Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

[Richard Goodwin]

Yeah, I agree -- most things aren't worth worrying about.  My attitude is:  if 
I can do something about a problem, then I do, otherwise it is useless to sit 
around and worry about it.

The workers on the gypsum ships and on shore don't wear masks or any other 
protection, even with gypsum dust floating all around, so it doesn't seem like 
it is a problem.

Dick



- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 7:50:24 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector



   Depends on who made it and where and where it's used, for different reasons.
Chinese wallboard seems to grow mold in high humidity areas, Florida 
wallboard, *might* emit [ mold killing? ] radiation.
  The only way to tell is to get a Rad counter...and be your own judge 
about how much is too much for you.

Then move into a cinder block or stone house that emits more..or use 
paneling that out gasses Formaldehyde...or...

...foresee that you'll step in front of a carcinogen belching  bus in 10 
years and quit worrying yourself sick.

ode



At 01:36 PM 4/24/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Is gypsum dangerous in any way?
>
>I know every home just about is full of it in the form of wallboard, but I 
>live across the river from a gypsum plant where 300' ships arrive 
>periodically and offload many tons of gypsum that they then turn into 
>wallboard.  Any danger from that?
>
>Dick
>
>
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Re: CS>3 year old and CS

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

That would be me dead then!   dee

On 26 Apr 2010, at 07:16, Diane Mackey wrote:

>  
> 
>   No more toast, sandwich lunches or pasta.  When symptoms returned, I took 
> out dairy, with the exception of milk in my coffee and an occasional ice 
> cream.  Got well again. 
>  
> I rarely eat either ingredient any more, but if I do, I have consequences.
>  
> Diane


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CS>another question about cell phones

[PT Ferrance]

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the phone 
is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually talking?  Or 
all the time???
Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Golden Aldi]

Some phones will always give something off, and others, only when the phone
is in use...

I got myself an EMF reader, and checked all of the cell phones we had in our
house.  My Ericson gives off no radiation, but the motorola goes off the
radar the second you turn it on...

Aldi

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

>  Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the
> phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually
> talking?  Or all the time???
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Richard Goodwin]

It transmits and receives a lot when you aren't using it.  Some phones do much 
more than others.

It periodically checks in with the nearest tower to make sure the system knows 
it is there.  A keepalive thing.  This isn't a lot of transmission, just a few 
packets back and forth.  I think it does this every few minutes or so.  Most 
phones I believe use the lowest power they can get away with when they are 
transmitting, in order to save power.  But if the nearest tower is further 
away, then they will increase their transmit power until they get a response 
from the tower.

Some phones -- I discovered that my latest phone is one -- transmit and receive 
much more information.  Mine periodically synchronizes my contact list with my 
contacts in gmail, which is nice in some ways, but involved a LOT of data back 
and forth.  I know because I can hear it in any radio that is in the vicinity 
when it starts doing its thing.

I have also heard the radio interference after I turned the phone OFF!!!  I 
have no idea what it is doing when it is supposedly off.  Still keeping in 
touch maybe, sending GPS coordinates?  Who knows?  I'm sure someone does...

So if you don't want anybody to know where you are, turn off your phone, take 
out the battery, and might as well take out the sim card just for good measure, 
although I think once the battery is out, nothing else is going to happen.

Dick







From: PT Ferrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 9:45:55 AM
Subject: CS>another question about cell phones

 
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation 
danger when the phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you 
are actually talking?  Or all the time???
Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Del]

Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are holding it up to your 
ear.
If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits radiation only when in 
use.
But the cordless base/recharging station where the antenna is emits radiation 
constantly (just like a cell phone tower with antennas).
If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router also emits radiation constantly.
Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone tower in your house!
Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when you connect to the Wi-Fi 
system (kind of like the cell phone).
The problem is with the continuous types of exposure from base stations and for 
people who have a cell phone glued to their ear for hours a day.
The units kids use of texting also emit, but at least when texting they do not 
hold them to their ear - that helps.

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: PT Ferrance 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:45 AM
  Subject: CS>another question about cell phones


  Hi,
  I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the 
phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually 
talking?  Or all the time???
  Thanks.
  PT

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Bob Banever]

PT,

   As long as the phone is turned on it emits radiation... a less amount but 
still does.
  - Original Message - 
  From: PT Ferrance 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 6:45 AM
  Subject: CS>another question about cell phones


  Hi,
  I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the 
phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually 
talking?  Or all the time???
  Thanks.
  PT

RE: CS>another question about cell phones

[Lisa]

So here's a stupid and silly question - with all our technology and ability
to do loads of things.how come nobody has come up with something to
dissipate and/or get rid of the radiation so it's not so harmful? Isn't
there a way to do this (aside from getting rid of it of course) as cell
phones are here to stay and even though we do have a wireless router.we
don't use the wireless portion of it.

 

Lisa

 

  _  

From: Del [mailto:d...@altsystem.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones

 

Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are holding it up to
your ear.

If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits radiation only when in
use.

But the cordless base/recharging station where the antenna is emits
radiation constantly (just like a cell phone tower with antennas).

If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router also emits radiation
constantly.

Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone tower in your house!

Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when you connect to the Wi-Fi
system (kind of like the cell phone).

The problem is with the continuous types of exposure from base stations and
for people who have a cell phone glued to their ear for hours a day.

The units kids use of texting also emit, but at least when texting they do
not hold them to their ear - that helps.

 

Del

- Original Message - 

From: PT Ferrance   

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:45 AM

Subject: CS>another question about cell phones

 

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the
phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually
talking?  Or all the time???

Thanks.

PT

 

 

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[needling around]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question.  I use my cell phone as an 
alarm clock (nicer than an alarm clock) so I'm thinking I shouldn't leave it on 
my nightstand about 12 inches from my head!  I only keep it for an emergency 
and travelling and the alarm clock thing.  For some reason, I thought when I 
wasn't using it, it wasn't doing anything.  Who knew!
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:54 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones


  It transmits and receives a lot when you aren't using it.  Some phones do 
much more than others.

  It periodically checks in with the nearest tower to make sure the system 
knows it is there.  A keepalive thing.  This isn't a lot of transmission, just 
a few packets back and forth.  I think it does this every few minutes or so.  
Most phones I believe use the lowest power they can get away with when they are 
transmitting, in order to save power.  But if the nearest tower is further 
away, then they will increase their transmit power until they get a response 
from the tower.

  Some phones -- I discovered that my latest phone is one -- transmit and 
receive much more information.  Mine periodically synchronizes my contact list 
with my contacts in gmail, which is nice in some ways, but involved a LOT of 
data back and forth.  I know because I can hear it in any radio that is in the 
vicinity when it starts doing its thing.

  I have also heard the radio interference after I turned the phone OFF!!!  I 
have no idea what it is doing when it is supposedly off.  Still keeping in 
touch maybe, sending GPS coordinates?  Who knows?  I'm sure someone does...

  So if you don't want anybody to know where you are, turn off your phone, take 
out the battery, and might as well take out the sim card just for good measure, 
although I think once the battery is out, nothing else is going to happen.

  Dick






--
  From: PT Ferrance 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 9:45:55 AM
  Subject: CS>another question about cell phones


  Hi,
  I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the 
phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually 
talking?  Or all the time???
  Thanks.
  PT

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Richard Goodwin]

In order for a radio transmitter of any kind to reach a receiver, it has to 
emit electromagnetic radiation in the form of radio waves.  Radio and TV 
stations can transmit huge amounts of power, like 50,000 watts, and they do 
this continuously 24 hours/day.  Cell phone towers and public wifi access 
points transmit at much lower power levels, since they are trying to reach 
receivers only within a limited distance, like maybe 100 watts, e.g.  Cell 
phones themselves transmit in the neighborhood of 0.3 watts, I believe, and 
they do this only when they are actually sending data, so when you are not 
talking on the phone, it is quiet most of the time.

Dick






From: Lisa 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:08:38 AM
Subject: RE: CS>another question about cell phones

 
So here’s a stupid and silly
question – with all our technology and ability to do loads of things…how
come nobody has come up with something to dissipate and/or get rid of the
radiation so it’s not so harmful? Isn’t there a way to do this
(aside from getting rid of it of course) as cell phones are here to stay and
even though we do have a wireless router…we don’t use the wireless
portion of it.
 
Lisa
 


 
From:Del
[mailto:d...@altsystem.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:04
AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>another
question about cell phones
 
Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are
holding it up to your ear.
If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits
radiation only when in use.
But the cordless base/recharging station where the antenna
is emits radiation constantly (just like a cell phone tower with antennas).
If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router also emits
radiation constantly.
Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone tower in
your house!
Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when you connect
to the Wi-Fi system (kind of like the cell phone).
The problem is with the continuous types of exposure from
base stations and for people who have a cell phone glued to their ear for hours
a day.
The units kids use of texting also emit, but at least when
texting they do not hold them to their ear - that helps.
 
Del
>
>>
>- Original Message - 
>>
>From:PT Ferrance 
>>
>To:silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>
>Sent:Monday, April 26,
>2010 9:45 AM
>>
>Subject:CS>another
>question about cell phones
>>
> 
>>
>Hi,
>>
>I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when
>the phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are
>actually talking?  Or all the time???
>>
>Thanks.
>>
>PT
>>
> 
>>
> 

Re: CS>Statistics, and Death.

[Alan Jones]

Dee, it's not hard to make your own Hulda Clark Zapper, parts cost maybe $10
in the US (don't know about UK).  Plans are in Hulda's book (The Cure For
All Diseases), the full text of which is online (sorry don't have the URL
handy).

Alan

On 4/23/2010 4:56:01 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:

>
>>
>>> I'd like to get a zapper Chuck, but at the moment, I can't afford
>>> it--what
>>> with buying a distiller and an ultra-sonic cleaner lately etc.,  dee
>>>
>>>
-- 
Alan Jones

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people."  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)

Re: CS>Zapper

[Marshall Dudley]

I am an experimenter. So instead of building me a unit, or buying me 
one, I got an electronic pulse generator that can generate frequencies 
from .1 hz to 10 mhz.  I put a resistor in series with its output.  That 
allows me to experiment with the amplitude (voltage), current, 
frequency, polarity and wave shape.  I normally simply use the Hulga 
Clark settings though.


Marshall

Steve G wrote:

Kirsteen,

I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo 
group and read up on their files and postings.What they experiment 
with and use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the 
purpose of killing germs and viruses.They stronger advise against 
anything higher than 6 volts and believe that more than that is dangerous.


This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different 
levels apply.


