Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

Thanks PT.
When I wrote about the silver-colloids report of 32 brands, I wrote it 
wrong. The fifth place should have been written as fifth last, or 28th 
for the SG-7. The brand that was number one was Mesosilver. Do you think 
that Mesosilver owns silver-colloids.com? I need to do a lot more 
reading before I invest any money. I read a whole lot of info on the 
silvermedicine.org site. I found out that the current should be limited 
to under 40 mA (ideally 5-20mA). To achieve that I can use a regulated 
power supply and a digital meter. I also learned that stirring keeps the 
current down. I will probably build a homemade DC unit with a motor to 
stir with, unless I find even better plans for an AC unit.
I'm waiting on a new transformer to arrive in the mail so I can finish 
Carmi's heating pad idea. I also got one of those amplified lineman's 
pickup coils from Winnipeg, but made in China.


Bye for now,
Joe H.
On 20/03/2013 5:38 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
Hi Joe, PT here.  I joined this group a number of years ago and have 
enjoyed it from the beginning.  Everyone is helpful and willing to 
share.  I purchased a silverpuppy from Ode and have been very happy 
with it as all I need to do is plug it in and let it work.  When the 
CS/EIS is done it turns itself off.  If I want something stronger I 
can override.

Nice to see you on another forum.
PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*Sent:* Wed, March 20, 2013 4:05:22 PM
*Subject:* CS>new member intro

Hi Group,
I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and saw 
many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better or 
cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have 
enough. I read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other 
websites about CS. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html 
has a report on 32 brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth 
place, and that is with a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube 
showing a 3 times 9 volt battery setup that appeared to work. There 
are big differences between those 2 devices.
I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can 
get working. I use RO for my drinking water.
I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 
volts was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC 
current is best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and 
what is the correct current to make the smallest silver particles?
If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I 
know what the limit should be.
I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver and 15% 
colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS impossible 
to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?


Enough questions for now,

Joe H.


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Re: CS>new member intro

[asif nathekar]

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a current 
limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then all you need 
is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per 
square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. And remember 
a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.
Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this. 
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
distilled water. 
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
water. 
This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.



On 21 Mar 2013, at 13:28, "Joe Huard"  wrote:

> Thanks PT. 
> When I wrote about the silver-colloids report of 32 brands, I wrote it wrong. 
> The fifth place should have been written as fifth last, or 28th for the SG-7. 
> The brand that was number one was Mesosilver. Do you think that Mesosilver 
> owns silver-colloids.com? I need to do a lot more reading before I invest any 
> money. I read a whole lot of info on the silvermedicine.org site. I found out 
> that the current should be limited to under 40 mA (ideally 5-20mA). To 
> achieve that I can use a regulated power supply and a digital meter. I also 
> learned that stirring keeps the current down. I will probably build a 
> homemade DC unit with a motor to stir with, unless I find even better plans 
> for an AC unit.
> I'm waiting on a new transformer to arrive in the mail so I can finish 
> Carmi's heating pad idea. I also got one of those amplified lineman's pickup 
> coils from Winnipeg, but made in China.
> 
> Bye for now,
> Joe H.
> On 20/03/2013 5:38 PM, PT Ferrance   wrote:
>> Hi Joe, PT here.  I joined this group a number of years ago   and 
>> have enjoyed it from the beginning.  Everyone is helpful and willing to 
>> share.  I purchased a silverpuppy from Ode and have been very happy with it 
>> as all I need to do is plug it in and let it work.  When the CS/EIS is done 
>> it turns itself   off.  If I want something stronger I can override.
>> Nice to see you on another forum.
>> PT
>> 
>> From: Joe Huard 
>> Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 4:05:22 PM
>> Subject: CS>new member intro
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>> I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and 
>> saw many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
>> I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better 
>> or cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have enough. I 
>> read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other websites about CS. 
>> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html has a report on 32 
>> brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth place, and that is with 
>> a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube showing a 3 times 9 volt battery 
>> setup that appeared to work. There are big differences between those 2 
>> devices.
>> I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can get 
>> working. I use RO for my drinking water.
>> I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 volts 
>> was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC current is 
>> best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and what is the correct 
>> current to make the smallest silver particles?
>> If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I know 
>> what the limit should be.
>> I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver 
>> and 15% colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS 
>> impossible to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?
>> 
>> Enough questions for now,
>> 
>> Joe H.
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help 
with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. 
However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that 
route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a 
zener diode. Is that correct?

