Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
But because the vaccine is injected straight into the blood stream, it
avoids all the body's natural defense systems and therefore *doesn't* arm
the immune system in the way that you describe. This is where the bad
effects are felt also. dee
From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:53:56 -0600
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:53:55 -0800
Neville,
I think you have some of that wrong. Vaccinations are given precisely
for the purpose of having the body mount an immune response. You can
make a case for problems caused by additives like thimerosol, and
unintended hitchhiking viruses etc, but these are separate issues from
the inherent value of vaccines. One criticism might be that the
immune system becomes too reactive because of these vaccinations.
Dan
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote g.
I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year old
and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a 5th. I
asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is impairing
or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid gets older.
Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic brainwashed
dux of the class {opinion}. She obviously had never considered the fact
that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?
Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
to keep people alive and functional.
I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation it
still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did we
ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg of
mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in their
caves? It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a grip on
reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural immunity,
they should be thanking me - LOL. Bring 'em up tough I say, no room for
wooses in this world.
N.
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
From: phoenix23...@tds.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood
vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them
(small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune
systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing
cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in
the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office
for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years
ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's
temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say
minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and
aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of
all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living
conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us a healthier
population?
There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse.
The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given
if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature
immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than
others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to
cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion,
if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become
extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system and a toxic
environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H.
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RE: CS OT health / Big pharma
No worries Dan, just expressing an opinion.
Literature states the body can absorb a particular level of mercury and
whatever else is some vaccines contain without causing health issues, but if
giving vaccines in the number that's around today, and at such a vulnerable
age, combined with the many vaccines that are available for this and that - how
much is too much over time? I haven't read anything about issues which may
become prevalent 40 years after such volumes of vaccinations? Combine that
with an annual flu jab over many years, I just have to wonder.
Cancers, Altzheimers etc etc seem to be more prevalent nowadays, and I don't
believe it's just because it's publicised more today that we hear about it.
There's probly not too many families out there that doesn't have an older
rellie who has lost their mind, and cancers in a wider range of age groups and
from all walks of life seem to be on the increase. The poor quality of
foodstuffs we consume today can account for some {opinion} but again, combine
that with innumerable vaccines which many people, especially young mums with
toddlers and school age kids are being coerced into getting by the
establishment and my money is on - something stinks or is not quite right here?
If I may digress here for a second as others are discussing Polio, I will
relate a story told to me by my mother many many moons ago...A kid lived across
the road from us when I was just starting school {I remember the kid vaguely}
and his mother was terrified of Polio, so every toy that kid got, his mother
used to boil in water, every time he went inside from being outside that kid
had to wash his hands etc etc, and HE contracted Polio? I was the typical
mucky kid getting into all manner of dirt and crap in the neighbourhood and I
am fine. I just have to wonder about vaccines, moreso the quantity of them
being pushed on people today. My wife has a considerable 'dent?' in her arm
due to a vaccine she got when she was a kid, was that a dirty needle? Was
something wrong with that particular vaccine back then? Who knows? It was
over 50 years ago?
I'd like to read a suitable study spanning 40-50 years on people who have
health issues today, or who suffer from some affliction in the older age group,
and trace the history, but I doubt I'd come across anything remotely resembling
such a study as long as my bum points to the ground. If there was no risk then
they would not have that little rider, which is actually a Caveat Emptor, of no
comeback to the establishment should something go wrong? Everyone else can get
sued for whatever reason, but not the establishment or pharmaceutical
companies? That doesn't instil trust in the establishment from me that's for
sure.
I've heard others say it helps the immune system too, but I can't subscribe to
that theory, just my personal opinion that's all. How many cases of Polio and
other serious issues statistically are noted in countries of far inferior
health and hygiene environments than ours, and who don't get vaccinated for
almost any reason? My philosophy is...Only dead fish go with the flow, and
I'm far from dead at the moment, and I sure don't Thank todays technology or
medicine men/women for that g. I keep coming back to old Neanderthal man, he
made it through without all todays laboratory produced concoctions, in fact I
could probly say *I* was a bit Neanderthal as a kid, as most kids would have
been around my age group, give or take 10 years or so g. Of course he's
extinct now, but so will we be sometime in the future I'm sure.
There may well be some inherent value in vaccines - but how many is too many?
Seems like we could have quite a cocktail floating around in our systems, and
we know what happens if we imbibe in too many cocktails, something gets a
little out of kilter.
