Re: Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-22 Thread Acmeair
i've just bacl pm tje silver  list after a pretty long absence.  it sure 
doesn't  have much activity. i did a test  but i don't claim that pink 
attachment to it
 
 
 acmeair  j.o. howatt


On 06/16/14, 123 456 wrote:

On 6/16/14, Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I only know what I posted. It does say high quality plastic which
 would mean no BPA to me. I'm guessing it had no bearing on this test, it
 wasn't the objective of the test. Other info I read did say to use BPA
 free which I would.

 Cyndi

 On 6/15/2014 8:41 PM, olushola camara wrote:
 Did the experiment test for the presence of BPA?

 Olushola




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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-16 Thread Ode Coyote



http://www.specialtybottle.com/

ode

At 02:19 PM 6/15/2014 +0100, you wrote:

My local chemist / pharmacy

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Date: 15/06/2014 14:08 (GMT+00:00)
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What is your source?

Cyndi


On 6/13/2014 1:27 PM, asifnathekar wrote:
 I found those brown cough medicine glass bottles an ideal solution...
 Cheap as well!.



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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-16 Thread Cyndi
I only know what I posted. It does say high quality plastic which 
would mean no BPA to me. I'm guessing it had no bearing on this test, it 
wasn't the objective of the test. Other info I read did say to use BPA 
free which I would.


Cyndi

On 6/15/2014 8:41 PM, olushola camara wrote:

Did the experiment test for the presence of BPA?

Olushola





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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-16 Thread 123 456
On 6/16/14, Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I only know what I posted. It does say high quality plastic which
 would mean no BPA to me. I'm guessing it had no bearing on this test, it
 wasn't the objective of the test. Other info I read did say to use BPA
 free which I would.

 Cyndi

 On 6/15/2014 8:41 PM, olushola camara wrote:
 Did the experiment test for the presence of BPA?

 Olushola




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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-16 Thread 123 456
On 6/16/14, 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 6/16/14, Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I only know what I posted. It does say high quality plastic which
 would mean no BPA to me. I'm guessing it had no bearing on this test, it
 wasn't the objective of the test. Other info I read did say to use BPA
 free which I would.

 Cyndi

 On 6/15/2014 8:41 PM, olushola camara wrote:
 Did the experiment test for the presence of BPA?

 Olushola




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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-15 Thread Cyndi



On 6/13/2014 2:37 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote:

Dollar stores  ebay
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dropper+bottles_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.Xglass+dropper+bottles_nkw=glass+dropper+bottles_sacat=0

Search dropper bottles small spray bottles etc on ebay.

I would tend to avoid plastic just on principle although I do use some.
I make my own so I just use old water bottles.

Al


I can't imagine taking just drops of cs and of course the dropper makes 
the bottle more expensive. I did just research using glass vs plastic 
and found this study that showed glass was less effective than plastic, 
just the opposite of what I would have thought. I read other webpages 
that said as long as you use BPA free plastic you are fine. I'm thinking 
that for shipping plastic would be better because of breakage. The USPS 
is rough on mail, even when clearly labeled fragile.


Cyndi


I found this for the glass vs plastic debate:

Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers
by David A. Revelli, MS

Introduction

A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market place on the 
question of whether it is better to store silver solutions in glass 
versus plastic containers. There is a misconception that has prevailed 
in the market place that glass is better. The idea that glass containers 
are better for storing products which contain silver has never been 
proven scientifically. In fact, it has been reported in other studies 
that glass may have a detrimental effect on silver products.


