Re: CS>Bruce's pulsed DC CS generator
7.6 vdc sounds about right, depending on the cost of the meter you are using to measure it. Remember, please, that Bruce's generator produces a pulsed square wave, which when measured by a normal, inexpensive Volt-Ohm-Milliammeter will register ONE-HALF the actual voltage, because half the time the voltage is ON (approx. 15.2 vdc, with loss in the circuit) and half the time the voltage is OFF (0 vdc). The meter averages the two, and reads 7.6 vdc. Simple, but elegant. grace & peace from Paul Bembower. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS dosages & PPM
Hi, y'all! I would find it really helpful if everyone who mentions a dosage of CS they are taking would be careful to say how much, how often, and what you believe the PPM to be. All at the same time. People should know that there is a big difference between a "swallow" (1/8 cup??) of 3-5 ppm home-made CS and an equal amount of 30-40ppm CS. Then we have to go back and ask and it gets confusing and fills up the hard drive with quoted messages ad infinitum. And if you dont KNOW the PPM, at least tell us what you THINK the PPM might be. Thanks & Grace & Peace from Paul Bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley
I don't know this gentlemen, and I certainly don't want to be negative about someone who speaks with such fervor However, I smell a rat. When the government wants to get involved in Alternative Medicine, I suspect that someone with a vested interest to protect is seeking some form of control over another interest that threatens it. Is there anyone in the silver-list who can sort this out for us??? Before I try to influence my representatives, I'd like to feel I wasn't asking the courts to split up Ma Bell, as it were, so my costs for doing just about everything could go up. p. bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Welcome, Ivan...
Ivan, welcome to the list. Please do keep us up to date on your research and testing. Please don't be too quick to dismiss AC methods for making CS.. Yes, there is a lot of hype on the commercial side of that, which I guess most of us would tend toward if we were trying to make a living with it and had invested a great deal of time and money in it. To be sure, most of us need to keep our costs down and are content with the product we are working toward using DC and the "tried and true". But...there are a number of people on this list treating serious conditions, and getting RESULTS that work for them, using HV-produced colloidal silver. And I am experimenting with it as well. This is where the rubber meets the road, for me. If people are USING something to treat a condition or disease which other methods have failed, and getting positive results, that's a pretty good indication that the product, whether home-made or bought, AC- or DC-generated, is helpful. All of us, I think, are interested in this goal more than any others. Welcome to the list, and as fall and winter come upon the northern hemisphere, be sure to brighten our days with your presence and your wisdom from New Zealand. Paul Bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS...ozonated water.
The literature for most of the ozonators on the market suggest that the ozonation is very transient. That is, the ozone doesn't remain in the water for more than about 20 minutes. The purpose of ozonation is first of all to kill bacteria in the water, which is a "safeguard" for water that has been distilled. A second purpose for ozonation is for immediate consumption by persons wishing to enhance oxygenation of their blood. The oxy-list has much more to say about this, I think. At any rate, I believe that much -- if not all -- of the silver oxide sludge generated when making DC colloidal silver is generated from the oxygen set loose by the electrolysis itself, and not as much from free oxygen which may be dissolved (or suspended) in the distilled water. Unless your distilled water has been ozonated within the twenty minutes before you start your CS process, you've not got a lot to worry about. Grace & Peace, from paul bembower. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bad State of U.S. Utilities
Has it occurred to anyone but me that a simple way to check out what would happen on Jan 1, 2000 would be to set the system computer (at a time when backups are current and everything could be reset in a matter of a few minutes or hours) for Dec. 31, 1999, 11:59pm. Then observe the results and do complete systems checks to see what doesn't work 2 minutes later? Could this be a helpful exercise for anyone? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Sota Instruments
Could someone please post the URL for Sota Instruments? Thanks & Blessings! bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS protocol
