Re: CSMMS and Church

[Dee]

Hi Gail, this is the chap I was talking as out - Daddybob!  He was the guy who 
told me off when I advised caution with MMS but later admitted (to the list) 
that he had serious problems...dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 2 Nov 2014, at 19:02, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jason  group,
 
 In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon.   Those of 
 us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our 
 experience.  Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit.  
 Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er 
 done'  He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they 
 were, but he attributed them to his MMS use.  Others wrote in complaining 
 about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well.  It is something to 
 be aware of that is due attention.
 
 There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the 
 chemistry.   He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different 
 concentration.   I think that was his main difference.  It's been years since 
 this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed.   Anyway, 
 some of the members on the list that were involved with the church were so 
 rude to him.  One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore.   Sorry for the 
 language but wanted to give the direct quote.  Whether  this man was a 
 pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as 
 professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly rude, which 
 was a real turn off to me.  
 
 I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just 
 a person with a chronic illness trying to recover.   But I do know if you 
 have a viable, good product, it will sale itself.  One does not have to use 
 ill manner tactics to make a sale.
 
 I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion 
 regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received 
 graciously.  Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it 
 are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response.   In fact, I 
 think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health 
 problems, the majority are anyway.   And then some are also in some form of 
 alternative business promoting their business.
 
 Regarding Jim and his business:   Anybody who is in an alternative field must 
 abide by the law of the land.  People have been put in jail that I personally 
 don't think deserve to go to jail.   For their own protection, they better 
 abide by the law or get out.
 
 Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to 
 have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me.  I 
 think if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop 
 the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an 
 educated decision much sooner.
 
 Gail
 
 
 On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote:
 
 
 ...I agree Tony.  Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial 
 protocols, and may tried to tell him so.  He not only ignored them, but 
 was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in 
 oxidative therapies.
 
 Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer.
 
 In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the 
 exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well 
 established by extensive research.
 
 ~Jason
 
 
 On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
  Hallo AJR,
 
  Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are 
  alternate or
  complementary healing of one sort or another.
 
  I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me 
  at least 5 weeks
  to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time 
  from the MMS group.
  I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
  after me who
  complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
  chemically
  orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
  physiologically or
  biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
  solution or used a
  different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf 
  bigots surrounding the
  concept.
 
 
 
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Re: CSMMS and Church

[Dee]

Sorry, that should have been 'about' ...dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 3 Nov 2014, at 08:58, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 
 Hi Gail, this is the chap I was talking as out - Daddybob!  He was the guy 
 who told me off when I advised caution with MMS but later admitted (to the 
 list) that he had serious problems...dee
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 2 Nov 2014, at 19:02, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jason  group,
 
 In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon.   Those of 
 us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our 
 experience.  Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit.  
 Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er 
 done'  He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they 
 were, but he attributed them to his MMS use.  Others wrote in complaining 
 about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well.  It is something to 
 be aware of that is due attention.
 
 There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the 
 chemistry.   He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different 
 concentration.   I think that was his main difference.  It's been years 
 since this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed.   
 Anyway, some of the members on the list that were involved with the church 
 were so rude to him.  One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore.   
 Sorry for the language but wanted to give the direct quote.  Whether  this 
 man was a pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came 
 across as professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly 
 rude, which was a real turn off to me.  
 
 I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just 
 a person with a chronic illness trying to recover.   But I do know if you 
 have a viable, good product, it will sale itself.  One does not have to use 
 ill manner tactics to make a sale.
 
 I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion 
 regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received 
 graciously.  Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it 
 are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response.   In fact, 
 I think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health 
 problems, the majority are anyway.   And then some are also in some form of 
 alternative business promoting their business.
 
 Regarding Jim and his business:   Anybody who is in an alternative field 
 must abide by the law of the land.  People have been put in jail that I 
 personally don't think deserve to go to jail.   For their own protection, 
 they better abide by the law or get out.
 
 Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to 
 have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me.  
 I think if people would present their product with plain old manners and 
 stop the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an 
 educated decision much sooner.
 
 Gail
 
 
 On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote:
 
 
 ...I agree Tony.  Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial 
 protocols, and may tried to tell him so.  He not only ignored them, but 
 was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in 
 oxidative therapies.
 
 Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer.
 
 In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the 
 exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well 
 established by extensive research.
 
 ~Jason
 
 
 On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
  Hallo AJR,
 
  Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are 
  alternate or
  complementary healing of one sort or another.
 
  I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me 
  at least 5 weeks
  to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time 
  from the MMS group.
  I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
  after me who
  complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
  chemically
  orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
  physiologically or
  biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
  solution or used a
  different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf 
  bigots surrounding the
  concept.
 
 
 
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Re: CSMMS and Church

[AJR]

Hi Tony,
Thanks for the email..Since you did this protocol you described
there has been quite a change in the way MMS is taken..The protocol
advised to start at one drop or even half a drop for the first number of 
doses in the
protocol and gradually increase it up to not over three drops per hour..if 
you feel
nausea or stomache cramps it usually means that MMS is working by 
eliminating
the virus or bacteria that is causing your troubles..this is the sacrament 
or protocol 1000
in the Church procedure..Here are the procedures you would follow and you 
will not have any
trouble with the procedure..You were going too fast and killing pathogens 
too fast..
Slow down and take it easy..and you will find very few side effects..some 
people were alergic
to the citric acid activator but they have another activator which works 
better in those cases

http://genesis2church.org/mms-protocol-1000
http://genesis2church.org/mms-protocol-read-this-first
anything you want to know is here
http://genesis2church.org
Best Regards
AJR

-Original Message- 
From: Tony Moody

Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church

Hallo AJR,

Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are 
alternate or

complementary healing of one sort or another.

I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me 
at least 5 weeks
to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from 
the MMS group.
I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
after me who
complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
chemically
orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
physiologically or
biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
solution or used a
different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf 
bigots surrounding the

concept.

MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to 
it. That should
be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th 
dose the first few
time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can 
take a heroic
dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the 
whole alt health

movement.

If, instead of V8 bulldosing,  the MMS people could have checked on initial 
discomfort and
then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased 
everybody. This
sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do 
this. I believe it is
called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the 
concepts mentioned in

the manual.

Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in 
my opinion

for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution.

I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, 
several times per
day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the 
stuff up to
coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All 
no problem.I've
done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me 
consistently nauseous;
so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away.  I'm not 
knocking H2O2 , just
can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 
then i would first do
some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go 
on to mild liver
cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, 
then do a series of
liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i 
probably wouldn't

need H2O2 anyway. :-)

Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic 
mixed in to

discourage people from ingesting it?  Could some be coming from say china ??

My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been 
crushed rather

unfairly.

OK,
Tony

On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02,

AJR wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church


Hi Alan
There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was
started in the year  2000 and
there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the
instructions properly..Nothing
is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been
planted on these lists by
Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for
members..These people are easy to spot
as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that
each year in america there are close to
a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also
Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally
with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important
to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night...
They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as
they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver

Re: CSMMS and Church

[AJR]

Hi Alan
There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was started 
in the year  2000 and
there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the instructions 
properly..Nothing
is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been 
planted on these lists by
Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for 
members..These people are easy to spot
as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that each year 
in america there are close to
a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also Doctors are 
the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally
with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important to 
keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night...
They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as they have a 
hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver, MMS, Oxygen therapy,
DMSO, and many others are good protocols.and deserve to be appreciated..Ebola 
is coming and it is not going to be nice.
DEE lets give these protocols a chance as we are going to need them..
AJR


From: Alan Faulkner 
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 6:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church

I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS.  

Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, for 
5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, 
skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be 
offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on 
something or someone is to be a fool. 

Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 
minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed 
yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great relief. 

Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma (Ayurveda) 
or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is that you do 
have to get rid of stuff occasionally. If you have cancer, it took quite awhile 
to get to the point where the cancer showed up, so to dump it quickly may not 
be comfortable.

Now having said that some PPL see the MMS protocols and think h if a 
little is good then a lot is better (typically male) so they consume way too 
much with predictable results.

I doubt that MMS has risks, when used sensibly, because after it kills 
pathogens it changes into a weak salt and then exits the body.

Alan

On 2014-11-01, at 02:36 AM, Dee wrote:

I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously 
done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as 
you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me.  I did 
know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word 
of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an 
extremely bad reaction to it...dee

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote:


  I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which 
would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is 
Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox).


  I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in 
the past: 

  I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could 
potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it with 
what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some of the 
reasons why I would not use it:

  1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with 
other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is 
simply too high for me.

  2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot 
do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be 
effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment)

  3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing 
effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more 
predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective.

  4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in 
that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and 
ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and thus 
have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this too, but 
that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the opposite 
effect.

  5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't 
of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It 
can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is 
purely a 'killing' action, and does

Re: CSMMS and Church

[AJR]

Hi Victor
Can you send me an email with the bad things you know about
MMS and Colloidal Silver..MMS I would like to know and check out
these things from here. I am sure I would find them interesting
Bishop Alvin Rose
Genesis II Church of Health and Healing
ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca


From: Victor Cozzetto 
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church

Alan, Dave,

With all due respect, none of that alleviates my concerns about MMS. The body 
produces many things that could kill us if taken artificially. Dosing, quality 
control, drug interaction, individual tolerance, etc. are still risks that are 
unacceptable for me personally.