I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical 
alternative treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife 
Machines and so on.   Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller 
yahoo group message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check 
out the web page I created that includes this info.


http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm










From: Kirsteen Wright 
Subject: CS>Zapper
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM

I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying
between these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any
advantage to having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might
be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen





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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

I will try to answer this question as best I can. I will state what I 
have verified, and leave most of the speculation out.


*1)* Most newer phones actually emit radiation even when off. I believe 
this change was made to facilitate a system of constant awareness of 
where one is at all times. There are avoidance methods for this I will 
discuss farther down. Also your phone can be remotely activated to 
facilitate extraction of GPS coords, phone logs, and even activate the 
microphone and camera.  I suspect newer phones will have cameras on both 
sides of the phone. (watch and see) Any photograph taken with your phone 
is imprinted with very precise map coordinates of the location of the 
photo.


*2)* Many newer phones have what is called "NFC" or "Nearfield 
Communication", this is basically an RFID broadcast/receive system in 
the phone. This will transmit even when the phone is turned off. The 
stated purpose of this is so you can use your phone to pay for things, 
buy gas, etc. However the unstated purpose is for tracking and 
identification of people. I expect they will replace all paper currency 
soon to contain a small RFID antenna linked to the serial number of the 
money so they can track cash movement, probably through a combination of 
technological devices. ATM machines will scan them, link them to your 
account, and your phone will ping back your currency situation, GPS 
location, etc. NFC is already operational in some airports, and allows 
them to see who you are, where you are, and what you are doing to a more 
accurate degree.  It's not Sci-Fi, it's already here: 
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2010-03-23-cellphones_N.htm


*3)* Most newer phones have "Variable" radiation levels, and this varies 
by a huge amount. Unknown to customers, some phones are using a sort of 
piggyback bandwidth system. Where if you are closer to an antenna than 
Joe, Joe rides on your signal.  What this does is increase the radiation 
coming off your phone.  AT&T is one company to avoid, I have measured 
very strong signals coming off their phones at 10YARDS!  One researcher 
said he discovered overly high radiation on some phones at 100 feet. 
Another thing is some phones are multi-band, and will use several bands 
at once. If you are on 4G, and using 4G services, your background GPS 
and other stuff might be on CDMA, this increases the radiation and 
frequency spread.. Given this, probably not a good idea to have them in 
ones sleeping location.


*4)* Most phones are heavily shielded on the opposite side of your head 
(that means non-beneficial to you). I have experimented with discarded 
phones and found them nearly indestructible to conventional methods to 
disable electronics. Once opened up, you will find super strong faraday 
cages and magnetic shielding on the important chips. (at least on the 
phones I hammered in half) But here is the odd part, this shielding is 
on the opposite side of the persons head in many cases.  I took a rare 
earth magnet, capable of lifting over 30 pounds of steel and placed it 
on a Nokia phone for 24 hours. The phone was fully functional after 
this. This is strange in an age when we're sold things that almost self 
destruct, have cheap components, and are designed to wear out with even 
mediocre use. Phones are the exception to this apparently.


*5) *Many new phones can bypass a pretty decent aluminum faraday cage, 
try it and see. Take a shoebox, line it with tin foil, place the phone 
inside, then call the phone. This was not possible years ago with older 
phones, but I am not entirely sure why newer phones aren't responding to 
basic level shielding.  Aluminum only blocks only certain kinds of 
radiation, which is why Xray machines have an aluminum cover over the 
gun that shoots the energy. (forgot the specifics, I no longer work in 
that field) Perhaps something changed with the radiation. This is worthy 
of further investigation.


Not one to present problems, or potential problems without solutions. So 
here are some solutions, all of which have not been investigated by me 
because frankly, I don't own or carry a cell phone.


*1)* The only reasonably anonymous phone company left from what I can 
gather is Tracfone.  You can activate online and choose to not disclose 
any information, and if you paid with cash at Target for everything, you 
are good to go. But the first time a phone is activated that GPS 
location is forever tagged. So some precautions, even with this phone 
would be to Pay cash, activate outside of your home area, and use a 
public access terminal to do it (Library Computer, etc) Even so, through 
usage patterns you will eventually be tagged, so replacement of the 
phone yearly is a good precaution. Many phones have hidden "Repair Mode" 
menus in them where you can disable GPS and a bunch of other stuff, 
research would have to be done for each particular phone.  Make friends 
with someone that programs them perhaps.


*2)* Keep your pho

Re: CS>Jim Humble site

[Marshall Dudley]

That domain is not owned by Jim, and the DNS on it has been removed from 
the DNS server. Here is the info on it:

Domain Name:MMSNEWS.ORG
Created On:11-Mar-2009 13:48:39 UTC
Last Updated On:24-Apr-2010 13:51:14 UTC
Expiration Date:11-Mar-2011 13:48:39 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:1API GmbH (R1724-LROR)
Status:HOLD
Status:PENDING DELETE RESTORABLE
Registrant ID:RFR3106373-HFEE
Registrant Name:Raul Fisher
Registrant Organization:Raul Fisher
Registrant Street1:Panama, via espana
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:panama
Registrant State/Province:panama
Registrant Postal Code:6-
Registrant Country:PA
Registrant Phone:+507.8009898
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:doma...@sky-ip.com
Admin ID:RFR3106373-HFEE
Admin Name:Raul Fisher
Admin Organization:Raul Fisher
Admin Street1:Panama, via espana
Admin City:panama
Admin State/Province:panama
Admin Postal Code:6-
Admin Country:PA
Admin Phone:+507.8009898
Admin Email:doma...@sky-ip.com
Tech ID:RFR3106373-HFEE
Tech Name:Raul Fisher
Tech Organization:Raul Fisher
Tech Street1:Panama, via espana
ech City:panama
Tech State/Province:panama
Tech Postal Code:6-
Tech Country:PA
Tech Phone:+507.8009898
Tech Email:doma...@sky-ip.com
Name Server:NS1.CYBERCASTCO.COM
Name Server:NS2.CYBERCASTCO.COM

It appears to be in Panama.

Marshall

Smitty wrote:

I sent an inquiry to Jim's email address & recd the following =

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

mmsn...@mmsnews.org

Technical details of permanent failure:
DNS Error: Domain name not found

~~

Anyone know what's going on ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11

[Marshall Dudley]

Looks like someone forgot to pay their hosting bill.

Marshall

Smitty wrote:

Ooops! Our newsletter site is temporarily down!
But we posted the newsletter right back up again
on another server =

http://www.mareaweb.net/mms/NEWS011.htm

We apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused you.
This is not a problem with the FDA, the ACS, the CIA , the FBI,
etc, and Jim is in excellent health.

It is a simple accounting issue that can be resolved on Monday.


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Re: CS>Zapper

[Ode Coyote]

  Copper bracelets...or...a few rounds of house wiring...added magnetic 
lines of force too, for induction purposes.


Ode


At 09:10 AM 4/25/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi
The genius of the "Don Croft" zapper is that it's kind of idiot proof and 
very wearable with the embedded copper contacts. Some wear it all day when 
in a jam. Croft climbed over a psychological barrier. The classic zapper 
has copper handles to spread out the electric but you will just use it in 
a session. You won't wear it for hours unless..


You take the initiative to cut two copper discs and tape them to yourself. 
Use those as electrodes. But then you are ripping tape off yourself 
(unpleasant) to move the electrodes to a new spot. With the Croft you can 
move it at a moment's notice. The Croft has orgonite inside and other 
hoopla. These are subtle energy enhancements. Do they really to enhance 
the  zapper? I don't know.


G








On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Ode Coyote 
<odecoy...@windstream.net> wrote:



 I don't think zappers actually "electrify" the blood.
 What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to what 
pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus acid. 
[similar to MMS]

 If I'm getting "Positive Offset" correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]"duty 
cycle" to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in 
the skin causing chemical burns.
 A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface 
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter of 
comfort level.


 Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current 
density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller less 
conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the electrolyte 
on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of the electrodes 
and how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that can go 
to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all current.


You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or 
no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.


Ode




At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between 
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to 
having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d


I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen



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Re: CS>Zapper

[Ode Coyote]

  To determine what is causing the burns, attach the electrodes to a strip 
of salt water soaked towel...run the Zapper for a while, then test with 
litmus paper and co-relate that info with which electrode was burning the skin.
My bet...too high a concentration of Sodium Hydroxide built up in the 
skin...made faster than the capillaries can carry it away into the blood 
stream.


Solutions:  Increase the area of that electrode [More skin, bigger basket 
hauls more freight faster ]  , decrease the conductivity of electrolytes, 
decrease the voltage at the electrodes with a potentiometer...or just stop 
and wait for a few minutes, every few minutes.
Everyone is different and the same people are different on different days, 
making instructions into suggestions to be applied with observation and 
common sense.


If it hurts when you do something this way, do it another way till it doesn't.
If you must stab yourself, at least dull the knife point till it won't kill 
you when you do...if you live, you can always sharpen it later.


IOW
Start slow and ramp up.
 Find the brake pedal first and never mind the gas pedal till you learn to 
drive at idle speed.
When you start slipping in the turns, there's your limit for the conditions 
of that day, on that track, using the tires you have.

 Crashing into the wall ends the race.

PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing 
what you were trying to do at that spot.
Shifting into reverse will slow down or stop the car too...but coasting 
might be a more efficient way, so long as you didn't get going too fast to 
start with.
 A lot easier on the tread. [Can't put the smoke back in. To get more 
smoke, gotta stop the wheel spin before the tread goes away, make it to the 
pit stop and grow some new tire and getting there on the rims after leaving 
body parts on the wall sorta sucks ]


..sorta like putting ice on the meat loaf after it burns rather than 
keeping an eye on the oven temperature.


Ode


At 09:24 AM 4/25/2010 -0400, you wrote:
I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my 
skin from it.

I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper bit.
Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

Del
- Original Message -
From: Garrick
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper
Hi
The genius of the "Don Croft" zapper is that it's kind of idiot proof and 
very wearable with the embedded copper contacts. Some wear it all day when 
in a jam. Croft climbed over a psychological barrier. The classic zapper 
has copper handles to spread out the electric but you will just use it in 
a session. You won't wear it for hours unless..
You take the initiative to cut two copper discs and tape them to yourself. 
Use those as electrodes. But then you are ripping tape off yourself 
(unpleasant) to move the electrodes to a new spot. With the Croft you can 
move it at a moment's notice. The Croft has orgonite inside and other 
hoopla. These are subtle energy enhancements. Do they really to enhance 
the  zapper? I don't know.

