RE: CSSerious EIS Colour Questions.
Sorry, I believe I still haven't answered this.
Rather difficult to say really, light intensity, or lack of intensity, tends to
dull the red colour down a little, suspect with new batteries colour shade
would be similar to the others. The others look like they could burn a hole in
the wall {if you get my drift} but this one shows nowhere near as bright a spot
on the wall. This particular laser is only small though, and only throws a
small spot, but nevertheless it appears I've learnt something here about lasers
and how they lose their efficiency as batteries drain over time and use, or
there are differences in light emitting 'globe?' sizes which make a difference
to laser function.
Have to rethink my position on lasers indicating pretty much anything now,
apart from something being in the water besides water.
My theory on lasers indicating...nil, some or many particles seems to have
fallen into a rather large hole!! Oh well, a bit more humble pie won't kill
me. Those who know better would have ignored my ramblings anyway.
I think I've been given the answer though, if lasers need a specific amount of
'power' then that's what's wrong, batteries must be below that power 'limit'
for laser to function adequately thru a liquid, even though it throws a spot on
a wall as it exits the container.
N.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:15:03 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSerious EIS Colour Questions.
I had asked before but did not see an answer. Does the shade of red look
different for that laser?
Marshall
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RE: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?
Hi Shar, Theoretically It will probably have degrade a bit , It looses strength by outgassing slowly. I have 1/2 a litre of the 35% in exactly the same place in my frig, but mine is in its glass bottle, in a strong plastic screwtop transport container. It gets used slowly here and I can't say if it is weaker than it was when I bought it years ago. But the paper label on the bottle has disappeared; eaten by the H2O2 . OK, Tony On 15 Apr 2010 at 15:19, starshar wrote about : Subject : RE: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP Oh boy. I guess I'd better ask this question. I've had a pint of 35% in the freezer for at least the past 8 yrs. It's buried under and behind everything, and I think I've got it wrapped in foil. Any comments? (just the prinitable ones, please!) ;-) Sharon From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:58 PM Hi Dee, Yes , Take it out of the cardboard tube, You could wrap it in something plastic like bubble wrap if you feel nervous about it it bumping about. It would be good to keep it in a closed plastic container in the frig. And very prominently marked. Umm If somebody does take a drink of it get them to drink water to dilute the h202. There will be copious foam generated which must be burped to release. They must drink glass after glass of water . Maybe take it to your pharmacy to keep for you. OK. Tony On 15 Apr 2010 at 18:06, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about : Subject : Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP Thanks for this Del--it is scary! I have mine in the freezer but the lid is tightly closed so none gets out. It is also in a cardboard tube. Do you think I should take it out of there? I can't wait to get rid of it actually - and just go back to 3% as I am a bit of a coward about things combustible! dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Successful Tooth Tubule Disinfection In Vivo??
Tubules extend all the way to the enamel and to the surface of the tooth under the gum line. They are a thermally conductive pathway straight to the nerves inside as well as being porous and subject to the invasion of microbes that cause decay. If you have receding gums, they are exposed. Fluoride seals tubules preventing decay and reduces sensitivity but also embrittles the tooth. [Fluoridosis] If you could use Silver for that..it's not toxic, kills those germs and doesn't make teeth brittle. Deep cavities, tooth caps and root canals are already sealed with a thin layer of Silver foil glued on with a sort of varnish and have been for many years. Recall that probe pushing and paint smell just before the dentist packs the filler in or cements the cap on? Ode At 07:23 PM 4/15/2010 +, you wrote: Hi Steve, My apologies for this late reply, I have actually been out of circulation for a few days and have just replied to your AgCl post, above :). Yes, your assessment of my question is exactly what I meant...Or for someone who is about to get a tooth capped. I've located the yahoo group named Microelectricitygermkiller, thanks to Sandy, and their device named Godzilla, which I only have half the parts to build yet, seems to do exactly what I am looking for. I will know more, of course, as soon as I finish getting it built, and will report back here whatever I experience. Thank you Steve, stay well :). Linda :) --- -- Original message from Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com: -- What do you mean by an infection in tooth tubules? Tooth tubules are very small. Are you talking about an infection within individual tooth tubules? Does the person with the infection have a problem with missing tooth enamel or exposed tooth roots? Thanks, Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe deposition of AgCl into tubules of the human tooth dentine
