Re: CS> Spark plug protocol

[Indi]

Thanks Harold, I do have a six volt lantern battery godzilla but hadn't
thought to use it the "enhanced" way you suggest. Worth a try, I'm sure.
I didn't post my experiment with the spark plug trick to
microelectricitygermkiller because I know bg doesn't like to talk about
anything but low voltage. Probably he worries about liability, and I can't
say I blame him...


On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 04:23:52PM -0700, Harold MacDonald wrote:
> I trick I would try is this;
> Get a 6 ,or 9 volt battery, two copper wires,insulation stripped off each 
> end about 1 inch except one end enough to hold in one hand, wetted with 
> CS or salty water.
> Connect the other end of that wire  to the negative post - sign.
> Scotch tape one end of the other wire to the spider bite site wetting 
> same site with CS or salty water.
> With the other hand hold the loose wire near the positive post + 
> sign,then flick the wire across the + sign creating a mild spark.
> Repeat this rapidly for a time.
> When this spark is created a momentary higher voltage is created.
> You may not see a spark but if you have a small radio,tune it to a local  
> station and when you flick the wire across the battery a bit of static  
> should be heard.
> Instead of holding one wire in your hand,tape that end to your skin about 
> two inches away from the bite.Try the hand held way first to see if you 
> are affected by any electical shock.
> Harold
>
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Re: CS>The spark plug protocol

[Indi]

Thanks Malcolm, I do have a CS compress on it right now.
I'm alternating between room temp CS and hot epsom sat water 
compresses. The pain is greatly reduced, and maybe I'll get 
some sleep tonight without resorting to benedryl as I've been 
doing this past week...



On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 03:36:07PM -0700, Malcolm wrote:
> Hey Indi,  Good for you! I hope that neutralized the toxin, I expect so
> but a repeat might be useful if some of the neurotoxin somehow escaped
> reformation.  Glad I'm not the only dane-bramaged 'round these parts!
> Don't forget to apply your CS to help the damage already done to heal.
> Dr. Becker would gently bandage with CS soaked material covered with
> waterproof material, check and "debride" once a day -ouch!  Later used
> "Silverlon" bandages, which have become one of the standards for 2nd and
> 3rd degree burns; same idea though, promotes deep structure healing and
> minimizes scarring - that can be important to regaining full movement.
> Adhesions are a real pain, b'lieve me!
> 
> http://www.silverlon.com/
> 
> If you haven't yet, see if you can find a copy of The Body Electric by
> Dr. Robert O. Becker.
> 
> Might hold off on DMSO and such 'til things have stabilized and the
> surface has closed and the wound stopped draining.
> 
> Take care,
> M.
> 
> On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 20:59 +, Indi wrote: 
> > Ok, so I finally convinced a friend that she wasn't assisting me in
> > committing suicide by cranking the tractor while I held the spark plug 
> > wire to the bite on my left thigh. Taking Malcolm's advice, I took my 
> > left shoe off and stood on the ground (which is wet, because it rained 
> > earlier). The spark wouldn't quite get me that way, so I took some copper
> > bell wire and bent it so it was wedged in the electrode and wrapped the rest
> > around my thigh. My friend cranked the tractor, and I got zapped. It didn't
> > really hurt much. The burning sensation in the bite area was noticeably
> > reduced within a minute. It's been less than 10 minutes since I did this, 
> > hopefully now it will heal faster than it has been...
> > 
> > Cheers,
> 
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Re: CS>The spark plug protocol

[Indi]

Well, over the years I've done enough automotive repair work to have been
zapped a few times by "leaky" ignition cables. It's not very painful or
particularly dangerous, due to the extremely low amperage used. It just
stings a bit -- nothing compared to the pain I've endured this past
week from that bite. It has helped with the pain quite a bit, too.