Just thought I'd throw that little rant in, probly senseless to some, but makes
sense to me as a Neanderthal thinker g.
N.
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:53:56 -0600
Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
From: bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Neville,
I think you have some of that wrong. Vaccinations are given precisely
for the purpose of having the body mount an immune response. You can
make a case for problems caused by additives like thimerosol, and
unintended hitchhiking viruses etc, but these are separate issues from
the inherent value of vaccines. One criticism might be that the
immune system becomes too reactive because of these vaccinations.
Dan
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote g.
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
On 12/29/2012 9:27 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) There is pretty good evidence that polio was introduced by the smallpox vaccine. Prior to the vaccine it was pretty well unheard of. And of course it has been well documented that cancer viruses were introduced by the polio vaccine. Now they want to vaccinate against cancer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks, Marshall. Would you please post some links to the documentation for this? Thanks, Gene On 12/31/2012 10:54 AM, Marshall wrote: On 12/29/2012 9:27 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) There is pretty good evidence that polio was introduced by the smallpox vaccine. Prior to the vaccine it was pretty well unheard of. And of course it has been well documented that cancer viruses were introduced by the polio vaccine. Now they want to vaccinate against cancer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/history.php Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic illness AFTER the smallpox vaccination. By the 1920s, infantile paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later when...vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following vaccination became common knowledge... Edda West, Polio Perspectives, Vaccine Risk Awareness Network One soldier... told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why a grown man should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine Poisoning. those at home didn't get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918. Eleanor McBean PhD, author of 'The Poisoned Needle' http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48943486.html For this exact reason, the United States has recently switched from the oral Sabin vaccine, which has a 2-4 in a million chance of causing polio, to the less powerful, but safer, Salk vaccine because the risk of polio from the oral vaccine approached the risk of acquiring wild polio. This will be discussed in greater depth later. The Sabin oral vaccine, developed a few years later, is a live attenuated (weakened) virus, that has a one in two to four million chance of causing polio. http://rawfed.com/vax/50things.html American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine. So what we have is a disease originally caused by the smallpox vaccine, which is no longer being given, but polio is still around because it is now being caused by the polio vaccine. At least that is my interpretation of the facts. Marshall On 12/31/2012 12:04 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote: Thanks, Marshall. Would you please post some links to the documentation for this? Thanks, Gene On 12/31/2012 10:54 AM, Marshall wrote: On 12/29/2012 9:27 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) There is pretty good evidence that polio was introduced by the smallpox vaccine. Prior to the vaccine it was pretty well unheard of. And of course it has been well documented that cancer viruses were introduced by the polio vaccine. Now they want to vaccinate against cancer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5499 - Release Date: 12/31/12
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
My Father had polio and I don't know if he was vaccinated before or not. My concern is if there was any post polio effect that could have been passed down to his offspring? Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks. PT From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, December 31, 2012 1:38:30 PM Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/history.php Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic illness AFTER the smallpox vaccination. By the 1920s, infantile paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later when...vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following vaccination became common knowledge... Edda West, Polio Perspectives, Vaccine Risk Awareness Network One soldier... told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why a grown man should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine Poisoning. those at home didn't get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918. Eleanor McBean PhD, author of 'The Poisoned Needle' http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48943486.html For this exact reason, the United States has recently switched from the oral Sabin vaccine, which has a 2-4 in a million chance of causing polio, to the less powerful, but safer, Salk vaccine because the risk of polio from the oral vaccine approached the risk of acquiring wild polio. This will be discussed in greater depth later. The Sabin oral vaccine, developed a few years later, is a live attenuated (weakened) virus, that has a one in two to four million chance of causing polio. http://rawfed.com/vax/50things.html American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine. So what we have is a disease originally caused by the smallpox vaccine, which is no longer being given, but polio is still around because it is now being caused by the polio vaccine. At least that is my interpretation of the facts. Marshall On 12/31/2012 12:04 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote: Thanks, Marshall. Would you please post some links to the documentation for this? Thanks, Gene On 12/31/2012 10:54 AM, Marshall wrote: On 12/29/2012 9:27 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) There is pretty good evidence that polio was introduced by the smallpox vaccine. Prior to the vaccine it was pretty well unheard of. And of course it has been well documented that cancer viruses were introduced by the polio vaccine. Now they want to vaccinate against cancer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5499 - Release Date: 12/31/12
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma// Polio
In a message dated 12/31/2012 4:56:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: My Father had polio and I don't know if he was vaccinated before or not. My concern is if there was any post polio effect that could have been passed down to his offspring? Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks. PT Hi Pt, I don't know in all cases but I had a friend who had polio she had the effects--limping--turned in foot, facial differences etc. None of her 4 kids showed any effects still don't. Lois
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