To seal them up with a germ killing substance to prevent cavities and sensitive teeth and gum line infections.instead of using flouride for the sealing job with a toxic substance. Possibly a brilliantly simple solution to an ancient problem. Ode At 10:56 AM 4/15/2010 -0500, you wrote: I ran across the abstract for the article below but unfortunately it is one you have to purchase. While I find it curious, I am not convinced it is worth purchasing. I am wondering if anyone has any ideas as to why someone would even want to determine the deposition rate of AgCl into the tubules of the human tooth dentine by a DC current. A Google search did not turn up anything. Any ideas??? - Steve N http://iopscience.iop.org/0022-3727/34/6/303;jsessionid=A0C8837D4A7B340D 8F93B04995D89B83.c3 The deposition of AgCl into tubules of the human tooth dentine Abstract The deposition of AgCl in the human tooth dentine was studied as a function of the time and dc electrical field using a scanning electron microscope and by measurements of the frequency-dependent complex dielectric constant. Dielectric properties of the tooth dentine can be well described by the model which was recently developed for the dielectric response of hydrating porous cement paste. The fractal dimension of the tooth dentine was determined by the electron microscopy and dielectric spectroscopy techniques. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSerious EIS Colour Size/Zeta=[Malvern DLS]
Neville Munn wrote:
Apologies for the appalling way in which I put my queries, and
I'll answer in one go here.
1) Particle size and beam strength: What I meant to say
was...although the other colour reflected/refracted? is grey and
unseen with naked eye, if the light beam is 'reflected' from the
larger particles among the smaller particles, could that be a
misguided belief that there are a large number of larger particles
present in a given solution, when in actual fact there isn't?
Example: Lemon yellow solution {although this would apply to a clear
solution as well}...shine laser thru solution...strong beam of light
suggesting larger particles, BUT, could that beam strength also
indicate light 'refracting?' off those larger particles and as it
scatters in the liquid 'reflect?' light off the smaller ones, giving
the illusion that there are *many* larger particles in solution due to
beam strength, when if fact there may be a *lesser* number of larger
particles but the beam strength indicates otherwise.
As I indicated before the liquid is isotropic, thus whether any photons
refracted then hit a small particle is irrelevant, the probability of
hitting a small particle is the same regardless of what direction the
photon is moving. However if it is refracted it could end up outside of
the beam when it hits a particle, thus in actuality refraction would
result in a slight reduction in the intensity of the beam.
In a clear solution that beam would just appear stronger than perhaps
it otherwise would in a clear solution with minimal larger particles.
Jeez, I don't know if this is decipherable either?
Look at the equations, they tell the complete story. Reflection off a
particle goes up by the 6th power of the size of that particle. So if
you have 1% large particles which are 10 times bigger than 99% small
particles (by count, not ppm), then the amount of light coming off the
large particles will be 10^6/100, or 10,000 times as bright as what is
coming off the small particles even though they only account for 1% of
the partiles..
I'll move on to the other one...
2) Laser failing to pass thru liquid: Shone light thru
solution...puts spot on wall as light exits glass but no path thru
liquid. I believe both you and Dok have answered this one now.
Although you're right regarding spot 'size' on wall, I've switched
batteries over from laser with larger spot size {now there's the
appropriate larger spot size on wall with this laser} and there
appears to be little difference. If I look *real* close I can see a
*very* faint beam, but when batteries are returned to original laser
that beam is *very* evident. This suggests to me that there is a
basic difference in construction of both lasers {for the want of
better description}.
Laser light is laser light. If you are seeing a difference then it is
going to be either a difference in the intensity of the beam, or a lack
of coherence implying tht one is not lasing, provided they are the same
wavelength.
I believe I understand the different apearance of a laser spot as
compared to an LED. An led couldn't really be defined as a 'spot',
besides, they won't light up the trees 15 streets away with a 'spot'.
A laser beam is both coherent as well as columinated. An LED is
neither. A non lasing laser is an LED.
Marshall
If I still haven't made myself clear I guess we'll have to put it down
to a failure to communicate with the uneducated.
Your 'spot size on wall' indictor for the laser is very useful too
Marshall, Thanks very much for that. I knew there was a reason I
don't participate in other discussion groups anymore g.
