [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWelcome AG cs maker response
Debbie, ' Do you have V's email address? Thanks, AG - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: CSWelcome AG cs maker response Hi AG, Welcome to the group. You will really enjoy the wealth of knowledge here, I know I do. There is a gentleman by the name of V here that sells a very inexpensive silver collodial maker that works very well...I bought one from him and am very pleased. Debbie
RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
wasn't the japanese communications code broken several months before Pearl. (purple code), why weren't the aircraft carriers there, and didn't US Pearl forces sink a miniature japanese submarine at the entrance to pearl several hours before the actual attack and notified washington. For my money the germans, japanese, english and american governments are all suspect. The only truth seems to be not don't trust those in power. But we should keep things on topic. remember the Golden Rule. dems that got da gold makes da rules. It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. -Voltaire [Francois Marie Arouet] (1694-1778) Enjoy Your Health, Ed Kasper L.Ac. California Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist www.HappyHerbalist.com -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article What is your take on Pearl Harbor Albert? -Original Message- From: Albert Peirce [mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Most interesting that rense.com would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al
RE: CSMy silvergen machine
Thank you Jim Well written. We all needs this reminder every now and then. Reginald from the land of Oz. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBailars machine.
Home made CS has taken a bit of a hit from Bailar. I think its only fair that what Balair said back on Dec 17 should be repeated. David Here's Bailar's quote ''I must say this silver of trem's is potent, a good machine. yow. glad i didn't make it any stronger. took just one teaspoon this morning and feel it all day. it seems like people took such varying amounts that it is individual. i believe i am probably killing some candida too, so its a double whammy, i have both systemically i'm sure. btw i tried mesosilver and it was totally useless, unlike this silver. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
