Re: CSRe: Heating CS

2005-12-17 Thread V


It is a myth about puttnig metal object in a microwave. It can be done if you 
jsut follow a few simple rules. Spoons are ok but forks are not. and any metal 
can not be anywhere near the wall of the microwave. you can put an opened metal 
can of food in there to heat it and it will work it jsut takes a lot longer 
becaues the microwaves only come in the can from the top. and then also you 
have to completely remove the top of the can. Being what the rules are for 
metal in a microwave I wolud not put CS in there.
the basic rule is that any metal must be smooth and contiguous like a spoon is 
an example but a fork has tines where the metal has spaces and sparks will jump 
between the tines and caues a problem and thin foil is also a problem as is any 
ceramicware with metalic paint on it.




Take care,
 V


 That is a good question.  I know one is not supposed to put metal objects in
 the microwave.  How about teeny tiny metal objects suspended in water?

 Kel 


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CScs as an injection ?!?

2005-12-17 Thread Peter
Oki..

My friend coming next week and his have injection for diabetes ! !

Going to mix cs with sodium-chloride ..(hope i survive) ! ? !

Just kidding !!  Try  to my WIFE  ( lol ) he he ...

/peter



Re: CSH2O2 and EIS

2005-12-17 Thread Ode Coyote
  ##  Using H2O2 at different times and in different amounts  yields 
different results.


1] The tiniest amount in very fresh EIS will make it go milky white and a 
little more...milky brown with an eventual collection of gas bubbles on the 
sides of the container and slight clearing of the very heavy white or brown 
'milky' TE

 Add even more and it goes clear again.
 Whatever change happens at this stage appears to be permanent until more 
H2O2 is added to clear it up. [ie  Browned EIS doesn't go colorless if 
left alone]


2] H2O2 in well [time] stabilized colorless EIS has no apparent effect, 
though it may break up particles 'if' there are some biggish ones and 
change the TE one way or the other, depending.


3] H2O2 in a colored EIS will clear the color.  TE may or may not be affected.

 What this tells me is that very fresh EIS [CS] , before the conductivity 
drop completes itself,  is very different from stored EIS.
The only thing I can think of that also may tie into conductivity drops 
during a stabilization period is that ions and anions take some amount of 
time to find each other and combine.
 If that is so, the chemical and catalytic properties of fresh EIS may 
well be changing as well and reacts differently to H2O2 in different 
amounts at different times.


 Granted, you can't have ions without anions and they are 'produced' 
simultaneously, but aren't they produced at opposite electrodes?
 Ions and anions would then be physical entities with a distance between 
them and a time element for traveling that distance.
 If left alone, they'll make the misnamed ion cloud with different 
appearing particles [golden on one side with black spot, white on the other 
with white spot... spots appearing at the points where such a track 
impacts the bottom of a container] appearing to come from one electrode to 
the other with nothing visible in between [Ion tracking] unless that 
portion impacts the container, in which case you get ,metallic silver 
plateout.



 Humm not very clearly stated...

 OK, Electrodes being close to the bottom of the container and no stirring 
being used and current density is high.
 Particle clouds form and sag downwards with particles streaming off and 
flowing down both electrodes, arching each towards the other electrode and 
hitting the bottom along the way.
 One electrode sheds golden particles and forms a black spot under it 
[silver oxides?]
 The other electrode sheds white particles and forms a white spot. [silver 
hydroxides?]
 In between the spots, no particles visible, but there is pure metallic 
silver plateout after a while.


Apparently, in that zone, there are no oxides OR hydroxides...just pure 
invisible silver somehow.   [ silver Ions picking up electrons from the 
glass and going metallic?..and if they DON'T hit the glass and plate out? 
Still invisible and still there.]


 Anyhow, it's obvious there are at least 3 different things going onin 
different places, each taking time, probably 4 and maybe more and some 
percentage of all of it drifting around in the water.


