Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Dee]

Also it says 'silver salts' which is NOT what we have in EIS.  Dee 
 
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From: zoe w
Date: 11/07/07 04:29:50
To: Deborah Gerard
Subject: Re: CSCan I get a response to this?
 
I'm no expert  but right off I see   silver nitrate capsules   This is NOT
CS.Im sure others on the list
can give you more and better details.
zoe


 it has been shown now that parenterally administered silver salts can
accumulate in neurons and glial cells of the brain and spinal cord. The
amount of silver deposited in the various tissues is directly proportional
to the blood supply of the respective organ.


It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
 
 
 
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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Clayton Family]

Thanks.  I know that there are some equine diseases around here that 
can and sometimes are transmitted to humans via mosquitoes, it is a 
concern here in the summer. They use mosquito controls here because of 
that and other illnesses transmitted by the pesky little bugs.


On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:46 PM, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

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 That is great info. That is Equine P...? what?

 
 Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis -- inflammation of the brain 
and/or spinal cord from a protozoal infection. 


 Anyone know if it works for heartworms in dogs?

 
 Don't know the answer to that -- sorry.  MA 



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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[faith gagne]

Who is taking silver nitrate capsules and why?

Faith


  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: cs 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:26 PM
  Subject: CSCan I get a response to this?


  This is from another group arguing about cs...
  Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble 
colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly bound 
with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood level of silver in 
argyremic patients is reported to vary from nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. 
However, Blumberg and Carey report a single patient whose spectrographic 
analysis of blood reveals blood silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week 
after discontinuing the use of silver nitrate capsules [7]. 

  Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited in 
various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The highest 
concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, and adrenals. 
Although originally believed to not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, it has 
been shown now that parenterally administered silver salts can accumulate in 
neurons and glial cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver 
deposited in the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply 
of the respective organ.

  It can't be stated any more clearly than that.



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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Ode Coyote]

 It can be stated  a LOT clearer than that.

  A colloid is a colloid because it isn't soluble [Ionic silver is 
soluble but doesn't have nearly the PPM that soluble silver nitrate can have.]
 Silver Nitrate isn't a colloid. [it's a soluble ionic compound that can 
be several thousands of PPM silver ]
 The blood level figure doesn't say how much silver nitrate the patient 
consumed at what PPM over what period of time...it's meaningless.
 Silver Nitrate is by no means colloidal silver, nor is it what we would 
call Ionic Silver' [although technically the definition fits]


Ode

At 06:26 PM 11/6/2007 -0800, you wrote:

This is from another group arguing about cs...
Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble 
colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly 
bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood level 
of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from nondetectable to 
0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report a single patient 
whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood silver levels of 0.5 
mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing the use of silver nitrate 
capsules [7].


Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited in 
various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The highest 
concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, and 
adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the blood-brain 
barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally administered silver salts 
can accumulate in neurons and glial cells of the brain and spinal cord. 
The amount of silver deposited in the various tissues is directly 
proportional to the blood supply of the respective organ.


It can't be stated any more clearly than that.




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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Marshall Dudley]

What does this have to do with Colloidal silver?

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:

*This is from another group arguing about cs...*
Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble 
colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly 
bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood 
level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from 
nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report 
a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood 
silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing 
the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].


Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited 
in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The 
highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, 
and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the 
blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally 
administered silver salts *_can accumulate_* in neurons and glial 
cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver deposited in 
the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of 
the respective organ.


It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
 
 
 


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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Deborah Gerard]

this guy was bashing the use of colloidal silver and claiming it turns people 
graydebbie

Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:  What does this have to do with 
Colloidal silver?

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
 *This is from another group arguing about cs...*
 Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble 
 colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly 
 bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood 
 level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from 
 nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report 
 a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood 
 silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing 
 the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].

 Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited 
 in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The 
 highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, 
 and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the 
 blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally 
 administered silver salts *_can accumulate_* in neurons and glial 
 cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver deposited in 
 the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of 
 the respective organ.

 It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
 
 
 

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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Clayton Family]

Silver nitrate is the medical form of silver- it is known to cause 
argyria. Other silver salts may also do that. It is different than our 
ionic silver- far stronger, and less effective ( in my own opinion).  
It also is not as stable, being ionic, so may not be as commercially 
viable for the pharma industry.


I am interested in the statements about silver going into the liver, 
adrenals and spleen. Some of the symptoms of chronic fatigue seem to be 
caused by the adrenals functioning on the low side. If there are 
pathogens in the organs, that would compromise them, and if the silver 
goes into them, it would kill the pathogens. Also going into the brain 
sounds good to me too, since some psychoses are caused by parasites, 
and probably other pathogens in the brain.


If the level of silver is small, as with ionic silver, then the 
deposition should be minimal, and no problems should result in people 
with normal metal elimination systems and no nutritional deficiencies.