I appreciate that many people have success with MMS, but I cannot promote or 
recommend it with what I currently know.

If there was some circumstance where MMS was the best solution for saving or 
improving a life, then I would be on board. This specific information I would 
welcome.

However, I do not want our community to be mislead into thinking that MMS is 
equal to, or an alternative to CS. It is not, and that is why I continue to 
respond to these posts.

Victor

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Tony Moody]

Hallo AJR,

Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or
complementary healing of one sort or another.

I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at 
least 5 weeks
to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from 
the MMS group.
I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
after me who
complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
chemically
orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
physiologically or
biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
solution or used a
different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots 
surrounding the
concept.

MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to 
it. That should
be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th 
dose the first few
time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can 
take a heroic
dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the whole 
alt health
movement.

If, instead of V8 bulldosing,  the MMS people could have checked on initial 
discomfort and
then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased 
everybody. This
sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do 
this. I believe it is
called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the 
concepts mentioned in
the manual.

Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in my 
opinion
for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution.

I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, 
several times per
day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the stuff 
up to
coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All no 
problem.I've
done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me 
consistently nauseous;
so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away.  I'm not 
knocking H2O2 , just
can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 then 
i would first do
some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go on 
to mild liver
cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, 
then do a series of
liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i 
probably wouldn't
need H2O2 anyway. :-)

Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic mixed 
in to
discourage people from ingesting it?  Could some be coming from say china ??

My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been 
crushed rather
unfairly.

OK,
Tony

On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02,

AJR wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church

 Hi Alan
 There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was
 started in the year  2000 and
 there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the
 instructions properly..Nothing
 is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been
 planted on these lists by
 Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for
 members..These people are easy to spot
 as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that
 each year in america there are close to
 a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also
 Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally
 with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important
 to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night...
 They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as
 they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver, MMS, Oxygen therapy,
 DMSO, and many others are good protocols.and deserve to be
 appreciated..Ebola is coming and it is not going to be nice.
 DEE lets give these protocols a chance as we are going to need them..
 AJR


 From: Alan Faulkner
 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 6:49 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church

 I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS.

 Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley
 suggests, for 5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen,
 electrical disruption, skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body
 out, often stuff has to be offloaded. The process of offloading it may
 be unpleasant, but to blame it on something or someone is to be a fool.

 Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about
 5 minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you
 consumed yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was
 a great relief.

 Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma
 (Ayurveda) or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea
 is that you do have

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Jason]

...I agree Tony.  Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial 
protocols, and may tried to tell him so.  He not only ignored them, but 
was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in 
oxidative therapies.


Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer.

In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the 
exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well 
established by extensive research.


~Jason


On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

Hallo AJR,

Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or
complementary healing of one sort or another.

I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at 
least 5 weeks
to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from 
the MMS group.
I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
after me who
complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
chemically
orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
physiologically or
biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
solution or used a
different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots 
surrounding the
concept.




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Re: CSMMS and Church

[Sandra George]

Hi There Tony - I think, what appears to me, not to be clear, in our 
discussions, re carriers for EIS to reach,
or penetrate the encasement of a virus - is how to use them - whether it be 
oxygen therapy, ozone therapy, MSM or MMS matters not, these are only used in 
conjunction with EIS to TRANSPORT it through the defence encasement of a virus 
so it can KILL. I would not use any of them just for the sake of using 
them, however, if for example, I knew Ebola was on the prowl, you bet I would 
use MMS in conjunction with EIS to avoid having this experience.If I knew, 
what I now know, having had the experience of Chickenguyna,
I would have used MMS to avoid this experience - I sincerely hope that one 
cannot get it a second time around, however as it is supposed to reside in the 
body for anywhere from two to four years, I am at the wait and see point with 
this one.
Cheers to all
Sandee
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops  Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com



On 2 Nov 2014, at 13:47, Tony Moody a...@aptech.co.za wrote:

Hallo AJR,

Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate 
or 
complementary healing of one sort or another. 

I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at 
least 5 weeks 
to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from 
the MMS group. 
I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
after me who 
complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
chemically 
orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
physiologically or 
biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
solution or used a 
different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots 
surrounding the 
concept.   

MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to 
it. That should 
be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th 
dose the first few 
time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can 
take a heroic 
dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the whole 
alt health 
movement.  

If, instead of V8 bulldosing,  the MMS people could have checked on initial 
discomfort and 
then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased 
everybody. This 
sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do 
this. I believe it is 
called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the 
concepts mentioned in 
the manual.  

Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in my 
opinion 
for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution. 

I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, 
several times per 
day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the stuff 
up to 
coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All no 
problem.I've 
done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me 
consistently nauseous; 
so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away.  I'm not 
knocking H2O2 , just 
can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 then 
i would first do 
some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go on 
to mild liver 
cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, 
then do a series of 
liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i 
probably wouldn't 
need H2O2 anyway. :-) 

Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic mixed 
in to 
discourage people from ingesting it?  Could some be coming from say china ?? 

My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been 
crushed rather 
unfairly. 

OK,
Tony

On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02, 

AJR wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church

 Hi Alan
 There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was
 started in the year  2000 and
 there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the
 instructions properly..Nothing
 is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been
 planted on these lists by
 Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for
 members..These people are easy to spot
 as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that
 each year in america there are close to
 a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also
 Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally
 with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important
 to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night...
 They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as
 they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver, MMS, Oxygen therapy,
 DMSO, and many

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Gail Naranjo]

Hi Jason  group,
In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon.   Those of us 
on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our experience. 
 Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit.  Anyway his 
personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er done'  He 
started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they were, but he 
attributed them to his MMS use.  Others wrote in complaining about heart 
palpitation after starting the MMS as well.  It is something to be aware of 
that is due attention.
There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the 
chemistry.   He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different concentration. 
  I think that was his main difference.  It's been years since this this 
happened so might not remember exactly how he differed.   Anyway, some of the 
members on the list that were involved with the church were so rude to him.  
One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore.   Sorry for the language but 
wanted to give the direct quote.  Whether  this man was a pharmaceutical rep or 
not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as professional and polite, 
while the church members were blatantly rude, which was a real turn off to me.  
 
I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just a 
person with a chronic illness trying to recover.   But I do know if you have a 
viable, good product, it will sale itself.  One does not have to use ill manner 
tactics to make a sale.
I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion 
regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received 
graciously.  Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it 
are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response.   In fact, I 
think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health 
problems, the majority are anyway.   And then some are also in some form of 
alternative business promoting their business.
Regarding Jim and his business:   Anybody who is in an alternative field must 
abide by the law of the land.  People have been put in jail that I personally 
don't think deserve to go to jail.   For their own protection, they better 
abide by the law or get out.
Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to have 
the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me.  I think 
if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop the 
bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an educated 
decision much sooner.
Gail 

 On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote:
   

 ...I agree Tony.  Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial 
protocols, and may tried to tell him so.  He not only ignored them, but 
was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in 
oxidative therapies.

Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer.

In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the 
exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well 
established by extensive research.

~Jason


On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
 Hallo AJR,

 Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate 
 or
 complementary healing of one sort or another.

 I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at 
 least 5 weeks
 to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from 
 the MMS group.
 I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many 
 after me who
 complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few 
 chemically
 orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening 
 physiologically or
 biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker 
 solution or used a
 different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots 
 surrounding the
 concept.



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Re: CSMMS and Church

[Victor Cozzetto]

Hi AJR,

I imagine the replies from Tony and Jason answer for me as well. And I
think I explained my concerns in my first two posts on the subject.

As for properly homemade Colloidal Silver, I do not know any bad things
about it.

Victor

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM, AJR ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca wrote:

   Hi Victor
 Can you send me an email with the bad things you know about
 MMS and Colloidal Silver..MMS I would like to know and check out
 these things from here. I am sure I would find them interesting
 Bishop Alvin Rose
 Genesis II Church of Health and Healing
 ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca


  *From:* Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:26 PM
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: CSMMS and Church

  Alan, Dave,

 With all due respect, none of that alleviates my concerns about MMS. The
 body produces many things that could kill us if taken artificially. Dosing,
 quality control, drug interaction, individual tolerance, etc. are still
 risks that are unacceptable for me personally.

 I appreciate that many people have success with MMS, but I cannot promote
 or recommend it with what I currently know.

 If there was some circumstance where MMS was the best solution for saving
 or improving a life, then I would be on board. This specific information I
 would welcome.

 However, I do not want our community to be mislead into thinking that MMS
 is equal to, or an alternative to CS. It is not, and that is why I continue
 to respond to these posts.

 Victor

Re: CSMMS and Church

[M.G. Devour]

Victor wrote:
 I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive;
 which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what
 the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my
 outbox).

I just checked my local message folder and indeed, I see nothing from
you except 2 posts today and then stuff on the 23rd and before... and
nothing on any of the MMS related threads.

No clue from here what has been going on with your messages, Victor.

Be well,

Mike D.
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Re: CSMMS and Church

[Dee]

I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously 
done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as 
you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me.  I did 
know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word 
of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an 
extremely bad reaction to it...dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which 
 would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is 
 Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox).
 