Test Work

I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, in the laboratory 
of a major private institution, on the use of silver products to kill 
and inhibit the growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of tests 
on numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In the testing I have 
completed, I have used both glass (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic 
(Falcon 5 ml polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test work 
we found that there was a difference in the amount of silver that was 
needed to kill the bacteria when glass was used versus plastic test 
tubes. In order to make sure this was the case, it was decided that the 
MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) should be replicated by 
more than one person and a direct comparison was made. The MIC tests 
were performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass test tubes and 
5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test tubes. Results of the bacterial 
(MIC) tests showed that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm 
when the MIC test was performed in the plastic test tubes. S. aureus was 
inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in glass test tubes. 
This suggested that the material with which the test tubes were made, 
specifically glass or plastic, may have effected the results of the MIC 
test. Numerous other tests were also completed using larger 
concentrations of bacterium and in those tests it was found that there 
was no significant difference at all between using the glass test tubes 
versus plastic test tubes


Other Studies

The studies which I performed are not the only tests showing that glass, 
in some circumstances, may have a detrimental effect on silver products. 
It has been noted in another independent study which has been cited by 
other researchers that silver can adsorb to glass (Chambers 1960; 
Thurman 1989). With this in mind, it may have been possible that the 
silver could have adsorbed to the surface of the glass test tubes 
reducing the concentration of available silver interacting with the 
bacteria which resulted in having to use a higher amount of silver to 
kill the bacteria when the glass test tubes were used.


Conclusion

In the test work I have completed as well as in other available studies, 
it was found that glass may, in some cases, have a detrimental effect on 
silver products. While it can be said that glass did not always show the 
detrimental effect, it can also be stated that we found no problems at 
all with using the plastic instead of glass. Our tests, in conclusion 
with the other available independent study (1Chambers et al. and 
2Thurman et al.), would suggest, by inference, that silver products 
should not be stored in glass containers which could reduce the 
available concentration of silver, but rather in a high quality plastic 
container.


Respectively,
David A. Revelli, MS

References

Chambers, C. a. C. P. (1960). The Bacteriological and Chemical Behavior 
of Silver in Low Concentration. Cincinnati, OH, Division of Water Supply 
and Pollution Control, U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.


Thurman, R. a. C. G. (1989). The Molecular Mechanisms of Copper and 
Silver Ion Disinfection of Bacteria and Viruses. CRC Critical Reviews 
in Environmental Control 18(4): 295-314.


http://www.lifesilver.com/faq.htm


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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-15 Thread Cyndi


What is your source?

Cyndi


On 6/13/2014 1:27 PM, asifnathekar wrote:

I found those brown cough medicine glass bottles an ideal solution...
Cheap as well!.




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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-15 Thread asifnathekar
My local chemist / pharmacy

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Date: 15/06/2014  14:08  (GMT+00:00) 
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Subject: Re: CSBottles for cs storage 
 

What is your source?

Cyndi


On 6/13/2014 1:27 PM, asifnathekar wrote:
 I found those brown cough medicine glass bottles an ideal solution...
 Cheap as well!.



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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-15 Thread Alan Faulkner
Thanks Cyndi... Who knew...

I wonder if it might be related to some sort of static effect from glass? I 
wonder if the CS was fine once removed from the glass bottle? I notice that the 
experiments were carried out 'in' the test tubes as opposed to in CS that had 
been stored in test tubes.

This opens up a can of worms in that glass may affect a lot of different 
therapies potentially.

Alan


On 2014-06-15, at 06:08 AM, Cyndi wrote:



On 6/13/2014 2:37 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote:
 Dollar stores  ebay
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dropper+bottles_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.Xglass+dropper+bottles_nkw=glass+dropper+bottles_sacat=0
 
 Search dropper bottles small spray bottles etc on ebay.
 
 I would tend to avoid plastic just on principle although I do use some.
 I make my own so I just use old water bottles.
 
 Al

I can't imagine taking just drops of cs and of course the dropper makes the 
bottle more expensive. I did just research using glass vs plastic and found 
this study that showed glass was less effective than plastic, just the opposite 
of what I would have thought. I read other webpages that said as long as you 
use BPA free plastic you are fine. I'm thinking that for shipping plastic would 
be better because of breakage. The USPS is rough on mail, even when clearly 
labeled fragile.

Cyndi


I found this for the glass vs plastic debate:

Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers
by David A. Revelli, MS

Introduction

A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market place on the question of 
whether it is better to store silver solutions in glass versus plastic 
containers. There is a misconception that has prevailed in the market place 
that glass is better. The idea that glass containers are better for storing 
products which contain silver has never been proven scientifically. In fact, it 
has been reported in other studies that glass may have a detrimental effect on 
silver products.