Mike, there's been so little of late about the CS protocol, I'd like to suggest something to get us back to that-- I think the simplest setup possible, with the greatest possibility for duplication in a wide variety of settings, should be adopted. I vote for: 3 - 9v batteries (cheap & commonly available) 1 - 28v 40ma incandescent bulb for ballast (ditto) 16 oz (1 pint) mason jar container (ditto) 3" immersion (so 6" electrodes can be revesed end for end for economy) 14ga .999 silver electrodes (2) (commonly available but not cheap) 3/4" spacing of electrodes, with minimum of 3/4" clearance from sides and bottom of brewing container (spacing of standard dual banana pin plug/jack is 3/4") brewing time = 2 hr. (this product should be used by users & compared to whatever they have been using for efficacy against whatever they have been treating with CS...a longer or shorter time might be better for some users/conditions) stirring w/ nonmetallic stirrer at 1/2 hour intervals (McDonald's Stir Sticks or bamboo skewers do quite nicely) wiping of electrodes at 1/2 hour intervals (keeps down the sludge) filtration with a single, normal 10-cup coffee filter (cheap & commonly available) All apparatus should be cleaned and rinsed with distilled water before beginning. I suggest that each person make a starter batch by heating the distilled water (by microwave or by hot-water bath) to 180 deg. F. to start, using NO electrolyte of any kind. Subsequent batches, following Bruce Stenulson's suggestion, should be made with 75% fresh, room-temp distilled water, and 25% of the starter (or previous batch), to improve conductivity. I believe that no electrolyte or protein of any kind should be used. Storage of completed product should be in brown glass pharmaceutical grade bottles only (available from your druggist/apothecary). Plastic (even used Hydrogen Peroxide bottles) seem to affect the CS) Now that ought to provide something to arouse a comment from almost everyone! [very big grin] It is not a sacred cow to me (no hurt feelings), so jump in and let's get this settled, folks, before my wife/partner tells me I can't honor my pledge 'cuz I've spent too much on my apparatus! Grace & Peace to you all. Paul Bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Lights Out: City vs Rural
Michael C McNeill wrote: > I know I keep saying this, but it bears repeating. The higher density > population areas(read larger customer base) will get power repairs first. > Everyone living in rural areas is on their own. Do you think your little > local > power company has the time and money to fix the y2k problem? Above quote > confirms what I've thought all along. Cities are where the money is, and > that's all that's important. > > Be prepared. > > Mamaturtl1 > - End forwarded message -- The smaller the utility, the more likely it is that they have not replaced their original (manual or mechanical) system controls with completely computer dependent systems. I lived in Metropolis, Illinois which has a municipal utility, and their powerhouse is mostly manual or mechanical systems. I suspect that most rural electric and other small utilities will manage to keep their distribution systems up at Y2K. More likely source of trouble will be the larger grids which have gone over completely to computerized systems but aren't large enough to have Y2K teams working on the problem. This is not to say we shouldn't be concerned A lot can and will go wrong around January 1, 2000, and you are right to remind us to be prepared. Paul Bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Hanna Inst. PWT & micro-Siemens
I may have gotten the ration fouled up...Situation Normal. You divide the number of micro-Siemens in *half* to get PPM of Total Dissolved Solids. So a calibration of 84 uS is equal to 42 ppm of total dissolved solids. Sorry about the foulup. 'Swhat happens when a theologian-philosopher tries to delve into physical chemistry . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Testing for TDS...
Mike and silver-listers: I talked to a gentleman named Pete at Hanna Instruments in Rhode Island, and told him exactly what it is I'm trying to do with CS, and what range of PPM I am trying to achieve. He originally had intended to suggest the $15 TDS-1 or the $46 DiST-WP1, but upon further reflection he suggested what they call the PWT. It has a range of 0-99.9 uS/cm (micro-Siemens). 1 micro-Siemen/cm is equivalent, Peter says, to 2 mg/l or 2 ppm. So, you could use this instrument, which has an accuracy of 2% of full scle (or 2 uS/cm) on CS with an actual TDS of 12ppm, and get a reading of 22-26 uS/cm. This number is easily and, perhaps more accurately, translated into a reading of 11-13 ppm, an accuracy of +/- 1 ppm. Further, Hanna can supply a calibration solution for $8.40/460mL, which, if properly cared for, could last for a very long time. The calibration standard is at 84 uS/cm, which is 42 ppm, and is much closer to our range than anything we could manufacture reliably ourselves. Before I spend anything on this, I'd like to know what some of you think of this. You can look at this on-line at: http://www.hannainst.com/products/testers/pwt.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
"International CS Council"
One of the vendors of High-End CS machines mentions in his advertising something called the "International Colloidal Silver Council" as if this were some sort of quality control, or quality *monitoring* group. Has anyone on this list ever heard of such a group? BTW, I just got back from a five-day trip & found over 150 posts to this list. Whew! You gals & guys are almost too much! But I sure do enjoy reading most of what you write. Thanks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Source for Ag wire...