G







On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Ode Coyote 
<odecoy...@windstream.net> wrote:


 I don't think zappers actually "electrify" the blood.
 What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to what 
pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus acid. 
[similar to MMS]

 If I'm getting "Positive Offset" correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]"duty 
cycle" to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in 
the skin causing chemical burns.
 A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface 
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter of 
comfort level.
 Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current 
density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller less 
conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the electrolyte 
on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of the electrodes 
and how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that can go 
to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all current.
You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 volts...or 
no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are configured.

Ode



At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between 
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to 
having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

<

CS>Mike must be on vacation and so us errant kiddies shalt play

[Ode Coyote]

Gone OT

Ode


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Re: CS>Zapper

[Ode Coyote]

  The Godzilla IS a Zapper very basic...without the "magic" parts and 
possibly more reliant on common sense to use.

..not saying the magic doesn't [or does] work.
Could be that science is no more than repeatable magic.  A generic, more 
universal set of documented spells.


Who knows what lurks in the nonlocal field to be believed into a common 
experienced existence?
..and the laws of physics not laws at all, but rules of a game, changed 
upon a majority vote. [introduced into reality by "Cheaters" and Dreamers ]


"The fabric of reality is always coming apart at the "seems",  frayed along 
the edges to make unfamiliar weavings and patterns." [??]
IOW Miracles happen, seeing them... happens when you stop telling them what 
they should look like.


I've seen a lot of really weird impossible stuff and like everyone else, 
tend to cling to the familiar in an attempt to stay grounded within some 
random definition of sane.

..that keeps on changing when I'm not looking.

 Exlaxia Excrementia:  The belief that a proven sieve will be a bucket the 
next time you dump water into it, without changing the definition of water.
What didn't work for people, won't work again, unless people change the 
definition of self, itself.
..and there seems to be a new definition desired lately, that of "Ant" or 
"Bee"...absolute dependency of drones on Queens to impose an unchangeable 
order in the name of security.
..a death sentence to the imagination.a "concrete" reality.  Blocked 
all the way to the corners so they can't be turned, inescapable, till the 
rebel BECOMES magic and tears it all down.


[He bent himself over backwards so far that he ripped his pants ass under 
and enters a nude day. ]


Ode


At 05:39 AM 4/25/2010 -0700, you wrote:
So what I'm trying to figure out, with all of the information in these 
posts, is:  Is a Zapper the same thing, more or less, as a Godzilla?  I'm 
interested in the Zapper, but already have the Godzilla.  ???

MA




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Re: CS>Zapper

[Ode Coyote]

That's like saying a Skink isn't a lizard because it's not a Chamelon...or 
a lizard with no legs can't move, can't catch food and isn't a reptile.


 Well a hand grenade isn't a land mine, but they both work the same way 
and do the same things.
"Control" is the issue and a land mine can be wired up to a remote 
detonator and need not depend on random encounter.


ie, Put a leash on that Godzilla and train it and it'll do BETTER than a 
pre programmed Zapper that can't account for personal variables beyond its 
design.

YOU set the limits.  Climb into that lizards head.

It's your butt in the seat of the pants, why let somebody else who's never 
even seen those pants, wiggle it?


Ode



A Godzilla isn't the same thing as a zapper.

Bob



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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are holding it up to 
your ear.
* - incorrect, cell phones transmit even when not in use, and even when 
off in some cases.*


If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits radiation only 
when in use.
* - incorrect, all modern cordless phone handsets transmit at all times, 
even when on the base.*


But the cordless base/recharging station where the antenna is emits 
radiation constantly (just like a cell phone tower with antennas).
*- 99% of modern cordless phones do. 49mhz, and 900mhz cordless units 
do not.*


If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router also emits radiation 
constantly.
*  - Indeed, but it is much more harmful in my my tests when you have 
receivers of those signals in the home.*


Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone tower in your house!
* - True, they are a health hazard. The German govt. has told its 
citizens to turn off their routers.*


Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when you connect to the 
Wi-Fi system (kind of like the cell phone).
* - Even when off they do, as incredible as that seems. Modern laptops 
have some sort of WiFi setup that can't even be fully disabled in 
windows hardware configuration from control panel.  After disabling my 
sons, I still got WiFi signals from it.  Very curious!*


The problem is with the continuous types of exposure from base stations 
and for people who have a cell phone glued to their ear for hours a day.
* - Agreed, and it is cumulative. Your blood is disrupted, and can't 
keep up. It also induces a constant Candida overgrowth in the body 
combined with a lower PH. (Acidic)*


The units kids use of texting also emit, but at least when texting they 
do not hold them to their ear - that helps.
* - True, but newer phones have a huge bubble of bad energy, some over 
10+ feet.*


Some additional things I discovered through careful investigation...

1) There are many hidden sources of WiFi/Microwaves in the home.  
Xbox360's emit a powerful microwave signal even when turned off!  So 
keep them unplugged. Nintendo Wii emites a fairly good signal, even when 
OFF, so keep it unplugged.  Many new printers, shredders, cameras, 
shavers and other things emit pretty strong signals.  Buy older units, 
disable the wireless aspects, or find a good technician to dig inside 
and force it off. (these guys will be valuable in the coming times, for 
sure)


http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/16/xbox-360-sending-out-disruptive-2-4ghz-vibes/
*Xbox 360 sending out disruptive 2.4GHz vibes?*

2) You can find older 900mhz phones that don't power up until they are 
used. However I recommend corded phones in the home.  ONE COMPANY on the 
planet is making "Safe" DECT phones.. Imagine that, only one company! * 
This is an important video to watch:*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNy9R2c-2iE


http://www.lowradiation.co.uk/
Low Radiation DECT Cordless Phone


Del wrote:
Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are holding it up 
to your ear.
If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits radiation only 
when in use.
But the cordless base/recharging station where the antenna is emits 
radiation constantly (just like a cell phone tower with antennas).
If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router also emits radiation 
constantly.

Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone tower in your house!
Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when you connect to the 
Wi-Fi system (kind of like the cell phone).
The problem is with the continuous types of exposure from base 
stations and for people who have a cell phone glued to their ear for 
hours a day.
The units kids use of texting also emit, but at least when texting 
they do not hold them to their ear - that helps.
 
Del


- Original Message -
*From:* PT Ferrance 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 9:45 AM
*Subject:* CS>another question about cell phones

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger
when the phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when
you are actually talking?  Or all the time???
Thanks.
PT
 

Re: CS>Jim Humble site

[bodhisattva]

Did this guy piss someone off?   :-P

Marshall Dudley wrote:
That domain is not owned by Jim, and the DNS on it has been removed 
from the DNS server. Here is the info on it:

Domain Name:MMSNEWS.ORG
Created On:11-Mar-2009 13:48:39 UTC
Last Updated On:24-Apr-2010 13:51:14 UTC
Expiration Date:11-Mar-2011 13:48:39 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:1API GmbH (R1724-LROR)
Status:HOLD
Status:PENDING DELETE RESTORABLE
Registrant ID:RFR3106373-HFEE
Registrant Name:Raul Fisher
Registrant Organization:Raul Fisher
Registrant Street1:Panama, via espana
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:panama
Registrant State/Province:panama
Registrant Postal Code:6-
Registrant Country:PA
Registrant Phone:+507.8009898
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:doma...@sky-ip.com
Admin ID:RFR3106373-HFEE
Admin Name:Raul Fisher
Admin Organization:Raul Fisher
Admin Street1:Panama, via espana
Admin City:panama
Admin State/Province:panama
Admin Postal Code:6-
Admin Country:PA
Admin Phone:+507.8009898
Admin Email:doma...@sky-ip.com
Tech ID:RFR3106373-HFEE
Tech Name:Raul Fisher
Tech Organization:Raul Fisher
Tech Street1:Panama, via espana
ech City:panama
Tech State/Province:panama
Tech Postal Code:6-
Tech Country:PA
Tech Phone:+507.8009898
Tech Email:doma...@sky-ip.com
Name Server:NS1.CYBERCASTCO.COM
Name Server:NS2.CYBERCASTCO.COM

It appears to be in Panama.



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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Kathy Tankersley]

I don't know what a Wi-Fi system is?Thanks, Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Del 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:03 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones


  Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are holding it up to your 
ear.
  If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits radiation only when in 
use.
  But the cordless base/recharging station where the antenna is emits radiation 
constantly (just like a cell phone tower with antennas).
  If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router also emits radiation constantly.
  Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone tower in your house!
  Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when you connect to the Wi-Fi 
system (kind of like the cell phone).
  The problem is with the continuous types of exposure from base stations and 
for people who have a cell phone glued to their ear for hours a day.
  The units kids use of texting also emit, but at least when texting they do 
not hold them to their ear - that helps.

  Del
- Original Message - 
From: PT Ferrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:45 AM
Subject: CS>another question about cell phones


Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the 
phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually 
talking?  Or all the time???
Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Garrick]

Cordless phone you use at home will also zap your brain. I minimize cordless
use because of this.

Cell and cordlessthe obvious problem is they are held so close to your
brain for extended periods. I know one big cell talker who got brain cancer
and died. But most people roll OK with it. Though I'll bet it messes up
their thinking

G





On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:45 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

>  Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the
> phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually
> talking?  Or all the time???
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>



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Re: CS>Zapper

[Marshall Dudley]

Resonant frequencies will disrupt DNA.  This has been show with Rife 
technology.  A square wave is the fourier sum of all multiples of that 
frequency.  Thus a square wave will cause the DNA of pathogens to 
vibrate at their resonant frequency and break apart. Once broken apart 
DNA tends to drift back together and rejoin unless there is an electric 
field present to force separation of the parts.  That is how the zappers 
work.  The principle is the same, but the method of getting the quasi DC 
field is different between the Beck and Clark zappers.


The Clark zapper uses a DC offset to give the field, that is it uses 
pulsing DC.  The Beck unit uses a low frequency so that the parts are 
drawn sufficiently far apart that they cannot find each other during one 
half cycle of the wave.


I don't think the electrochemical byproducts forming at the poles are 
significant, since they would form on the surface of the skin, and the 
zappers work quite well on internal parasites which would never ever see 
these products.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  I don't think zappers actually "electrify" the blood.
 What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to 
what pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus 
acid. [similar to MMS]

 If I'm getting "Positive Offset" correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]"duty 
cycle" to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up 
in the skin causing chemical burns.
 A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface 
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter 
of comfort level.


 Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current 
density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller 
less conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the 
electrolyte on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of 
the electrodes and how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that 
can go to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all 
current.


You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2 
volts...or no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are 
configured.


Ode



At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between 
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to 
having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a 



and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d 



I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen



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Re: CS>Zapper

[Marshall Dudley]

You forgot to say that you have to tap the connection, that is make and 
break the connection for it for it to work.  DC does not work at all 
since it has no frequency components to resonate with the DNA.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Just hook yourself up to a 6 or 9 volt battery with a pair of 
alligator clip leads and take a break when you start feeling 
uncomfortable...or with copper pipe pieces as electrodes, switch hands 
now and then.