Test Work

I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, in the laboratory of a 
major private institution, on the use of silver products to kill and inhibit 
the growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of tests on numerous strains 
of pathogenic bacteria. In the testing I have completed, I have used both glass 
(5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml polypropylene plastic test 
tubes). In some of the test work we found that there was a difference in the 
amount of silver that was needed to kill the bacteria when glass was used 
versus plastic test tubes. In order to make sure this was the case, it was 
decided that the MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) should be 
replicated by more than one person and a direct comparison was made. The MIC 
tests were performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass test tubes and 5 
ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) 
tests showed that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm when the MIC 
test was performed in the plastic test tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm 
when the MIC test was performed in glass test tubes. This suggested that the 
material with which the test tubes were made, specifically glass or plastic, 
may have effected the results of the MIC test. Numerous other tests were also 
completed using larger concentrations of bacterium and in those tests it was 
found that there was no significant difference at all between using the glass 
test tubes versus plastic test tubes

Other Studies

The studies which I performed are not the only tests showing that glass, in 
some circumstances, may have a detrimental effect on silver products. It has 
been noted in another independent study which has been cited by other 
researchers that silver can adsorb to glass (Chambers 1960; Thurman 1989). With 
this in mind, it may have been possible that the silver could have adsorbed to 
the surface of the glass test tubes reducing the concentration of available 
silver interacting with the bacteria which resulted in having to use a higher 
amount of silver to kill the bacteria when the glass test tubes were used.

Conclusion

In the test work I have completed as well as in other available studies, it was 
found that glass may, in some cases, have a detrimental effect on silver 
products. While it can be said that glass did not always show the detrimental 
effect, it can also be stated that we found no problems at all with using the 
plastic instead of glass. Our tests, in conclusion with the other available 
independent study (1Chambers et al. and 2Thurman et al.), would suggest, by 
inference, that silver products should not be stored in glass containers which 
could reduce the available concentration of silver, but rather in a high 
quality plastic container.

Respectively,
David A. Revelli, MS

References

Chambers, C. a. C. P. (1960). The Bacteriological and Chemical Behavior of 
Silver in Low Concentration. Cincinnati, OH, Division of Water Supply and 

Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-15 Thread olushola camara
Did the experiment test for the presence of BPA?

Olushola


On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 6/13/2014 2:37 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote:

 Dollar stores  ebay
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dropper+bottles_
 osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.
 A0.H0.Xglass+dropper+bottles_nkw=glass+dropper+bottles_sacat=0

 Search dropper bottles small spray bottles etc on ebay.

 I would tend to avoid plastic just on principle although I do use some.
 I make my own so I just use old water bottles.

 Al


 I can't imagine taking just drops of cs and of course the dropper makes
 the bottle more expensive. I did just research using glass vs plastic and
 found this study that showed glass was less effective than plastic, just
 the opposite of what I would have thought. I read other webpages that said
 as long as you use BPA free plastic you are fine. I'm thinking that for
 shipping plastic would be better because of breakage. The USPS is rough on
 mail, even when clearly labeled fragile.

 Cyndi


 I found this for the glass vs plastic debate:

 Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers
 by David A. Revelli, MS

 Introduction

 A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market place on the question
 of whether it is better to store silver solutions in glass versus plastic
 containers. There is a misconception that has prevailed in the market place
 that glass is better. The idea that glass containers are better for storing
 products which contain silver has never been proven scientifically. In
 fact, it has been reported in other studies that glass may have a
 detrimental effect on silver products.