If you mix everything  up, [make it all drift] mutual targeting could be 
delayed and there could be 3 , 4 or more different unstable configurations 
and forms of silver, hydrogen and oxygen co-existing dynamically in the 
same area for some amount of time, going through different stages and 
sequences of getting together.


 Now, add an H2O2 radical wild card at different times to mess up the 
natural balance of yet to be married components and you get completely 
differing results at different times.


Yea, I AM confused!
 Like herding cats by adding dogs, some you can see and others you 
can't... It's confusing!


Ode the Whirlyheaded..honeymooning in a brothel in the dark?
That 'works' just fine and 'what' does happen... you just don't know 'who' 
you're doing and when.

Honey?  Dat you?  Why do you use different voices to say yes?

At 11:29 AM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote:


Hi Nancy,

What magnification did you use to make your mesurements.

When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a dark 
room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. developes, and to me 
indicates that agglomeration has set it.


This is most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart of 
EIS. When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and has a 
haze to it.


Something does not compute !!!

Ole Bob


Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net wrote:
The H2o2 reacts with the silver and breaks up the particles so they become 
very much smaller.
If you look under a microscope at CS, most homemade CS would be about 
this size: OWhen you add 1 drop of H2o2 3% to 2 oz. of CS and wait 
about 15 minutes and look in the same microscope the particle size would 
be about this: o  If you look at sovereign silver under the same 
microscope the particle size is about this:   (That's correct, you 
cannot see anything it is that tiny.)

Nancy




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Re: CSHeating Colloidal Silver

2005-12-17 Thread Ode Coyote



 OK, nuke it.
 Works for me.
 But why tea?

Ode


At 07:15 PM 12/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:

No one has answered my question about heating CS for tea, etc.  My Mom is 
pretty sick and I'm trying to get CS into her any way that I can.  Any 
help here would be appreciated. MA


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Re: CSRe: Heating CS

2005-12-17 Thread Ode Coyote
  The nuker will excite the metallics more than the water but the water 
instantly cools them off.

 Works just fine.


Ode

At 08:50 PM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote:

That is a good question.  I know one is not supposed to put metal objects 
in the microwave.  How about teeny tiny metal objects suspended in water?


Kel

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CSHeating CS

2005-12-17 Thread Terry Chamberlin
MA said,
someone here recently mentioned that they routinely
use CS as their base water for tea, etc.  So my
question -- what is the safest way to heat CS for tea,
coffee, etc.?

Marshall responded,
Heating CS increases the likelihood of collision
between the particles and subsequent aggregation. 
Depending on the ppm, ph and the size of the particles
to start with, this may occur at a low 120F or a
temperature much closer or even beyond to boiling.  It
will not destroy the CS, but depending on how hot you
heat it, could lead to increased particle size and
lower effectiveness.  The more yellow or color it has,
the more likely it will be effected.

I use CS for everything that calls for liquid. I brew
coffee with CS in a regular coffee brewer. I heat CS
it in a metal pot (porcelin, glass, whatever, is fine)
for herbal tea. Last night I made muffins, and the
recipe called for milk, so I used CS and added
powdered milk. 

The idea that increased particle size is related to
decreased effectiveness is pure speculation, without
any evidence in support of it. The royalty in Europe
mechanically ground up silver and stirred it into wine
or water and drank it and benefitted from it. How's
that for large particle size? The smallest ground-up
silver particles would be millions of times larger
than the largest electrically-generated silver
particles. I have boiled and frozen CS and let it sit
afterwards for a week, and it never changed color. 

The smaller the particle size, the less it is affected
by heat, cold, magnetism, sunlight, etc.

(www.cesil.com/leaderforchemist/articoli/inglese/7demlinging/7demlinging.htm)

MA, make coffee, tea, juice, soup, stew, gravy and any
other creative way you can get CS into your mom, and
do it freely, generously, unreservedly, fearlessly.
When your mom gets to one gallon per day, stop. (I'm
being facetious!)