 I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in 
 the past:
 
 I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could 
 potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it 
 with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some 
 of the reasons why I would not use it:
 
 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with 
 other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is 
 simply too high for me.
 
 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot 
 do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be 
 effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment)
 
 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing 
 effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more 
 predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective.
 
 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in 
 that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and 
 ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and 
 thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this 
 too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the 
 opposite effect.
 
 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't 
 of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It 
 can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is 
 purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to repair. 
 Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the body's 
 ability to defend and repair.
 
 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s chemical 
 that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the things I am 
 doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other treatments 
 and protocols.
 
 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut 
 problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our 
 immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is used 
 to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, and 
 normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that CS has 
 no negative impact on gut flora).
 
 Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other 
 options are available, but putting that energy into getting CS (or other 
 treatments) is a much better long-term solution IMHO.
 
 Victor

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Da Darrin]

Sodium Chlorite is a chemical the body manufactures to be used by the
immune system to kill offending pathogens. MMS just helps a compromised
system to have enough to do the job. That is totally natural while CS
isn't. CS adds a adjutant to accomplish the same thing.
Silver isn't made by the body, but works.
MMS makes perfect sense.
Dave

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Phil Morrison philmorrison...@gmail.com
wrote:


 MMS makes no sense.

 CS can do naturally anything MMS can do.

 No need to put sick folks at risk, unnecessarily.

 CS is a no-brainer IMHO.



 http://drsircus.com/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2

Re: CSMMS and Church

[moxaman]

Actually I think you are incorrect.  It is hypochlorus acid that is produced by 
the mitochondria in our cells, not sodium chlorite.  HCL is an end product of 
MMS if I’m not mistaken and is a natural part of our immune systems defense 
against pathogens.  Corrections welcome.

From: Da Darrin 
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 8:06 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church

Sodium Chlorite is a chemical the body manufactures to be used by the immune 
system to kill offending pathogens. MMS just helps a compromised system to have 
enough to do the job. That is totally natural while CS isn't. CS adds a 
adjutant to accomplish the same thing.

Silver isn't made by the body, but works.

MMS makes perfect sense.

Dave 


On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Phil Morrison philmorrison...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  MMS makes no sense.   

  CS can do naturally anything MMS can do.   

  No need to put sick folks at risk, unnecessarily.  

  CS is a no-brainer IMHO. 



  http://drsircus.com/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Alan Faulkner]

I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS. 

Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, for 
5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, 
skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be 
offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on 
something or someone is to be a fool. 

Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 
minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed 
yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great relief.

Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma (Ayurveda) 
or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is that you do 
have to get rid of stuff occasionally. If you have cancer, it took quite awhile 
to get to the point where the cancer showed up, so to dump it quickly may not 
be comfortable.

Now having said that some PPL see the MMS protocols and think h if a 
little is good then a lot is better (typically male) so they consume way too 
much with predictable results.

I doubt that MMS has risks, when used sensibly, because after it kills 
pathogens it changes into a weak salt and then exits the body.

Alan

On 2014-11-01, at 02:36 AM, Dee wrote:

I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously 
done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as 
you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me.  I did 
know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word 
of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an 
extremely bad reaction to it...dee

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which 
 would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is 
 Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox).
 
 I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in 
 the past:
 
 I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could 
 potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it 
 with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some 
 of the reasons why I would not use it:
 
 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with 
 other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is 
 simply too high for me.
 
 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot 
 do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be 
 effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment)
 
 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing 
 effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more 
 predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective.
 
 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in 
 that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and 
 ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and 
 thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this 
 too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the 
 opposite effect.
 
 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't 
 of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It 
 can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is 
 purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to repair. 
 Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the body's 
 ability to defend and repair.
 
 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s chemical 
 that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the things I am 
 doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other treatments 
 and protocols.
 
 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut 
 problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our 
 immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is used 
 to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, and 
 normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that CS has 
 no negative impact on gut flora).
 
 Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other 
 options are available, but putting that energy into getting CS (or other 
 treatments) is a much better long-term solution IMHO.
 
 Victor

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Dee]

The person I mentioned allowed for Herxeimer (spelling) for a long period but 
became so Ill he had to stop the MMS and eventually recovered...dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 1 Nov 2014, at 21:19, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS. 
 
 Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, 
 for 5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, 
 skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be 
 offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on 
 something or someone is to be a fool. 
 
 Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 
 minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed 
 yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great 
 relief.
 
 Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma 
 (Ayurveda) or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is 
 that you do have to get rid of stuff occasionally. If you have cancer, it 
 took quite awhile to get to the point where the cancer showed up, so to dump 
 it quickly may not be comfortable.
 
 Now having said that some PPL see the MMS protocols and think h if a 
 little is good then a lot is better (typically male) so they consume way too 
 much with predictable results.
 
 I doubt that MMS has risks, when used sensibly, because after it kills 
 pathogens it changes into a weak salt and then exits the body.
 
 Alan
 
 On 2014-11-01, at 02:36 AM, Dee wrote:
 
 I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has 
 obviously done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be 
 bad, so as you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits 
 for me.  I did know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when 
 I voiced a word of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, 
 because he had an extremely bad reaction to it...dee
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which 
 would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is 
 Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox).
 
 I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in 
 the past:
 
 I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could 
 potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it 
 with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some 
 of the reasons why I would not use it:
 
 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with 
 other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is 
 simply too high for me.
 
 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot 
 do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be 
 effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment)
 
 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing 
 effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more 
 predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective.
 
 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in 
 that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS 
 and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, 
 and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve 
 this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus 
 have the opposite effect.
 
 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't 
 of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It 
 can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it 
 is purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to 
 repair. Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the 
 body's ability to defend and repair.
 
 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s 
 chemical that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the 
 things I am doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other 
 treatments and protocols.
 
 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut 
 problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our 
 immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is 
 used to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, 
 and normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that 
 CS has no negative impact on gut flora).
 
 Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other 
 options are available, but putting that 

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Victor Cozzetto]

Alan, Dave,

With all due respect, none of that alleviates my concerns about MMS. The
body produces many things that could kill us if taken artificially. Dosing,
quality control, drug interaction, individual tolerance, etc. are still
risks that are unacceptable for me personally.

I appreciate that many people have success with MMS, but I cannot promote
or recommend it with what I currently know.

If there was some circumstance where MMS was the best solution for saving
or improving a life, then I would be on board. This specific information I
would welcome.

However, I do not want our community to be mislead into thinking that MMS
is equal to, or an alternative to CS. It is not, and that is why I continue
to respond to these posts.

Victor

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Joe Huard]

The same thing happened to me on 2 occasions very recently, and my post 
about it wasn't noticed by anyone.

Joe
On 2014-11-01 3:13 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:

Victor wrote:

I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive;
which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what
the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my
outbox).

I just checked my local message folder and indeed, I see nothing from
you except 2 posts today and then stuff on the 23rd and before... and
nothing on any of the MMS related threads.

No clue from here what has been going on with your messages, Victor.

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner




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CSMMS and Church

[pal joey]

Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State
relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a
church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the
State, because laws protect  practice of religion. Therefore, stating
what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave
you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.

Re: CSMMS and Church

[AJR]

church is regulated by common law and state is done
by civil and corporate law..They can not be connected
in a court of law without much difficulty..Genesis has its
own legal status system and protection.

From: pal joey 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CSMMS and Church


Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State 
relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a 
church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the 
State, because laws protect  practice of religion. Therefore, stating what 
you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you 
alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.  

RE: CSMMS and Church

[Scott Adams]

To me it’s fraud. It has nothing to do with MMS but speaks to his character. 
Ergo my distrust of him personally.

 

From: pal joey [mailto:ajr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 7:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS and Church

 


Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State 
relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a 
church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the 
State, because laws protect  practice of religion. Therefore, stating what 
you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you 
alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.  

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Dee]

Which I think is all wrong...dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 31 Oct 2014, at 12:52, AJR ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca wrote:
 
 church is regulated by common law and state is done
 by civil and corporate law..They can not be connected
 in a court of law without much difficulty..Genesis has its
 own legal status system and protection.
  
 From: pal joey
 Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:31 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSMMS and Church
  
 
 Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State 
 relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a 
 church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the 
 State, because laws protect  practice of religion. Therefore, stating what 
 you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you 
 alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion. 

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Alan Faulkner]

The basis of this goes way back in history and it has an up side and a downside 
like all human endeavours. 

The church for all of it's obvious flaws has also provided shelter for persons 
who have ben persecuted by the state and or are downtrodden.

However this is way off topic and a subject of another Yahoo group. ; )

Alan


On 2014-10-31, at 08:37 AM, Dee wrote:

Which I think is all wrong...dee

Sent from my iPad

On 31 Oct 2014, at 12:52, AJR ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca wrote:

 church is regulated by common law and state is done
 by civil and corporate law..They can not be connected
 in a court of law without much difficulty..Genesis has its
 own legal status system and protection.
  
 From: pal joey
 Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:31 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSMMS and Church
  
 
 Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State 
 relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a 
 church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the 
 State, because laws protect  practice of religion. Therefore, stating what 
 you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you 
 alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion. 

