Re: CS>CS comparisons [calling all Lymies]
Okay, I've purchased CS from Bio Alternatives which is not in the comparison list. I did the salt test with no cloudiness. It is crystal clear. After reading that article I am confused. Should it be clear or not! I have read things in the past about some saying it should be yellow. Anybody know anything about Bio Alternatives? They are very reasonable in price and I actually spoke with someone there who assured me no salts or proteins were used. I'd like to hear from some more lymies my self. Every bit of hope helps. 11 years of antibiotics has taken its toll. But the alternative to what my life is like without them is no contest. Heidi From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS comparisons [calling all Lymies] >Natural Immunogenics silver is exactly what ASAP solution from American > Biotech is. is exactly what well made home brew is. ["Silver Hydrosol" > ...to use a coined term] > They make it like much you can make it and it all contains both ionic and > metallic silver in various ratios. > American Biotech, in fact, once used off the shelf home generators to > make their product. [and not really good ones at that] > Their "innovation" was to add a stirring paddle and to crow about now > virtually untrackable patents that, if finally found, turn out to be > meaningless. > Their particle sizing methods are questionable. [As are their definitions > of what a particle is] > > I just now found this and it's just like logic predicts...thank you > Frank...I've said the same thing in a much more opaque way. [You made it > 'clear'] > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html > > What else? > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutParticleSize.html > [Dang Frank!! busy fellow! Whew! At LAST!] > > That they are both out to "sell" silver water with exaggerations, is not > questionable...but it is good stuff. [Just not significantly "different" > stuff.] > > This is a very good resource for comparisons... > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html > > If you want a more 'small particulate metallic silver' without the protein > binders/stabilizers, go with Frank Keys Sovereign Silver. > > Some people swear by it, some at it and I have no opinion one way or the > other except that home brew has some of both ends of the 'which is better' > debate included and a few other things that aren't well known to exist. > [Not "better" doesn't mean doesn't work] > It's been a long and convoluted debate with no conclusions in sight. [wink] > > There's no doubt in my mind that very fresh home brew has properties that > the same thing that's 24 hours old doesn't and THAT is easily proven with > hydrogen peroxide reaction observations. > [Better? I dunno. I "think" so with some observations to maybe back it > up. Different? yes... No "proof" of "better". ] > But it's not something you can buy. [shelf life is way too short] > > Don't worry and try a few things out. > There have been successes dealing with Lymes. > > C'mon Lyme'ies speak up! > I know ya'll are out there with some real experience! > > > PS. Most doctors only know what's in literature that's stuck under their > noses and tend to believe what they're told. >They don't have the legal leeway to experiment and discover like normal > folks do. > > MDs don't often forge scalpels..they generally hang onto the handle of the > cutting edge. > > Ode > > At 01:12 PM 2/23/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > >Mike. > > Thanks for the explanation. I do have a question on dose of homemade > > silver. In the past I was taking a silver hydrosol by Natural > > Immunogenics which was a clear silver and was a reputable source with > > independent lab assays.I was told the particle size was in nanometers and > > could only be produced in the lab and therefore safer, more consistant > > and more efficient. I was told by Stephen Quinto (the president of the > > company) that homemade produces much larger particles, requiring much > > more to be consumed with larger risk for agyria.I was informed that 16oz. > > of homemade silver equals approximately 1 Tb.of Argentum 23 (ppm). I took > > 4 Tb/d which was the maximum suggested for 2 months. I had no > > improvements in the chronic lyme which invaded my scalp muscle and has > > affected my entire musculoskeletal and circulatory system. I know now I > > need a multiple approach but am concerned how much homemade silver is > > adequate for a chronic deep illness based on the info I was given.At the > > conversion rate I was given it means taking 1 gallon/d to equal the > > efficiency of the lab produced version. A medical doctor actually told me > > if I was his patient he'd be giving me 10,000ppm of mild silver prtotein > > at 16oz./d of Invive silver. He told me you need to have a high level > > sustained in the blood to be effective and reach muscles and tendons. I > > did not attempt that protocol. I was also informed about the Argentum
Re: CS>CS article
Here is the website I was talking about with claims of 5000-1ppm www.invive.com - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS article > At 10:21 AM 2/22/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > >In a message dated 2/22/2006 7:31:28 AM Central Standard Time, > >odecoy...@alltel.net writes: > > >"He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal > > >silver three times a day for 10 months. > > > >## Do you suppose he could have survived the first day of that much silver > >at 20 PPM? > >Isn't that like 18 gallons of water a day? > > > >16 Ounces is two cups. Three times a day equals 6 cups, not 18 gallons. MA > > ## That's 6 cups of water at 450 PPM Now adjust that to 20 PPM for 135 > cups a day [OK, 8.4 gallons ?]...then the more common 10 PPM [16.8 gallons] > and 5 PPM. [33.7 gallons] > > The kidneys of a healthy adult can process 4 gallons of water a day. > http://chemistry.about.com/cs/5/f/blwaterintox.htm > What Happens During Water Intoxication? > > Ode > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>CS article