Kathryn

On Nov 6, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:


This is from another group arguing about cs...
Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble 
colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly 
bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood 
level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from 
nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report 
a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood 
silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing 
the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].


Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited 
in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The 
highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, 
and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the 
blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally 
administered silver salts can accumulate in neurons and glial cells of 
the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver deposited in the 
various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of the 
respective organ.


It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
 
 


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CSCan I get a response to this?

[marmar845]

 Also going into the brain 
 sounds good to me too, since some psychoses are caused by parasites, 
 and probably other pathogens in the brain. 

 It's what we count on when using CS to treat horses for EPM -- because 
this disease is caused by parasites in the brain and spinal cord.  CS does seem 
to cross the blood-brain barrier and kill those parasites.  MA

Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Marshall Dudley]

But nothing in that message has anything about colloidal silver in it. 
It was talking about silver nitrate, which we all already know will 
cause argyria, and would not touch with a 10 foot pole. So once again, I 
ask, what does it have to do with colloidal silver.  At the top it says 
talking about CS, but there is nothing in what follows that has anything 
to do with CS at all.  It is like saying that the nitrogen in the air is 
deadly poisonous because nitrogen is in cyanide.


Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
this guy was bashing the use of colloidal silver and claiming it turns 
people graydebbie


*/Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com/* wrote:

What does this have to do with Colloidal silver?

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
 *This is from another group arguing about cs...*
 Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a
soluble
 colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most
commonly
 bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood
 level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from
 nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey
report
 a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals
blood
 silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing
 the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].

 Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be
deposited
 in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The
 highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver,
spleen,
 and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the
 blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally
 administered silver salts *_can accumulate_* in neurons and glial
 cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver
deposited in
 the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of
 the respective organ.

 It can't be stated any more clearly than that.




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RE: CSCan I get a response to this?

[bob Larson]

...yeah, when i read about silver now being found in nerves, brain, CSF,
liver, etc... i'm thinking that's exactly the good news i've been hoping
for...unless bad stuff turns out to come with it.

i'm curious about all that stuff about the silver mostly being carried in
the blood as a protein compound... this is news to me, and outside of all
the various other theories i've read about what silver ions do in the
bloodstream.

 -Original Message-
 From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:11 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSCan I get a response to this?


 Silver nitrate is the medical form of silver- it is known to cause
 argyria. Other silver salts may also do that. It is different than our
 ionic silver- far stronger, and less effective ( in my own opinion).
 It also is not as stable, being ionic, so may not be as commercially
 viable for the pharma industry.

 I am interested in the statements about silver going into the liver,
 adrenals and spleen. Some of the symptoms of chronic fatigue seem to be
 caused by the adrenals functioning on the low side. If there are
 pathogens in the organs, that would compromise them, and if the silver
 goes into them, it would kill the pathogens. Also going into the brain
 sounds good to me too, since some psychoses are caused by parasites,
 and probably other pathogens in the brain.

 If the level of silver is small, as with ionic silver, then the
 deposition should be minimal, and no problems should result in people
 with normal metal elimination systems and no nutritional deficiencies.

 Kathryn

 On Nov 6, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

  This is from another group arguing about cs...
  Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble
  colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly
  bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood
  level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from
  nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report
  a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood
  silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing
  the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].
 
  Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited
  in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The
  highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen,
  and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the
  blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally
  administered silver salts can accumulate in neurons and glial cells of
  the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver deposited in the
  various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of the
  respective organ.
 
  It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
   
   

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RE: CSCan I get a response to this?

[bob Larson]

on what list?  who?

more importantly, source of the quoted excerpt...i'd like to see the whole
article or whatever it is in context.
  -Original Message-
  From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:34 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSCan I get a response to this?


  this guy was bashing the use of colloidal silver and claiming it turns
people graydebbie

  Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
What does this have to do with Colloidal silver?

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
 *This is from another group arguing about cs...*
 Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble
 colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly
 bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood
 level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from
 nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report
 a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood
 silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing
 the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].

 Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited
 in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The
 highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen,
 and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the
 blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally
 administered silver salts *_can accumulate_* in neurons and glial
 cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver deposited in
 the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of
 the respective organ.

 It can't be stated any more clearly than that.




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Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Clayton Family]

Exactly.  That is a very good point.

However, some people are very new at this and do not understand the 
differences, thus the question, and then your answer.

On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

But nothing in that message has anything about colloidal silver in it. 
It was talking about silver nitrate, which we all already know will 
cause argyria, and would not touch with a 10 foot pole. So once again, 
I ask, what does it have to do with colloidal silver.  At the top it 
says talking about CS, but there is nothing in what follows that has 
anything to do with CS at all.  It is like saying that the nitrogen in 
the air is deadly poisonous because nitrogen is in cyanide.


Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
this guy was bashing the use of colloidal silver and claiming it 
turns people graydebbie


*/Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com/* wrote:

What does this have to do with Colloidal silver?