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of 
the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for 
$1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell 
distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is 
not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my water as I 
have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, 
I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that 
will be identical.


Joe

On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep 
the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better 
but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.

Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this.
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
double distilled water.
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
distilled water.

This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.

Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Joe,
When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity.  I find 
once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell of the 
distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think about taking that stuff into 
my body or even showering in it.
PT





From: Joe Huard 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. However, 
if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume 
from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that 
correct? 

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of 
the 
sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with 
Reverse 
Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.

Joe


On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar   wrote:

Hi Joe,
>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>
>
>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
>a 
>current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar 
>then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the 
>current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but 
>then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure 
>smaller particles / more actual ions.
>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>So please do not over think this. 
>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
>double distilled water. 
>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
>distilled water. 
>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>Best of luck
>Peace to all
>Asif.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>new member intro

[Asif Nathekar]

Each point addressed below




On 21 Mar 2013, at 19:34, Joe Huard  wrote:

> Hi Asif,
> I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
> current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC.

Current limiting is in order of ma for most people that could be between 0.5 to 
2 ma for large silver electrodes
Most bench type supplies usually aren't equipped for currents that Low at that 
resolution. I am unaware of the specs of your psu so I have made assumptions.

> However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I 
> assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is 
> that correct? 
Nope zeners are for voltage. You will need a specific current limiting diode. 
I use an ic for that so cannot recommend one. The other members can advise.

> 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?

Take the surface area of the side of silver you wish to use as your anode. And 
then only use the side that will face the cathode . Otherwise known as the 
brewing surface. As only the anode or positive side will be releasing the ions.
Take the measurement in square inches and use that to figure out your current. 
Remember no more than 1ma per square inch


> The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.

Use a borosilicate vessel. Other types of glass or plastic may leach their 
materials into the brew 

> The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the 
> sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
> good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
> 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
> the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
> sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse 
> Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.

Agreed RO water plus a single distillation should do the trick!


Let us know how you get on

> 
> Joe
> 
> On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> Please also look at the silver cell process.
>> 
>> Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>> current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then 
>> all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a 
>> maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer 
>> to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>> actual ions.
>> Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>> So please do not over think this. 
>> More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>> distilled water. 
>> Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>> water. 
>> This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>> Best of luck
>> Peace to all
>> Asif.
> 


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Re: CS>new member intro

[Asif Nathekar]

Hi PT
I also found some people were getting good results with their single distilled 
water.
But in my particular case and also of some others too it had to be double 
distilled. Maybe the distillers had a design issue where some of the solubles 
were still getting through somehow? Until I had this problem I wouldn't have 
believed it either !
Now I go to the extent of boiling the water first to get rid of stuff with a 
lower boiling point and then I distill it.
I found that helped further.
Regards




On 21 Mar 2013, at 20:21, PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity.  I 
> find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell 
> of the distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think about taking that 
> stuff into my body or even showering in it.
> PT
> 
> From: Joe Huard 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
> 
> Hi Asif,
> I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
> current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. However, 
> if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume 
> from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that 
> correct? 
> 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
> The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
> The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the 
> sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
> good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
> 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
> the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
> sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse 
> Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> Please also look at the silver cell process.
>> 
>> Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>> current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
>> dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the 
>> current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it 
>> takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller 
>> particles / more actual ions.
>> Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>> So please do not over think this. 
>> More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>> distilled water. 
>> Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>> water. 
>> This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>> Best of luck
>> Peace to all
>> Asif.
> 

Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the part that 
doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA under the pseudonym 
fluoride. I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities have 
done. Most recently, Windsor.
I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2 at the 
Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the same price.


Joe H.

On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi Joe,
When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for 
purity.  I find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is 
amazing the smell of the distiller after I am done.  I don't want to 
think about taking that stuff into my body or even showering in it.

PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help 
with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or 
IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate 
that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you 
mean a zener diode. Is that correct?

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none 
of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled 
for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell 
distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is 
not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my water as 
I have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing nothing. 
However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a distiller, 
and that will be identical.


Joe

On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep 
the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better 
but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.

Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this.
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
double distilled water.
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
distilled water.

This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.

Re: CS>new member intro

[James McDonald]

No not a zener diode but a CLD (Current Limiting Diode) this diode limits the 
current to a specific amount according to which one you pick out, 100uA, 470uA, 
1.0mA, 1.5mA or higher. I use the diuodes with a 100 volt max limit cause I use 
the 36VDC (4- 9 volt batteries). If I wish to use a higher voltage if I find a 
50VDC or 65VDC  transformer be nice to use.





 From: Asif Nathekar 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
 
Each point addressed below




On 21 Mar 2013, at 19:34, Joe Huard  wrote:

> Hi Asif,
> I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
> current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC.

Current limiting is in order of ma for most people that could be between 0.5 to 
2 ma for large silver electrodes
Most bench type supplies usually aren't equipped for currents that Low at that 
resolution. I am unaware of the specs of your psu so I have made assumptions.

> However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I 
> assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is 
> that correct? 
Nope zeners are for voltage. You will need a specific current limiting diode. 
I use an ic for that so cannot recommend one. The other members can advise.

> 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?

Take the surface area of the side of silver you wish to use as your anode. And 
then only use the side that will face the cathode . Otherwise known as the 
brewing surface. As only the anode or positive side will be releasing the ions.
Take the measurement in square inches and use that to figure out your current. 
Remember no more than 1ma per square inch


> The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.

Use a borosilicate vessel. Other types of glass or plastic may leach their 
materials into the brew 

> The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the 
> sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
> good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
> 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
> the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
> sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse 
> Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.

Agreed RO water plus a single distillation should do the trick!


Let us know how you get on

> 
> Joe
> 
> On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> Please also look at the silver cell process.
>> 
>> Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>> current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then 
>> all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a 
>> maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer 
>> to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>> actual ions.
>> Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>> So please do not over think this. 
>> More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>> distilled water. 
>> Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>> water. 
>> This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>> Best of luck
>> Peace to all
>> Asif.
> 


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Re: CS>new member intro

[kagi]

http://idealearthwater.com/whole-house-filter/ 
offers a fluoride removing whole house filter. 
Maybe there are similar whole house filters sold in the UK?


-Original Message- 
From: Joe Huard 
Sent: Thursday, 21 March, 2013 17:24 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro 

 I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities have 
done. Most recently, Windsor.






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[Joe Huard]

I'm in Canada, LOL. The Windsor, ON vote was last Nov. They got it out 
to the East in Waterloo, ON in 2010. I just don't want to spend valuable 
money on an alumina fluoride filter and then this city will stop putting 
in. I am also part of our local effort to lobby the stupid councillors 
at City Hall.

I'll check out the site, anyway. Thanks.

Joe
On 21/03/2013 8:50 PM, kagi wrote:
http://idealearthwater.com/whole-house-filter/ offers a fluoride 
removing whole house filter. Maybe there are similar whole house 
filters sold in the UK?


-Original Message- From: Joe Huard Sent: Thursday, 21 March, 
2013 17:24 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>new member intro 

 I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities 
have done. Most recently, Windsor.






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Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, Asif.
PT





From: Asif Nathekar 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 5:39:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro


Hi PT
I also found some people were getting good results with their single distilled 
water.
But in my particular case and also of some others too it had to be double 
distilled. Maybe the distillers had a design issue where some of the solubles 
were still getting through somehow? Until I had this problem I wouldn't have 
believed it either !
Now I go to the extent of boiling the water first to get rid of stuff with a 
lower boiling point and then I distill it.
I found that helped further.
Regards




On 21 Mar 2013, at 20:21, PT Ferrance  wrote:


Hi Joe,
>When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity.  I 
>find 
>once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell of the 
>distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think about taking that stuff into 
>my body or even showering in it.
>PT
>
>
>
>

From: Joe Huard 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
>
>Hi Asif,
>I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
>current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. 
>However, 
>if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume 
>from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that 
>correct? 
>
>1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
>The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
>The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of 
>the 
>sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 
>was 
>good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
>1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it 
>leaches 
>the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
>sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with 
>Reverse 
>Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.
>
>Joe
>
>
>On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar   wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>>
>>
>>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
>>a 
>>current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar 
>>then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the 
>>current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but 
>>then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
>>ensure 
>>smaller particles / more actual ions.
>>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>>So please do not over think this. 
>>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
>>double distilled water. 
>>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
>>distilled water. 
>>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>>Best of luck
>>Peace to all
>>Asif.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

I'm with you, Joe.  What do the glass jars do?
PT





From: Joe Huard 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 6:24:51 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro

So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the part that 
doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA under the pseudonym 
fluoride. I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London 
to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities have done. 
Most 
recently, Windsor.
I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2 at the 
Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the same price.

