RE: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

[Neville Munn]

Couple of their quotes from one of Sovereign silvers marketing blurbs...
"what differentiates it from Colloidal Silver, Ionic Silver and other silver 
supplements?"
"It is the suspension of a high content (96%) of ultra-fine, positively charged 
silver ions (Ag+) in only pharmaceutical-grade purified water. This is not to 
be confused with ionic silver, an inferior form of neutral silver/silver salt 
that is in solution (dissolved), rather than in colloidal suspension".
Emphasis is mine.
Not to be confused with ionic silver - WHAT THE...???  Call me dumb but I 
suppose this must make sense to somebody - I just don't know who?

So which is it?  Colloidal silver, Ionic silver, or something else, or 
something which contains something else???  And yet their headline states, 
quote, "Sovereign Silver [Colloidal] silver hydrosol" end quote.  Again, what 
the hell is it then?
Don't know what form of water is classified as 'pharma-grade purified water'?  
The only water used in pharmacies here is just that - Pure water, nothing 
'pharma-grade' about pure water?
You stated you are a relative newcomer to EIS, well that's exactly the people 
marketers loove .
The other mob would operate on a similar basis.
Best philosophy is to not believe most marketers blurbs...and ignore the rest, 
they are all hustling to make a quid - YOUR quid!
N.

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:36:55 -0700
From: finpla...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

As a newbie to this health area I need some advice from those more 
knowledgeable than myself..Could someone please tell me if the two retail 
bought brands, Sovereign Silver and American Biotech (Silver Biotics) can be 
recommended as safe and effective?  Thank You
 

--- On Tue, 10/30/12, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:


From: Tel Tofflemire 
Subject: Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
D 

Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

[finplan65]

As a newbie to this health area I need some advice from those more 
knowledgeable than myself..Could someone please tell me if the two retail 
bought brands, Sovereign Silver and American Biotech (Silver Biotics) can be 
recommended as safe and effective?  Thank You
 

--- On Tue, 10/30/12, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:


From: Tel Tofflemire 
Subject: Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 3:54 PM




NOT IF YOU HAVE GOOD COLLOIDAL SILVER, MOST OF US DO.

 HOWEVER THEIR ARE SOME WHO SKIMP ON
THE PRICE THEY PAY FOR WHAT IS SAID TO BE PURE SILVER AND MAY NOT BE.

BUT BE WISE ! IS A GOOD WAY TO NOT GET IN TROUBLE. 

Tel Tofflemire






From: Lena Guyot 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?



Tart cherry juice (or capsules) is excellent for gout. Also avoid foods high in 
purines. L


On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

Mail Error.  Sorry, Jim


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jim Holmes  wrote:

Hi Mark,

Anecdotal report of CS helping Gout.  I have never seen any hard science on 
it.  FWIW; here it is. 

Jim 




On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:




  What we make "can"..if..

1]  You have something wrong with your metals elimination system [over loaded 
with copper + low Selenium?  ]
2] Abnormal body chemistry
3] you take a LOT of EIS, made very strong, for a long time.

One person in S Africa reported turning grey after making his CS as strong as 
he could and drank 2 large coffee mugs a day  for two years.
He said it helped with the pain of a bad case of gout and has not stopped his 
regimen.
The silver was probably combining with the uric acid crystals, neutralizing 
them somehow and was not being eliminated.

It is very rare that silver in any form at any amount turns people grey.
Normal elimination rate:  98% in 48 hours
Reported rate back in the days of no respirators etc, silver industry workers 
exposed to silver dust and smelting fumes daily...1 in 2000
 Somewhere around 5 have managed it with Home Made silver..out of how many 
hundreds of thousands in the past 30 or so years?
Odds, slim to almost none, but "possible"

Use some common sense.

Ode


At 08:59 PM 10/28/2012 +1100, you wrote:

"Does CS cause Argyria - turning gray?"

Well CS might, but what we produce won't.

Everyone may have differing opinions on this one, so I'll get in with mine 
.  What we make is (1) NOT colloidal silver {CS}, and (2) It won't cause 
Argyria because it's predominantly Ag+ ions and not neutral charged particles 
which are in higher numbers by ratio and as such won't collect in tissue, 
besides it doesn't stay in the system long enough.  What we make in the kitchen 
is a predominantly Ionic Silver Solution, and what particles there are, are far 
too small and in less quantity to cause any cosmetic issue.