Re: CSMMS and Church

[yousouf eydatoula]

These comments make me laugh. I find it funny and ironic that Jim Humble used 
the trick of forming a church to mitigate the attacks of big pharma, its pimp 
medical profession and the state. I sense that people think churches are holy 
or sacred. Whether you are christian or muslim or whatever, pls do some 
research and you will find that your church started on a very sordid basis. 
Actually the church of Humble is the most honest of all the churches existent 
today. I have researched the origins of the mainstream churches and I could 
tell you of my findings, but this is not the purpose of this forum. It is about 
CS and other alternative cures. But pls stop showing your ignorance of matters 
you have neglected to research. 



On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:02 AM, pal joey ajr...@gmail.com wrote:
 



Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State 
relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a 
church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the 
State, because laws protect  practice of religion. Therefore, stating what 
you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you 
alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.  

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Phil Morrison]

MMS makes no sense.

CS can do naturally anything MMS can do.

No need to put sick folks at risk, unnecessarily.

CS is a no-brainer IMHO.



http://drsircus.com/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2

Re: CSMMS and Church

[Victor Cozzetto]

I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which
would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is
Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox).

I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others
in the past:

I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could
potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it
with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are
some of the reasons why I would not use it:

1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with
other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is
simply too high for me.

2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS)
cannot do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed
to be effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the
ailment)

3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing
effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more
predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective.

4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in
that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS
and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system,
and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve
this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus
have the opposite effect.

5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't
of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body.
It can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since
it is purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to
repair. Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the
body's ability to defend and repair.

6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s
chemical that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the
things I am doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other
treatments and protocols.

7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut
problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of
our immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and
is used to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the
gut, and normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure
that CS has no negative impact on gut flora).

Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other
options are available, but putting that energy into getting CS (or other
treatments) is a much better long-term solution IMHO.

Victor

CSMMS

[Ron]

Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you 
might as well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you 
are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the 
stuff written was written by Jim Humble himself.

MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
Ron





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Re: CSMMS

[Alan Jones]

If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing
your evidence.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:

  Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
 I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you
 might as well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are
 consuming.
 All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff
 written was written by Jim Humble himself.
 MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
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Re: CSMMS

[Deborah Gerard]

http://www.activatedmineralsolution.com/jim-humble-mms-ams-bleach-accusations/
Big pharmacy is busy... 

 On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:35 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   

 If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing 
your evidence.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:

  Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
 I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you might as 
well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are consuming.
 All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff 
written was written by Jim Humble himself.
 MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
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Re: CSMMS

[Ron]

Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the 
internet both pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble 
was a not what he claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time  
effort.

Ron

On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in 
hearing your evidence.


On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com 
mailto:ron@gmail.com wrote:


Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that
you might as well dink household bleach and in fact that is about
what you are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of
the stuff written was written by Jim Humble himself.
MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
Ron






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[Scott Adams]

I also do not trust Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an official 
religion, making MMS it’s sacrament and him the high priest was the final straw 
for me.

 

 

Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!

www.lyme-resource.com

 

 

From: Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS

 

Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the internet both 
pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble was a not what he 
claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time  effort.
Ron

On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:

If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing 
your evidence.

 

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:

Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you might as 
well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff 
written was written by Jim Humble himself.
MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
Ron




 


 

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[Ron]

I wish I had said that.
Ron

On 10/28/2014 12:09 PM, Scott Adams wrote:


I also do not trust Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an 
official religion, making MMS it’s sacrament and him the high priest 
was the final straw for me.


Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!

www.lyme-resource.com http://www.lyme-resource.com

*From:*Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CSMMS

Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the 
internet both pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that 
Humble was a not what he claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time 
 effort.

Ron

On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:

If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested
in hearing your evidence.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com
mailto:ron@gmail.com wrote:

Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that
you might as well dink household bleach and in fact that is about
what you are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of
the stuff written was written by Jim Humble himself.
MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
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[Gail Naranjo]

He also said he was a god on another planet and came down to save mankind in 
one of his newsletters.
Still I have read peoples' testimonials who did get benefits from MMS, and I 
have some in my own cupboard
The whole church thing is creepy to me tho and I'm a Christian!
Gail 

 On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:10 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com 
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Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an official religion, making MMS it’s 
sacrament and him the high priest was the final straw for me.    Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it 
yet!www.lyme-resource.com    From: Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS  Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find 
on the internet both pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble 
was a not what he claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time  effort.
RonOn 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing 
your evidence.  On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com 
wrote:Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you might as 
well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff 
written was written by Jim Humble himself.
MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
Ron


  
  
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Re: CSMMS

[Sandra George]

An untamed ego is a terrible thing 
Sandee
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
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On 28 Oct 2014, at 16:53, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

He also said he was a god on another planet and came down to save mankind in 
one of his newsletters.

Still I have read peoples' testimonials who did get benefits from MMS, and I 
have some in my own cupboard

The whole church thing is creepy to me tho and I'm a Christian!

Gail


On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:10 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:


I also do not trust Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an official 
religion, making MMS it’s sacrament and him the high priest was the final straw 
for me.
 
 
Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
www.lyme-resource.com
 
 
From: Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS
 
Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the internet both 
pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble was a not what he 
claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time  effort.
Ron
On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing 
your evidence.
 
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:
Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you might as 
well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff 
written was written by Jim Humble himself.
MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
Ron

 
 

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Re: CSMMS

[PT Ferrance]

Have you considered this may have been his way of trying to protect himself 
from persecution?

PT 




 From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: CSMMS
 


I also do not trust Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an official 
religion, making MMS it’s sacrament and him the high priest was the final straw 
for me.
 
 
Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
www.lyme-resource.com
 
 



From:Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS
 
Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the internet both 
pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble was a not what he 
claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time  effort.
Ron
On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing 
your evidence.
 
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:
Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you might as 
well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are consuming.
All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff 
written was written by Jim Humble himself.
MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
Ron


 
 



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Re: CSMMS

[Lena Guyot]

We'd used Closys II toothpaste and mouthwash for years on the recommendation of 
our dentist. It contains stabilized chlorine dioxide and has really been of 
great benefit to our dental health. 
So when I heard about MMS, I was willing to try it based on our experience, and 
did so for a few months, but my instincts very quickly made me recoil from it 
and finally I had to listen. I keep it on hand for a last ditch remedy for what 
horrific pathogen might come our way where nothing else works, but really, I 
listen to my body and it says, NO!, unequivocally.

Be well,
Léna
On Oct 28, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

 He also said he was a god on another planet and came down to save mankind in 
 one of his newsletters.
 
 Still I have read peoples' testimonials who did get benefits from MMS, and I 
 have some in my own cupboard
 
 The whole church thing is creepy to me tho and I'm a Christian!
 
 Gail
 
 
 On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:10 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:
 
 
 I also do not trust Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an official 
 religion, making MMS it’s sacrament and him the high priest was the final 
 straw for me.
  
  
 Scott Adams
 I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
 www.lyme-resource.com
  
  
 From: Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSMMS
  
 Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the internet 
 both pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble was a not 
 what he claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
 All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time  
 effort.
 Ron
 On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
 If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in hearing 
 your evidence.
  
 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:
 Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
 I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you might 
 as well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are 
 consuming.
 All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff 
 written was written by Jim Humble himself.
 MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
 Ron
 
  
  
 
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[Alan Jones]

I don't know if he really ever claimed to be a god from another planet.
Sounds more like a deliberate mis-characterization of the following he
wrote in a newsletter once:

More than 1/2 of all the students that have arrived here have told me, I
believe in MMS, but there is some other reason why I came. I just had to
come. Something made me come. OK, so let me tell you a little more about
the dream. A large group of us, well small group in relation to the number
of people on this planet, lived on another planet, in another galaxy. We
were assembled together at that time in the past. And without getting into
a lot of details we agreed to finally assemble on Earth in the beginning of
the 3rd Millennium for the purpose of creating peace on Earth and in the
Galaxy. The dream included the fact that we were losing our powers and that
they would all be lost by the time we finally arrived on Earth or by the
beginning of the 3rd Millennium. But that was part of the “big plan”. The
Gods on Mount Olympus were the last to lose their powers.

And another Amazing part. These students, are both young and old from
around the world, and although they mostly haven't remembered the dream
like some others have, more than 90% of them have said that they believe in
the dream and they know it is our job to help bring peace to Earth and that
we will be a great part of the peace movement. Part of the dream is as our
emblem says, A world without disease. They have all said that they want
to help and be a part of the Ministers of Health of the Genesis 2 church of
Health and healing.
On Oct 28, 2014 3:53 PM, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He also said he was a god on another planet and came down to save mankind
 in one of his newsletters.

 Still I have read peoples' testimonials who did get benefits from MMS, and
 I have some in my own cupboard

 The whole church thing is creepy to me tho and I'm a Christian!

 Gail


   On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:10 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
 wrote:


 I also do not trust Mr. Humble. His turning his business into an official
 religion, making MMS it’s sacrament and him the high priest was the final
 straw for me.