-- 
indi

On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 04:18:24PM -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
>Holy cow! If I am ever am considering a semi-suicidal protocol I will be
>sure to suggest it to you first :-)
> 
> - Steve N
> 
>- Original Message -
>From: Indi 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Sun Jul 05 15:59:00 2009
>Subject: CS>The spark plug protocol
> 
>Ok, so I finally convinced a friend that she wasn't assisting me in
>committing suicide by cranking the tractor while I held the spark plug
>wire to the bite on my left thigh. Taking Malcolm's advice, I took my
>left shoe off and stood on the ground (which is wet, because it rained
>earlier). The spark wouldn't quite get me that way, so I took some copper
>bell wire and bent it so it was wedged in the electrode and wrapped the
>rest
>around my thigh. My friend cranked the tractor, and I got zapped. It
>didn't
>really hurt much. The burning sensation in the bite area was noticeably
>reduced within a minute. It's been less than 10 minutes since I did this,
>hopefully now it will heal faster than it has been...
> 
>Cheers,
>--
>indi
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Re: CS> 5 July - zappers & EIS gel

[Harold MacDonald]

The CS gel will more than likely make a better electrical connection making 
the pulse stronger,but, should have no effect on the frequency settings of 
the Zapper.

Even having a sweaty skin will enhance the effect,[salty].

Harold

- Original Message - 
From: "Sandee George" 

To: "Harold MacDonald" 
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS> 5 July - zappers & EIS gel


I have one of Hulda Clark's zappers whose pads have gel on so that  they 
stick to the skin - well I decided to use my own EIS gel when her  gel 
became un sticky, and they work well - now here is the technical  question 
for you all - will the silver in the gel increase the power  of the 
electrical pulse from the zapper, will it change the  programming of the 
key which changes the frequencies of the pulses out  of the zapper which is 
programmed for each malady being worked on  -  all very interesting to 
contemplate 

Looking forward to getting some interesting replies, thoughts and input
Regards
Sandee 



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CS> re spark plug protocol

[Harold MacDonald]

My previous post info. was intended to be used to neutralize venoms,not 
germs or bacteria.


Harold 



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Re: CS>Is CS effective for Herpes II

[Bob Banever]

Carol,

 CS can be effective for herpes... rub it on an existing lesion several 
times daily... as much as possible actually.  Mixing CS with DMSO 50/50 
might work even better.  Ingesting CS over a period of many months might get 
rid of the virus, but it lives in the basal ganglia near the brain, very 
difficult to get to.  Another approach is taking MMS... go to mmsdr.com for 
more details.  Good luck.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Kehoe" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: CS>Is CS effective for Herpes II


I'm wondering if CS is effective for Herpes II and if so, what would be 
the protocol.


I have a friend that was just diagnosed.  They told him that there is no 
cure, but they have some drugs that can keep it under control.


Carol

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But
then I repeat myself.

-- Mark Twain

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CS> Spark plud proto

[Harold MacDonald]

I trick I would try is this;
Get a 6 ,or 9 volt battery, two copper wires,insulation stripped off each 
end about 1 inch except one end enough to hold in one hand, wetted with CS 
or salty water.

Connect the other end of that wire  to the negative post - sign.
Scotch tape one end of the other wire to the spider bite site wetting same 
site with CS or salty water.
With the other hand hold the loose wire near the positive post + sign,then 
flick the wire across the + sign creating a mild spark.

Repeat this rapidly for a time.
When this spark is created a momentary higher voltage is created.
You may not see a spark but if you have a small radio,tune it to a local 
station and when you flick the wire across the battery a bit of static 
should be heard.
Instead of holding one wire in your hand,tape that end to your skin about 
two inches away from the bite.Try the hand held way first to see if you are 
affected by any electical shock.

Harold


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CS>Is CS effective for Herpes II

[Kehoe]

I'm wondering if CS is effective for Herpes II and if so, what would be the 
protocol.


I have a friend that was just diagnosed.  They told him that there is no 
cure, but they have some drugs that can keep it under control.


Carol

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But
then I repeat myself.

-- Mark Twain 



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CS>Update on list member?

[Pat]

I can't remember his name, but does anyone know how the young man is who had 
the surgery for the lung abscess and the You Tube video of them changing the 
dressing?



  Pat



  

Re: CS>The spark plug protocol

[Malcolm]

Hey Indi,  Good for you! I hope that neutralized the toxin, I expect so
but a repeat might be useful if some of the neurotoxin somehow escaped
reformation.  Glad I'm not the only dane-bramaged 'round these parts!
Don't forget to apply your CS to help the damage already done to heal.
Dr. Becker would gently bandage with CS soaked material covered with
waterproof material, check and "debride" once a day -ouch!  Later used
"Silverlon" bandages, which have become one of the standards for 2nd and
3rd degree burns; same idea though, promotes deep structure healing and
minimizes scarring - that can be important to regaining full movement.
Adhesions are a real pain, b'lieve me!

http://www.silverlon.com/

If you haven't yet, see if you can find a copy of The Body Electric by
Dr. Robert O. Becker.