Of course I can't speak for Dave, or anyone else who may have consumed or used 
large quantities for an extended amount of time, but if not consumed in large 
volumes or for an extended period of time as far as I'm concerned it won't 
cause Argyria.  There has not been one case of the consumption or use of our 
product reported by the FDA or our TGA as having resulted in Argyria.  Every 
report they waffle on about refer to that product called 'CS' or 'Colloidal 
Silver', and most refer to silver nitrates, silver acetates, solutions produced 
by people who are ignorant or wilfully go against the correct production 
procedure, or a product containing a form of stabiliser {usually higher ppm 
level products} and a host of other 'stuff?' of which is not what we produce.

To recap: My opinion...NO, EIS {Electrolytically Isolated Silver} or a 
'predominantly Ionic Silver Solution' will not cause Argyria.

N.



Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 23:16:13 -0700
From: jsmpren...@sbcglobal.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
CC: jssmpren...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

Hi,
I am new to this list and considering buying a kit to make CS at home for Lyme 
treatment.
I thought I had read CS does not cause Argeria--turning skin gray. But then I 
read in a  post today that  Dave  said 
>  " After killing Active Lyme for 10 years with a vigorous CS protocol ( 4
>   oz
> every 20 minutes for three days) and a maintenance dose of  a glass a day
> or more like drinking water,  I started turning quite gray from Argeria"

I would appreciate those with experience opinion on this.

ALso when I went to silver puppy.com web site I got very confused. THe site 
does not mention silver puppy. It is about Coyote Zenterprizes. Is that the 
correct site to order from. IS it the standard automatic CS generator was 
recommended. Should I purchase a stirrer also?

Thank you for your help.
Sandy

Re: CS>Sunflower Lecithin

[Ole Alstrup]

For Melly;


It took a long time, (wont bore you with the details) but I was finally able to 
get the technical info on this. The Blue Mountain product is solvent extracted 
using hexane. It is made by Cargill Inc. in Europe. The brandname of this 
lecithin is Topcithin.

Fortunately, you can get a true mechanically extracted raw ORGANIC sunflower 
lecithin from Lekithos Inc. in the US without the use of chemical solvents. I 
have seen the certification from both Lekithos and obtained extended specs from 
their German supplier, who source this lecithin from Italy. 


http://www.mysunflowerlecithin.com/100-organic-liquid-sunflower-lecithin/

 

Using this liquid sunflower lecithin with pure sodium ascorbate makes a 
superior liposomal Vitamin C, its awesome.


~ Ole




>
> From: Ole Alstrup 
>To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
>Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 1:09
>Subject: Re: CS>Sunflower Lecithin
> 
>
>I am getting some technical papers on it, will revert back next week.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Melly Bag 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2012, 21:01
>>Subject: CS>Sunflower Lecithin
>> 
>>
>>Ole,
>> 
>>I can't remember the name of the woman I've dealt with.  We had conversation 
>>over the phone for a few days.  When i called i was "passed around" until i 
>>landed on her.  This incident took place three years ago.
>> 
>>Melly 
>>
>>
>
>

CS>Thanks

[Shirley Reed]

Thank you, Z.  I had that info but was not certain of just what it meant.  Now 
I know.   :)  pj

Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

[Tel Tofflemire]

NOT IF YOU HAVE GOOD COLLOIDAL SILVER, MOST OF US DO.

 HOWEVER THEIR ARE SOME WHO SKIMP ON
THE PRICE THEY PAY FOR WHAT IS SAID TO BE PURE SILVER AND MAY NOT BE.

BUT BE WISE ! IS A GOOD WAY TO NOT GET IN TROUBLE. 