 Test Work

 I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, in the laboratory
 of a major private institution, on the use of silver products to kill and
 inhibit the growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of tests on
 numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In the testing I have completed, I
 have used both glass (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml
 polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test work we found that
 there was a difference in the amount of silver that was needed to kill the
 bacteria when glass was used versus plastic test tubes. In order to make
 sure this was the case, it was decided that the MIC tests (Minimum
 Inhibitory Concentration) should be replicated by more than one person and
 a direct comparison was made. The MIC tests were performed in triplicate in
 both 5 ml 13X100mm glass test tubes and 5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic
 test tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) tests showed that Staphylococcus
 aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in the
 plastic test tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC test was
 performed in glass test tubes. This suggested that the material with which
 the test tubes were made, specifically glass or plastic, may have effected
 the results of the MIC test. Numerous other tests were also completed using
 larger concentrations of bacterium and in those tests it was found that
 there was no significant difference at all between using the glass test
 tubes versus plastic test tubes

 Other Studies

 The studies which I performed are not the only tests showing that glass,
 in some circumstances, may have a detrimental effect on silver products. It
 has been noted in another independent study which has been cited by other
 researchers that silver can adsorb to glass (Chambers 1960; Thurman 1989).
 With this in mind, it may have been possible that the silver could have
 adsorbed to the surface of the glass test tubes reducing the concentration
 of available silver interacting with the bacteria which resulted in having
 to use a higher amount of silver to kill the bacteria when the glass test
 tubes were used.

 Conclusion

 In the test work I have completed as well as in other available studies,
 it was found that glass may, in some cases, have a detrimental effect on
 silver products. While it can be said that glass did not always show the
 detrimental effect, it can also be stated that we found no problems at all
 with using the plastic instead of glass. Our tests, in conclusion with the
 other available independent study (1Chambers et al. and 2Thurman et al.),
 would suggest, by inference, that silver products should not be stored in
 glass containers which could reduce the available concentration of silver,
 but rather in a high quality plastic container.

 Respectively,
 David A. Revelli, MS

 References

 Chambers, C. a. C. P. (1960). The Bacteriological and Chemical Behavior of
 Silver in Low Concentration. Cincinnati, OH, Division of Water Supply and
 Pollution Control, U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.

 Thurman, R. a. C. G. (1989). The Molecular Mechanisms of Copper and
 Silver Ion Disinfection of Bacteria and Viruses. CRC Critical Reviews in
 Environmental Control 18(4): 295-314.

 http://www.lifesilver.com/faq.htm


CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-13 Thread Cyndi
I have lots of friends who want cs from me and I do have a few bottles I 
use for myself but I'm looking for a source for bottles that I can use 
for my friends, that I don't have to worry about getting back. I'd think 
about 8 oz would be the best size but most I see have metal lids and I'm 
thinking plastic lids would be better.


What do you all use? I'm not against buying a small case from someplace. 
I'm guessing colored glass is best?


Cyndi


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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-13 Thread asifnathekar
I found those brown cough medicine glass bottles an ideal solution...
Cheap as well!.


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 Original message 
From: Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com
Date: 13/06/2014  18:21  (GMT+00:00)
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBottles for cs storage

I have lots of friends who want cs from me and I do have a few bottles I
use for myself but I'm looking for a source for bottles that I can use
for my friends, that I don't have to worry about getting back. I'd think
about 8 oz would be the best size but most I see have metal lids and I'm
thinking plastic lids would be better.

What do you all use? I'm not against buying a small case from someplace.
I'm guessing colored glass is best?

Cyndi


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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-13 Thread kagi

Cobalt Blue Glass Boston Round Bottle  Black Polycone Cap
sold by the case (24), $1.80 - $0.79 per bottle depending on number of cases 
ordered.

http://www.sunburstbottle.com/cobalt-blue-glass-boston-round-bottle/p/CB828POLY-24/

Cobalt Blue Boston Round Glass Bottle with cap 8oz $1.23ea
http://www.specialtybottle.com/cobaltbluebostonroundglassbottle8ozwcap.aspx

Cobalt Blue Boston Round Glass Bottle with cap 16oz $1.52ea
http://www.specialtybottle.com/cobaltbluebostonroundglassbottle16ozwcap.aspx

-Original Message- 
From: Cyndi

Sent: Friday, 13 June, 2014 12:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBottles for cs storage

I have lots of friends who want cs from me and I do have a few bottles I
use for myself but I'm looking for a source for bottles that I can use
for my friends, that I don't have to worry about getting back. I'd think
about 8 oz would be the best size but most I see have metal lids and I'm
thinking plastic lids would be better.