When I first started checking into all this about a month ago. I was confused about a lot of things. I am thankful for this site. One company that is selling so called CS is claiming that you need 5000ppm to treat severe chronic illesses. (Which I have, Lyme Disease) They claim to sell this and even say that they offer 10,000 ppm, but can only be purchased by a physician. Anybody know what I'm talking about? Heidi - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS article > At 10:21 AM 2/22/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > >In a message dated 2/22/2006 7:31:28 AM Central Standard Time, > >odecoy...@alltel.net writes: > > >"He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal > > >silver three times a day for 10 months. > > > >## Do you suppose he could have survived the first day of that much silver > >at 20 PPM? > >Isn't that like 18 gallons of water a day? > > > >16 Ounces is two cups. Three times a day equals 6 cups, not 18 gallons. MA > > ## That's 6 cups of water at 450 PPM Now adjust that to 20 PPM for 135 > cups a day [OK, 8.4 gallons ?]...then the more common 10 PPM [16.8 gallons] > and 5 PPM. [33.7 gallons] > > The kidneys of a healthy adult can process 4 gallons of water a day. > http://chemistry.about.com/cs/5/f/blwaterintox.htm > What Happens During Water Intoxication? > > Ode > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>CS over dose / Gray Face
This may be a stupid question but does this mean you are at greater risk for argyria if you spend a lot of time in the sun? I love the sun and would hate to stay out of it! Heidi - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS over dose / Gray Face > Good information in there, but there is one glaring error. Sunlight does not oxidize colloidal > silver, if it did that it would cure argyria. They have it backwards, sunlight reduces > (deoxidizes) silver compounds to produce silver particles. Silver oxide is soluble, silver > particles are not. > > Marshall > > Dino Ciccarelli wrote: > > > I don't know if any of you have read this book: > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/097086440X/ref=sr_11_1/102-0323967-7481733? %5Fencoding=UTF8 > > > > but I have, and there is a section in there regarding "A Possible Cure > > for Argyria"... > > it sounds like very good information... I've taken the time to type it > > up into a document for anyone who might be interested to read it... > > not sure how long I will keep it up on the site (copyright and all), > > however, it is a good book and I would recommend it... > > > > the link to the possible argyria cure: > > > > http://www.blanblu.com/silverlist/argyria.doc > > > > a few notes from me regarding Dr. Gruenn's and the author's recommendations: > > > > 1) 4,000 mg of vitamin C per day (just be careful with the dosage, I > > would say, find your dosage within "bowel tolerance" and you should be > > ok) > > 2) I would say that some sauna therapy (FIR if available) can only > > help in this situation, since it is really the best way to eliminate > > debris from the body. I don't think that drinking water alone would > > do it. Of course, should one choose to pursue sauna therapy, all the > > more then should one make sure to follow the recommendation on > > multiple mineral supplementation. > > > > hope this helps... > > > > Bob, I work with your son Mike, so if you wish to borrow the book, by > > all means, let me know, and I will give it to Mike for him to bring it > > to you. Also, there is a place in Troy that has a FIR sauna, if you > > wish to know the info, please, don't hesitate to ask... > > > > good luck! > > dc > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS
Hi Deb, How much is really cheap? Do you get yours tested after making it? I
believe I could do it I just worry about making a good brew (particle size,
ppm's) I know I'm going to have to eventually make my own cause I feel so much
better while taking it. thanks Heidi
- Original Message -
From: Deborah Gerard
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS
Hi Heidi...V is on our site here and sells a cs maker for really cheap and
you can make your own to have and share with others if I can do it you can do
it to...deb :)
Heidi & Lee Sulkosky wrote:
Marshall, can you tell me more about this clark zapper, etc. what it does,
how to get it, what it costs. Is it similar to the rife machine? I also read
where you posted that CS may be purchased by you at $18 a gallon, 55 gallons
FOB. what does that mean? can you tell me more?. thanks Heidi
- Original Mes! sage -
From: Marshall Dudley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS
First of all CS is very effective against the Lyme spirochete. If you
use it in the first few days after being bit, recovery should be rapid and
complete. However the spirochetes are very good at hiding, and will hide in
areas of the body that CS simply does not reach or reach well, such as the
brain, nerve ganglia, cartilage, bone and the lymph system. Thus for many
people who have had it for a long time it is necessary to use complementary
proto! cols to reach them in these areas. The protocol most have reported with
success here is the Bob Beck protocol, using either his blood electrification
or the Clark Zapper. This protocol is CS, ozonated water,
zapping/electrification and magnetic pulsing.