Tel Tofflemire



 From: Lena Guyot 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
 

Tart cherry juice (or capsules) is excellent for gout. Also avoid foods high in 
purines. L

On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

Mail Error.  Sorry, Jim
>
>
>On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jim Holmes  wrote:
>
>Hi Mark,
>>
>>Anecdotal report of CS helping Gout.  I have never seen any hard science on 
>>it.  FWIW; here it is. 
>>
>>Jim 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  What we make "can"..if..
>>>
>>>1]  You have something wrong with your metals elimination system
[over loaded with copper + low Selenium?  ]
>>>2] Abnormal body chemistry
>>>3] you take a LOT of EIS, made very strong, for a long time.
>>>
>>>One person in S Africa reported turning grey after making his CS as
strong as he could and drank 2 large coffee mugs a day  for two
years.
>>>He said it helped with the pain of a bad case of gout and has not stopped
his regimen.
>>>The silver was probably combining with the uric acid crystals,
neutralizing them somehow and was not being eliminated.
>>>
>>>It is very rare that silver in any form at any amount turns people
grey.
>>>Normal elimination rate:  98% in 48 hours
>>>Reported rate back in the days of no respirators etc, silver industry
workers exposed to silver dust and smelting fumes daily...1 in 2000
>>> Somewhere around 5 have managed it with Home Made silver..out of
how many hundreds of thousands in the past 30 or so years?
>>>Odds, slim to almost none, but "possible"
>>>
>>>Use some common sense.
>>>
>>>Ode
>>>
>>>
>>>At 08:59 PM 10/28/2012 +1100, you wrote:
>>>
>>>"Does CS cause Argyria -
turning gray?"

Well CS might, but what we produce won't.

Everyone may have differing opinions on this one, so I'll get in with
mine .  What we make is (1) NOT colloidal silver {CS}, and
(2) It won't cause Argyria because it's predominantly Ag+ ions and not
neutral charged particles which are in higher numbers by ratio and as
such won't collect in tissue, besides it doesn't stay in the system long
enough.  What we make in the kitchen is a predominantly Ionic Silver
Solution, and what particles there are, are far too small and in less
quantity to cause any cosmetic issue.

Of course I can't speak for Dave, or anyone else who may have consumed or
used large quantities for an extended amount of time, but if not consumed
in large volumes or for an extended period of time as far as I'm
concerned it won't cause Argyria.  There has not been one case of
the consumption or use of our product reported by the FDA or our TGA as
having resulted in Argyria.  Every report they waffle on about refer
to that product called 'CS' or 'Colloidal Silver', and most refer to
silver nitrates, silver acetates, solutions produced by people who are
ignorant or wilfully go against the correct production procedure, or a
product containing a form of stabiliser {usually higher ppm level
products} and a host of other 'stuff?' of which is not what we
produce.

To recap: My opinion...NO, EIS {Electrolytically Isolated Silver} or a
'predominantly Ionic Silver Solution' will not cause Argyria.

N.


 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 23:16:13 -0700
From: jsmpren...@sbcglobal.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
CC: jssmpren...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: CS>Does CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

Hi,
>>>I am new to this list and considering buying a kit to make CS at home for
Lyme treatment.
>>>I thought I had read CS does not cause Argeria--turning skin gray. But
then I read in a  post today that  Dave  said 
  " After killing Active Lyme for 10 years with a vigorous
CS protocol ( 4
   oz
 every 20 minutes for three days) and a maintenance dose of  a
glass a day
 or more like drinking water,  I started turning quite gray from
Argeria"
>>>
>>>I would appreciate those with experience opinion on this.
>>>
>>>ALso when I went to silver puppy.com web site I got very confused. THe
site does not mention silver puppy. It is about Coyote Zenterprizes. Is that 
the correct site to
order from. IS it the standard automatic CS generator was recommended.
Should I purchase a stirrer also?
>>>
>>>Thank you for your help.
>>>Sandy
>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Regarding using DSMSO on Toenails.

[Marshall]

I am curious.  Why do we want to cut the concentration of the sodium 
bicarbonate to less than saturation?  It seems that the best results 
would be from a saturation level.  Is there a problem with too high a 
concentration on the nails, skin or another problem?


Marshall

On 10/30/2012 2:24 PM, Brooks Bradley wrote:

Dear Shirley,

My apologies for not elaborating more on the dilution
procedures.  In ANY of my postings where the
mathematics (or lack thereof) involving dilutions cause
problemsjust add enough distilled water to yield a 100% figure for
the total solution volume..
Sincerely,   Brooks Bradley.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Del  wrote:

I tried a mixture of DMSO and Potassium Iodide (SSKI – See
http://tahomaclinicblog.com/iodide/) on toenail fungus.
I am pretty sure this would have killed it over time, but there was a
problem.
The DMSO is such a powerful solvent that, even when I let it air dry, it
would leach the dye out of my socks and into my skin.
Since I wear mostly black socks, my skin started turning black.
I tried to find all white socks, but most of them have gray heals and toes.
Besides, I hate white socks (just a matter of color preference, I guess).
I finally gave up using that because of this problem.