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CSDercum's Disease?

2005-12-17 Thread Lea Ann

Hello,

I'm doing a stab in the dark by writing to this list - hoping that I can 
find some information that can help my friend who has Dercum's Disease (very 
rare).


http://www.dercumshope.org/whatisit.php
http://dercums_data.tripod.com/index.html

Apparently it has been known about for over 100 years but no one is 
researching this disease.  It causes painful fatty tumors all over my 
friend's body.  I noticed on the websites two different theories one being 
viral and one being parasitic.  (The current accepted theory is that it is 
genetic).


If it were viral then I think CS should help?  If parasitic, wouldn't a 
microelectrical device work?


If anyone has any ideas of what I should recommend to my friend I would 
greatly appreciate them.


Blessings,
Lea Ann Savage
Satellite Beach, FL
321-773-7088
I keep trying to make my house child-proof but they keep getting in anyway


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Re: CSHeating CS

2005-12-17 Thread Carol Ann
Hi Terry,
 I am not  knowledgeable enough to agree or disagree, nor as you say, is the  
evidence conclusive based upon anything I have read and for sure, I  haven't 
read all available information about CSilver.  Never  before has it been so 
widely used or as easily available the way it is  today.
  
  However, more than once has European Royalt been mentioned as a plus  for 
regular ingestion.   Keep in mind that Haemophilia  figured prominently in the 
history of European Royalty, it became known  as the Royal disease, regardless 
of country.  Their customary or  habitual use of Silver, (due to  privlidge)  
did not spare  them from the disease. 
  
 Having said that it should be  understood that human beings are today more 
than ever,  being  chemically altered via the widespread and frequent use of 
drugs,  engineered food products and environment.  Anything ingested will  
change the chemical composition of the blood for better or for worse. 
  
  Carol Ann
  
Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
.The royalty in Europe
mechanically ground up silver and stirred it into wine
or water and drank it and benefitted from it. How's
that for large particle size? _ 
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Re: CSH2O2 and EIS

2005-12-17 Thread Shelli
Ok, I just tried adding a drop of H2O2 to my first batch of cs. I made it a 
couple days ago and it started out clear but then turned somewhat yellow by 
the next day. When I added the H2O2 it turned the cs brown. I tried adding 
bit more but it didn't clear it. I'm not sure what to do now. Can I still 
use the cs? Should I add more H2O2?

Shelli


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: CSH2O2 and EIS


  ##  Using H2O2 at different times and in different amounts  yields 
different results.


1] The tiniest amount in very fresh EIS will make it go milky white and a 
little more...milky brown with an eventual collection of gas bubbles on 
the sides of the container and slight clearing of the very heavy white or 
brown 'milky' TE

 Add even more and it goes clear again.
 Whatever change happens at this stage appears to be permanent until more 
H2O2 is added to clear it up. [ie  Browned EIS doesn't go colorless if 
left alone]


2] H2O2 in well [time] stabilized colorless EIS has no apparent effect, 
though it may break up particles 'if' there are some biggish ones and 
change the TE one way or the other, depending.


3] H2O2 in a colored EIS will clear the color.  TE may or may not be 
affected.


 What this tells me is that very fresh EIS [CS] , before the conductivity 
drop completes itself,  is very different from stored EIS.
The only thing I can think of that also may tie into conductivity drops 
during a stabilization period is that ions and anions take some amount of 
time to find each other and combine.
 If that is so, the chemical and catalytic properties of fresh EIS may 
well be changing as well and reacts differently to H2O2 in different 
amounts at different times.