Might hold off on DMSO and such 'til things have stabilized and the
surface has closed and the wound stopped draining.

Take care,
M.

On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 20:59 +, Indi wrote: 
> Ok, so I finally convinced a friend that she wasn't assisting me in
> committing suicide by cranking the tractor while I held the spark plug 
> wire to the bite on my left thigh. Taking Malcolm's advice, I took my 
> left shoe off and stood on the ground (which is wet, because it rained 
> earlier). The spark wouldn't quite get me that way, so I took some copper
> bell wire and bent it so it was wedged in the electrode and wrapped the rest
> around my thigh. My friend cranked the tractor, and I got zapped. It didn't
> really hurt much. The burning sensation in the bite area was noticeably
> reduced within a minute. It's been less than 10 minutes since I did this, 
> hopefully now it will heal faster than it has been...
> 
> Cheers,


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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Dave]

Drain bamaged?  Not me.

Dave


At 05:31 PM 7/5/2009, you wrote:

I'm in the brain damaged group, for sure.

;-)

On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Terry wrote:


Which group do you think you're in?

-Original Message-
From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'


It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you.
Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged.
;)

--
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Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted.




On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:

   You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't

a

   clue!  The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in
   'products' as they are now called.  Especially the ones termed

'natural'

   or organic.  Even products designed for babies have it in.
Probably

why

   so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose.  Dee

   ---Original Message---

   From: [1]Indi
   Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23
   To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com
   Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

   Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
   Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.

   --
   indi


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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Clayton Family]

I'm in the brain damaged group, for sure.

;-)

On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Terry wrote:


Which group do you think you're in?

-Original Message-
From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'


It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you.
Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged.
;)

--
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Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted.




On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
   You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there 
haven't

a

   clue!  The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in
   'products' as they are now called.  Especially the ones termed

'natural'
   or organic.  Even products designed for babies have it in.  
Probably

why

   so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose.  Dee

   ---Original Message---

   From: [1]Indi
   Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23
   To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com
   Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

   Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
   Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.

   --
   indi


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Re: CS>The spark plug protocol

[Norton, Steve]

Holy cow! If I am ever am considering a semi-suicidal protocol I will be sure 
to suggest it to you first :-)

 - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: Indi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Jul 05 15:59:00 2009
Subject: CS>The spark plug protocol

Ok, so I finally convinced a friend that she wasn't assisting me in
committing suicide by cranking the tractor while I held the spark plug 
wire to the bite on my left thigh. Taking Malcolm's advice, I took my 
left shoe off and stood on the ground (which is wet, because it rained 
earlier). The spark wouldn't quite get me that way, so I took some copper
bell wire and bent it so it was wedged in the electrode and wrapped the rest
around my thigh. My friend cranked the tractor, and I got zapped. It didn't
really hurt much. The burning sensation in the bite area was noticeably
reduced within a minute. It's been less than 10 minutes since I did this, 
hopefully now it will heal faster than it has been...

Cheers,
-- 
indi


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CS>The spark plug protocol

[Indi]

Ok, so I finally convinced a friend that she wasn't assisting me in
committing suicide by cranking the tractor while I held the spark plug 
wire to the bite on my left thigh. Taking Malcolm's advice, I took my 
left shoe off and stood on the ground (which is wet, because it rained 
earlier). The spark wouldn't quite get me that way, so I took some copper
bell wire and bent it so it was wedged in the electrode and wrapped the rest
around my thigh. My friend cranked the tractor, and I got zapped. It didn't
really hurt much. The burning sensation in the bite area was noticeably
reduced within a minute. It's been less than 10 minutes since I did this, 
hopefully now it will heal faster than it has been...

Cheers,
-- 
indi


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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Indi]

Why both, of course. That's why I'm doubly immune.
:D

-- 
indi



On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 01:46:57PM -0700, Terry wrote:
> Which group do you think you're in?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
> 
> 
> It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you.
> Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. 
> ;)
> 
> -- 
> indi
> 
> Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't
> a
> >clue!  The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in
> >'products' as they are now called.  Especially the ones termed
> 'natural'
> >or organic.  Even products designed for babies have it in.  Probably
> why
> >so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose.  Dee
> > 
> >---Original Message---
> > 
> >From: [1]Indi
> >Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23
> >To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com
> >Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
> > 
> >Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
> >Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.
> > 
> >--
> >indi
> > 
> > 
> > References
> > 
> >Visible links
> >1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com
> >2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
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RE: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Terry]

Which group do you think you're in?