Del

From: Shirley Reed
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Brooks' baking soda and DMSO formula

Regarding the fungus formula--since the Baking Soda and DMSO  account for
about half the
mixture, what is the other half supposed to be??  I fear that there is
something very
basic here that I am not understanding so will appreciate a personal reply.
The list displays on my computer in a manner that is very hard to navigate
and I get discouraged and miss some things.  Thanks very much.  pj



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CS>Regarding using DSMSO on Toenails.

[Del]

I tried a mixture of DMSO and Potassium Iodide (SSKI – See 
http://tahomaclinicblog.com/iodide/) on toenail fungus.
I am pretty sure this would have killed it over time, but there was a problem.
The DMSO is such a powerful solvent that, even when I let it air dry, it would 
leach the dye out of my socks and into my skin.
Since I wear mostly black socks, my skin started turning black.
I tried to find all white socks, but most of them have gray heals and toes.
Besides, I hate white socks (just a matter of color preference, I guess).
I finally gave up using that because of this problem.

Del

From: Shirley Reed 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Brooks' baking soda and DMSO formula

Regarding the fungus formula--since the Baking Soda and DMSO  account for about 
half the
mixture, what is the other half supposed to be??  I fear that there is 
something very
basic here that I am not understanding so will appreciate a personal reply.  
The list displays on my computer in a manner that is very hard to navigate and 
I get discouraged and miss some things.  Thanks very much.  pj

RE: CS>Fibromyalgia

[Dianne France]

DaveHis was detected thru a biomeredian  machine 
(http://www.accuratetreatment.org/htdocs/biomeridian.html) along with some 
other problems he had.  Everything the machine detectedturned out to be correct 
and this isn't conventional medicine.  He improved greatly after following 
techs advise on supplementsand that was the first time we were introduced to CS 
or EIS which he started taking for the lyme.  We could purchase thru her 
orhealth food store.  We were not pressured to purchase anything but we did pay 
a fee for the diagnosis on the machine. I also went thru diagnosis and detected 
many food sensitivities that corrected my system once I quit exposing myself.  
Mydaughter had terrible problems and we had the same tech check her and now she 
is great.  The machine detected a medication
that my daughter was on making her sick and food allergy to fish which they ate 
a lot.  Unfortunately tech moved awayand I don't know someone who operates one 
local now.  I myself no longer can use the technology due to now having metal 
in myback.  You can't have metal or it won't be able to determine the energy 
system.  The metal interfers.Just like stories on EIS there is good and bad out 
there about this machine.  It worked for us as well as EIS.Dianne Date: Tue, 30 
Oct 2012 09:11:04 -0700
Subject: Re: CS>Fibromyalgia
From: davedar...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Dianne
  He must have caught it early, in my case I had Lyme for 42 years before being 
diagnosed and It was well encysted so conventional treatment had no chance of a 
cure.
Dave

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dianne France  
wrote:





my husband was diagnosed with lyme years ago and went thru treatment and they 
said he tested clear.  he hasn't
shown any signs since and that was years ago.  thank goodness he didn't go thru 
what many of you have with the

disease.
 
I have never been bit that I know of so I'll assume they diagnosed me 
correctly.  I don't have total faith in the medical
field so anything is possible.
D
 
From: msad...@msadams.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Fibromyalgia
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:01:59 -0500






Keep in mind too that Chronic Lyme disease is often 
misdiagnosed as Fibromyalgia. See my website for free 
information.
 

Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it 
yet!
www.lyme-resource.com


  
  
  From: Gary Hilt 
  [mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 
  3:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: 
  CS>Fibromyalgia


  Hi: Appreciate all the advice on here 
  but have to admit i dont understand much of it.
  Does anyone know of any 
  benefits of CS on fibro? i know that dmso might help some aching and 
  soreness.
  Also ho wowuld i mix the cs 
  with dmso to apply to skin or joints?
  Thanks so much
  gary
  
-- 

  Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from 
  the Lord Jesus Christ. 
  Gary & Lennie
  

  

Re: CS>Fibromyalgia

[Dave Darrin]

Dianne
  He must have caught it early, in my case I had Lyme for 42 years before
being diagnosed and It was well encysted so conventional treatment had no
chance of a cure.
Dave

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dianne France wrote:

>  my husband was diagnosed with lyme years ago and went thru treatment and
> they said he tested clear.  he hasn't
> shown any signs since and that was years ago.  thank goodness he didn't go
> thru what many of you have with the
> disease.
>
> I have never been bit that I know of so I'll assume they diagnosed me
> correctly.  I don't have total faith in the medical
> field so anything is possible.
> D
>
> --
> From: msad...@msadams.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Fibromyalgia
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:01:59 -0500
>
> Keep in mind too that Chronic Lyme disease is often misdiagnosed as
> Fibromyalgia. See my website for free information.
>
>  Scott Adams
> I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
> www.lyme-resource.com
>
>  --
> *From:* Gary Hilt [mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 3:23 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* CS>Fibromyalgia
>
> Hi: Appreciate all the advice on here but have to admit i dont understand
> much of it.
> Does anyone know of any benefits of CS on fibro? i know that dmso might
> help some aching and soreness.
> Also ho wowuld i mix the cs with dmso to apply to skin or joints?
> Thanks so much
> gary
>
> --
> Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the
> Lord Jesus Christ.
> Gary & Lennie
>
>

Re: CS>Brooks' baking soda and DMSO formula

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 10/30/2012 11:35:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
pj20...@yahoo.com writes:

 
Regarding the fungus formula--since the Baking Soda and DMSO   account for 
about half the
mixture, what is the other half supposed to be??  I fear that there  is 
something very
basic here that I am not understanding so will appreciate a personal  
reply.  The list displays on my computer in a manner that is very hard to  
navigate and I get discouraged and miss some things.  Thanks very  much.  pj







Hi pj, Mixture is done with Colloidal  Silver--- Lois   { following from 
Brooks--
Nearly all fungus-containing mediums respond quite  favorably to common 
bicarbonate of soda
One simple protocol we  found useful...and effective for topical address of 
a majority of the fungal  insults ...was a solution containing any of a 
range of DMSO strengths from 25%  to 50% (by volume), mixed with 25% (by 
volume) supersaturated sodium bicarbonate  (e.g. where limit of solution 
dissolved 
is reached  Identifiable by the  fact that un dissolved  sodium 
fraction will start to collect in the bottom  of your mixing  container). 
Adding 
25% (by volume) 10 ppm colloidal silver  is a useful option.  This is a very 
forgiving compound and may be used on  experimental subjects with confidence 
(at least we have found it so) to be free  of contravening effects.
Just apply, generously,  to the affected areas every 2 to 4 hours for one 
24 hour period and once every 6  hours for the following 48 hour period 
yielded excellent results for a  majority of ALL skin surface insults we 
tested in our  research.

Re: CS>stye in the eye

[MaryAnn Helland]

Well -- welcome to the group Tani.  You can be comfortable in asking questions 
here, and getting straight-forward answers.  There are some extremely 
knowledgeable people here, who are willing to share their knowledge for the 
benefit of all.  :-)
MA





From: Taniform Asongwe 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 3:01:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>stye in the eye


Thanks for the pointer MA, I will sure try it out. I have been really worried 
as 
I came across some information a while back discouraging the mixture. I would 
have continued avoiding this combination had I not joined this group.


Tani



From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, 0:40
Subject: Re: CS>stye in the eye


With all due respect Tani -- as neither product is poisonous in and of itself, 
it's not likely that the combination would be either.  Not to mention that the 
combination of these two ingredients has been recommended and used many times 
for many things, safely.  DMSO acts to take the CS deeper into the tissues for 
a 
better response.  What is important is the percentage of each product being 
used.   Do not be afraid of this.
MA





From: Taniform Asongwe 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 12:33:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>stye in the eye


DMSO and CS results mostly likely in poisonous substance. I would not suggest 
that at all.