You may not be getting a herx because you are not taking enough. Can you
tell us what you are taking, what ppm, and how much. A quart or more a day of
5 - 20 ppm would not be excessive as long as you don't get too severe a herx.
Marshall
Heidi & Lee Sulkosky wrote:
Hi, I am new to the list. I have suffered with Lyme disease for over
10 years. Have been on antibiotics the entire time. I came accross information
on colloidal silver and Lyme Disease. I even read a few testimonies from
people that have tried CS for Lyme. The problem is all the testimonies are
several years old. Is there any! one that can give me some updates on their
use with CS and Lyme Disease? I have been taking it for 3 1/2 days now. I
definitely feel better so far but don't believe I've experienced a herx yet
which makes me wonder if its working. Any bodies comment's please.
Heidi
Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS
Marshall, can you tell me more about this clark zapper, etc. what it does, how to get it, what it costs. Is it similar to the rife machine? I also read where you posted that CS may be purchased by you at $18 a gallon, 55 gallons FOB. what does that mean? can you tell me more?. thanks Heidi - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS First of all CS is very effective against the Lyme spirochete. If you use it in the first few days after being bit, recovery should be rapid and complete. However the spirochetes are very good at hiding, and will hide in areas of the body that CS simply does not reach or reach well, such as the brain, nerve ganglia, cartilage, bone and the lymph system. Thus for many people who have had it for a long time it is necessary to use complementary protocols to reach them in these areas. The protocol most have reported with success here is the Bob Beck protocol, using either his blood electrification or the Clark Zapper. This protocol is CS, ozonated water, zapping/electrification and magnetic pulsing. You may not be getting a herx because you are not taking enough. Can you tell us what you are taking, what ppm, and how much. A quart or more a day of 5 - 20 ppm would not be excessive as long as you don't get too severe a herx. Marshall Heidi & Lee Sulkosky wrote: Hi, I am new to the list. I have suffered with Lyme disease for over 10 years. Have been on antibiotics the entire time. I came accross information on colloidal silver and Lyme Disease. I even read a few testimonies from people that have tried CS for Lyme. The problem is all the testimonies are several years old. Is there anyone that can give me some updates on their use with CS and Lyme Disease? I have been taking it for 3 1/2 days now. I definitely feel better so far but don't believe I've experienced a herx yet which makes me wonder if its working. Any bodies comment's please. Heidi
Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?
thanks for all the response on where to get good OLE. On one sight it said that OLE can diminish the effects of antibiotics. anybody have anymore info on that. I have quit taking my antibiotics (for Lyme) just to see what happens anyhow. dont know if thats a good idea or not. my CS should be here Friday. we''ll see what happens Heidi - Original Message - From: Susan To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf? I know that there are some better than others but go with your reliable herb source and check to oleopurin percentage. It should be 19-20% oleopurins. However, it can be bought in bulk, it is after all, the leaves of olive trees! Check your local food coop or Frontier Herbs. I found this price at a local store http://www.vitacost.com/NaturalFactorsOliveLeafExtract/csrc-SHOPFEED-froogle, sans the shipping. Susan Heidi & Lee Sulkosky wrote: can anyone tell me a reputable place to get olive leaf extract. I'm adding that to my regimen with the CS. I have ordered some CS (not yet making my own, but plan to start, just started taking it) from a company that is supposed t! o assure quality CS, small particle size, no salts and crystal clear. In the meantime I went to a local health store to have some until my order comes in. Its from the company future biotics, advanced colloidal silver. The color is pee yellow. I called the company to check on particle size and if any salts were added. they said no salts and a particle size of .001. The color makes me nervous. Its supposed to be 10ppm and the lable says do not take any more than one teaspoon a day. Any thoughts on this please. Thanks Heidi - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf? I believe olive is in some ways a more potent antiviral/antibacterial/anti fungal/anti parasitic. CS works well on some things but not everything. I use both when fighting infection of any kind just to be thorough. Please note: message attached -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. -- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.
Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?
can anyone tell me a reputable place to get olive leaf extract. I'm adding that to my regimen with the CS. I have ordered some CS (not yet making my own, but plan to start, just started taking it) from a company that is supposed to assure quality CS, small particle size, no salts and crystal clear. In the meantime I went to a local health store to have some until my order comes in. Its from the company future biotics, advanced colloidal silver. The color is pee yellow. I called the company to check on particle size and if any salts were added. they said no salts and a particle size of .001. The color makes me nervous. Its supposed to be 10ppm and the lable says do not take any more than one teaspoon a day. Any thoughts on this please. Thanks Heidi - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf? I believe olive is in some ways a more potent antiviral/antibacterial/anti fungal/anti parasitic. CS works well on some things but not everything. I use both when fighting infection of any kind just to be thorough. Please note: message attached -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS
Marshall, thanks for your response. Right now I'm taking 14ppm three times daily. I think I might be gettting a mild herx coming on. Its hard to tell with Lyme. before I started taking this I had been having a bad couple of weeks and felt much better after starting this. I have read testimonies of people having good results from chronic lyme taking 5-20ppm three times daily. Right now I am purchasing my CS so it is not affordable for me to take a quart a day. Since I'm new to this I also worry about argyria. I want to see how this works before I attempt making my own. Heidi - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS First of all CS is very effective against the Lyme spirochete. If you use it in the first few days after being bit, recovery should be rapid and complete. However the spirochetes are very good at hiding, and will hide in areas of the body that CS simply does not reach or reach well, such as the brain, nerve ganglia, cartilage, bone and the lymph system. Thus for many people who have had it for a long time it is necessary to use complementary protocols to reach them in these areas. The protocol most have reported with success here is the Bob Beck protocol, using either his blood electrification or the Clark Zapper. This protocol is CS, ozonated water, zapping/electrification and magnetic pulsing. You may not be getting a herx because you are not taking enough. Can you tell us what you are taking, what ppm, and how much. A quart or more a day of 5 - 20 ppm would not be excessive as long as you don't get too severe a herx. Marshall Heidi & Lee Sulkosky wrote: Hi, I am new to the list. I have suffered with Lyme disease for over 10 years. Have been on antibiotics the entire time. I came accross information on colloidal silver and Lyme Disease. I even read a few testimonies from people that have tried CS for Lyme. The problem is all the testimonies are several years old. Is there anyone that can give me some updates on their use with CS and Lyme Disease? I have been taking it for 3 1/2 days now. I definitely feel better so far but don't believe I've experienced a herx yet which makes me wonder if its working. Any bodies comment's please. Heidi
Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS
Marshalee, thanks for your response. I'm assuming that you are symptom free of Lyme now. I don't remember what it feels like to not have Lyme. What was the dose and ppm you took and did you have a herxheimer reaction when taking it? letters like yours give me hope, thanks Love Heidi - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: CS>Lyme disease and CS Dear Heidi, Hi, I`m Marshalee, in Provo, Utah. I`m an oldie but goodie on the Silverlist! I had Lyme for six years, from 1990 to 1996, took Doxycycline the whole time. Whenever I stopped taking it, I would suffer a relapse shortly afterwards. Finally, we moved to Milwaukee and the dumbdocs there refused to give me any more doxy, so I got deathly ill. Fortunately I found out about CS and it worked. I have been taking CS for ten years come May, and it is a Godsend. I take it daily as a preventive, as the Lyme destroyed my gallbladder, and without CS I get nasty UTIs. I have to run for now but can tell you more later. Good luck Love, Marshalee Hi, I am new to the list. I have suffered with Lyme disease for over 10 years. Have been on antibiotics the entire time. I came accross information on colloidal silver and Lyme Disease. I even read a few testimonies from people that have tried CS for Lyme. The problem is all the testimonies are several years old. Is there anyone that can give me some updates on their use with CS and Lyme Disease? I have been taking it for 3 1/2 days now. I definitely feel better so far but don't believe I've experienced a herx yet which makes me wonder if its working. Any bodies comment's please. Heidi
CS>Lyme disease and CS
Hi, I am new to the list. I have suffered with Lyme disease for over 10 years. Have been on antibiotics the entire time. I came accross information on colloidal silver and Lyme Disease. I even read a few testimonies from people that have tried CS for Lyme. The problem is all the testimonies are several years old. Is there anyone that can give me some updates on their use with CS and Lyme Disease? I have been taking it for 3 1/2 days now. I definitely feel better so far but don't believe I've experienced a herx yet which makes me wonder if its working. Any bodies comment's please. Heidi