I never heard about the small pox vaccine causing polio. Fascinating (ala Spock..lol). I did read somewhere just recently about the use of aspirin (new on the scene back then) causing the Spanish Flu years ago to be more virulent than it would have been otherwise. Can't find the link just this sec. Lola H. On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:56 PM, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: My Father had polio and I don't know if he was vaccinated before or not. My concern is if there was any post polio effect that could have been passed down to his offspring? Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks. PT -- *From:* Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, December 31, 2012 1:38:30 PM *Subject:* Re: CS OT health / Big pharma http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/history.php Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic illness AFTER the smallpox vaccination. By the 1920s, infantile paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later when...vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following vaccination became common knowledge... Edda West, Polio Perspectives, Vaccine Risk Awareness Network One soldier... told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why a grown man should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine Poisoning. those at home didn't get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918. Eleanor McBean PhD, author of 'The Poisoned Needle' http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48943486.html For this exact reason, the United States has recently switched from the oral Sabin vaccine, which has a 2-4 in a million chance of causing polio, to the less powerful, but safer, Salk vaccine because the risk of polio from the oral vaccine approached the risk of acquiring wild polio. This will be discussed in greater depth later. The Sabin oral vaccine, developed a few years later, is a live attenuated (weakened) virus, that has a one in two to four million chance of causing polio. http://rawfed.com/vax/50things.html American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine. So what we have is a disease originally caused by the smallpox vaccine, which is no longer being given, but polio is still around because it is now being caused by the polio vaccine. At least that is my interpretation of the facts. Marshall On 12/31/2012 12:04 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote: Thanks, Marshall. Would you please post some links to the documentation for this? Thanks, Gene On 12/31/2012 10:54 AM, Marshall wrote: On 12/29/2012 9:27 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) There is pretty good evidence that polio was introduced by the smallpox vaccine. Prior to the vaccine it was pretty well unheard of. And of course it has been well documented that cancer viruses were introduced by the polio vaccine. Now they want to vaccinate against cancer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5499 - Release Date: 12/31/12
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma// Polio
Thanks, Lois. Happy New Year. Blessings, PT From: zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, December 31, 2012 5:10:09 PM Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma// Polio In a message dated 12/31/2012 4:56:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: My Father had polio and I don't know if he was vaccinated before ornot. My concern is if there was any post polio effect that could havebeen passed down to his offspring? Does anyone have any informationon this? Thanks. PT Hi Pt, I don't know in all cases but I had a friend who had polio she had the effects--limping--turned in foot, facial differences etc. None of her 4 kids showed any effects still don't. Lois
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.comwrote: ** AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children. ... If a person won't listen, then move on. But never let people frustrate you to the point where you cease being an agent of good. It takes a long time to change a person belief system, as change requires one to take a leap of faith into uncharted waters. The only way to grow is to challenge one's paradigms. It ain't easy. Olushola
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In North America we do not pay enough attention to the whole being, body, mind, and spirit. Nothing will work if you are determined to be sick. Much will work if you believe in the treatment. Positive mind set and spiritual health are not guarantees for good results, but help. There are many who survive and many who will fail to survive with either conventional or alternative methods. I suppose as with most things illness and wellness are not simple equations. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, ASL aslra...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree higherground13 - for years I was practically 10 years ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease. Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods. I've had had angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven by famous scientists. Now I am slowly learning to release the need to educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm a firm believer of alternative healing. Quote: *Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself.* *--henry miller--* On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
lol, so true. We used to pull carrots and wipe the dirt off with bottom of
our t-shirts.
Played with all the animals before hand too. Kids that are allowed to play
with animals
and dirt are far better off.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote g.
I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year
old and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a
5th. I asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is
impairing or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid
gets older. Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic
brainwashed dux of the class {opinion}. She obviously had never considered
the fact that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?
Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
to keep people alive and functional.
I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation
it still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did
we ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg
of mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in
their caves? It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a
grip on reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural
immunity, they should be thanking me - LOL. Bring 'em up tough I say, no
room for wooses in this world.
N.
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
From: phoenix23...@tds.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the
childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things
about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with
immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say
that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to
play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the
doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of
sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to
lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful
purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more
disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.