 Scott Adams
 I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!
 www.lyme-resource.com


 *From:* Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:47 PM
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: CSMMS

 Not accusations. Opinions. I simply read all I could find on the internet
 both pro  con. I evaluated the sources and decided that Humble was a not
 what he claimed to be and that MMS was in fact bleach.
 All of the stuff I read is available to anyone who will spend the time 
 effort.
 Ron
 On 10/28/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Jones wrote:

 If you can support these accusations we'd all be very interested in
 hearing your evidence.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ron ron@gmail.com wrote:
 Some time ago I read a lot about Jim Humble and MMS.
 I decided that he was a co man and MMS was a total fraud and that you
 might as well dink household bleach and in fact that is about what you are
 consuming.
 All of the testimonials were from plants and most or all of the stuff
 written was written by Jim Humble himself.
 MMS is household bleach. Clorox by any other name.
 Ron



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CSMMS testimonials

[Alan Jones]

I know lots of people aren't on board with MMS, but there's some pretty
nice testimonials on this Youtube channel.  I think the newer protocols
they came up with help a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxDVGHL2NMfeature=em-uploademail

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CSMMS

[Kathy Tankersley]

I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.  
Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[anthony . aquifer]

I bought mine from a place called keaveys corner on the net.  I would recommend 
them. Its at family operation out of florida. You can phone them if you have 
questions the number is on the site. 
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

-Original Message-
From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 05:59:04 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS

I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.  
Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[PT Ferrance]

I do believe Renee on this list still sells it.  I've been very happy with my 
purchase from her and she is available to ask questions of!
PT





From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 6:59:04 AM
Subject: CSMMS


I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.  
Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[Renee]

I make and sell it for $10 a bottle, plus a free empty bottle for your
citric acid, and $5 shipping.  You can contact me off list at gaiacita @
gmail.com

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.  
Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy
 

Re: CSMMS

[Bob Banever]

Kathy,

 mmsdr.com  is one.  I've used them and they are great.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 3:59 AM
  Subject: CSMMS


  I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.  
  Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[BW]

I get mine from a man in TX that has really good prices.  Charges for the
shipping not product and he puts out a newsletter.  A four pack which
includes everything is $33 and some change.  He has great testimonies and
puts out a newsletter, too.

Bonnie

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.netwrote:

  I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.
 Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[Kathy Tankersley]

Whats his name/email/ site?
  - Original Message - 
  From: BW 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: CSMMS


  I get mine from a man in TX that has really good prices.  Charges for the 
shipping not product and he puts out a newsletter.  A four pack which includes 
everything is $33 and some change.  He has great testimonies and puts out a 
newsletter, too.

  Bonnie


  On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:

I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.  
Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[cking001]

Get it from Renee.
She's on this list.

Chuck
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 It told me it was none of my business. -- Steven Wright

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 I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.
 Where is the best place to purchase MMS?  Thankis,  Kathy


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Re: CSMMS

[BW]

let me find it and I will send it.

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  Whats his name/email/ site?

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 *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: CSMMS

 I get mine from a man in TX that has really good prices.  Charges for the
 shipping not product and he puts out a newsletter.  A four pack which
 includes everything is $33 and some change.  He has great testimonies and
 puts out a newsletter, too.

 Bonnie

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  I've been reading the posts about MMS, and get Jim Humbles updates.
 Where is the best place to purchase MMS?   Thankis,   Kathy

Re: CSMMS

[Jane MacRoss]

Buy it from Renee - she's on the list!

Jane

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: CSMMS


Get it from Renee.
She's on this list.

Chuck
Yesterday I saw a chicken crossing the road. I asked it why.
It told me it was none of my business. -- Steven Wright

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Re: CSMMS

[Renee]

Thanks, people!  

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSMMS mineral

[Sandra George]

Thanks Tel
Regards
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Re: CSMMS mineral

[Bob Banever]

In addition to MMS look into taking oleander extract (Rose Laurel OPC available 
at Utopia Silver).  Also black salve internally and if you live in a state that 
allows medical marijuana make and take cannabis oil.  Go to phoenixtears.ca for 
all the info.  Good luck.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: zzekel...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: CSMMS mineral


Thats what you want. I used MMS for a couple of years. Never got sick. It 
tastes like a wildcats butt.
Marshall Dudley wrote:MMS is highly alkaline.


  Next question--Where do you get it ? Just found out Jan 14th I have ovarian 
cancer  some more in my abdomen.. I test, with the strips over 8.5 PH.. Due 
for surgery at Roswell in Buffalo next Wed. to have as much as possible 
removed.. Don't want Chemo for the rest. Want to use alternative... 
DMSO--Baking soda---Maple syrup---BS---Lemon juice  honeyAnything but 
Chemo... also CS on the incision. I have heard there is a CS DMSO protocol but 
not sure what it is... Lois

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Christina Mattson]

Have you heard of a product called FrequenSea? My local health food store sells 
it and they said that the key ingredient in it for fighting cancer is the 
Marine Phytoplankton. It also has a lot of minerals and trace elements and 
herbs like Frankincense and Myrhh. The product is expensive but i started 
giving it to my son when he was a baby six weeks before he had to have complete 
AV canal repair to his heart. By the time they opened him up in surgery some 
strings of his own tissue had actually started to grow. The surgeon told me 
that because of that they only had to use one patch and were able to stretch 
his own tissue to repair the rest. 
If nothing else i know Swanson's sells the Marine Phytoplankton and maybe that 
would be a good addition to the MMS. Maybe even some Frankincense and myrhh.

Look here for some info about frequensea:
www.forevergreen.org Once your on the home page click on the red box that says 
health then the blue box at the bottom the next page, there is a hyperlink that 
says Nutrional Analysis and that lists what's in the Marine Phytoplankton and 
somewhere on that site you should be able to find the list of ingredients.
 
 Something else that some people i know in the medical community say is that 
asparagus is very good for fighting and recovering from cancer, maybe try 
juicing it.
 Oxygen to the cells is very important for fighting cancer.
 
I know you need answers quick. I wish you the best.
 
Tina 

 







Next question--Where do you get it ? Just found out Jan 14th I have ovarian 
cancer  some more in my abdomen.. I test, with the strips over 8.5 PH.. Due 
for surgery at Roswell in Buffalo next Wed. to have as much as possible 
removed.. Don't want Chemo for the rest. Want to use alternative... 
DMSO--Baking soda---Maple syrup---BS---Lemon juice  honeyAnything but 
Chemo... also CS on the incision. I have heard there is a CS DMSO protocol but 
not sure what it is... Lois


  

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Marshall Dudley]

MMS is highly alkaline.

Marshall

On 2/2/2011 11:05 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:




Is MMS acidic? It is very good at fighting cancer right?
Thanks Deb

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Sandra George]

Hi There Tel - as I understand it DMSO is a drying agent is this  
correct - where as MSM is not

Regards
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RE: CSMMS mineral or MSM?

[Ron Minnick]

Can you just clarify which one you are really talkling about?   I'm just 
confused.. D
 


Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:34:13 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS mineral


MMS is highly alkaline.

Marshall

On 2/2/2011 11:05 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote: 






















Is MMS acidic? It is very good at fighting cancer right?
Thanks Deb






  

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Patrick Thompson]

Thats what you want. I used MMS for a couple of years. Never got sick.
It tastes like a wildcats butt.


Marshall Dudley wrote:

  
MMS is highly alkaline.
  
Marshall
  
On 2/2/2011 11:05 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
  



  

  
  

  
 



  

   
  


  
  
  Is MMS acidic? It is very good at fighting
cancer right?
  Thanks Deb
  
  


   
  

  


 

  

  
  

  



  
  






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Re: CSMMS mineral

[ZZekelink]

 
Thats  what you want. I used MMS for a couple of years. Never got sick. It 
tastes  like a wildcats butt.
Marshall Dudley wrote:MMS is  highly alkaline.




Next question--Where do you get it ? Just found out  Jan 14th I have 
ovarian cancer  some more in my abdomen.. I test, with the  strips over 8.5 
PH.. 
Due for surgery at Roswell in Buffalo next Wed. to have as  much as possible 
removed.. Don't want Chemo for the rest. Want to use  alternative... 
DMSO--Baking soda---Maple syrup---BS---Lemon juice   honeyAnything but 
Chemo... also CS on the incision. I have heard there is a  CS DMSO protocol but 
not sure what it  is... Lois

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Tel Tofflemire]

Hi Sandra, 
DMSO is not a drying agent, it is asolvant It Prnetrats deep into the tisue 
of 
humans, and livestock. I think the first use the most, was on Rracing and Work, 
Horses. Later the hired hands discovered that their own  hands felt better and 
it took out the stiftness.  Presto, DMSO became very popular  as a rub on pain 
reliver.
Tel Tofflemire




From: Sandra George oha...@juno.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 12:44:39 PM
Subject: Re: CSMMS mineral

Hi There Tel - as I understand it DMSO is a drying agent is this correct - 
where 
as MSM is not
Regards
Sandee
Attitude is everything


  

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Tel Tofflemire]

I get mine at : msm-msm.com
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 12:00:01 PM
Subject: Re: CSMMS mineral

Thatswhat you want. I used MMS for a couple of years. Never got sick. It 
tasteslike a wildcats butt.
Marshall Dudley wrote:MMS ishighly alkaline.