From: sol 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012, 17:11
Subject: Re: CS>stye in the eye

I'd add a couple of drops of DMSO to the CS.
sol

Paula Perry wrote:
> I hope someone has a good suggestion for a stye in the eye. I put cs in it a 
>few times and don't see anything happening. I am not sure of the strength of 
>the 
>cs because the generator didn't seem to stay on very long. Anything else that 
>works?
> Thanks,
> Paula
> 
> 
>  


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RE: CS>Fibromyalgia

[Dianne France]

my husband was diagnosed with lyme years ago and went thru treatment and they 
said he tested clear.  he hasn'tshown any signs since and that was years ago.  
thank goodness he didn't go thru what many of you have with thedisease. I have 
never been bit that I know of so I'll assume they diagnosed me correctly.  I 
don't have total faith in the medicalfield so anything is possible.D
 From: msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Fibromyalgia
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:01:59 -0500






Keep in mind too that Chronic Lyme disease is often 
misdiagnosed as Fibromyalgia. See my website for free 
information.
 

Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it 
yet!
www.lyme-resource.com


  
  
  From: Gary Hilt 
  [mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 
  3:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: 
  CS>Fibromyalgia


  Hi: Appreciate all the advice on here 
  but have to admit i dont understand much of it.
  Does anyone know of any 
  benefits of CS on fibro? i know that dmso might help some aching and 
  soreness.
  Also ho wowuld i mix the cs 
  with dmso to apply to skin or joints?
  Thanks so much
  gary
  
-- 

  Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from 
  the Lord Jesus Christ. 
  Gary & Lennie
  

CS>Brooks' baking soda and DMSO formula

[Shirley Reed]

Regarding the fungus formula--since the Baking Soda and DMSO  account for about 
half the
mixture, what is the other half supposed to be??  I fear that there is 
something very
basic here that I am not understanding so will appreciate a personal reply.  
The list displays on my computer in a manner that is very hard to navigate and 
I get discouraged and miss some things.  Thanks very much.  pj

Re: CS>Dosage of CS for Lyme

[Dave Darrin]

Jerry
   I took 4 oz. every 20 minutes for three days ( excluding nights) and
knocked out the active Lyme just that quick. Possibly with the enzyme
treatment you could eradicate the spirochetes ,both active and  dormant
but it would probably take longer. I don't know if the CS will work as well
as the CDS, you will have to figure that out for your self. Even if you
knock it out completely it will take an extended period of time to heal
from the damage that has been done.
  Don't worry about turning gray, it took me almost 10 years to do so.
Dave




On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM, JERRY PRENDERGAST <
jsmpren...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hi,,
> Thank you all who explained about the slight chance of turning gray=blue
> from CS and suggestions for which CS maker to buy.
> ANnd thank you Dave for your Lyme suggestions. I plan to try the Wobenzym
> M and CS.
>
> I would appreciate an suggestions of how much homemade CS to take for Lyme
> and how to increase dosage.
>
> Thanks Sandy
>
>
>

RE: CS>Fibromyalgia

[Scott Adams]

Keep in mind too that Chronic Lyme disease is often misdiagnosed as
Fibromyalgia. See my website for free information.
 
Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
www.lyme-resource.com  


  _  

From: Gary Hilt [mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Fibromyalgia


Hi: Appreciate all the advice on here but have to admit i dont understand
much of it. 
Does anyone know of any benefits of CS on fibro? i know that dmso might help
some aching and soreness.
Also ho wowuld i mix the cs with dmso to apply to skin or joints?
Thanks so much
gary


-- 

Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord
Jesus Christ. 
Gary & Lennie

Re: CS>promising late lyme cure

[Dan Nave]

Marshall,

Good analysis.

I strongly suggest (request) that you repost this email under the
subject heading "Argyria" so that it appears under your name and can
be searched for logically in the archives.  (Edit it a bit so that
irrelevant info is removed.)  It would be very helpful since we don't
have any informational database on the silver-list.