Listmaintainer Mike: Please review this post to determine if the little
sales pitch I am putting here is consistent with the rules of the list.
If not, please do not post it, otherwise, remove this paragraph and edit
as you feel appropriate. You'll not hurt my feelings either way. {grin}
Upstream someone posted a note suggesting that Handy & Harmon is selling
. silver wire but calling it .999 Fine. Hauser & Miller here in
St. Louis buys some of their silver from Handy & Harmon, & tells me that
they (Handy & Harmon) charge a premium for the four9 stuff, hence it is
*highly* unlikely they are selling it as .999 for the same price.
I live about a mile and a half from Hauser & Miller Co, a supplier of
precious metals to the jeweler trade. Anyone can buy from them, but
they charge a $2 handling charge for cutting into a large roll of silver
wire, and they have a $25 minimum purchase. I'd be willing to take
orders for 6" .999 fine 14 gauge Silver Wire Electrodes at $5/pair,
postpaid. You might be able to get them cheaper elsewhere--I'm not in
this for profit or competition, just for a good quality well-tested CS I
can make at home. If any member of the list is interested, email me at
pastorp...@usa.net and I will reply with my mailing address so you can
send me a money order for the number of pairs you want. Missouri
residents please note your address so I can find a way to pay the
appropriate sales tax, as I am not a vendor and don't have a tax ID
number with the state.
On another item, I'd like to suggest that most of the home-made CS
generators I have heard about run on (3) 9-volt batteries. Perhaps that
is what the survey is supposed to determine, but whatever we settle on
for testing purposes should be, I think, from the most common of
machines. I have a 3x9volt machine, and a 2x9volt Pulsed DC machine,
but never saw a design for a 4x9volt machine.
I will kick in a $20.00 pledge to the testing fund, also.
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Testing, protocols, etc.
I have only recently joined the list, but I have several suggestions re: testing of CS that might stimulate some discussion. Here goes: 1. Could a standard method of "home brewing" be proposed, by which individuals with commercially built and home built generators of various types could produce sample CS lots for testing? That is to say, could we suggest that sample 1 from each source might be made with room temperature distilled water, 1 hour, no electrolyte added; sample 2 might be made with distilled water at 150 deg. F. starting temp, 1 hour, no electrolyte added; sample 3 might be similar to sample 1, but run for 2 hours; sample 4 might be similar to sample 2 but run for 2 hours. 2. Each sample would be coded with a unique indicator of its production method (Sample 1, 2, 3, or 4) and its source machine (Type/Mfr/AC/DC/etc.), grade/type of silver ingot used, etc. 3. Those samples should then be tested for Particle Size, Total Dissolved Solids/volume of solution (not PPM, which is not helpful in light of differing particle sizes. The above tests would make it possible to generalize about what is *being produced* by the CS community. THEN representative samples of what is being used should be tested for efficacy against various pathogens, microbes, viruses, etc. If a typical home-produced CS solution were found to have, for example, an average particle size of .011 micron, and a TDS of .0005 mcg per liter (I just made these up, folks!) then it would seem reasonable to send samples across a range of particle size and TDS both above and below the typical level to some organization, lab, or other testing agency (How 'bout Consumer's Union or Good Housekeeping?) to determine the efficacy of *typical* CS solutions against a variety of pathogenic agents. Conversely, if we (and I do include myself) donate money to finance testing of something we can't practically make at home, we'll not be serving the needs that seem to be driving this discussion. I'll shut up now & let someone else talk. Paul Bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