-Original Message-
From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'


It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you.
Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. 
;)

-- 
indi

Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. 




On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
>You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't
a
>clue!  The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in
>'products' as they are now called.  Especially the ones termed
'natural'
>or organic.  Even products designed for babies have it in.  Probably
why
>so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose.  Dee
> 
>---Original Message---
> 
>From: [1]Indi
>Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23
>To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
> 
>Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
>Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.
> 
>--
>indi
> 
> 
> References
> 
>Visible links
>1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com
>2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com



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Re: CS>Silver & Probiotics

[Kirsteen Wright]

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Scotty  wrote:

> >How long should I leave between CS and probiotic or probiotic and CS if I
> do it that way? Any suggestions?
>
> Good question. It was suggested to me in the past that I wait at least two
> hours.
>

Thanks Scott. does it make any difference which one you take first?

Thanks
Kirsteen

Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Indi]

It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you.
Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. 
;)

-- 
indi

Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. 




On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
>You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a
>clue!  The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in
>'products' as they are now called.  Especially the ones termed 'natural'
>or organic.  Even products designed for babies have it in.  Probably why
>so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose.  Dee
> 
>---Original Message---
> 
>From: [1]Indi
>Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23
>To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
> 
>Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
>Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.
> 
>--
>indi
> 
> 
> References
> 
>Visible links
>1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com
>2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com



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CS>Moss: Rife Revisited?

[Norton, Steve]

FYI.
 I find the use of electromagnetic forces to cure ailments facinating.
 Maybe someday I will get around to building a Rife machine.
 - Steve N

_ oleanders...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun Jul 05 07:37:33 2009Subject: [oleandersoup] Moss: Rife Revisited?

Cancer Decisions® - Rife Revisited?http://www.cancerde cisions.com/ 
content/view/ 218/2/lang, english/
From: subscr...@cancerdec isions.com(Cancer Decisions  News Staff
Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2009, 10:16am (CDT+5)#398 :  Free Weekly Newsletter by Ralph 
W. Moss, PhD. July 5, 2009

RIFE REVISITED?Will scientists someday be able to 'dial up' an 
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Re: CS>Silver excretion rates

[Norton, Steve]

Dee,

The study stated that when bilairy excretion was blocked that excretion in the 
urine increased but did not say by how much. I will need to track down the 
original study to see what it says.
When you had your gallbladder removed were restrictions placed on your diet?

I meantoned constipation only because there is a relation between the amount of 
silver that passes into the bloodstream and the time it takes food to pass 
through the digestive system. Constipation would be beneficial except when in 
an overload condition. I don't think there is a way to quantify this. 

I think that the study supports the max excretion rate but is weak in its 
determination of the amount of ingested silver that actually enters the 
bloodstream. It estimates that at 10%. I am hoping to hear if anyone on the 
list has better information. 

- Steve N



From: Dee Fitzpatrick  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Sun Jul 05 08:27:29 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Silver excretion rates 


Thank you Steve, for this information.  I actually do suffer from two of these 
things, i.e.. Constipation and having no gall bladder.  I take in mostly a few 
ounces a day of CS so that shouldn't be a problem should it?  Many thanks 
again.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Norton, Steve  
Date: 05/07/2009 00:57:19
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver excretion rates
 
Dee,
You may have misunderstood a part of what I posted. The data showed that you 
can take up to 34 oz of 10 ppm EIS without exceeding the bodys abolity to 
eliminate the silver in one day. To be a problem you would need to exceed this 
amount every day for an extended period. In practical terms I think this comes 
close to being unlimited. Unless you are supplying your friend 2 gallons or 
more weekly there should be no problem. Assuming that the friend has no 
conditions that changes the normal absorption or excretion of silver such as:

* Constipation
* Liver disfunction
* Removed Gallbladder
* Gallstone blockage of bile

If no such conditions exists around 99% of the silver is excreted within a 
couple of days of ingestion. I hope this clarifies the issue some. 

- Steve N


<>

Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a
clue!  The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products
 as they are now called.  Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. 
Even products designed for babies have it in.  Probably why so many children
suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Indi
Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
 
Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.
 