Ode


At 02:11 PM 4/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Do you know the details of how the Don Croft "zapper" is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals "in line" with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva 

wrote:

> My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design.  The

subtle

> energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
> electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
> anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
> assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
> things.
>
> We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I

purchased
> a second one!  The second one is coming from Africa, not made by 
Don but

by
> someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, 
and I want

> to test effectiveness.
>
>
> Kirsteen Wright wrote:
>>
>> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
>> these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage 
to having

>> the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a 


>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d 


>>
>> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>
>> Any advice would be really welcome
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kirsteen
>
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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

[Marshall Dudley]

I would be happy to discuss the corruption of the world's religions with 
you, but on the off topic list. If you are interested I will see you there.


Marshall

Garrick wrote:


Hi
I'm sure you know tons more about the world's religions than I do



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Re: CS>Zapper

[Garrick]

Is your home electronic pulse generator zapper wearable? That is what Don
Croft has for newbs and wise guys alike. The idea is to wear it for hours
and not be tethered to treatment sessions

One day we will wear computers...so say the geeks
But you can wear a zapper today! Eat your heart out Steve Jobs!


G







On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> I am an experimenter. So instead of building me a unit, or buying me one, I
> got an electronic pulse generator that can generate frequencies from .1 hz
> to 10 mhz.  I put a resistor in series with its output.  That allows me to
> experiment with the amplitude (voltage), current, frequency, polarity and
> wave shape.  I normally simply use the Hulga Clark settings though.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> Steve G wrote:
>
>> Kirsteen,
>>
>> I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo group
>> and read up on their files and postings.What they experiment with and
>> use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of
>> killing germs and viruses.They stronger advise against anything higher
>> than 6 volts and believe that more than that is dangerous.
>>
>> This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different
>> levels apply.
>>
>> I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical
>> alternative treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife
>> Machines and so on.   Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo
>> group message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check out the web
>> page I created that includes this info.
>>
>> http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Kirsteen Wright 
>>Subject: CS>Zapper
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM
>>
>>I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying
>>between these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any
>>advantage to having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might
>>be a good idea.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>>
>>and
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>>
>>I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>
>>Any advice would be really welcome
>>
>>Cheers
>>Kirsteen
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Richard Goodwin]

Wifi, bettern know as Wireless LAN, enables a computer to connect with the 
internet without plugging in an ethernet cable.  So you can, for example, take 
your laptop to a Panera Bread and sit there drinking coffee and sending email 
over the internet.  Same thing in a hotel or in your own home if you buy one of 
those little wifi routers and hook it to your internet connection.  Your laptop 
can then connect to the internet without wires.





From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 11:39:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones

 
I don't know what a Wi-Fi system 
is?Thanks, Kathy
- Original Message - 
>From: Del 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:03 
>AM
>Subject: Re: CS>another question about 
>  cell phones
>
>
>Only when in use - but, of course, that is when 
>  you are holding it up to your ear.
>If you have a cordless house phone, the handset 
>  emits radiation only when in use.
>But the cordless base/recharging station where 
>  the antenna is emits radiation constantly (just like a cell phone tower with 
>  antennas).
>If you have a WI-Fi system, your Wi-Fi router 
>  also emits radiation constantly.
>Having a Wi-Fi router is like having a cell phone 
>  tower in your house!
>Your laptop that uses Wi-Fi emits radiation when 
>  you connect to the Wi-Fi system (kind of like the cell phone).
>The problem is with the continuous types of 
>  exposure from base stations and for people who have a cell phone glued to 
>  their ear for hours a day.
>The units kids use of texting also emit, but at 
>  least when texting they do not hold them to their ear - that 
>  helps.
> 
>Del
>- Original Message - 
>>From: PT 
>>Ferrance 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:45 
>>AM
>>Subject: CS>another question about 
>>cell phones
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation 
>>danger when the phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when 
>>you are actually talking?  Or all the time???
>>Thanks.
>>PT
>> 
>> 

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Marshall Dudley]

PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when 
the phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are 
actually talking?  Or all the time???

Thanks.
PT
 
 
A cell phone emits radio waves at all times.  However it emits more when 
in use, and the most when placing a call or ringing.  The amount it 
emits also increases for most of them as you get further from the tower 
it is connected to, although the radiation from the tower goes down.


From what I can gather, radiation tends to hobble your immune system.  
Once the radiation stops, the immune system bounces back.  Since cancer 
cells are being formed continually in a person's body, from chemicals, 
radiation and what not, the immune system has to always seek them out 
and destroy them before they become a tumor.  If you are talking on a 
cell phone, then the immune system is unable to do this while the area 
is bathed in the microwave radiation.  Once you stop talking, the immune 
system should be able to go ahead and find and destroy the cancerous 
cells. Thus if you talk on it all the time you could be in real trouble, 
if you only talk occasionally it would likely not be a problem.  The 
point where the immune system is unable to keep up with cancer cell 
formation/division will depend on how well your immune system is doing.  
If someone is on the verge of getting cancer due to the immune system 
being compromised then it might take very little to cause the cancer to 
develop, but someone with a robust immune system might not be affected 
with even 16 hours a day of talking.


Marshall


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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

I suspect it does mess up thinking, or give what we call "Brain Fog", 
which at times, can be intense. They sort of cause you to lose 
awareness, or at least lose a deeper form of awareness. My wife and I 
marvel at how poorly we feel around areas with a lot of things kind of 
stuff.  I have many dozens, perhaps hundreds of stories that are pretty 
amazing. 

Normally my discernment is considered quite high, not so in those type 
of fields. For example over the weekend we took the kids to a mall about 
an hour from here. We hung out in an arcade for kids there, I sort of 
felt 'Confused' the entire time, sort of a lack of focus and 
connectivity. But more than this, one half of the arcade used tokens, 
the other half quarters, there was a sign up indicating this. But for 
some unknown reason, I didn't see the sign, and kept trying to feed 
tokens into the machines that operate on quarters! I felt pretty stupid 
about it, but realized that it was probably a product of the environment 
I was in, a whole lot of chaotic energy and EMF fields, my cells were 
probably all in a state of disharmony.


Over Christmas we took a drive down to another city to visit some famous 
Christmas lights.  While driving there the brain fog arrived, but this 
time, everyone we were with felt it.  One person said "Boy, I'm tired 
suddenly", another said "I got a headache now.".. Me, I said "It's the 
towers, how does your left frontal lobe feel?". Most people noted that 
it felt pretty off..  Very curious, but not so when you look up 
brainwave entrainment.  Regardless, once we got back into our orgonite 
field, everyone felt normal again. This happens too much for it to be a 
coincidence in my opinion.


My personal feeling walking around in those fields is a loss of 
connectivity to the Most High, lack of physical awareness of deeper 
things, less discernment, more scattered thinking, and sometimes 
elevated stress and frustration. Maybe a coincidence, but this guy felt 
something was very odd.  Perhaps random coincidence, who knows.  
Remember though, not only do you have the towers, WiFi, and other stuff, 
but all 100 other people in the building have cell phones pulsing every 
few seconds..


Garrick wrote:
Cordless phone you use at home will also zap your brain. I minimize 
cordless use because of this.


Cell and cordlessthe obvious problem is they are held so close to 
your brain for extended periods. I know one big cell talker who got 
brain cancer and died. But most people roll OK with it. Though I'll 
bet it messes up their thinking


G





On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:45 AM, PT Ferrance > wrote:


Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger
when the phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when
you are actually talking?  Or all the time???
Thanks.
PT
 
 

Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

[Alan Jones]

I had heard this before, I guessed ti was because American cigarettes were
laced with more nasty chemicals, no?

Alan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Garrick  wrote:

> You go to China and Japan and you will find less lung cancer and men there
> smoke more than in America and Europe.
>

-- 
Alan Jones

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people."  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)

CS>Gut bacteria and DNA sequencing and metagenomics and Human Microbiome Project

[Rowena]

   People new to CS sometimes worry that while killing off "bad"
   bacteria in the gut, the CS might also kill off "good" ones.
   If the people below are correct, that may not be a worry at all.
   Rowena


   http://bacteriality.com/2008/07/27/microbiome/#more-222
   
   http://bacteriality.com/ 



   Long article. Quotes below:


   Finally, bacteria enter the picture – the rise of metagenomics
   and the Human Microbiome Project

The paradigm shift described above, in which genetic mutations are 
viewed in a new light, has been largely fueled by a new movement in 
which scientists are now beginning to use molecular technology to detect 
and sequence bacteria in lieu of simply trying to grow them in the lab. 
These tools will allow researchers to bypass the need to culture 
bacteria, exploring the human microbiome by studying genes en masse, 
rather than studying the organisms themselves.


Recent studies that have used powerful molecular tools rather than 
standard cultivation techniques have left scientists slack-jawed at the 
number of bacterial DNA sequences that correspond to bacteria yet to be 
named or sequenced. A great number of sequences also correspond to 
bacteria never thought to have the capability of living on or within the 
human body. It has recently become all too clear that only a fraction of 
the bacteria capable of infecting humans grow in the lab, and that we 
have been oblivious to the presence of the majority of pathogens capable 
of entering our bodies. This realization that we harbor myriad unnamed 
and unidentified microbes comes at a time when the Human Genome Project 
is failing to capitalize on its promise to identify root causes for 
human disease.



As Mullard admits, “The microbes that swarm in and on the human body 
have always held a certain fascination for researchers. Since so few of 
them grow in the lab, it has been difficult to work out exactly who 
these microbial passengers are and how they interact with one another.” 
Whereas over the past century, standard laboratory culturing techniques 
have failed to detect the vast number of pathogens capable of infecting 
human beings, recent advances in molecular technology that allow for the 
sequencing of bacterial DNA mean that, at long last, we may be able to 
successfully identify and sequence the bacteria that cause disease.”


The reality is that the plethora of unknown pathogens that colonize the 
human body are the previously unrecognized puzzle piece behind chronic 
inflammatory disease. Enter metagenomics, a relatively new field of 
research that, thanks to advanced molecular techniques, enables 
researchers to study organisms not easily cultured in a laboratory as 
well as organisms in their natural environment.


..