Joe H.


On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance   wrote:

Hi Joe,
>When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times   for 
>purity.  I find once through my distiller makes fine   EIS... but it 
>is 
>amazing the smell of the distiller after I am   done.  I don't want to 
>think about taking that stuff into my   body or even showering in it.
>PT
>
>
>
>

From: Joe Huard 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu,   March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
>
>Hi Asif,
>I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will 
>help 
>with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" 
>or 
>IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate 
>that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you 
>mean a zener diode. Is that correct? 
>
>1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
>The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for 
>that.
>The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but 
>none of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart 
>distilled for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as 
>I 
>used to sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in 
>a 
>plastic jug is not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double 
>distill my water as I have 4 used distiller sitting around my 
>basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis 
>water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.
>
>Joe
>
>
>On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif   nathekar wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>>
>>
>>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if 
>>you use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic 
>>costing 
>>around a dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts 
>>supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per square 
>>inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. 
>>And 
>>remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>>actual ions.
>>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>>So please do not over think this. 
>>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good 
>>cover and double distilled water. 
>>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without 
>>double 
>>distilled water. 
>>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>>Best of luck
>>Peace to all
>>Asif.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

I'm going to stick a couple of silver electrodes through the plastic cap 
and run current through them at a slow rate, less than 1 ma per square inch.

Joe
On 21/03/2013 9:55 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

I'm with you, Joe.  What do the glass jars do?
PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 21, 2013 6:24:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the part that 
doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA under the pseudonym 
fluoride. I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if 
it would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City 
of London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities 
have done. Most recently, Windsor.
I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2 at the 
Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the same price.


Joe H.

On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi Joe,
When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for 
purity.  I find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is 
amazing the smell of the distiller after I am done.  I don't want to 
think about taking that stuff into my body or even showering in it.

PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help 
with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or 
IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate 
that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you 
mean a zener diode. Is that correct?

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none 
of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled 
for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to 
sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic 
jug is not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my 
water as I have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing 
nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a 
distiller, and that will be identical.


Joe

On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you 
use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep 
the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better 
but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.

Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this.
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover 
and double distilled water.
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
distilled water.

This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.

CS>Stem Cell

[Melly Bag]

Does anyone know if taking colloidal silver/EIS orally will help make stem 
cells?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly

RE: CS>Stem Cell

[Neville Munn]

My two bobs worth would be ~ I doubt it.  I don't think stem cells are just 
random in the body, they have to be induced in combination or in conjunction 
with the bodies natural electrical charge developed at the wound site is my 
understanding.  This is of course in general terms and exclusive of any 
specific stem cell research performed in laboratories for whatever reason.
N.

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:58 -0700
From: tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Stem Cell

Does anyone know if taking colloidal silver/EIS orally will help make stem 
cells?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly 

Re: CS>Stem Cell

[mgperrault]

Good question though.  Of course Becker showed that silver 
de-differentiates cells, which sounds for all the world like a stem 
cell.  The bodies (low) voltage induces the regeneration, along with 
even the phagocytes (interestingly)and a host of other factors.  
Nerve potentials are a big factor.  But what happens if we simply de 
differentiate cells?  sounds possibly catastrophicdoesnt it? In 
heavy metal we trust.


M

On 3/21/2013 11:27 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
My two bobs worth would be ~ I doubt it.  I don't think stem cells are 
just random in the body, they have to be induced in combination or in 
conjunction with the bodies natural electrical charge developed at the 
wound site is my understanding.  This is of course in general terms 
and exclusive of any specific stem cell research performed in 
laboratories for whatever reason.


N.


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:58 -0700
From: tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Stem Cell

Does anyone know if taking colloidal silver/EIS orally will help make 
stem cells?

Thanks.
Melly