 Granted, you can't have ions without anions and they are 'produced' 
simultaneously, but aren't they produced at opposite electrodes?
 Ions and anions would then be physical entities with a distance between 
them and a time element for traveling that distance.
 If left alone, they'll make the misnamed ion cloud with different 
appearing particles [golden on one side with black spot, white on the 
other with white spot... spots appearing at the points where such a 
track impacts the bottom of a container] appearing to come from one 
electrode to the other with nothing visible in between [Ion tracking] 
unless that portion impacts the container, in which case you get ,metallic 
silver plateout.



 Humm not very clearly stated...

 OK, Electrodes being close to the bottom of the container and no stirring 
being used and current density is high.
 Particle clouds form and sag downwards with particles streaming off and 
flowing down both electrodes, arching each towards the other electrode and 
hitting the bottom along the way.
 One electrode sheds golden particles and forms a black spot under it 
[silver oxides?]
 The other electrode sheds white particles and forms a white spot. [silver 
hydroxides?]
 In between the spots, no particles visible, but there is pure metallic 
silver plateout after a while.


Apparently, in that zone, there are no oxides OR hydroxides...just pure 
invisible silver somehow.   [ silver Ions picking up electrons from the 
glass and going metallic?..and if they DON'T hit the glass and plate out? 
Still invisible and still there.]


 Anyhow, it's obvious there are at least 3 different things going onin 
different places, each taking time, probably 4 and maybe more and some 
percentage of all of it drifting around in the water.


If you mix everything  up, [make it all drift] mutual targeting could be 
delayed and there could be 3 , 4 or more different unstable configurations 
and forms of silver, hydrogen and oxygen co-existing dynamically in the 
same area for some amount of time, going through different stages and 
sequences of getting together.


 Now, add an H2O2 radical wild card at different times to mess up the 
natural balance of yet to be married components and you get completely 
differing results at different times.


Yea, I AM confused!
 Like herding cats by adding dogs, some you can see and others you 
can't... It's confusing!


Ode the Whirlyheaded..honeymooning in a brothel in the dark?
That 'works' just fine and 'what' does happen... you just don't know 'who' 
you're doing and when.

Honey?  Dat you?  Why do you use different voices to say yes?

At 11:29 AM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote:


Hi Nancy,

What magnification did you use to make your mesurements.

When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a dark 
room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. developes, and to me 
indicates that agglomeration has set it.


This is most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart of 
EIS. When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and has a 
haze to it.


Something does not compute !!!

Ole Bob


Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net 

Re: CSHeating Colloidal Silver

2005-12-17 Thread Marmar845
In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:55:50 AM Central Standard Time, 
odecoy...@alltel.net writes:
But why tea?
That's what she drinks.MA


Re: CSHeating CS

2005-12-17 Thread Marmar845
In a message dated 12/17/2005 8:10:14 AM Central Standard Time, 
tcj...@yahoo.ca writes:
MA, make coffee, tea, juice, soup, stew, gravy and any
other creative way you can get CS into your mom, and
do it freely, generously, unreservedly, fearlessly.
Thanks Terry -- I'm trying to do just that!!!  Appreciate your input.MA


Re: CSRe: Heating CS

2005-12-17 Thread Marmar845
In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:56:11 AM Central Standard Time, 
odecoy...@alltel.net writes:
   The nuker will excite the metallics more than the water but the water 
instantly cools them off.
  Works just fine.
This is good to know Ode -- thanks.  MA


Re: CSCS and my 35 kids in jail

2005-12-17 Thread Marmar845
In a message dated 12/16/2005 9:05:17 PM Central Standard Time, 
faithstfran...@hotmail.com writes:
She is facing a very critical operation .. by destiny, 2000 miles away from 
me.
She'll be operated upon by two specialists, in tandem, next Monday, at 6 in 
the morning
I'm very sorry to hear this Faith, and I hope that all will be well.  I will 
be sending prayers in your direction, and hers. Mary Ann


Re: CSHack Sale on spectrometer

2005-12-17 Thread bob smith
I get a server error message when I try these addresses.  What is their 
price and is there another way of contacting them.   Bob  Smith




- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: CSHack Sale on spectrometer