Next question--Where do you get it ? Just found out  Jan 14th I have ovarian 
cancer  some more in my abdomen.. I test, with the  strips over 8.5 PH.. Due 
for surgery at Roswell in Buffalo next Wed. to have as  much as possible 
removed.. Don't want Chemo for the rest. Want to use  alternative... 
DMSO--Baking soda---Maple syrup---BS---Lemon juice   honeyAnything but 
Chemo... also CS on the incision. I have heard there is a  CS DMSO protocol but 
not sure what it  is... Lois


  

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Deborah Gerard]

Tel,
She is asking about MMS, do they sell it on the MSM site?
thanks Deb





From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 10:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: CSMMS mineral


I get mine at : msm-msm.com
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ. 





From: zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 12:00:01 PM
Subject: Re: CSMMS mineral

Thats what you want. I used MMS for a couple of years. Never got sick. It 
tastes 
like a wildcats butt.
Marshall Dudley wrote:    MMS is highly alkaline.


Next question--Where do you get it ? Just found out Jan 14th I have ovarian 
cancer  some more in my abdomen.. I test, with the strips over 8.5 PH.. Due 
for 
surgery at Roswell in Buffalo next Wed. to have as much as possible removed.. 
Don't want Chemo for the rest. Want to use alternative... DMSO--Baking 
soda---Maple syrup---BS---Lemon juice  honeyAnything but Chemo... also CS 
on the incision. I have heard there is a CS DMSO protocol but not sure what it 
is... Lois



  

CSMMS mineral

[Deborah Gerard]

Is MMS acidic? It is very good at fighting cancer right?
Thanks Deb


  

Re: CSMMS mineral

[Tel Tofflemire]

MSM, is taken in capsule for most of the time, in 1000 mg. dose for arthritis , 
and other muscle I Joint pain.  for you information, MSM  DMSO  are nearly the 
same make up, Chemicialy ( allmost )  
 Tel Tofflemire 
Dewey, AZ.





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To: cs silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 9:05:59 PM
Subject: CSMMS mineral


  
Is MMS acidic? It is very good at fighting cancer right?
Thanks Deb 



  

RE: CSMMS

[Tom Poast]

Hello Paul,

MMS is a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution.  People have been using Stabilized
Oxygen since the 1940's by adding it to water without activation.
Stabilized Oxygen is a 3.5% sodium chlorite solution.

Dilute sodium chlorite (what is made when you add small amounts of sodium
chlorite to water) will activate when exposed to stomach acid, but it isn't
a quick reaction.  The theory is that it continues to activate after it
passes through the stomach.

There is debate as to what causes sodium chlorite solutions to work at all.
The chlorine dioxide produced during activation doesn't live for any length
of time inside the body.  I think most of it is used up by the time it hits
the back of your mouth.  This leaves the chlorous acid which breaks down
into chlorite.  If chlorite is what is doing the work, then an un-activated
solution would allow for more chlorite to enter the body.  In rats, the half
life of chlorite is a little over 40 hours, and it collects in all the
organs of the body including the brain.  Since chlorite is a free radical it
could be that this is what is doing the oxidation work.

Activated solutions allow a greater concentration of chlorous acid to enter
the stomach and the chlorous acid is a little more stable.  Un-activated
solutions do not shock the stomach, but only tend to be partially
activated by the stomach acid.  This is an area were more testing is needed
to understand and document what is going on.  This far we only have some
theories.

If you search on stabilized oxygen you can find information on how this
has been used.  Originally, people thought that it supplied the body with
additional oxygen and that is where the name came from.  It actually does
provide the body with a little extra oxygen, but it does this by killing off
the older red blood cells and stimulating the production of new ones.  If
you have a lot of old, infected, and/or dying red blood cells, you will
experience a lift as they get eliminated and new ones take their place.

6 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite (MMS) in 125 ml of water will give you a
concentration of about 380 PPM available chlorine dioxide.  The general dose
of stabilized oxygen for illness is 20 drops of the 3.5% solution in 250
ml of water.  This ends up at a concentration of about 84 PPM available
chlorine dioxide.

Tom

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From: pste...@yahoo.com [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS

Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason
was that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it
this way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this
way

Thx all
Paul
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CSMMS

[psteel5]

Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was 
that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this 
way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way

Thx all
Paul
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Re: CSMMS - Not ACtivated.

[Steve G]

Hi,

I take mms without activating it and find it's much easier to take.  My wife 
activates hers before she takes it because she is on ant-acid medications and 
figures she might not have any stomach acid to speak of and wants to be sure 
it's effective.

Steve

--- On Fri, 10/15/10, pste...@yahoo.com pste...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was 
that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this 
way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way

Thx all
Paul
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Re: CSMMS - Not ACtivated.

[psteel5]

Thx steve. Much appreciated
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:20:36 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS - Not ACtivated.

Hi,

I take mms without activating it and find it's much easier to take.  My wife 
activates hers before she takes it because she is on ant-acid medications and 
figures she might not have any stomach acid to speak of and wants to be sure 
it's effective.

Steve

--- On Fri, 10/15/10, pste...@yahoo.com pste...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was 
that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this 
way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way

Thx all
Paul
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RE: CSMMS email received today

[SJY]

Renee,

Just for your information, A2Z corp (mmsdr.com) sold me 1 pound of Sodium
Chlorite flakes for $25 plus shipping.  Shipping was by Priority Mail, so
they don't use ground transportation.  They include directions for making 1
4 oz bottle, as well as making 40 oz with the entire 1 pound, of 28%
solution which they call water purification drops.

Steve Young

 

  _  

From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:53 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today

 


Well, I still sell it.  I'm too small to be noticed, plus I don't have a web
site.  It's just word of mouth.

 

It's $10 for a 4 ounce bottle of MMS, and an extra empty bottle for your
activator.

 

It's $7 actual shipping for express mail.

 

Samala,

Renee 

 

 

 



 

 

 

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RE: CSMMS biofilms

[Tom Poast]

Hello PT,

 

Sodium chlorite solutions are very effective both in cleaning up biofilm and
keeping it from reforming.  The range of applications runs from dental
irrigation water, to greenhouse water, to heating systems, to cooling
towers, to humidifiers, to piping, to emergency water storage, to smelly
washer syndrome, etc.  In many cases a shock dose of 25 - 50 PPM is sent
through the system in order to break up the biofilm, then the concentration
is dropped to 0.25 - 1.0 PPM depending upon the application.  In some
saltwater aquariums, the level is kept below 0.04 PPM because I believe some
shrimp larva can be killed if the concentration exceeds that.  In freshwater
aquariums the concentration varies depending upon the species of fish, but
is usually in the 1 - 3 PPM range.  Also, ORP is used together with sodium
chlorite solutions to keep the biofilm down in the tank.

 

In general, chlorine dioxide penetrates the biofilm layer and changes to
chlorite.  As the bacteria grows, the chlorite is transformed back to
chlorine dioxide and that kills off the bacteria.  This goes on until the
biofilm has been eliminated, then the reaction goes on to chloride and the
chemical is washed out of the system.

 

What is your application?

 

Tom

 

 

 

From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMMS  biofilms

 

Hi,

Is there anyone who knows anything about how MMS affects biofilms?  Would
appreciate your insights, especially if you have had first hand experience.

Thanks.

PT

 

 

CSMMS biofilms

[needling around]

Hi,
Is there anyone who knows anything about how MMS affects biofilms?  Would 
appreciate your insights, especially if you have had first hand experience.
Thanks.
PT

Re: CSMMS biofilms

[jenny goodhealth]

I read somewhere online that MMS1 breaks opne the biofilms.  Google it. 
 
jen

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote:


From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Subject: CSMMS  biofilms
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 5:29 PM





Hi,
Is there anyone who knows anything about how MMS affects biofilms?  Would 
appreciate your insights, especially if you have had first hand experience.
Thanks.
PT
 
 


  

Re: CSMMS biofilms

[Sandy]

Hi PT,

Here is a discussion about it on curezone...

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1436646

Best regards,
Sandy

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote:

From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Subject: CSMMS  biofilms
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 7:29 PM



 
 

Hi,
Is there anyone who knows anything about how MMS affects 
biofilms?  Would appreciate your insights, especially if you have had first 
hand experience.
Thanks.
PT
 
 


  

Re: CSMMS biofilms

[Paul Steel]

I know someone that did real well using mms for lyme..also he didnt activate 
it...he said the stomach acid would activate it and doing it this way was also 
much eaiser on the stomach
 
Paul Steel
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From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 9:53:34 PM
Subject: Re: CSMMS  biofilms


Hi PT,

Here is a discussion about it on curezone...

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1436646

Best regards,
Sandy

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote:


From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Subject: CSMMS  biofilms
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 7:29 PM


Hi,
Is there anyone who knows anything about how MMS affects biofilms?  Would 
appreciate your insights, especially if you have had first hand experience.
Thanks.
PT
 
 

RE: CSMMS email received today

[Ode Coyote]

 Also what no one seems to know is that a Zapper produces Hypochlorous 
Acid  AND ...it's antidote, Sodium Hydroxide out of the salt in blood.
 Site specific application of germ and parasite killer , inherent 
neutralization back to salt when the two find each other 
later...and...continuous dose control.


Plus, you don't have to buy or mix anything and hope it wasn't too much 
while you wait to vomit.