'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine,
sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us
a healthier population?
There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the
horse. The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is
a given if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or
immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall
prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my
opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would
have become extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system
and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H.
Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
Seeds. Planting seeds and leading by example are important but never forcing opinions. I react negatively to know-it-all, do-it-this-way advisors, who step in uninvited. Point to information and allow people to chose to learn or not in their own time. And sometimes after all is said and done, I am wrong! (although this is rare! lol) I am just amazed sometimes at the lack of interest and the lack of doing the simplest of research for their own health, or on their children's behalf. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:02 AM, olushola camara camaramah...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com wrote: ** AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children. ... If a person won't listen, then move on. But never let people frustrate you to the point where you cease being an agent of good. It takes a long time to change a person belief system, as change requires one to take a leap of faith into uncharted waters. The only way to grow is to challenge one's paradigms. It ain't easy. Olushola
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I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced accidentally in another vaccineas was AIDS. dee From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800 One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us a healthier population? There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse. The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H.
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Well said Nevilleas always. A Happy New Year to all on the list. dee
From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:51:28 +1100
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS OT health / Big pharma
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:51:27 -0800
Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote g.
I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year old
and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a 5th. I
asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is impairing
or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid gets older.
Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic brainwashed
dux of the class {opinion}. She obviously had never considered the fact
that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?
Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
to keep people alive and functional.
I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation it
still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did we
ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg of
mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in their
caves? It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a grip on
reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural immunity,
they should be thanking me - LOL. Bring 'em up tough I say, no room for
wooses in this world.
N.
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I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting. http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/ On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS. dee -- *From: *phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net *Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500 *To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: CS OT health / Big pharma *Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800 One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us a healthier population? There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse. The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H.
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V.. thanks for the link on polio vaccine. Interesting information. Just confirms what a lot of us suspect. That the gov is only interested in killing us, not curing us. There is a book, Cancer - Step Outside The Box by Ty Bollinger, that has some fascinating stats in the back of the book about the fact that in many areas where almost the whole susceptible population had been vaccinated, disease rates were rising in spite of the vaccine(s). He covered several of the common childhood diseases. Those stats condemn the whole medical profession and their 'vaccine mission' in my humble opinion.Lola H. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:34 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting. http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/ On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS. dee -- *From: *phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net *Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500 *To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: CS OT health / Big pharma *Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800 One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us a healthier population? There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse. The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H.
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Sadly, I would have to agree. But why are there not more conscientious people in offices that count? I will have to take a look for that book. I would like to read more. I am fifty this year and with two sisters affected, guess I should be somewhat prepared for what I would do if I get it too. Although, unless I sprout something obvious don't plan on going on any missions to find out. Gotta clean up my diet and get back to exercising, but that would be in the new year, not yet! Back to the chocolate for a day or two yet : ) On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.netwrote: V.. thanks for the link on polio vaccine. Interesting information. Just confirms what a lot of us suspect. That the gov is only interested in killing us, not curing us. There is a book, Cancer - Step Outside The Box by Ty Bollinger, that has some fascinating stats in the back of the book about the fact that in many areas where almost the whole susceptible population had been vaccinated, disease rates were rising in spite of the vaccine(s). He covered several of the common childhood diseases. Those stats condemn the whole medical profession and their 'vaccine mission' in my humble opinion.Lola H. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:34 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting. http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/ On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS. dee -- *From: *phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net *Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500 *To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: CS OT health / Big pharma *Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800 One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us a healthier population? There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse. The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H.
