Re: CS> ions and particles
Langsley writes: > I've heard the above statements or similar statements a number of times > on various lists. It often includes a statement to the effect that it (a > TEM) is the wrong tool for the job. I don't question any of the above. > However OTOH virtually every website offering data on colloidal, ionic, > electrically isolated silver offer tem photos to illustrate what they > are claiming. This is genuinely pervasive in the online medicinal silver > community. Do you believe that this is being done to deliberately > deceive the end user/consumer? If not, what is the reason for including > this information? These TEM tests and photos are not cheap. I don't know why they're so pervasive either, but I can remember back when I worked in research going to all sorts of trouble to try to prepare TEM samples to supposedly visualize the particle size of iron we were using to catalyze a certain chemical reaction. I spent days trying to spray an aqueous colloidal suspension we were using onto a carbon film supported on copper TEM grids on a hotplate with an airbrush... without destroying the microscopically thin film. The idea was supposedly to make sure the particles were sufficiently isolated in the aerosol droplets, and the water eliminated quickly enough that they would not have a chance to agglomerate. All I ever remember us getting from the TEM were wonderful pictures of huge gnarled clumps that were indecipherable as to the size of whatever particles they were made up of. In other words, folks, getting from isolated particles of silver suspended in water to "particles" dried out on a surface is *NOT* a trivial exercise. There's little reason to believe there's any relationship between TEM photos and what's in the water. Unless the vendor describes sample preparation technique in detail, there's really no way to know what's in the pictures. > If a TEM is not the right tool for the job, what is? Is there some other > relatively readily available test which will show not only the amount of > ionic silver present but actually measure the size/s of any silver ions > present? Aren't some folks using visible/UV scanning spectrophotography nowadays? The absorption of wavelengths of light is directly correlatable with particle size directly in the unmodified suspension. It'll give you particle size distribution. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> ion sand particles
On Wednesday November 23 2005 9:07 am, Ode Coyote wrote:
> [ A TEM sample must be dry in order to use a TEM. Ionic silver
> doesn't survive drying, therefore, a TEM doesn't magnify what we
> make, it magnifies a byproduct of drying it.
> HOW that sample is dried and WHERE in the sample it is focused on
> can be fudged to show anything the operator wants to show. One thing
> it can't show is silver ions. They will always be silver oxide
> particles after being dried. Also, any dissolved products will
> crystalize when dried and a crystal can be grown to virtually any
> size that one wants to grow it.] {Ode/Ken}
Hi again Ode/Ken.
I've heard the above statements or similar statements a number of times on
various lists. It often includes a statement to the effect that it (a TEM) is
the wrong tool for the job. I don't question any of the above. However OTOH
virtually every website offering data on colloidal, ionic, electrically
isolated silver offer tem photos to illustrate what they are claiming. This is
genuinely pervasive in the online medicinal silver community. Do you believe
that this is being done to deliberately deceive the end user/consumer? If not,
what is the reason for including this information? These TEM tests and photos
are not cheap.
I also know that virtually any and all "scientific" data and test results can
be, and often are, fudged and made to show the desired results. So why pick
this one test which is so easily challenged? Unless there is nothing else
available.
This brings me to my real question/s and reason for responding to your post.
If a TEM is not the right tool for the job, what is? Is there some other
relatively readily available test which will show not only the amount of ionic
silver present but actually measure the size/s of any silver ions present?
TIA
--
LTR
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it...@kvremcwb.com
RE: CS>Dog with seizures
Would someone be so kind as to explain to me what Lobelia Tincture is? Any what it's many uses are? Many thanks, ernie -Original Message- From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com; feather...@netscape.net Subject: CS>Dog with seizures I cured a veterinarian's Dachund of seizures with one treatment of Lobelia Tincture, that I make myself...The vet said it was a "spontaneous remission" (r i g h t) The dog never had another oneI told this to my vet who is a Chinese Herbalist and uses acupuncture on dogs and animalsHe took some from me and gave me credit on my bill.. He later said he had the same experience with some of his patients...I don't know if the tinctures you can buy will do the same thing. but check out Dr. Christopher's website and see if he has anyIf you can't find any let me know and I'll send you some. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: SO>SO> : Bird flu & Irregular Heartbeat
Thanks for this one. This is why I love the silver-list. I'm a reader of the afib report but have not looked at it for a while... - Original Message - From: "twllLL" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: CS>Fw: SO>SO> : Bird flu & Irregular Heartbeat > >> Oscillococcinum the natural flu formula works for(( irregular > >> heartbeat )) to. > >> This site will take you straight to this discussion that going on now. > >> http://www.afibbers.com/forum/read.php?f=6&i=20237&t=20195#reply_20237 > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Dog with seizures
I cured a veterinarian's Dachund of seizures with one treatment of Lobelia Tincture, that I make myself...The vet said it was a "spontaneous remission" (r i g h t) The dog never had another oneI told this to my vet who is a Chinese Herbalist and uses acupuncture on dogs and animalsHe took some from me and gave me credit on my bill.. He later said he had the same experience with some of his patients...I don't know if the tinctures you can buy will do the same thing. but check out Dr. Christopher's website and see if he has anyIf you can't find any let me know and I'll send you some. > >From: feather...@netscape.net [mailto:feather...@netscape.net] > >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:37 PM > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Subject: CS>advise with new generator > > > >Hi, i am wishing for some wisdom using my new silver gen colloidal silver > >maker. Im an old mom who in the past months learned for the first time about > >colloidal silver. I researched it and decided to try the brand sovereign > >silver for my 4 old dogs on their old skin problems, ear infections and to > >help one who has had seizures. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>When is EIS not EIS?
Uh, that's Stan Jones, isn't it? Ode Actually it was I who said that Stan Jacobs was making EIS. Terry said that he was making colloidal silver. I "corrected" Terry, saying that Stan was not making colloidal silver but improperly made EIS, so if there is any misinformation being spread in that respect it was done by me. --===AVGMAIL-4385B1767BEE=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6CD6882 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.6 - Release Date: 11/23/2005