This isn’t to say that there aren’t species of gut bacteria that can 
provide a benefit to their host. Yet increasing evidence points to the 
fact that the vast majority of gut bacteria are actually responsible for 
causing many bowel diseases previously considered to be of “unknown” 
cause. When faced with the large number of different inflammatory bowel 
diseases and the fact that a tremendous number of uncharacterized 
bacteria inhabit the gut, it’s logical that there’s a connection between 
the two phenomena. Of course, Marshall’s /in silico/ work, as well as 
data derived from the MP study site shows that patients who kill large 
numbers of gut bacteria end up recovering from a number of bowel 
diseases, providing a good deal of support for the above hypothesis.


This all invokes the rather controversial question, “Do humans really 
need gut bacteria?” Those patients to spend long periods of time on the 
MP have killed a great deal of their gut bacteria, yet seem to have GI 
tracts that function properly. Marshall has conceded that “good” gut 
bacteria could potentially exist, but as of yet, he has simply seen no 
evidence of a species that offers humans a benefit.



..

Rather than viewing the majority of them as “friends,” we may 
unfortunately have to face the fact that many of them are enemies, or at 
least not necessary for our well-being. It still remains unclear if 
humans would want to be completely bacteria-free if the option existed, 
but the possibility that a person would be in better health without 
bacteria is nevertheless an intriguing possibility. Or perhaps in the 
future, humans will be able to pick and choose the bacteria that will 
inhabit their guts, in order to harbor certain species that fit their 
specific needs.


.

Several studies support the possibility that chronic bacteria can infect 
the stem cells. A team of German researchers recently showed that 
patients who had suffered a heart attack (an event most likely caused by 
chronic bacterial forms in the heart 

Re: CS>Zapper

[Dan Nave]

You might be interested in checking out

http://soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020165.hay.pdf

 In the section on fasting he talks about curing pernicious anemia through
fasting.

Dan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Kirsteen Wright <
kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, I'm pretty sure I don't. I have M.E. (myalgic encephalomeyelitis not to
> be confused with chronic fatigue though politicians keep tryint to),
> pernicious aneamia, alpha 1 antitrypsin deficiency and the unfortunate
> ability to keep food in my stomach completely undigested but in extreme pain
> for anythiing up to 48 hours when, if I manage to sick it back up, it looks
> and smells exactly the same as when I ate it. Sorry if that's gross but you
> did ask 
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Paul Steel  wrote:
>
>>   Kristen
>>
>> Do you have lyme disease?
>>
>>
>> Paul Steel
>>
>> h 508.520.6905
>>
>> c 508.922.0519
>>
>> The harder you work the luckier you get!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Kirsteen Wright 
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Sat, April 24, 2010 2:42:03 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>Zapper
>>
>> To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago. However I've
>> been really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was hoping to get something
>> already made up to save the effort. Even if I want to make something I need
>> to hunt down the parts to get them delivered and I have so very very little
>> energy at the moment. Did you think these looked ok?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kirsteen
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Steve G  wrote:
>>
>>>   Kirsteen,
>>>
>>> I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo
>>> group and read up on their files and postings.What they experiment with
>>> and use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of
>>> killing germs and viruses.They stronger advise against anything higher
>>> than 6 volts and believe that more than that is dangerous.
>>>
>>> This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different
>>> levels apply.
>>>
>>> I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical
>>> alternative treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife
>>> Machines and so on.   Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo
>>> group message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check out the web
>>> page I created that includes this info.
>>>
>>> http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Kirsteen Wright 
>>> Subject: CS>Zapper
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
>>> these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
>>> the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>>>
>>> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>>
>>> Any advice would be really welcome
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Kirsteen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Gut bacteria and DNA sequencing and metagenomics and Human Microbiome Project

[Marshall Dudley]

CS doe not generally kill bacteria in the gut.

Marshall

Rowena wrote:





   People new to CS sometimes worry that while killing off "bad"
   bacteria in the gut, the CS might also kill off "good" ones.
   If the people below are correct, that may not be a worry at all.
   Rowena


   http://bacteriality.com/2008/07/27/microbiome/#more-222
   
   http://bacteriality.com/ 



   Long article. Quotes below:


   Finally, bacteria enter the picture ? the rise of metagenomics
   and the Human Microbiome Project

The paradigm shift described above, in which genetic mutations are 
viewed in a new light, has been largely fueled by a new movement in 
which scientists are now beginning to use molecular technology to 
detect and sequence bacteria in lieu of simply trying to grow them in 
the lab. These tools will allow researchers to bypass the need to 
culture bacteria, exploring the human microbiome by studying genes en 
masse, rather than studying the organisms themselves.


Recent studies that have used powerful molecular tools rather than 
standard cultivation techniques have left scientists slack-jawed at 
the number of bacterial DNA sequences that correspond to bacteria yet 
to be named or sequenced. A great number of sequences also correspond 
to bacteria never thought to have the capability of living on or 
within the human body. It has recently become all too clear that only 
a fraction of the bacteria capable of infecting humans grow in the 
lab, and that we have been oblivious to the presence of the majority 
of pathogens capable of entering our bodies. This realization that we 
harbor myriad unnamed and unidentified microbes comes at a time when 
the Human Genome Project is failing to capitalize on its promise to 
identify root causes for human disease.



As Mullard admits, ?The microbes that swarm in and on the human body 
have always held a certain fascination for researchers. Since so few 
of them grow in the lab, it has been difficult to work out exactly who 
these microbial passengers are and how they interact with one 
another.? Whereas over the past century, standard laboratory culturing 
techniques have failed to detect the vast number of pathogens capable 
of infecting human beings, recent advances in molecular technology 
that allow for the sequencing of bacterial DNA mean that, at long 
last, we may be able to successfully identify and sequence the 
bacteria that cause disease.?


The reality is that the plethora of unknown pathogens that colonize 
the human body are the previously unrecognized puzzle piece behind 
chronic inflammatory disease. Enter metagenomics, a relatively new 
field of research that, thanks to advanced molecular techniques, 
enables researchers to study organisms not easily cultured in a 
laboratory as well as organisms in their natural environment.


..

This isn?t to say that there aren?t species of gut bacteria that can 
provide a benefit to their host. Yet increasing evidence points to the 
fact that the vast majority of gut bacteria are actually responsible 
for causing many bowel diseases previously considered to be of 
?unknown? cause. When faced with the large number of different 
inflammatory bowel diseases and the fact that a tremendous number of 
uncharacterized bacteria inhabit the gut, it?s logical that there?s a 
connection between the two phenomena. Of course, Marshall?s /in 
silico/ work, as well as data derived from the MP study site shows 
that patients who kill large numbers of gut bacteria end up recovering 
from a number of bowel diseases, providing a good deal of support for 
the above hypothesis.


This all invokes the rather controversial question, ?Do humans really 
need gut bacteria?? Those patients to spend long periods of time on 
the MP have killed a great deal of their gut bacteria, yet seem to 
have GI tracts that function properly. Marshall has conceded that 
?good? gut bacteria could potentially exist, but as of yet, he has 
simply seen no evidence of a species that offers humans a benefit.



..

Rather than viewing the majority of them as ?friends,? we may 
unfortunately have to face the fact that many of them are enemies, or 
at least not necessary for our well-being. It still remains unclear if 
humans would want to be completely bacteria-free if the option 
existed, but the possibility that a person would be in better health 
without bacteria is nevertheless an intriguing possibility. Or perhaps 
in the future, humans will be able to pick and choose the bacteria 
that will inhabit their guts, in order to harbor certain species that 
fit their specific needs.


.

Several studies support the possibility that chronic bacteria can 
infect the stem cells. A team of German researchers recently showed 
that patients who had suffered a heart at

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Del]

I measured RF radiation from our cell phone when powered on but not in use, 
using our Electrosmog detector (this one: http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html#481)
The detector did not register any radiation above background (between 0.2 and 
0.8 microwatts per square meter).
When I keyed the phone as if to make a call, the meter jumped up to near 200 
microwatts per square meter.
So our cell phone does not emit when not in use (that is not to say that others 
don't, however.  Ours is about four years old at this point, a Samsung, don't 
know model number).
Same thing with the cordless phone - no radiation when not in use, but jumped 
off the scale when keyed.
Base unit, however, was off the scale all the time.  
We trashed our cordless phones as a result of the measurement.
Likewise our Wi-Fi router.
Turning on the microwave oven also pegged the meter, but we hardly ever use 
that, and it gives us a light over the cook stove, so we still have that.

Del

- Original Message - 
  From: bodhisattva 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:32 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones


  Only when in use - but, of course, that is when you are holding it up to your 
ear.
   - incorrect, cell phones transmit even when not in use, and even when off in 
some cases.

  If you have a cordless house phone, the handset emits radiation only when in 
use.
   - incorrect, all modern cordless phone handsets transmit at all times, even 
when on the base.

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Marshall Dudley]

The thing that irks me about cell phones is that they have GPS, and they 
will give the information to people you don't want having it, but will 
not give it to you.  Lets say that I am lost on the lake and my son is 
looking for me and has his GPS on the boat on, or I found a great 
campground and want to tell everyone where it is.  Well the phone knows, 
but there is no way to get it to give me the information.  If I call 
Verizon they tell me the only people who can read the gps is if I call 
911.  If I call 911 and ask them my co-ordinates they say they cannot 
give me the information on where I am. I pay for the ability, but it is 
disabled to where I cannot use it. It's crazy.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Zapper

[bodhisattva]

Fasting can be important, it turns the bodies resources from processing 
foods, to removing toxins. Fasting can also speed spiritual evolution, 
but by sensory or physical deprivation, but by a refocus of energy from 
incessant consumption, to higher faculties.


/Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting./

Dan Nave wrote:

You might be interested in checking out
 
http://soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020165.hay.pdf


 In the section on fasting he talks about curing pernicious anemia 
through fasting.


Dan

 
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Kirsteen Wright 
mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


No, I'm pretty sure I don't. I have M.E. (myalgic
encephalomeyelitis not to be confused with chronic fatigue though
politicians keep tryint to), pernicious aneamia, alpha 1
antitrypsin deficiency and the unfortunate ability to keep food in
my stomach completely undigested but in extreme pain for anythiing
up to 48 hours when, if I manage to sick it back up, it looks and
smells exactly the same as when I ate it. Sorry if that's gross
but you did ask 

Cheers
Kirsteen


On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Paul Steel mailto:pste...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Kristen
 
Do you have lyme disease?
 


Paul Steel

h 508.520.6905

c 508.922.0519

The harder you work the luckier you get!

 





*From:* Kirsteen Wright mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com>>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Sat, April 24, 2010 2:42:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Zapper

To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago.
However I've been really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was
hoping to get something already made up to save the effort.
Even if I want to make something I need to hunt down the parts
to get them delivered and I have so very very little energy at
the moment. Did you think these looked ok?