N.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:09:51 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSerious EIS Colour Size/Zeta=[Malvern DLS]
You might be correct there, but I had assumed that the statement
that it
was throwing a good spot on the wall meant that it was lasing. If the
spot is more than 1/4 inch in diameter at 10 feet, then it would not be
a good spot on the wall as far as I am concerned. So, how big is the
spot on the wall at 10 to 20 feet? Should be about the size of a
pencil. If it is bigger then the laser is not lasing and is nothing
more than an LED.
Marshall
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?
Thanks Tony. dee On 15 Apr 2010, at 19:57, Tony Moody wrote: Hi Dee, Yes , Take it out of the cardboard tube, You could wrap it in something plastic like bubble wrap if you feel nervous about it it bumping about. It would be good to keep it in a closed plastic container in the frig. And very prominently marked. Umm If somebody does take a drink of it get them to drink water to dilute the h202. There will be copious foam generated which must be burped to release. They must drink glass after glass of water . Maybe take it to your pharmacy to keep for you. OK. Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?
This is what my shop bought one says too. Wish I'd stayed with it! dee On 15 Apr 2010, at 22:32, sol wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Not all brands use stabilizers. Diamond brand from the Dollar Tree is 100% 3% peroxide and water. It's cheap [$1] and they aren't concerned if it doesn't last a long time. Shows what I get for not re-checking labels in years. I checked the 3% I have on hand, plus checked two other brands at local disounters (Family Dollar and Shopko/Pamida) and none have any stabilizers, just H202 and purified water. This is interesting, as I'm certain I remember some other inactive ingredients being present years ago. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWisconsin Legislators Approve State Microbe
The article Wisconsin Legislators Approve State Microbe from The New York Times is on the level, humorous and charming. It's also short. Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/us/16microbe.html?ref=todayspaper Nenah
RE: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?
Hi Tony You say your's is in the refrigerator, but it's in glass. Mine is in the freezer, but it's in plastic. (one of these days I'll dig it out and see how it's holding up!) I'm just trying to weigh the benefits and drawbacks on either side of this storage equation. Thanks for letting me know I'm not the only H2O2 packrat! Sharon Hi Shar, Theoretically It will probably have degrade a bit , It looses strength by outgassing slowly. I have 1/2 a litre of the 35% in exactly the same place in my frig, but mine is in its glass bottle, in a strong plastic screwtop transport container. It gets used slowly here and I can't say if it is weaker than it was when I bought it years ago. But the paper label on the bottle has disappeared; eaten by the H2O2 . OK, Tony On 15 Apr 2010 at 15:19, starshar wrote about : Subject : RE: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP Oh boy. I guess I'd better ask this question. I've had a pint of 35% in the freezer for at least the past 8 yrs. It's buried under and behind everything, and I think I've got it wrapped in foil. Any comments? (just the prinitable ones, please!) ;-) Sharon From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:58 PM Hi Dee, Yes , Take it out of the cardboard tube, You could wrap it in something plastic like bubble wrap if you feel nervous about it it bumping about. It would be good to keep it in a closed plastic container in the frig. And very prominently marked. Umm If somebody does take a drink of it get them to drink water to dilute the h202. There will be copious foam generated which must be burped to release. They must drink glass after glass of water . Maybe take it to your pharmacy to keep for you. OK. Tony On 15 Apr 2010 at 18:06, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about : Subject : Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP Thanks for this Del--it is scary! I have mine in the freezer but the lid is tightly closed so none gets out. It is also in a cardboard tube. Do you think I should take it out of there? I can't wait to get rid of it actually - and just go back to 3% as I am a bit of a coward about things combustible! dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
It has been about a month now, and I decided to check my 100% colloidal solution. I opened the lid, and the solution is brown. Maybe closer to reddish brown. It has a weak tyndale effect. This is the solution that I added baking soda to in an effort to raise the PH to neutral. Is brown good? Any ideas? Tom - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Hello Steve, Original color was clear, upon adding the ascorbic acid the solution turned cloudy but the color was still clear, after a few days most of the cloudiness cleared up and it is still clear in color. The tyndall effect is much stronger after adding the ascorbic acid. Tom - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: RE: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Tom, What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred? Thanks, Steve N - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSYO YO EIS
I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 21:09 -0800, poast wrote: I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