Ode


At 04:40 PM 8/19/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Aahh, Tom to my rescue.  Marshall, I knew I couldn't explain it to you, 
though I've read it before from Tom's writing on the other list.  So I'm 
very glad Tom is able to discuss this here.


Samala,
Renee




---Original Message---


Hello Marshall,

You are correct in that the concentration of chlorous acid is dependent upon
the PH of the final solution, but the break down actually takes place over
several hours.  There is no method of measuring chlorine dioxide in the
blood, because it doesn't last long enough to make it into the blood stream.
Chlorite can be measured, and it does make it into the blood stream, along
with all the organs of the body.

The overlooked factor is the chlorous acid.




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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

Hey Bob.  Tom, the chemist, is here on the list.  YOU tell him.  

I think that the key word here is BREAKS DOWN.  Wait, that's 2 words. 
Anyway--it (AMMS) makes chlorine dioxide, which eventually winds up as salt.
 The mix of AMMS also produces chlorous acid and something else, besides
chlorine. 

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
 Please tell this chemist that there is NO chlorine in chlorine
dioxide.  It breaks down into salt (sodium chloride) and water in the body. 

 
 happy.gif

RE: CSMMS email received today

[Lisa]

Hi Renee,

I'm familiar with the MMS protocol but it's been awhile. Can you explain in
more detail (or please send a link) to the NEW dosing schedule? I'd like
to have it on hand in case I ever need it again.

Thx.
Lisa

  _  

From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today

 


There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim Humble.
There is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says that the vomiting
and diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim says is actually from
chlorine poisoning rather than overload of die-off.  He advocates (and uses)
a 5% strength of sodium chlorite rather than the 28% MMS.  

 

 

[trimmed text]

 



 

 

 

RE: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

The new Humble protocol is simply 2 to 3 drops, activated, every 2 hours. 
This helps bypass the nausea.  It's because Jim was finally convinced by the
chemists and scientists that chlorine dioxide does NOT last 12 hours in the
body.  They still say it only lasts a few minutes and he insists a few hours
  Still, the smaller amount is easier on the body, and because it doesn't
last so long in the body, keeping it in there every couple hours does help.

There's a bath protocol too.  I'd have to go searching for the link, but if
you Google Humble's site, all his info on the new protocols is there.

Then of course there is the 5% solution that is causing such a ruckus on the
MMS list, because the people that have been cured with Jim's original
protocol, and the ones doing his new protocol, believe the 5% won't work at
all and therefore anyone that even suggests this method is either 1) doing a
huge disservice to everyone and/or 2) killing people because it won't work
and they could have been saved by the original method.  shrug  it becomes
a personal choice after investigation.  I believe there's room for all of it
 but I seem to be in the minority.  People are taking sides and shooting at
each other across the fence over on that list.  Lol

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
I’m familiar with the MMS protocol but it’s been awhile. Can you explain in 
more detail (or please send a link) to the “NEW” dosing schedule? I’d like to 
have it on hand in case I ever need it again.

RE: CSMMS email received today

[Tom Poast]

Hello Marshall,

You are correct in that the concentration of chlorous acid is dependent upon
the PH of the final solution, but the break down actually takes place over
several hours.  There is no method of measuring chlorine dioxide in the
blood, because it doesn't last long enough to make it into the blood stream.
Chlorite can be measured, and it does make it into the blood stream, along
with all the organs of the body.  

The overlooked factor is the chlorous acid.

Chlorous acid is a biostat.  It can result in a 1/2 - 1 log reduction in
pathogens, but its intended use is to stabilize the growth of pathogens.
Chlorine dioxide, on the other hand, is a biocide that is capable of a 5 - 6
log reduction of pathogens.  Since chlorine dioxide is almost immediately
converted to chlorite, it may be the chlorite that is doing the work...

Chlorous acid has been studied on meat and poultry carcasses, but not in
humans.  The concentration of chlorous acid is limited to the amount that
doesn't cause bleaching.  Animal studies seem to indicate that about 70% of
the chlorine dioxide breaks down to chlorite, about 30% of a dose is
absorbed into the body, and the half life of chlorite is a little over 40
hours.  The chlorite is mostly eliminated through urine.  I believe the
absorption relates both to chlorite from chlorine dioxide and chlorite from
sodium chlorite.  

When sodium chlorite is activated by the stomach acid, it allows a higher
percentage of the solution to be available to be absorbed.  When you
activate it before taking it, some of the available chlorine dioxide is
released as free chlorine dioxide which leaves less available chlorine
dioxide in the solution.  If the problem is up high in the GI tract,
activation before ingestion makes sense.  However, if the problem is lower,
activation within the stomach may deliver more to the problem area.

Chlorous acid has been studied and successfully used in oral health
products, unactivated.  This, along with the successes of the so called
stabilized oxygen products, leads me to think that there may actually be
something going on when you circulate sodium chlorite in the body and let it
activate inside.  

I am not sure this process will ever be formally studied because of the
effect of chlorite on blood cells, but there is always hope.

Tom

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today

Renee wrote:
 Dunno, but there certainly is a difference in the amount of chlorine 
 in the activated MMS, smell and taste wise.  You'd have to talk to Tom 
 for more facts about amounts and such.  And mostly Tom does not 
 advocate activating it externally either, as he says there's enough 
 stomach acid to activate it.  Certainly makes taking it much easier 
 that way--although you can also use full strength drops this way too.

There is plenty of stomach acid to activate it.  That is not why it is 
activated externally. The reason is the speed of activation.  If you do 
not activate it initially the level builds up slowly over an extended 
period of time, and reaches a rather low peak.  This might be 
insufficient to kill what you are taking it for.  By external 
activation, the build up is rapid, the peak high, and the overall 
duration rather short.

Chemically here is what happens:

Sodium chlorite reacts with acid and produces chlorus acid.  Chlorus 
acid breaks down at a rate proportional to its concentration to chlorine 
dioxide.  That is, if it is concentrated in a teaspoon of liquid, most 
of it will convert in the next 5 or so minutes.  If it is in a dilute 
solution, such as 8 oz of water, or stomach acid, the rate is much 
slower, something like a couple of hours.  Comparing the blood 
concentration of chlorine dioxide between these two for the MMS you will 
see a sudden rise to a significant level, followed very quickly by a 
drop off to almost nothing.  If you take the sodium chlorite directly 
the build up in the blood will be over an hour, and it will stay at the 
peak for several hours, but the peak will be much smaller than the 
maximum with the MMS.  The difference is like comparing putting 70% 
alcohol on an infection for a minute, or a dilute solution of .1% 
alcohol on it for several hours.  It is quite likely that the latter 
would not have any affect at all..

Marshall


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RE: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

Aahh, Tom to my rescue.  Marshall, I knew I couldn't explain it to you,
though I've read it before from Tom's writing on the other list.  So I'm
very glad Tom is able to discuss this here.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
Hello Marshall,
 
You are correct in that the concentration of chlorous acid is dependent upon
the PH of the final solution, but the break down actually takes place over
several hours.  There is no method of measuring chlorine dioxide in the
blood, because it doesn't last long enough to make it into the blood stream.
Chlorite can be measured, and it does make it into the blood stream, along
with all the organs of the body.
 
The overlooked factor is the chlorous acid.
 

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Bob Banever]

Pam,

Unless there is something wrong with this particular lot or solution I 
think this recall is being done because the FDA has scared the company into 
doing this.  I have used MMS for the last two years on and off with no side 
effects whatsoever other than to rid myself of some cold and flu germs 
within two days.   Perhaps this particular lot is too strong or is 
contaminated I don't know, but MMS is and can be a lifesaver.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Pam Wanveer woods...@hers.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: CSMMS email received today


Hi, I received this email today.  Has anyone gotten one of these and/ or 
have any

insight?  I guess this is off topic, sorry.
Thanks, Pam




URGENT: MMS Product Recall Notice

Dear Customer,

You are receiving this email because our records indicate you may  have 
purchased a product called MMS from our company at some time  in the 
past.


Following discussion with FDA officials, Project GreenLife is  effecting 
an immediate voluntary recall of its sodium chlorite  solution product 
labeled MMS Professional - Miracle Mineral  Solution - Premium Water 
Purification Drops.


Questions and answers on voluntary recall of Project GreenLife's  sodium 
chlorite product:


Q. What products are affected by this recall?

A. Sodium chlorite solution, labeled as MMS Professional - Miracle 
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A. Quit selling this product and inform anyone you have sold this 
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A. The FDA recommends that consumers stop using this product.   Further 
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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Bob Banever]

Renee,

 Please tell this chemist that there is NO chlorine in chlorine dioxide.  
It breaks down into salt (sodium chloride) and water in the body.  

 Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today


There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim Humble. 
 There is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says that the vomiting 
and diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim says is actually from 
chlorine poisoning rather than overload of die-off.  He advocates (and uses) a 
5% strength of sodium chlorite rather than the 28% MMS.  

There are those that have followed Jim's protocol and claim they've 
gotten their normal lives back after years of illness, and those that say he 
saved my life and so they are vehement against the chemist's gentler, safer 
protocol.  Though he doesn't belong to the list, Jim came on to debate Tom and 
wound up looking bad (as in he could only defend himself by repeating 'I've 
given this to thousands of people and therefor it is safe').