Cheers
Kirsteen

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Steve G mailto:chube...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Kirsteen,

I recommend that you check out the
microelectricity-germkiller yahoo group and read up on
their files and postings.What they experiment with and
use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the
purpose of killing germs and viruses.They stronger
advise against anything higher than 6 volts and believe
that more than that is dangerous.

This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so
different levels apply.

I found an excellent description comparing the various
electrical alternative treatments, including Clark's
Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife Machines and so on.   Message
18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo group
message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check
out the web page I created that includes this info.

http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm










From: Kirsteen Wright mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com>>
Subject: CS>Zapper
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM


I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am
toying between these two. I'd really welcome any
comments. Is there any advantage to having the dual
frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Richard Goodwin]

For a long time you couldn't access the NOAH weather website to get the weather 
or navigation charts, etc., for free, but had to go out and buy them from those 
privileged to have access, even though we had already paid through taxes for 
all the information there.  Fortunately that seems to have changed.

The I-phone and several others now have gps applications you can run that show 
you where you are, even with maps, just like the gps's in your car.  Things are 
changing.

Dick





- Original Message 
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 1:17:30 PM
Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones

The thing that irks me about cell phones is that they have GPS, and they will 
give the information to people you don't want having it, but will not give it 
to you.  Lets say that I am lost on the lake and my son is looking for me and 
has his GPS on the boat on, or I found a great campground and want to tell 
everyone where it is.  Well the phone knows, but there is no way to get it to 
give me the information.  If I call Verizon they tell me the only people who 
can read the gps is if I call 911.  If I call 911 and ask them my co-ordinates 
they say they cannot give me the information on where I am. I pay for the 
ability, but it is disabled to where I cannot use it. It's crazy.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Statistics, and Death.

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well that $10 will probably be more like £20 here Alan!  Thanks for the 
info...I will look into it.  dee

On 26 Apr 2010, at 15:53, Alan Jones wrote:

> Dee, it's not hard to make your own Hulda Clark Zapper, parts cost maybe $10 
> in the US (don't know about UK).  Plans are in Hulda's book (The Cure For All 
> Diseases), the full text of which is online (sorry don't have the URL handy).
> 
> Alan
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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

Think about it, if this feature was for you, you could use it.  It's not 
for you, it is for them. The next logical question is, why do they need 
or want this data?  Get ready for some twilight zone.


They want us to install a cell repeater in your home. But what they hope 
you don't pay attention to is that this unit also connects to a 
geo-stationary satellite, but more than this, they don't want you to 
figure out that it stays connected or can connect at any time to this 
satellite.  This is all aside from the radiation and monitoring aspects 
of course. Watch for gas/electrical meters to go Wireless, the radiation 
from these is quite large, and penetrates the back of your home - which 
is where most bedrooms are.


Seems to be a push to get exposure to this kind of thing higher, if you 
care to notice.  In relation to this topic: Anything you get for free 
from a publically traded corporation or govt. entity should be treated 
with suspicion in my opinion, although not overt paranoia - trust but 
verify.. The public in the UK discovered this when the govt issued 
"Trash Cans" to them, and some sneaky people found out these contained 
wireless transmitters that weighed your trash and gave then information 
specific to your trash activities. (I'm not kidding here) 

Funny thing, I purchased a new winter coat last year at "Kohls", the 
lady at the checkout whispered to me that there are short range spy 
chips in most new coats. I thought she was insane, but I listened. Then 
I said "Prove it", and she looked through the coat, found a slightly 
raised area, and said "Cut this out when you get home, and take a 
look"..  I did, and sure enough, there was a small transmitter/receiver 
unit, paper thin and very small built into the article. This was not the 
normal alarm one at the door apparently..  I cut it out of course.  At 
some point, we have to start asking what is going on here, and is all of 
this really necessary?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0
Katherine Albrecht: Spychips

Even more interesting, a good friend of mine told me to "Check the tags" 
on some clothes you buy.  He found little gobs of toxic film in each tag 
that are "Heat activated" and soak into your skin after a few days of 
wearing them, the evidence disappears.  I thought he was insane, but 
then I went and purchased a new pack of boxer shorts at Kohls, and cut 
open the tags, and found...   
http://s942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/?action=view¤t=spot.jpg  
I purchase all of my clothes used now as a measure of caution, your new 
stuff, chop off the tags.


http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/10/att-to-trial-3g-femtocells-next-year-in-home-cell-towers-coming-to-att.html


 In-home cell towers coming to AT&T

http://www.livescience.com/technology/060831_technovelgy.html


 Garbage Cans Pack Spy Chips



Marshall Dudley wrote:
The thing that irks me about cell phones is that they have GPS, and 
they will give the information to people you don't want having it, but 
will not give it to you.  Lets say that I am lost on the lake and my 
son is looking for me and has his GPS on the boat on, or I found a 
great campground and want to tell everyone where it is.  Well the 
phone knows, but there is no way to get it to give me the 
information.  If I call Verizon they tell me the only people who can 
read the gps is if I call 911.  If I call 911 and ask them my 
co-ordinates they say they cannot give me the information on where I 
am. I pay for the ability, but it is disabled to where I cannot use 
it. It's crazy.


Marshall

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I've never heard of this happening, and I live in the UK!  dee

On 26 Apr 2010, at 19:15, bodhisattva wrote:

>  The public in the UK discovered this when the govt issued "Trash Cans" to 
> them, and some sneaky people found out these contained wireless transmitters 
> that weighed your trash and gave then information specific to your trash 
> activities. (I'm not kidding here)  
> 


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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Richard Goodwin]

It's not paranoia if they are really after you.  And we already know they are.  
I get spam email ads based on what they read in my emails (yahoo and gmail both 
do this, and I'm sure all the "free" ones do as well).  And if they feel free 
to read your emails, both coming and going, for purposes of advertising, what 
other purposes do "they" have, and how many "theys" are there doing this?

I can't wait until I get a knock on the door based on something I said in an 
email.  

Or it could be more subtle, e.g., you talk about certain subjects and then find 
to your surprise that you are on a special scrutiny list when you try to get on 
a flight somewhere.  A friend of mine is on a do-not-fly list, and can't figure 
out how he got there, and they won't tell him..

Dick





From: bodhisattva 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 2:15:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones

Think about it, if this feature was for you, you could use it.  It's
not for you, it is for them. The next logical question is, why do they
need or want this data?  Get ready for some twilight zone.

They want us to install a cell repeater in your home. But what they
hope you don't pay attention to is that this unit also connects to a
geo-stationary satellite, but more than this, they don't want you to
figure out that it stays connected or can connect at any time to this
satellite.  This is all aside from the radiation and monitoring aspects
of course. Watch for gas/electrical meters to go Wireless, the
radiation from these is quite large, and penetrates the back of your
home - which is where most bedrooms are.

Seems to be a push to get exposure to this kind of thing higher, if you
care to notice.  In relation to this topic: Anything you get for free
from a publically traded corporation or govt. entity should be treated
with suspicion in my opinion, although not overt paranoia - trust but
verify.. The public in the UK discovered this when the govt issued
"Trash Cans" to them, and some sneaky people found out these contained
wireless transmitters that weighed your trash and gave then information
specific to your trash activities. (I'm not kidding here)  

Funny thing, I purchased a new winter coat last year at "Kohls", the
lady at the checkout whispered to me that there are short range spy
chips in most new coats. I thought she was insane, but I listened. Then
I said "Prove it", and she looked through the coat, found a slightly
raised area, and said "Cut this out when you get home, and take a
look"..  I did, and sure enough, there was a small transmitter/receiver
unit, paper thin and very small built into the article. This was not
the normal alarm one at the door apparently..  I cut it out of course. 
At some point, we have to start asking what is going on here, and is
all of this really necessary?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0
Katherine Albrecht: Spychips

Even more interesting, a good friend of mine told me to "Check the
tags" on some clothes you buy.  He found little gobs of toxic film in
each tag that are "Heat activated" and soak into your skin after a few
days of wearing them, the evidence disappears.  I thought he was
insane, but then I went and purchased a new pack of boxer shorts at
Kohls, and cut open the tags, and found...   
http://s942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/?action=view¤t=spot.jpg
 
I purchase all of my clothes used now as a measure of caution, your new
stuff, chop off the tags.

http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/10/att-to-trial-3g-femtocells-next-year-in-home-cell-towers-coming-to-att.html

In-home cell towers coming to 
AT&Thttp://www.livescience.com/technology/060831_technovelgy.html

Garbage Cans Pack Spy Chips

Marshall Dudley wrote: 
The
>thing that irks me about cell phones is that they have GPS, and they
>will give the information to people you don't want having it, but will
>not give it to you.  Lets say that I am lost on the lake and my son is
>looking for me and has his GPS on the boat on, or I found a great
>campground and want to tell everyone where it is.  Well the phone
>knows, but there is no way to get it to give me the information.  If I
>call Verizon they tell me the only people who can read the gps is if I
>call 911.  If I call 911 and ask them my co-ordinates they say they
>cannot give me the information on where I am. I pay for the ability,
>but it is disabled to where I cannot use it. It's crazy.
> 
>
>>Marshall
> 
>
>

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[needling around]

In some states in the USA they are already reading your meters without having 
to enter the home.  The meters, however, are at the point where there is the 
shortest distance to a pole or line... not necessarily the bedrooms.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: bodhisattva 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:15 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones


  Think about it, if this feature was for you, you could use it.  It's not for 
you, it is for them. The next logical question is, why do they need or want 
this data?  Get ready for some twilight zone.

  They want us to install a cell repeater in your home. But what they hope you 
don't pay attention to is that this unit also connects to a geo-stationary 
satellite, but more than this, they don't want you to figure out that it stays 
connected or can connect at any time to this satellite.  This is all aside from 
the radiation and monitoring aspects of course. Watch for gas/electrical meters 
to go Wireless, the radiation from these is quite large, and penetrates the 
back of your home - which is where most bedrooms are.

  Seems to be a push to get exposure to this kind of thing higher, if you care 
to notice.  In relation to this topic: Anything you get for free from a 
publically traded corporation or govt. entity should be treated with suspicion 
in my opinion, although not overt paranoia - trust but verify.. The public in 
the UK discovered this when the govt issued "Trash Cans" to them, and some 
sneaky people found out these contained wireless transmitters that weighed your 
trash and gave then information specific to your trash activities. (I'm not 
kidding here)  

  Funny thing, I purchased a new winter coat last year at "Kohls", the lady at 
the checkout whispered to me that there are short range spy chips in most new 
coats. I thought she was insane, but I listened. Then I said "Prove it", and 
she looked through the coat, found a slightly raised area, and said "Cut this 
out when you get home, and take a look"..  I did, and sure enough, there was a 
small transmitter/receiver unit, paper thin and very small built into the 
article. This was not the normal alarm one at the door apparently..  I cut it 
out of course.  At some point, we have to start asking what is going on here, 
and is all of this really necessary?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0
  Katherine Albrecht: Spychips

  Even more interesting, a good friend of mine told me to "Check the tags" on 
some clothes you buy.  He found little gobs of toxic film in each tag that are 
"Heat activated" and soak into your skin after a few days of wearing them, the 
evidence disappears.  I thought he was insane, but then I went and purchased a 
new pack of boxer shorts at Kohls, and cut open the tags, and found...   
http://s942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/?action=view¤t=spot.jpg
  I purchase all of my clothes used now as a measure of caution, your new 
stuff, chop off the tags.

