Re: CSConcentrating EIS
is one of the quickest ways to develop argyria. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 21:52 Subject: CSConcentrating EIS This need a new thread. 1. When EIS gets concentrated through evaporation, why does it turn brown? 2. The color being reversible when you add distilled water, what can we say that tells us about the risk of argyria when consuming a set mass of silver in a highly concentrated form as compared to normally? 3. If you added peroxide to EIS first, and then tried to concentrate it, what would happen? Would the metallic particles still remain stable? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcentrating EIS
On 9/16/2011 12:52 AM, David AuBuchon wrote: This need a new thread. 1. When EIS gets concentrated through evaporation, why does it turn brown? As it concentrates the Ag2O level exceeds its solubility limit, and deposits on the particles. Once a particle is covered with Ag2O, it loses some of it repulsive charge, and can aggregate with other particles forming a kind of popcorn ball, where the popcorn is the original silver particles, and the silver oxide is the corn syrup. 2. The color being reversible when you add distilled water, what can we say that tells us about the risk of argyria when consuming a set mass of silver in a highly concentrated form as compared to normally? I am not sure that says anything. Once water is added, the silver oxide redissolves, and the particles fall apart, ending up with what you started with. Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it becomes caught in the tissues. There is no Ag2O in that particle. 3. If you added peroxide to EIS first, and then tried to concentrate it, what would happen? Would the metallic particles still remain stable? I don't think it would behave any differently, but would be an interesting experiment to try. Marshall ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSConcentrating EIS
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS and
caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would be
coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee is
consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured you
may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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Re: CSConcentrating EIS
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not.
There are lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named
caffeine as one example to show how easy it could be to have a developer
in the blood. I suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would
also support the process in blood independent of any food or drink that
is consumed. It would be an interesting, but time consuming, project to
try and find out what components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is
quite likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My
assumption is that it is highly likely that one or more chemicals
present in anyone's blood would suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between
EIS/CS and caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you
would be coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea
contains caffeine too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of
coffee a day would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on
particular EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of
coffee is consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there
ARE any known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or
inferrrence I figured you may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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Re: CSConcentrating EIS
Your ideas about caffeine may be related in some manner to this new report:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110815162337.htm
The idea is that caffeine inhibits skin cancer in some way.Perhaps as a
developer it absorbs some damaging UV radiation, in the mechanism of cancer
inhibition, if real, is at least partially related to that phenomenon.
On 2011/09/17, at 12:20, Marshall wrote:
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not. There
are lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named caffeine
as one example to show how easy it could be to have a developer in the blood.
I suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would also support the
process in blood independent of any food or drink that is consumed. It would
be an interesting, but time consuming, project to try and find out what
components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is quite
likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My assumption is
that it is highly likely that one or more chemicals present in anyone's blood
would suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS
and caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would
be coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine
too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee
is consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured
you may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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RE: CSConcentrating EIS
Oh, OK, yep yep. Thanks.
N.
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:20:07 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not. There are
lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named caffeine as one
example to show how easy it could be to have a developer in the blood. I
suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would also support the
process in blood independent of any food or drink that is consumed. It would
be an interesting, but time consuming, project to try and find out what
components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is quite
likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My assumption is that
it is highly likely that one or more chemicals present in anyone's blood would
suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS and
caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would be
coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee is
consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured you
may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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