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Hi, V... Yes, you can probably get that book on ebay or Amazon. Here is an excerpt from the book (pg. 356) on Polio.. Didn't the polio vaccine save millions? The population of NY in 1950 was 15 million, and at that time, there were 13 polio cases and one polio death per 100,000 pop. Hardly an epidemic! But based solely on the scant evidence of a polio epidemic, Dr. Jonas Salk convinced the federal government to innoculate 97% of the American pop. with a culture grown in dead green monkeys. As the Salk vaccine program expanded, cases of paralytic polio began to increase. In 1959, more that 5000 paralytic polio cases occurred - 50% more than in 1958, and 100% more than in 1957. This trend developed in spite of 300,000,000 doses of Salk vaccine administered in the USA by the end of 1959. (*my comment*.. 300,000,000 doses? I find that number a little suspect but) Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from Vermont's 100% increase to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%. During the Congressional hearings of 1962, Dr. Greenberg, (head of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the Univ. of No. Carolina School of Public Health) testified that not only did the cases of polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations, but that the stats were manipulated by the Public Health Service and CDC to give the opposite impression. (*Hearings before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce*, House of Representatives, 87th Congress, Second Session on H. R. 10541, May, 1962, p.94) The writer goes on to discuss something called SV-40, a contaminate and how that can be passed on both horizontally and vertically. He has chapters on everything from GMOs to Aspertame. I thought I was getting a book about cancer therapies and it was nice to get the bonus information. By the way around my house, chocolate is considered to be one of the main food groups..lol.. enjoy! Lola H. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly, I would have to agree. But why are there not more conscientious people in offices that count? I will have to take a look for that book. I would like to read more. I am fifty this year and with two sisters affected, guess I should be somewhat prepared for what I would do if I get it too. Although, unless I sprout something obvious don't plan on going on any missions to find out. Gotta clean up my diet and get back to exercising, but that would be in the new year, not yet! Back to the chocolate for a day or two yet : ) On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net wrote: V.. thanks for the link on polio vaccine. Interesting information. Just confirms what a lot of us suspect. That the gov is only interested in killing us, not curing us. There is a book, Cancer - Step Outside The Box by Ty Bollinger, that has some fascinating stats in the back of the book about the fact that in many areas where almost the whole susceptible population had been vaccinated, disease rates were rising in spite of the vaccine(s). He covered several of the common childhood diseases. Those stats condemn the whole medical profession and their 'vaccine mission' in my humble opinion.Lola H. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:34 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting. http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/ On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS. dee -- *From: *phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net *Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500 *To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: CS OT health / Big pharma *Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800 One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine
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In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
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The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
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help needed! where can i unsubscribe? On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois --
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I totally agree higherground13 - for years I was practically 10 years ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease. Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods. I've had had angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven by famous scientists. Now I am slowly learning to release the need to educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm a firm believer of alternative healing. Quote: *Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself.* *--henry miller--* On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
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AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children. ... - Original Message - From: ASL To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma I totally agree higherground13 - for years I was practically 10 years ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease. Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods. I've had had angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven by famous scientists. Now I am slowly learning to release the need to educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm a firm believer of alternative healing. Quote: Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. --henry miller-- On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
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Hi Kathy, The thing that discourages me is that not only do conventional, allopathic cancer treatments often fail and put their victims through hell, but they also do enough irreversible damage to make the promise of proven, alternative treatments less likely afterward. A dear friend of mine finally got a Rife machine, after the whole gamut of oncological disasters (her fourth cancer, obviously generated by earlier cancer treatments) She said to me, 'I waited too long, didn't I?' She died a month later. Too many people come to some of the proven alternatives as a last resort, after their systems have been totally broken down. I know that there ARE people who have come through standard cancer treatments and are 'survivors' but I also know a lot of oncologists wouldn't go that route it if happened to them, personally. The same goes for long-term abx treatment of chronic Lyme. I've seen so many people straggle in to Lyme groups with awful relapses as the infections, driven into cyst form by abx are now coming back five-fold, making them sicker than the rest of us, with very compromised gut-function (which, after all is the main immune system) It's hard to bite my tongue and not offer help, but even harder to witness actual harm being done. Be well, Léna On Dec 29, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Kathy Tankersley wrote: AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children. ... - Original Message - From: ASL To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma I totally agree higherground13 - for years I was practically 10 years ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease. Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods. I've had had angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven by famous scientists. Now I am slowly learning to release the need to educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm a firm believer of alternative healing. Quote: Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. --henry miller-- On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