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[Clayton Family]

That is great info.  That is Equine P...? what?

Anyone know if it works for heartworms in dogs?

On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:15 AM, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:


 
 Also going into the brain
 sounds good to me too, since some psychoses are caused by parasites,
 and probably other pathogens in the brain.
 It's what we count on when using CS to treat horses for EPM -- 
because this disease is caused by parasites in the brain and spinal 
cord.  CS does seem to cross the blood-brain barrier and kill those 
parasites.  MA



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[Marshall Dudley]

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Also going into the brain

 sounds good to me too, since some psychoses are caused by parasites,
 and probably other pathogens in the brain.
 It's what we count on when using CS to treat horses for EPM -- 
because this disease is caused by parasites in the brain and spinal 
cord.  CS does seem to cross the blood-brain barrier and kill those 
parasites.  MA
I would like to point out that if there are parasites going into the 
brain, then they are boring through the barrier, and thus, for all 
practical purposes, there is no barrier until it can heal.  Thus that 
any particular material makes it into the brain under those conditions 
is not really proof that it can cross the unbreeched barrier.


Marshall


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[marmar845]

-- Original message from Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com: 
-- 


 That is great info. That is Equine P...? what?

 Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis -- inflammation of the brain and/or 
spinal cord from a protozoal infection. 
 
 Anyone know if it works for heartworms in dogs?

 Don't know the answer to that -- sorry.  MA 

CSCan I get a response to this?

[marmar845]

-- Original message from Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com: 
-- 

 I would like to point out that if there are parasites going into the 
 brain, then they are boring through the barrier, and thus, for all 
 practical purposes, there is no barrier until it can heal. Thus that 
 any particular material makes it into the brain under those conditions 
 is not really proof that it can cross the unbreeched barrier.

 You may be right Marshall.  But what is being speculated now is that the 
parasites are hitching a ride on white blood cells.  If that's the case, then 
there is no breech.  You make an interesting point though -- so tell me, how 
would the blood-brain barrier become damaged?  And how would it go about 
healing?  MA 

Re: CSCan I get a response to this?

[Marshall Dudley]

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
-- Original message from Marshall Dudley 
mdud...@king-cart.com: --
 
 I would like to point out that if there are parasites going into the

 brain, then they are boring through the barrier, and thus, for all
 practical purposes, there is no barrier until it can heal. Thus that
 any particular material makes it into the brain under those conditions
 is not really proof that it can cross the unbreeched barrier.
 
 You may be right Marshall.  But what is being speculated now is 
that the parasites are hitching a ride on white blood cells.  If 
that's the case, then there is no breech.  You make an interesting 
point though -- so tell me, how would the blood-brain barrier become 
damaged?  And how would it go about healing?  MA 
In the case of spirochetes, they just drill right through it.  That is 
one thing that makes Lyme disease so insidious.  Fungi can produce 
enzymes that eat right through it as well. If allowed to, just about 
anything in the body will heal over time.


I was not aware of the white blood cell connection.

Marshall


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CSCan I get a response to this?

[marmar845]

Marshall said:
 I was not aware of the white blood cell connection. 

 Marshall -- I'll try to find the post that discusses this possibility.  If 
I can find it, I'll post it here.  MA

CSCan I get a response to this?

[Deborah Gerard]

This is from another group arguing about cs...
  Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble 
colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly bound 
with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood level of silver in 
argyremic patients is reported to vary from nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. 
However, Blumberg and Carey report a single patient whose spectrographic 
analysis of blood reveals blood silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week 
after discontinuing the use of silver nitrate capsules [7]. 

Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited in 
various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The highest 
concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, and adrenals. 
Although originally believed to not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, it has 
been shown now that parenterally administered silver salts can accumulate in 
neurons and glial cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver 
deposited in the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply 
of the respective organ.

It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
   
   
   

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[zoe w]

I'm no expert but right off I see  "silver nitrate capsules"  This is NOT CS.  Im sure others on the list
can give you more and better details.
zoe







This is from another group arguing about cs...
"Most of the absorbed silver is transported through blood as a soluble colloid with plasma protein. The plasma protein that is most commonly bound with silver is albumin, forming silver albuminate. The blood level of silver in argyremic patients is reported to vary from nondetectable to 0.005 mg Ag/l [6]. However, Blumberg and Carey report a single patient whose spectrographic analysis of blood reveals blood silver levels of 0.5 mg/l, approximately 1 week after discontinuing the use of silver nitrate capsules [7].

Some of the silver in plasma is carried as a salt and may be deposited in various tissues after being reduced to its metallic form. The highest concentrations of silver are found in the skin, liver, spleen, and adrenals. Although originally believed to not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, it has been shown now that parenterally administered silver saltscan accumulatein neurons and glial cells of the brain and spinal cord. The amount of silver deposited in the various tissues is directly proportional to the blood supply of the respective organ."

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