What do you all use? I'm not against buying a small case from someplace.
I'm guessing colored glass is best?

Cyndi


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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-13 Thread Victor Cozzetto
Cyndi,

I reuse plastic PET bottles. Or PETE. These are plastic bottles that have a
number one inside a triangle (somewhere on the bottle). I usually tell
family and friends to bring me their empty plastic bottles, and sometimes
they will be PET. For example, orange or apple juice is usually stored in
PET bottles.

Almost everything in Japan uses PET, so it is easy for me there. But I
notice that PET is a bit more difficult to find in NY.

I use clear bottles and have no problems with my CS produced by the
Silverpuppy.

I do not recommend using any other type of plastic bottles, but I am not an
expert. From my research I found that PET is the closest to glass, as far
as electrostatic and chemical concerns go.

Victor



On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have lots of friends who want cs from me and I do have a few bottles I
 use for myself but I'm looking for a source for bottles that I can use for
 my friends, that I don't have to worry about getting back. I'd think about
 8 oz would be the best size but most I see have metal lids and I'm thinking
 plastic lids would be better.

 What do you all use? I'm not against buying a small case from someplace.
 I'm guessing colored glass is best?

 Cyndi


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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-13 Thread Alan Faulkner
Dollar stores  ebay 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dropper+bottles_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.Xglass+dropper+bottles_nkw=glass+dropper+bottles_sacat=0

Search dropper bottles small spray bottles etc on ebay.

I would tend to avoid plastic just on principle although I do use some. I make 
my own so I just use old water bottles.

Al


On 2014-06-13, at 10:27 AM, asifnathekar wrote:

I found those brown cough medicine glass bottles an ideal solution...
Cheap as well!. 


Sent from Samsung Mobile



 Original message 
From: Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com 
Date: 13/06/2014 18:21 (GMT+00:00) 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CSBottles for cs storage 


I have lots of friends who want cs from me and I do have a few bottles I 
use for myself but I'm looking for a source for bottles that I can use 
for my friends, that I don't have to worry about getting back. I'd think 
about 8 oz would be the best size but most I see have metal lids and I'm 
thinking plastic lids would be better.

What do you all use? I'm not against buying a small case from someplace. 
I'm guessing colored glass is best?

Cyndi


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Re: CSBottles for cs storage

2014-06-13 Thread Scotty
I personally have been using the clear plastic travel size lotion bottles from 
Dollar Tree for many years now and they work great. I have given CS to my 
friends and family in these same bottles. Inexpensive and durable. 

Scotty
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On Fri, 6/13/14, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: CSBottles for cs storage
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 11:37 AM
 
 Dollar
 stores  ebay 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dropper+bottles_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.Xglass+dropper+bottles_nkw=glass+dropper+bottles_sacat=0
 Search dropper bottles small spray
 bottles etc on ebay.
 I
 would tend to avoid plastic just on principle although I do
 use some. I make my own so I just use old water
 bottles.
 Al
 
 On 2014-06-13, at 10:27 AM,
 asifnathekar wrote:
 
 
 
 I found those brown cough medicine glass bottles an
 ideal solution...
 Cheap as well!. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Original message 
 
 From: Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com
 
 
 Date: 13/06/2014 18:21 (GMT+00:00) 
 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 
 Subject: CSBottles for cs storage 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I have lots of friends
 who want cs from me and I do have a few bottles I
 
 
 use for myself but I'm looking for a source for bottles
 that I can use 
 
 for my friends, that I don't have to worry about getting
 back. I'd think 
 
 about 8 oz would be the best size but most I see have metal
 lids and I'm 
 
 thinking plastic lids would be better.
 
 
 
 What do you all use? I'm not against buying a small case
 from someplace. 
 
 I'm guessing colored glass is best?
 
 
 
 Cyndi
 
 
 
 
 
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