--
indi
 <>

CS>Candida - does CS work against this? Or what?

[A. Reid Harvey]

Hi Everybody,

 

I have a friend, in whose family there is candida.  Can someone please tell me, 
is CS (EIS) effective against this?  And/ or are there other altrnatives?

 

Thanks!

Reid

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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Indi]

Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS.
Bronner's soap is the best, IMO.

-- 
indi

On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:05:26AM -0700, Malcolm wrote:
> Dee, I already know what 'Mercola' says.  IMNSHO, Mercola's site thrives
> on a contrarian POV.  Perhaps those of us who are "depleted" in the vit
> D department have other causes to look for, such as insufficient
> exposure to sunlight, too much clothing when outdoors, wrong time of
> day, Vits A, D, calcium and magnesium-poor diet, etc.  (Vegetarians are
> particularly susceptible to the deficiency because plant derived D is
> not the kind we use; even animal fats are likely to be deficient if the
> animals were raised in confinement with inadequate exposure to sun.)
> Whatever sodium laurel sulfate may do, I doubt it extracts cholesterol
> from the inner layers of the skin, but who knows?  This may become the
> new thinning and cardio protocol for the 21st century; just wash your
> HDL's away.  
> 
> The amount of time necessary for the body to absorb the vit D precursors
> generated by exposure to sun is 30 to 60 minutes, so unless you run
> inside to shower right away, you're probably ok even for the cholesterol
> containing skin oils from the sebaceous glands (and there are more
> cholesterols present than those found in the sebum.  BTW, the time
> required for the markers to show up in the blood is about 12 to 24 hours
> but the D is already bound to its delivery protein in about half an
> hour.
> 
> The times of day in which the UV-B from the sun is significantly present
> are 10 to 2.  It's the UV-B that does the conversion of cholesterol.
> 
> Tha'sall
> 
> On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 14:33 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why
> > we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course).  In
> > the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days
> > once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed
> > in just soap.  Not these SLS laden products most use now.  Dee 
> >  
> > ---Original Message---
> >  
> > From: Malcolm
> > Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
> >  
> > This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me
> > (always wonder about that):
> >  
> > 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and
> > B's
> > are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels.  My personal
> > experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess
> > (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky.  So far vit
> > D
> > hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks
> > plus.
> >  
> > 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or
> > certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a
> > few
> > layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal
> > bathing
> > any more than the cholesterols do.  I dunno what sunscreens do to or
> > for
> > it.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Annie B Smythe]

Sodium Laurel Sulfate, hmmm, I know it can penetrate the scalp if it's in a 
shampoo, and it can effect vision. But of all the things I've read about it, I've 
never read about it effecting Vit D manufactured in the skin. Not that that is 
impossible, if it penetrates the skin and combines with other things somehow..But 
I haven't done enough reading on it to say one way or the other. But Malcom's 
explanation sounds reasonable. ;> If I do some digging and find out something 
different I'll eat some crow I reckon, LOL.

Annie



Malcolm wrote:

Dee, I already know what 'Mercola' says.  IMNSHO, Mercola's site thrives
on a contrarian POV.  Perhaps those of us who are "depleted" in the vit
D department have other causes to look for, such as insufficient
exposure to sunlight, too much clothing when outdoors, wrong time of
day, Vits A, D, calcium and magnesium-poor diet, etc.  (Vegetarians are
particularly susceptible to the deficiency because plant derived D is
not the kind we use; even animal fats are likely to be deficient if the
animals were raised in confinement with inadequate exposure to sun.)
Whatever sodium laurel sulfate may do, I doubt it extracts cholesterol
from the inner layers of the skin, but who knows?  This may become the
new thinning and cardio protocol for the 21st century; just wash your
HDL's away.  

The amount of time necessary for the body to absorb the vit D precursors
generated by exposure to sun is 30 to 60 minutes, so unless you run
inside to shower right away, you're probably ok even for the cholesterol
containing skin oils from the sebaceous glands (and there are more
cholesterols present than those found in the sebum.  BTW, the time
required for the markers to show up in the blood is about 12 to 24 hours
but the D is already bound to its delivery protein in about half an
hour.

The times of day in which the UV-B from the sun is significantly present
are 10 to 2.  It's the UV-B that does the conversion of cholesterol.