  
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/10/att-to-trial-3g-femtocells-next-year-in-home-cell-towers-coming-to-att.html

  In-home cell towers coming to AT&T
  http://www.livescience.com/technology/060831_technovelgy.html

  Garbage Cans Pack Spy Chips


  Marshall Dudley wrote: 
The thing that irks me about cell phones is that they have GPS, and they 
will give the information to people you don't want having it, but will not give 
it to you.  Lets say that I am lost on the lake and my son is looking for me 
and has his GPS on the boat on, or I found a great campground and want to tell 
everyone where it is.  Well the phone knows, but there is no way to get it to 
give me the information.  If I call Verizon they tell me the only people who 
can read the gps is if I call 911.  If I call 911 and ask them my co-ordinates 
they say they cannot give me the information on where I am. I pay for the 
ability, but it is disabled to where I cannot use it. It's crazy. 

Marshall 

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

I've been telling people for years not to use shopper cards, discount 
cards, or clubs at stores. Last year my sister got coupons tailored to 
exactly what she purchased, but didn't ever fill anything out. Rude 
awakening, they scanned her purchase history.  In addition, the CDC 
"Sort of" let out that they used these shopper/check cards to track down 
people that purchased potentially tainted meat. So we KNOW govt has 
access to this data, when they want it. So if I purchase Hummus, am I a 
terrorist? Surprising, it has been alluded that they want RFID listed 
under the patriot act to force people to accept this, and the tracking 
it involves. (with legal mandate)


A good friend of mine was put on a "Watch List" for purchasing a book 
off Amazon called "Crossing the Rubicon".  He wasn't too happy about 
that situation.  My mother was in a library in a rural county checking 
out a book called "American Prophet", a red screen came up when the 
clerk scanned it.  The clerk called another clerk and said "You have to 
call that number".  They did, and had to give the person on the other 
end my mothers personal information, and then a "Code" that would allow 
them to move past that screen. For the next week my mother said she got 
strange calls trying to ask her survey questions about this or that, and 
said her number is unlisted, and nobody but family tends to know it.


Years ago I repeatedly tried to purchase a book called "How to become 
invisible" by a guy that goes into huge detail about how to regain some 
of  your privacy in a world gone wrong. The first company I bought it 
from online emailed me a few days later and said "Sorry, we can't sell 
you this."..  I picked another company, tried again, got "Sorry this 
book is unavailable for you.".  So I started encrypting my connection 
full time to 2048-Bit, using SSL/TLS, and switched to pre-paid Visa 
cards from the drug store, and the sale went through perfectly fine.  
Funny how that works out.. Now my techniques are way beyond this, and it 
is for good reason.


I'm honest to a fault, I do no wrong - ever, but when you start talking 
to people about stuff like natural cures, and other things (Zappers, 
Lyme, Cancer, Herbs, Ionizers, CS, Cell, Orgone, take your pick), you 
sort of start to gain a bit more attention.  Think this is nonsense? 
Check into the guy that invented "Cansema", a cancer cure.  Its 
unbelievable!  They even tried to get him to hire undercover 
agents(unknown to him) to help make the stuff, they setup fake copy 
companies to sell fake versions to trick people.. Eventually he left to 
Ecuador, became a citizen there. But the FDA/CIA kidnapped him at 
gunpoint on a dark road in Ecuador, rushed him to an American Airlines 
plane. The Ecuadorian govt. sent troops to stop them from taking one of 
their citizens, and were told that the aircraft was US-Soil.  Now he's 
rotting in a prison in this country, for what?  Curing Cancer.  This is 
serious business!


Chris Gussa has been trageted, quite often apparently.. Some old cowboy 
that just wants to help people.. It's really disgusting..  This is his 
website: http://plantcures.com/


So in reality, I suspect Dick is right.  Basically you get keyworded, 
flagged, the monitoring clicks on.  If you are sneaky, know a lot about 
these kinds of operations, have done your research, and deploy 
countermeasures, then they will get frustrated, and drop you off the 
list unless you pose an immediate threat to their agenda. (whatever that 
may be) Human intel is expensive, time consuming, and unreliable unless 
it is someone that poses a higher risk. (Cansema, Wikileaks, Don Croft, etc)


Richard Goodwin wrote:
It's not paranoia if they are really after you.  And we already know 
they are.  I get spam email ads based on what they read in my emails 
(yahoo and gmail both do this, and I'm sure all the "free" ones do as 
well).  And if they feel free to read your emails, both coming and 
going, for purposes of advertising, what other purposes do "they" 
have, and how many "theys" are there doing this?


I can't wait until I get a knock on the door based on something I said 
in an email. 

Or it could be more subtle, e.g., you talk about certain subjects and 
then find to your surprise that you are on a special scrutiny list 
when you try to get on a flight somewhere.  A friend of mine is on a 
do-not-fly list, and can't figure out how he got there, and they won't 
tell him..


Dick

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[needling around]

You might want to explain what a "cell repeater" is if you are warning against 
it.

Also, what are we looking for and where re tracking devices in clothing?  It 
would help to know what we are looking for.
Thanks.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: bodhisattva 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:15 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>another question about cell phones


  Think about it, if this feature was for you, you could use it.  It's not for 
you, it is for them. The next logical question is, why do they need or want 
this data?  Get ready for some twilight zone.

  They want us to install a cell repeater in your home. But what they hope you 
don't pay attention to is that this unit also connects to a geo-stationary 
satellite, but more than this, they don't want you to figure out that it stays 
connected or can connect at any time to this satellite.  This is all aside from 
the radiation and monitoring aspects of course. Watch for gas/electrical meters 
to go Wireless, the radiation from these is quite large, and penetrates the 
back of your home - which is where most bedrooms are.

  Seems to be a push to get exposure to this kind of thing higher, if you care 
to notice.  In relation to this topic: Anything you get for free from a 
publically traded corporation or govt. entity should be treated with suspicion 
in my opinion, although not overt paranoia - trust but verify.. The public in 
the UK discovered this when the govt issued "Trash Cans" to them, and some 
sneaky people found out these contained wireless transmitters that weighed your 
trash and gave then information specific to your trash activities. (I'm not 
kidding here)  

  Funny thing, I purchased a new winter coat last year at "Kohls", the lady at 
the checkout whispered to me that there are short range spy chips in most new 
coats. I thought she was insane, but I listened. Then I said "Prove it", and 
she looked through the coat, found a slightly raised area, and said "Cut this 
out when you get home, and take a look"..  I did, and sure enough, there was a 
small transmitter/receiver unit, paper thin and very small built into the 
article. This was not the normal alarm one at the door apparently..  I cut it 
out of course.  At some point, we have to start asking what is going on here, 
and is all of this really necessary?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0
  Katherine Albrecht: Spychips

  Even more interesting, a good friend of mine told me to "Check the tags" on 
some clothes you buy.  He found little gobs of toxic film in each tag that are 
"Heat activated" and soak into your skin after a few days of wearing them, the 
evidence disappears.  I thought he was insane, but then I went and purchased a 
new pack of boxer shorts at Kohls, and cut open the tags, and found...   
http://s942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/?action=view¤t=spot.jpg
  I purchase all of my clothes used now as a measure of caution, your new 
stuff, chop off the tags.

  
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/10/att-to-trial-3g-femtocells-next-year-in-home-cell-towers-coming-to-att.html

  In-home cell towers coming to AT&T
  http://www.livescience.com/technology/060831_technovelgy.html

  Garbage Cans Pack Spy Chips


  Marshall Dudley wrote: 
The thing that irks me about cell phones is that they have GPS, and they 
will give the information to people you don't want having it, but will not give 
it to you.  Lets say that I am lost on the lake and my son is looking for me 
and has his GPS on the boat on, or I found a great campground and want to tell 
everyone where it is.  Well the phone knows, but there is no way to get it to 
give me the information.  If I call Verizon they tell me the only people who 
can read the gps is if I call 911.  If I call 911 and ask them my co-ordinates 
they say they cannot give me the information on where I am. I pay for the 
ability, but it is disabled to where I cannot use it. It's crazy. 

Marshall 

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Hanneke]

Two Million Households now have spy devices in their bins.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/businessandecology/recycling/4996113/Two-million-households-now-have-spy-devices-in-their-bins.html






At 04:19 AM 27/04/2010, you wrote:

I've never heard of this happening, and I live in the UK!  dee

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Re: CS>Zapper

[Dan Nave]

I am interested in anything you have about increasing the body energy field etc.