Thanks,

Dan



Date

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Marshall  wrote:
> On 10/28/2012 6:15 PM, Dave Darrin wrote:
>>
>> Something I forgot to mention.
>> I've had two very prominent dark red scars across my cheek from when I was
>> 12 years old, I ran into a barbed wire that had been left up after  a fence
>> was removed. The wire was just the right hight. It almost cut all the way
>> through into my mouth.
>>  Now 65 years later I have no more scars as a result of my CDS/enzyme
>> treatment . I've taken a few courses in the past of serrapeptase enzyme but
>> didn't notice any difference then, but the amount of wobenzyme I used in
>> this therapy is probably what did the trick.
>>   I hope more people check out this Lyme protocol because it actually
>> works and not to expensive either.
>>
>>   As far as the Argeria question is concerned, we had a thread some time
>> back and a number of list members joined in and were quite concerned that
>> their condition was being swept under the rug , so to speak, by those that
>> make money from CS/EIS or whatever else you might want to call it
>> ( It's all the same thing)( about 80% Ionic).
>> A very short time after we had all told our stories and it was
>> considered that we made it correctly but some like myself had used to much
>> for to long a time, our own Marshal Dudly came on here and said you couldn't
>> possibly get Argeria from properly made CS--He sells lots of it.
>
>
> I do not sell CS to the public and have not for over 5 years.  What I have
> found is that ionic silver (silver compounds) can cause argyria, and
> colloidal silver acts as a prophylactic against it.  The reason is that
> argyria in the skin is nothing more than the standard photographic seed
> forming and development process in the skin, where silver compounds are
> reduced to atomic silver in the area of photo exposure, then excess silver
> compounds plate out on those forming particles which grow sufficiently to
> get stuck in the skin.  Since there is a particle in CS for the ionic
> portion to plate out on, most of it will plate out on it, instead of
> circulating until it finds a particle in the skin to plate out on.
>
> Typical home made colloidal silver will get trapped by the cells at the root
> of a fingernail, most likely through the process of attempting to eliminate
> metals in the fingernails and hair.  This can become tapped in the moons of
> fingernails, and several here, including myself and wife have had this
> happen to us.  This is a different process than argyria in the skin.
>
> As far as getting argyria though, it appears that taking "normal" amounts of
> CS rarely if ever result in any argyria.  Under these conditions, and seed
> particles that form are flushed out of the skin long before they can grow to
> a size to cause them to get stuck in the tissues.  If however one takes mega
> dosages, then even if 99% of the silver compounds plate out on the CS
> particles in the blood, the 1% can still plate out on the particles in the
> skin, and if the dosage is big enough, cause them to grow fast enough they
> could get stuck.  I believe it is possible to get argyria if you take big
> enough dosages of high ppm CS over a long enough time, but since home made
> CS is typically rather low ppm, it takes a lot of it to cause a problem,
> thus it is rarely if ever reported.  I took an ounce of 10 ppm CS a day for
> about 6 or 7 years daily with no consequences, then after being bit by a
> tick that I though might have lyme, I took a quart of 20 ppm every day for 3
> or 4 days.  Only after this megadosage did I get the blue moons, although
> total silver intake over the previous 6 or so years was much much more
> overall.
>
> However once seed particles get caught in the skin, any CS can over time
> cause them to grow until they become visible, causing argyria.  It is
> important to not let any seed particles ever get caught in the skin as they
> can continue to grow over time, even with low dosages of CS.  That is one
> thing that can be confounding to people who took improperly made silver,
> using salt, and got a light case of argyria, then find it worsens even when
> they are now using properly made CS.  The reason is the seed particles are
> already in the skin and are already stuck, so ANY silver compound can plate
> out on them making it worse.  If one does need to take megadosages of CS, I
> would highly recommend staying out of the sun until the serum level can drop
> to a reasonably low level.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> --
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Re: CS>Fibromyalgia

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It may be that CS can kill or suppress herpes zoster which some attribute to
fibromyalgia.  It worked for me along with lysine but unfortunately came
back as soon as I stopped the strict regime.  dee



From: Gary Hilt 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:23:12 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Fibromyalgia
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:23:13 -0700

Hi: Appreciate all the advice on here but have to admit i dont understand
much of it.
Does anyone know of any benefits of CS on fibro? i know that dmso might help
some aching and soreness.
Also ho wowuld i mix the cs with dmso to apply to skin or joints?
Thanks so much
gary

-- 
Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord
Jesus Christ. 
Gary & Lennie