Tha'sall

On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 14:33 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
  

Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why
we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course).  In
the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days
once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed
in just soap.  Not these SLS laden products most use now.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Malcolm

Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
 
This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me

(always wonder about that):
 
1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and

B's
are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels.  My personal
experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess
(my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky.  So far vit
D
hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks
plus.
 
2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or

certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a
few
layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal
bathing
any more than the cholesterols do.  I dunno what sunscreens do to or
for
it.
 








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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Malcolm]

Dee, I already know what 'Mercola' says.  IMNSHO, Mercola's site thrives
on a contrarian POV.  Perhaps those of us who are "depleted" in the vit
D department have other causes to look for, such as insufficient
exposure to sunlight, too much clothing when outdoors, wrong time of
day, Vits A, D, calcium and magnesium-poor diet, etc.  (Vegetarians are
particularly susceptible to the deficiency because plant derived D is
not the kind we use; even animal fats are likely to be deficient if the
animals were raised in confinement with inadequate exposure to sun.)
Whatever sodium laurel sulfate may do, I doubt it extracts cholesterol
from the inner layers of the skin, but who knows?  This may become the
new thinning and cardio protocol for the 21st century; just wash your
HDL's away.  

The amount of time necessary for the body to absorb the vit D precursors
generated by exposure to sun is 30 to 60 minutes, so unless you run
inside to shower right away, you're probably ok even for the cholesterol
containing skin oils from the sebaceous glands (and there are more
cholesterols present than those found in the sebum.  BTW, the time
required for the markers to show up in the blood is about 12 to 24 hours
but the D is already bound to its delivery protein in about half an
hour.

The times of day in which the UV-B from the sun is significantly present
are 10 to 2.  It's the UV-B that does the conversion of cholesterol.

Tha'sall

On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 14:33 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why
> we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course).  In
> the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days
> once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed
> in just soap.  Not these SLS laden products most use now.  Dee 
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> From: Malcolm
> Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
>  
> This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me
> (always wonder about that):
>  
> 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and
> B's
> are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels.  My personal
> experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess
> (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky.  So far vit
> D
> hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks
> plus.
>  
> 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or
> certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a
> few
> layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal
> bathing
> any more than the cholesterols do.  I dunno what sunscreens do to or
> for
> it.
>  
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Indi]

Thanks, Dee, some interesting reading there for sure.
Not quite ready to believe that vitamin D can be washed off the skin, 
but they do seem to make a pretty good case for supplementing it anyway.

-- 
indi



On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 07:18:13PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
>Hi Indi I just looked up that link [1]www.vitamindcouncil.com and found
>info there, but I have looked up various site (can't remember which of
>course) and they keep saying  the same thing as Mercola.  He does seem to
>research his subjects quite thoroughly though and its not all sales hype
>because initially a lot of stuff he recommended, he didn't actually sell.
>I have had a lot of stuff from him and its all been good too.  Dee
> 
>---Original Message---
> 
>From: [2]Indi
>Date: 04/07/2009 17:24:02
>To: [3]silver-l...@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
> 
>Hi Dee,
> 
>I searched for that info but didn't find it, seems all
>searches including the term "mercola" want to scream so many
>ads at me I just got overwhelmed by it all. And mercola.com
>raises too many red flags; they seem to be into harvesting
>email addresses and won't give much info without one.
> 
>I did find a video by some "health renegade" guy who promised
>an answer to the question, but I didn't have the stomach to
>survive the first minute of his self-promotion. He did look
>like he needed a bath though...
> 
>Is Mercola one of those people like Rife and Hulda Clark,
>surrounded by "vendors" hoping to profit from someone else's
>brilliance? If so, what are the good sites to reference his
>work?
> 
>--
>indi
> 
> 
> References
> 
>Visible links
>1. http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/
>2. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com
>3. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com



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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Annie B Smythe]

You need to do a little research instead of trying to scare people. That 
makes me really cranky! The Vit D3 added to the rat poison reduces the 
blood clotting ability in rodents. But that's not the way Vit D3 works 
in humans. Scaring people with half understood info, and promoting 
misinformation, is absolutely offensive, especially when a simple google 
search will give you as much information as you could ever desire about 
why they use Vit D3 in the rat poison. Vit D3 is not a poison to humans!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenticide


I also don't get what you have out of not taking Vit D, Vit D3 IS made 
by the body, and that article says the body can make its own Vit D. Yeah 
it can make its own Vit D, if you get enough sun. And even that 
information isn't always true. There are people who are born without the 
ability to produce Vit D so they have to take supplements. I know that 
for a fact because there's a lady who is on my friend's list on my blog 
who has that condition. And that crapola about night animals, is just 
that, crapola. A lot of animals do NOT handle vitamins and minerals the 
way the human body does, they require different amounts and may not 
require the same vitamins and minerals we do, their bodies also have a 
much different way of handling them, from digestion to excretion..Why do 
you think only certain animals are used for lab trials? And did you know 
that Vitamin D is also made by the fur of fuzzbutts that require it, and 
by the feathers of birds that require it? The way bodies work is a 
wondrous and awesome thing.



Annie




mborg...@att.net wrote:

Dianne,
Web address is
Marshallprotocol.com
  to: essential information about mp
  to:vit d basic information
This is about the largest base of information on vit. d I have found.
 
Also look up d3 rat poison

tomcatbrand.com
  they sell on the box label is
   Vitamin d3 rat poison

-- Original message from Dianne France
: --

please explain further and give the full web address, this one
wouldn't work.
 
From: mborg...@att.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:52:51 +

Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison.
Good information  at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572

-- Original message from Shirley Reed
: --

   About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader
or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse.  Yet,
what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might
be extremely important in many ways.  However, its
un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least
very slow.  Since then I have been on the lookout for more
info on Vit. D.  Only since computers became easily accessible
have I been able to get much more information.  Now there is
tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need
for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone.  It seems it
may actually be some sort of master nutrient.  There is much
to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com
 will be very enlightening. 
What is going on is that information that could once be

suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be
publicized far and wide by computers.  And it is being
publicized.  Similar to the information about the connection
between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of
other easily preventable poor health conditions.  My
opinion--considered and informed.  Not medical advice.pj




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RE: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[mborgert]

Dianne, 
Web address is
Marshallprotocol.com
  to: essential information about mp
  to:vit d basic information
This is about the largest base of information on vit. d I have found.
 
Also look up d3 rat poison
tomcatbrand.com
  they sell on the box label is
   Vitamin d3 rat poison
-- Original message from Dianne France : -- 

please explain further and give the full web address, this one wouldn't work. 

From: mborg...@att.netTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:52:51 +

Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison.
Good information  at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572
-- Original message from Shirley Reed : --    About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse.  Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways.  However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow.  Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D.  Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information.  Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone.  It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient.  There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening.  What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers.  And it is being publicized.  Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions.  My opinion--considered and informed.  Not medical advice.    pj

Re: CS>Silver & Probiotics

[Scotty]

>How long should I leave between CS and probiotic or probiotic and CS if I do 
>it that way? Any suggestions?

 
Good question. It was suggested to me in the past that I wait at least two 
hours.

Scott <><
"With God, all things are possible." - Mark 10:27



 





  

Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

I agree Annie, I tend to avoid going in the sun because I hate heat which
makes me feel ill.  I supplement with the cholecalciferol spray version. 
Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Annie B Smythe
Date: 04/07/2009 20:27:14
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
 
The problem nowadays is, though, that most jobs are indoors, not like in
the past when we had a more agrarian ruralized population where a lot of
people worked outside all day. And another factor in the equation is
that a lot of people are staying out of the sun deliberately; they
slather themselves with UV blocking sunscreens, or wear covering
clothing, when they are outdoors in the sun, because of the skin cancer
scare. Or maybe because of ticks that carry Lyme Disease...
 <>

Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why we
are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course).  In the old
days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days once a week if
you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed in just soap.  Not
these SLS laden products most use now.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Malcolm
Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
 
This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me
(always wonder about that):
 
1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and B's
are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels.  My personal
experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess
(my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky.  So far vit D
hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks
plus.
 