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The masses have been bombarded with such a multitude of mainstream propaganda pushing an ulterior motive via tv, radio, magazines, newspapers etc etc resulting in the removal of the capacity for an individual to think for him/herself. *WE* are in the minority and increasingly are shunned as people with lower intelligence because we are still capable of thinking for ourselves and don't get sucked in by all those, so called, 'studies?'. The masses have been institutionalised to worship the true God - the doctor - and only support one 'church' - the hospital and its preachings of pharmaceutical concoctions. I too have given up on others, just look after number one and the family. Poor old Bob Beck was absolutely correct when he said...People have a death wish. N. From: babychicks...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:45:54 -0600 AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children. ... - Original Message - From: ASL To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma I totally agree higherground13 - for years I was practically 10 years ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease. Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods. I've had had angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven by famous scientists. Now I am slowly learning to release the need to educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm a firm believer of alternative healing. Quote: Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. --henry miller-- On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this for us when we were little. I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days, which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence. Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called Outsmart Your Cancer by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf you die a day after the five years you are listed as cancer cured lots moreYikes-Lois
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Never a truer word said Neville - have a wonderful 2013 which I think is going to be a very interesting year - I will be watching all the games from a far ! Cheers Sandee Attitude is everything ! AliveAgainSilver - Drops Gel sandeemagic.organogold.com Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50df8b6b77479b6038f0st02vuc
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One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them (small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago, most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps. Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has that made us a healthier population? There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of antibiotics could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse. The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given if you reverse the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become extinct a long time ago. So, between an immature immune system and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever. Lola H. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: The masses have been bombarded with such a multitude of mainstream propaganda pushing an ulterior motive via tv, radio, magazines, newspapers etc etc resulting in the removal of the capacity for an individual to think for him/herself. *WE* are in the minority and increasingly are shunned as people with lower intelligence because we are still capable of thinking for ourselves and don't get sucked in by all those, so called, 'studies?'. The masses have been institutionalised to worship the true God - the doctor - and only support one 'church' - the hospital and its preachings of pharmaceutical concoctions. I too have given up on others, just look after number one and the family. Poor old Bob Beck was absolutely correct when he said...People have a death wish. N. -- From: babychicks...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:45:54 -0600 AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children. ... - Original Message - *From:* ASL aslra...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:25 PM *Subject:* Re: CS OT health / Big pharma I totally agree higherground13 - for years I was practically 10 years ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease. Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods. I've had had angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven by famous scientists. Now I am slowly learning to release the need to educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm a firm believer of alternative healing. Quote: *Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself.* *--henry miller--* On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that doctors are gods. My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can feel she has done everything she could to kill the cancer. My dad got sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't endorse. I no longer feel it is my duty to save everyone. If someone is genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012
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Cheers Sandee, and I hope you have a bright and healthy 2013. Hoo Rah and Oi Oi Oi for the Mighty Individualists and Free Thinkers of the world for *WE* are the one's who will eventually inherit the earth BG. I'm by no means religious by the way, but it isn't a bad saying is it? Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to one and all, including those I may have upset in 2012, would be boring if we were all the same g. Keep it safe out there, I wanna see everyone still around in 2013. N. From: oha...@juno.com Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma - 29 Dec Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:39:19 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Never a truer word said Neville - have a wonderful 2013 which I think is going to be a very interesting year - I will be watching all the games from a far !CheersSandee Attitude is everything !AliveAgainSilver - Drops Gel sandeemagic.organogold.com Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... ConsumerLifestyleMag.com
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Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote g.
I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year old
and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a 5th. I
asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural immunities
to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is impairing or retarding
the bodies natural immune development as the kid gets older. Of course I was
ignored and considered an idiot - the classic brainwashed dux of the class
{opinion}. She obviously had never considered the fact that the establishment
has got it wrong on the odd occasion?
Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills, vaccinations,
pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with health, in fact it's
the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more people are losing their
minds, more people are coming down with diseases that are starting to make a
comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are becoming more and more unhealthy and
dependant on medications in most cases to keep people alive and functional.
I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation it
still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did we
ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg of
mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in their
caves? It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a grip on
reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural immunity, they
should be thanking me - LOL. Bring 'em up tough I say, no room for wooses in
this world.
N.
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
Subject: Re: CS OT health / Big pharma
From: phoenix23...@tds.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood
vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them
(small pox/polio) but... Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune
systems. An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing
cancer is a failure of the immune system. Children used to play outside in the
dirt, etc.. their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office for a
magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles. Years ago,
most people didn't have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's temps.
Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose. I did say minor childhood
diseases.. diseases that are more disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox
or mumps) than dangerous. 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live
in almost pristine, sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers. Has
that made us a healthier population?
There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of antibiotics
could cause cancer. I think they got the cart before the horse. The fact that
more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given if you reverse
the theory. That is... because of a weakened or immature immune system or
response, these people would become sick more often than others (requiring more
antibiotic therapy) and they would fall prey to cancer also because of a
weakened or immature immune system. In my opinion, if not for the immune
response in human beings, the race would have become extinct a long time ago.
So, between an immature immune system and a toxic environment, we seem to be
sicker than ever. Lola H.