Anyone wanting to measure silver content with a spectrometere might note
that Hach is running a 25% off till end of December on their DR 2800 unit
http://www.hach.com/hc/search.product.details.invoker/PackagingCode=DR2800-01/PREVIOUS_BREADCRUMB_ID=HcBridgePageHcDRKDRTNTplushtm/SESSIONID|AmhYV0ZJeE1UTTBOREEwT1RBd01EUTBKbWQxWlhOMFRRPT1BVQ==|

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Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion

2005-12-17 Thread Rowena
So Pete, when you say the majority of the eschar is gone, do you mean it 
broke apart and that some is yet to come away?
That must have been pretty big - and this had started and grown in just a 
matter of months?
Wow!  Did you have a diagnosis to say what kind it was, or did you just 
recognise and treat it yourself anyway?

I see in the middle of my husband's wound something white like a wen.  No 
idea what it might be.  I wonder whether, once it is healed, if it persists 
whether to try a dab of cansema as a diagnosis.  The new skin that was under 
the eschar is looking good and healing fast; just looks a bit tender.

Tonight we have put a dab on a mole on my back that has grown pinkish 
thickness around it.  If nothing happens, good, but if something does start 
to come away, good again.

Rowena

I too have been experimenting with cansema and its effects on skin
cancers.  I had over the
months developed an island of raised skin covering the front 1/3 of  my nose
which in places
had turned purple, and in one place flaked and left raw.  I  applied the
new cansema salve to
the affected area a week ago Tues, and am now in my 10th day.   After about
6-7days my
nose was quite sore and had grown about 1/16-1/8 of eschar before it 
started
a gradual slof-
fing.  The sloffing has stopped now and the majority of eschar  is gone, but
my nose is somewhat pitted in places, like having been in a  car accident or
fight.  I received many com-
ments at work during this process as you might imagine(I didn't have  my 
nose
covered the
total time). Some of the pits(gouges) seem about 1/8 deep and  started to
ooze, so I cleaned
with h2o2 and applied Neosporin to stop infection and help heal. As  of now
my nose looks and feels like cardboard, but I feel time will  heal.  Pete



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Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion

2005-12-17 Thread PanAmPete
 
 
Rowena,
The eschar 1/16-1/8 of crust basically has fallen off and left a  
off-colored pink/brown and
somewhat scarred(indentations) rust colored spots. I will definitely  have 
another sloughing
coming as touching is foreign to the area.  The months , I  believe were 
closer to two years
as I remember.  And yes I have two doctors and two nurses in my  family who 
diagnosed it
as cancer from observation only.They wanted me to go through the  regimen of 
treatment if
indeed after biopsy their diagnosis was confirmed.  I  procrastinated until 
this Dec. to do any-
thing with my nose as I was, needless to say, worried and upset. If  you want 
I will send you
a pict taken yesterday directly to your Email to give you a better  idea of 
what I say.   Pete 




Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- progress with eschar - successful conclusion

2005-12-17 Thread Marmar845
In a message dated 12/17/2005 12:28:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
new...@aapt.net.au writes:
Tonight we have put a dab on a mole on my back that has grown pinkish 
thickness around it.  If nothing happens, good, but if something does start 
to come away, good again.
***So where did y'all get your salve? MA


Re: CSHack Sale on spectrometer

2005-12-17 Thread Fred

Hi Bob,

There is no sale on the spectrometers. OThere is a sale on reagents  only.