Dan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:12 PM, bodhisattva  wrote:
> These are good tools to drop the viral/bacterial loads in your body down to
> levels your immune system can take off. That's been my experience over the
> last decade or so messing with them. I do find the Croft version, with the
> subtle enhancements, a bit more effective than the others I have tried, but
> the others will still "Do the job" I would suspect.
> The real gift is the mounted electrodes. I find myself wearing a zapper
> around at times.
>
> On a more esoteric note - and I realize this may be out of the spectrum of
> experience/belief for some. I found old documents from a pretty adept
> spiritual guy 50ish years ago. He said he discovered small "Charges" dumped
> unseen energy attachments off a human energy field. I wish I could find the
> link, he's passed away now. But he may have been the first person to link
> the functions of these types of gear as being related to unseen subtle
> attachments. I guess this may be part of the basis for Shock Therapy, and
> why it actually works for some people. =-O
>
> I've found immense benefit boosting the human energy field out to a larger
> radius. Most people are pretty degraded chemically, physically, and mentally
> to the point their energy fields are like swiss cheese, and are quite
> small.  This affords a poor shield from unseen things. I've had some amazing
> experiences boosting someones force field to say several feet. I believe
> people in the past had immense energy fields, and as a result were probably
> pretty "Tuned in" to the world around them - and grace, and probably much
> less vulnerable to a lot of stuff, you know?  Because of my work, I find
> benefit in keeping my field between 30-50 feet in diameter, and have had
> psychics verify this. It's not a guarantee, it just helps a whole lot. If
> one wants to explore the methods behind this, let me know. Don't worry it's
> not complicated, it's not some kind of ritual or any of that useless
> rubbish.
>
> I knew a Qigong master years ago, he told one one time he had to ride a bus
> into town, and about 10 people were on the cell phone inside a metal bus. He
> said it took virtually all of his energy to keep his energy field up and
> intact that he was physically, mentally, and spiritually degraded by the
> time he reached his destination.  I don't have anything to do with Qigong
> (and never tried it), but I found his stories very interesting in relation
> to energy fields and the stuff that is detrimental to them. Funny thing,
> this guy was 4'8, about 110pounds, at the time I was a 6'4" body builder,
> about 225 of pure steel, this guy could destroy me in any test of strength,
> not even close, I couldn't compare. This was my first introduction to
> energy, especially the harm of man-made microwaves and their hidden agenda.
>
> Peter Converse wrote:
>
> Hi Del,
>
> You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some nasty
> burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work though which is
> respected among his peers. The same thing can happen with any Godzilla if
> you're not careful.
>
> I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla used
> at varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing locations of the
> electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching from one wrist to another
> from time to time helps to minimize burning. Once you get a Godzilla burn it
> takes a very long time to completely heal and precludes any further
> experimentation on that same location for some time.
>
> As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can manipulate
> this by changing the size of your electrodes...larger electrodes yield lower
> current density at the same given voltage compared to a set of smaller
> electrodes. The current does not have to be high to "work". More is not
> necessarily better and can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive
> tissues can't tolerate higher voltages, for one thing.
>
> Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the group
> moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been cases of
> people (not on that group as far as I know) who have had heart attacks,
> probably from a preexisting heart condition, after licking the contacts of a
> 9V battery to test for enough "juice". In light of that, he is advising
> experimenters to stay with 6 volts so nobody drops dead while using his
> idea. That advice is good.
>
> That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts using the
> same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no subsequent
> heart related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra power sometimes
> which allows me to up my electrode sizes for some applications but I have
> found that a little more caution and attention is needed to avoid burns at
> this voltage when usi

Re: CS>Zapper

[Dan Nave]

Sorry, should have gone personal, not to list.

Dan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> I am interested in anything you have about increasing the body energy field 
> etc.
>
> Dan
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:12 PM, bodhisattva  wrote:
>> These are good tools to drop the viral/bacterial loads in your body down to
>> levels your immune system can take off. That's been my experience over the
>> last decade or so messing with them. I do find the Croft version, with the
>> subtle enhancements, a bit more effective than the others I have tried, but
>> the others will still "Do the job" I would suspect.
>> The real gift is the mounted electrodes. I find myself wearing a zapper
>> around at times.
>>
>> On a more esoteric note - and I realize this may be out of the spectrum of
>> experience/belief for some. I found old documents from a pretty adept
>> spiritual guy 50ish years ago. He said he discovered small "Charges" dumped
>> unseen energy attachments off a human energy field. I wish I could find the
>> link, he's passed away now. But he may have been the first person to link
>> the functions of these types of gear as being related to unseen subtle
>> attachments. I guess this may be part of the basis for Shock Therapy, and
>> why it actually works for some people. =-O
>>
>> I've found immense benefit boosting the human energy field out to a larger
>> radius. Most people are pretty degraded chemically, physically, and mentally
>> to the point their energy fields are like swiss cheese, and are quite
>> small.  This affords a poor shield from unseen things. I've had some amazing
>> experiences boosting someones force field to say several feet. I believe
>> people in the past had immense energy fields, and as a result were probably
>> pretty "Tuned in" to the world around them - and grace, and probably much
>> less vulnerable to a lot of stuff, you know?  Because of my work, I find
>> benefit in keeping my field between 30-50 feet in diameter, and have had
>> psychics verify this. It's not a guarantee, it just helps a whole lot. If
>> one wants to explore the methods behind this, let me know. Don't worry it's
>> not complicated, it's not some kind of ritual or any of that useless
>> rubbish.
>>
>> I knew a Qigong master years ago, he told one one time he had to ride a bus
>> into town, and about 10 people were on the cell phone inside a metal bus. He
>> said it took virtually all of his energy to keep his energy field up and
>> intact that he was physically, mentally, and spiritually degraded by the
>> time he reached his destination.  I don't have anything to do with Qigong
>> (and never tried it), but I found his stories very interesting in relation
>> to energy fields and the stuff that is detrimental to them. Funny thing,
>> this guy was 4'8, about 110pounds, at the time I was a 6'4" body builder,
>> about 225 of pure steel, this guy could destroy me in any test of strength,
>> not even close, I couldn't compare. This was my first introduction to
>> energy, especially the harm of man-made microwaves and their hidden agenda.
>>
>> Peter Converse wrote:
>>
>> Hi Del,
>>
>> You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some nasty
>> burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work though which is
>> respected among his peers. The same thing can happen with any Godzilla if
>> you're not careful.
>>
>> I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla used
>> at varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing locations of the
>> electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching from one wrist to another
>> from time to time helps to minimize burning. Once you get a Godzilla burn it
>> takes a very long time to completely heal and precludes any further
>> experimentation on that same location for some time.
>>
>> As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can manipulate
>> this by changing the size of your electrodes...larger electrodes yield lower
>> current density at the same given voltage compared to a set of smaller
>> electrodes. The current does not have to be high to "work". More is not
>> necessarily better and can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive
>> tissues can't tolerate higher voltages, for one thing.
>>
>> Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the group
>> moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been cases of
>> people (not on that group as far as I know) who have had heart attacks,
>> probably from a preexisting heart condition, after licking the contacts of a
>> 9V battery to test for enough "juice". In light of that, he is advising
>> experimenters to stay with 6 volts so nobody drops dead while using his
>> idea. That advice is good.
>>
>> That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts using the
>> same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no subsequent
>> heart related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra p

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

Femtocell or similar "Techs" are a wireless router type device that 
basically gives you a cell tower in your home.  Tags in coats can be 
hidden, or obvious, I ripped it out and shredded it with some scissors 
and tossed it in the trash.  I can take a camera to a local store and 
photograph a few I can find.  SOME are obvious, some are not. In fact, 
some actually say on them in fine print "Monitoring Chip, slice along 
this line to remove.".. Some do not. Feel along the "Seams" to see if 
you feel a bubble, then perhaps it is one.  Hit it really hard with a 
hammer a few times and it is disabled, and you don't have to rip open 
your coat!


All of this nonsense is reaching a new level of insanity, these people 
want a "Total Control" doctrine. They want push button robots or 
something. They want to know everything we do, and have easy access to 
this data. I recommend not making it easy for them as a measure of 
prudent precaution. Privacy is important in my opinion.  These people 
aren't God, but they sure seem to want to be one.


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/64663
'Pills to Be Electronically Outfitted with Transmitters'...
Other areas of interest include medicines that can tell a doctor if they 
have been taken on time, wireless monitoring of nutritional information, 
and sensors worn on the body or placed around the home that can detect 
if an elderly person has experienced a fall, alerting emergency 
personnel and the person's doctor. "Continuous monitoring of vibrations 
in the floor can detect falls and classify them according to the best 
choice of first responders -- either a 911 call or a visit from a 
caregiver," University of Virginia professor Robin Felder told the 
committee.  "Emerging technologies allow pills to be electronically 
outfitted with transmitters to communicate with the user's wristwatch 
that shows that the pill has been consumed," Felder continued. 
"Broadband connectivity of these devices would allow the electronic 
medical record to be updated with regard to medication compliance and 
efficacy."




needling around wrote:
You might want to explain what a "cell repeater" is if you are warning 
against it.
 
Also, what are we looking for and where re tracking devices in 
clothing?  It would help to know what we are looking for.

Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[bodhisattva]

Here's a true story.. This stuff is real, it's not fantasy land.

My wife works at a hospital.  Last year they issued "Collars" for all 
employees, even the health professionals (my wife). I told my wife they 
were doing that for "Total Control", and would use them to monitor 
everyones movements, track you, who you are talking to, and what you are 
saying.  She scoffed, and said I was being ridiculous about the matter. 
What happens?  Her friend is fired, they claimed she was in the break 
room too much during her shift. How did they know?  Yup.. The tracking 
collars they all have to wear around their necks. My wife kind of looked 
at me with a scared look, then said "Unbelievable..."..  Also, this 
device violates "HIPPA" regulations, why?  It broadcasts confidential 
patient data over a non-secure network, and broadcasts it verbally into 
a room regardless of where someone is, and who is listening.


Funny this, a year before my wife got one of those "Work Surveys" they 
claim are anonymous. I told my wife to absolutely not fill it out, 
saying they know exactly who does them, that there is an embedded code 
in them. She scoffed, said I was being ridiculous. The hospital also has 
a so-called "Anonymous" tip line for people with complaints about the 
work environment or their bosses..  Well you can guess what happens 
next, one of her co-workers gets booted for saying her bosses are losers 
on these "Services".


One you sort of figure it out, all of this stuff starts to become more 
and more obvious.  The first thing you lose is your innocent view of 
society - sadly.


needling around wrote:
You might want to explain what a "cell repeater" is if you are warning 
against it.
 
Also, what are we looking for and where re tracking devices in 
clothing?  It would help to know what we are looking for.

Thanks.
PT

CS>My email list.

[bodhisattva]

I have a small, 12 person email list for esoteric, healing type of 
discussions that people may be interested in. I am hesitant to promote 
it, because I don't want to appear to be stepping on anyones feet (Such 
as Mike here), but we seem to go off topic so much here (probably my 
fault in a lot of the cases), it might work out better on my list for 
those interested.  We have no topic that is out of the spectrum of my 
list.  I've never actively promoted it, it's always been a "Hey bud, how 
can we talk about stuff easier somewhere?" kind of thing that people 
joined for.


Anyone interested can go to:

http://lists.topica.com/lists/eso_healing

Everyone is welcome to apply.  I apologize in advance if this was 
inappropriate. Again, only 12 people on the list, I do not actively 
promote it anywhere, it's pretty private. But it's a relaxing place 
people can kick off their shoes, and talk about anything they want, 
without restriction. There's a few extremely spiritually advanced people 
on the list as well, and this can be quite enlivening. I'm not leaving 
this list, but will certain work harder to keep on topic per list owners 
request. CS is great, I like making it, and learning more about it.


Regards.


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Re: CS>another question about cell phones

[Renee]

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---Original Message---
 
I was wondering if anyone know of a cell phone radiation danger when the
phone is not in use?  Does it only emit radiation when you are actually
talking?  Or all the time???
Thanks.
PT