2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or
certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a few
layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal bathing
any more than the cholesterols do.  I dunno what sunscreens do to or for
it.
 <>

Re: CS>Vitamin D availability

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

I think the UVA rays get through glass, but not the UVB ones which are
important.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Shirley Reed
Date: 04/07/2009 23:38:27
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Vitamin D availability
 
   According to John Ott the light we get through transparent plastics and
all glass (nearly all) is deficient in some respects.  Some of the flowers
he tried to do his time-lapse photos on simply would not proceed to the full
flowering from the bud stage without exposure to light from certain sources.
 Some had to have full sunlight, some would flower with light through
plastic but not light through glass and some were opposite in this way.  I
think his work caused us to have available the plant light bulbs we can now
buy.  And since we spend a lot of time in cars with windows up and we wear
glasses and contacts while outside and the eyes use light to set some
internal clocks (so I've read), and in many other ways we are perhaps light
deprived---so many questions and so few carved in stone answers.  Jonathan V
 Wright had at least one case where a female could only regulate her monthly
cycle when she exposed herself to moonlight sufficiently!!   And I've read
that we need to be careful about taking Vit. A while supplementing with D3
to avoid toxicity.  But for my part the jury is in on Vit. D3 and
supplementation is definitely in order.  That www.vitamindcouncil.com site
is really good, imho.   pj

 <>

Re: CS>Silver excretion rates

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

Thank you Steve, for this information.  I actually do suffer from two of
these things, i.e.. Constipation and having no gall bladder.  I take in
mostly a few ounces a day of CS so that shouldn't be a problem should it? 
Many thanks again.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Norton, Steve
Date: 05/07/2009 00:57:19
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver excretion rates
 
Dee,
You may have misunderstood a part of what I posted. The data showed that you
can take up to 34 oz of 10 ppm EIS without exceeding the bodys abolity to
eliminate the silver in one day. To be a problem you would need to exceed
this amount every day for an extended period. In practical terms I think
this comes close to being unlimited. Unless you are supplying your friend 2
gallons or more weekly there should be no problem. Assuming that the friend
has no conditions that changes the normal absorption or excretion of silver
such as:

* Constipation
* Liver disfunction
* Removed Gallbladder
* Gallstone blockage of bile

If no such conditions exists around 99% of the silver is excreted within a
couple of days of ingestion. I hope this clarifies the issue some. 

- Steve N<>

CS>Silver & Probiotics

[Kirsteen Wright]

I take a probiotic night and morning, on the advice of my holistic
nutritionalist. I think I'm right in saying that taking CS at the same time
could interfere with this?

How long should I leave between CS and probiotic or probiotic and CS if I do
it that way? Any suggestions?

Thanks
Kirsteen

RE: CS>Brown Recluse Spider, What is Important

[Dianne France]

My dad was a mechanic all his life and a twisted jokester.  He had had polio 
and had so many treatments I don't think the nerves in his body worked right.  
He was bad about grabbing the coil on a car he was working on and touching 
someone.I personally didn't get close if he was working on a car.  He 
thought it was funnynot so sure.

 

Dianne
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:16:02 -0400
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> From: odecoy...@windstream.net
> Subject: Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider, What is Important
> 
> 
> 
> A 12 volt car battery is not a strong shock.
> A car "coil"..IS.
> ..pull a plug wire and dance baby dance.
> at over 20,000 volts
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> 
> At 08:24 AM 7/3/2009 -0400, you wrote:
> >car battery can not shock...
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: Dianne France
> >>To: silver-list
> >>Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:31 AM
> >>Subject: RE: CS>Brown Recluse Spider, What is Important
> >>
> >>I was watching a video once that said that if bitten by a poisonous 
> >>snake, they could shock the spot quickly, possibly 5-10 minutes they 
> >>could change the poison in the bite to a normal protein the body could 
> >>deal with and eliminate. I think they were using a strong shock like 
> >>from a car battery in the emergency. It's been a long time since I saw 
> >>the video so my memory might not be accurate.
> >>
> >>Dianne
> 
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RE: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Dianne France]

please explain further and give the full web address, this one wouldn't work.
 


From: mborg...@att.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:52:51 +



Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison.
Good information  at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572
-- Original message from Shirley Reed : 
-- 

   About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about 
how research on Vit. D was sparse.  Yet, what had been learned indicated that 
this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways.  However, its 
un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow.  Since 
then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D.  Only since computers 
became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information.  Now 
there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more 
of this nutrient for nearly everyone.  It seems it may actually be some sort of 
master nutrient.  There is much to be learned, but the site 
www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening.  What is going on is that 
information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, 
can now be publicized far and wide by computers.  And it is being publicized.  
Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and 
cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions.  
My opinion--considered and informed.  Not medical advice.pj