Fred S
bob smith wrote:

I get a server error message when I try these addresses.  What is 
their price and is there another way of contacting them.   Bob  Smith




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mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: CSHack Sale on spectrometer



Anyone wanting to measure silver content with a spectrometere might note
that Hach is running a 25% off till end of December on their DR 2800 
unit
http://www.hach.com/hc/search.product.details.invoker/PackagingCode=DR2800-01/PREVIOUS_BREADCRUMB_ID=HcBridgePageHcDRKDRTNTplushtm/SESSIONID|AmhYV0ZJeE1UTTBOREEwT1RBd01EUTBKbWQxWlhOMFRRPT1BVQ==| 



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Re: CSBottles

2005-12-17 Thread sol
I prefer clear plastic (or would prefer clear glass if I used glass) for 
two reasons:  If something has contaminated my CS or my DW wasn't pure 
enough and it goes yellow, I can see it. If a batch goes yellow and 
silver plates out on the inside of the bottle or drops out into the 
bottom of the bottle I can see that. With colored bottles you can't see 
plating or drop out well, if at all.  Of course once you poured out the 
CS you would see the color, but plating and drop out are indicators your 
brew has probably really changed from what you thought it was, and ppm 
may have dropped far beyond the usual stabilization.

May not be a big deal, but I like to see my CS.
sol



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Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

2005-12-17 Thread sol
Could you tell us exactly how you made your homemade CS? I'd like to 
know if my homemade is comparable to yours or not.

thanks,
sol

Nancy DeLise wrote:


I must differ with you.  It was my experience...I took my homemade CS (16-24
oz. per day of approx 10ppm) for 2 1/2 years and got better BUT painfully
slow.  Thanks to this list, I learned about H2o2 and began adding it to my
CS 1 drop 3%  per 2 oz. of CS)I saw improvement much quicker...Finally I
learned about Sovereign Silver and with in months was very much improved.
People who have MS and started with Sovereign Silver saw results quicker
then I did with my homemade.
For most uses everyday I would say 1-2 oz. of home made per day is great,
and topically, there is NOTHING better...but for a disease ie: cancer, MS,
lupus, fibromyalgia, Lyme, etcI would do Sovereign Silver (At least a
combination of both home made and Sovereign Silver).
Nancy
 




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Re: CSH2O2 and EIS

2005-12-17 Thread sol
Same here. Adding H202 to CS makes the conductivity dropped and the TE 
increased. (though not always, I've seen it rise from H202---wonder if 
the age of the CS has anything to do with it.haven't done the 
experiments to check, my laser pointer died, and I haven't replaced it yet.

sol

Robert Berger wrote:


Hi Nancy,
 
What magnification did you use to make your mesurements.
 
When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a 
dark room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. developes, and 
to me indicates that agglomeration has set it.
 
This is most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart 
of EIS. When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and 
has a haze to it.
 
Something does not compute !!!
 




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RE: CScs as an injection ?!?

2005-12-17 Thread Nina Whit
YOU TELL IT TO A JUNKIE, bETTER YET ASK ANY MEDICAL DOCTOR aBOUT
ISOTONICITY.


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Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

2005-12-17 Thread Greg Ball
Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you 
take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your 
homemade silver?

Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink 
ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there 
something about the peroxide that's unique? Does it combine somehow with the 
silver?

Thanks so much for sharing!
  - Original Message - 
  From: solmailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Could you tell us exactly how you made your homemade CS? I'd like to 
  know if my homemade is comparable to yours or not.
  thanks,
  sol

  Nancy DeLise wrote:

  I must differ with you.  It was my experience...I took my homemade CS (16-24
  oz. per day of approx 10ppm) for 2 1/2 years and got better BUT painfully
  slow.  Thanks to this list, I learned about H2o2 and began adding it to my
  CS 1 drop 3%  per 2 oz. of CS)I saw improvement much quicker...Finally I
  learned about Sovereign Silver and with in months was very much improved.
  People who have MS and started with Sovereign Silver saw results quicker
  then I did with my homemade.
  For most uses everyday I would say 1-2 oz. of home made per day is great,
  and topically, there is NOTHING better...but for a disease ie: cancer, MS,
  lupus, fibromyalgia, Lyme, etcI would do Sovereign Silver (At least a
  combination of both home made and Sovereign Silver).
  Nancy

  


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