Then there are those like me who go--if I had something really serious 
I was trying to kill I'd use Jim's (new) protocol--which, by the way, he 
changed from his original protocol because he finally had to admit, without 
actually admitting, that he did not understand the chemistry of sodium 
chlorite, nor what it does in the body, nor how long it is actually IN the 
body--of a few drops every few hours.  BUT--for anything less serious I would 
certainly use the much safer 5% method the chemist recommends.  As he says--it 
does the same thing as Jim's method, it just takes longer.  

There are situations where you don't mind it taking longer and then 
there are situations where you want it to be gone NOW.  So I feel there is room 
for both.  Jim, on the other hand, really hates anyone who tries to say his 
protocols aren't THE end to all illnesses.

I've been using MMS since the web first heard about it, as MMS.  Sodium 
chlorite, of course, has been used for decades before Jim brought it to public 
attention, with his own 'discovered' method.  

So you pretty much have to read both sides and choose for yourself.  
Sodium chlorite as MMS has always been a product of extremes.  It does one 
thing for this person and the exact opposite for the next person, in every body 
response reported from MMS users.  I've been on 2 MMS lists (one now defunct) 
for at least 3 years now and have 'seen it all'.   MMS is an amazing thing, but 
it is MEDICINE, and should be handled with safety.  Jim doesn't believe that 
there is anything at all unsafe about it.  I know differently, but Jim refuses 
to acknowledge that.  shrug

Samala,
Renee




---Original Message---


Hi there, I've been seeing this on the MMS list.  Project Greenlife are 
recalling MMS due to FDA 'pressure'/advice.   It is on their website


http://www.projectgreenlife.com 


They no longer sell MMS according to their site.

   
  
   

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Alan Jones]

Thanks for sharing this.  Which list are you referring to below?

Alan

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

 There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim
 Humble.  There is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says that the
 vomiting and diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim says is
 actually from chlorine poisoning rather than overload of die-off.  He
 advocates (and uses) a 5% strength of sodium chlorite rather than the
 28% MMS.



-- 
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prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people.  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Marshall Dudley]

Something does not compute about this.  Hubble's protocol has one drink 
a solution with no more than about 4/1000% of sodium chlorite in it. 
Whether one starts with 5% or 28% solution before diluting it should 
make no difference.


Marshall

Renee wrote:
There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim 
Humble.  There is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says 
that the vomiting and diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim 
says is actually from chlorine poisoning rather than overload of 
die-off.  He advocates (and uses) a 5% strength of sodium chlorite 
rather than the 28% MMS. 
 
There are those that have followed Jim's protocol and claim they've 
gotten their normal lives back after years of illness, and those that 
say he saved my life and so they are vehement against the chemist's 
gentler, safer protocol.  Though he doesn't belong to the list, Jim 
came on to debate Tom and wound up looking bad (as in he could only 
defend himself by repeating 'I've given this to thousands of people 
and therefor it is safe').
 
Then there are those like me who go--if I had something really serious 
I was trying to kill I'd use Jim's (new) protocol--which, by the way, 
he changed from his original protocol because he finally had to admit, 
without actually admitting, that he did not understand the chemistry 
of sodium chlorite, nor what it does in the body, nor how long it is 
actually IN the body--of a few drops every few hours.  BUT--for 
anything less serious I would certainly use the much safer 5% method 
the chemist recommends.  As he says--it does the same thing as Jim's 
method, it just takes longer. 
 
There are situations where you don't mind it taking longer and then 
there are situations where you want it to be gone NOW.  So I feel 
there is room for both.  Jim, on the other hand, really hates anyone 
who tries to say his protocols aren't THE end to all illnesses.
 
I've been using MMS since the web first heard about it, as MMS.  
Sodium chlorite, of course, has been used for decades before Jim 
brought it to public attention, with his own 'discovered' method. 
 
So you pretty much have to read both sides and choose for yourself.  
Sodium chlorite as MMS has always been a product of extremes.  It does 
one thing for this person and the exact opposite for the next person, 
in every body response reported from MMS users.  I've been on 2 MMS 
lists (one now defunct) for at least 3 years now and have 'seen it 
all'.   MMS is an amazing thing, but it is MEDICINE, and should be 
handled with safety.  Jim doesn't believe that there is anything at 
all unsafe about it.  I know differently, but Jim refuses to 
acknowledge that.  shrug
 
Samala,

Renee
 
 
 
 
/---Original Message---/
 
 
Hi there, I've been seeing this on the MMS list.  Project Greenlife 
are recalling MMS due to FDA 'pressure'/advice.   It is on their website


http://www.projectgreenlife.com 


They no longer sell MMS according to their site.







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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Dan Nave]

It's the total amount ingested, not the strength of the solution that
is important.

Dan

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
 Something does not compute about this.  Hubble's protocol has one drink a
 solution with no more than about 4/1000% of sodium chlorite in it. Whether
 one starts with 5% or 28% solution before diluting it should make no
 difference.

 Marshall

 Renee wrote:

 There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim Humble.
  There is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says that the
 vomiting and diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim says is
 actually from chlorine poisoning rather than overload of die-off.  He
 advocates (and uses) a 5% strength of sodium chlorite rather than the 28%
 MMS.  There are those that have followed Jim's protocol and claim they've
 gotten their normal lives back after years of illness, and those that say
 he saved my life and so they are vehement against the chemist's gentler,
 safer protocol.  Though he doesn't belong to the list, Jim came on to debate
 Tom and wound up looking bad (as in he could only defend himself by
 repeating 'I've given this to thousands of people and therefor it is safe').
  Then there are those like me who go--if I had something really serious I
 was trying to kill I'd use Jim's (new) protocol--which, by the way, he
 changed from his original protocol because he finally had to admit, without
 actually admitting, that he did not understand the chemistry of sodium
 chlorite, nor what it does in the body, nor how long it is actually IN the
 body--of a few drops every few hours.  BUT--for anything less serious I
 would certainly use the much safer 5% method the chemist recommends.  As he
 says--it does the same thing as Jim's method, it just takes longer.  There
 are situations where you don't mind it taking longer and then there are
 situations where you want it to be gone NOW.  So I feel there is room for
 both.  Jim, on the other hand, really hates anyone who tries to say his
 protocols aren't THE end to all illnesses.
  I've been using MMS since the web first heard about it, as MMS.  Sodium
 chlorite, of course, has been used for decades before Jim brought it to
 public attention, with his own 'discovered' method.  So you pretty much have
 to read both sides and choose for yourself.  Sodium chlorite as MMS has
 always been a product of extremes.  It does one thing for this person and
 the exact opposite for the next person, in every body response reported from
 MMS users.  I've been on 2 MMS lists (one now defunct) for at least 3 years
 now and have 'seen it all'.   MMS is an amazing thing, but it is MEDICINE,
 and should be handled with safety.  Jim doesn't believe that there is
 anything at all unsafe about it.  I know differently, but Jim refuses to
 acknowledge that.  shrug
  Samala,
 Renee
    /---Original Message---/
  Hi there, I've been seeing this on the MMS list.  Project Greenlife are
 recalling MMS due to FDA 'pressure'/advice.   It is on their website

 http://www.projectgreenlife.com
 They no longer sell MMS according to their site.






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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

Dunno, but there certainly is a difference in the amount of chlorine in the
activated MMS, smell and taste wise.  You'd have to talk to Tom for more
facts about amounts and such.  And mostly Tom does not advocate activating
it externally either, as he says there's enough stomach acid to activate it.
 Certainly makes taking it much easier that way--although you can also use
full strength drops this way too.  

I just find the 5% a much safer, easier to handle method, especially for
those that seem to be sensitive to the AMMS.  The ones that don't do well on
that have much better luck on the 5%.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
---Original Message---
 Something does not compute about this.  Hubble's protocol has one drink
a solution with no more than about 4/1000% of sodium chlorite in it.
Whether one starts with 5% or 28% solution before diluting it should
make no difference.
 

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/miracle_mineral_supplement/

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
Thanks for sharing this.  Which list are you referring to below?

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
I really like your seeing both sides, for that is my way... Thank you.happy.gif

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Marshall Dudley]

Renee wrote:
Dunno, but there certainly is a difference in the amount of chlorine 
in the activated MMS, smell and taste wise.  You'd have to talk to Tom 
for more facts about amounts and such.  And mostly Tom does not 
advocate activating it externally either, as he says there's enough 
stomach acid to activate it.  Certainly makes taking it much easier 
that way--although you can also use full strength drops this way too.


There is plenty of stomach acid to activate it.  That is not why it is 
activated externally. The reason is the speed of activation.  If you do 
not activate it initially the level builds up slowly over an extended 
period of time, and reaches a rather low peak.  This might be 
insufficient to kill what you are taking it for.  By external 
activation, the build up is rapid, the peak high, and the overall 
duration rather short.


Chemically here is what happens:

Sodium chlorite reacts with acid and produces chlorus acid.  Chlorus 
acid breaks down at a rate proportional to its concentration to chlorine 
dioxide.  That is, if it is concentrated in a teaspoon of liquid, most 
of it will convert in the next 5 or so minutes.  If it is in a dilute 
solution, such as 8 oz of water, or stomach acid, the rate is much 
slower, something like a couple of hours.  Comparing the blood 
concentration of chlorine dioxide between these two for the MMS you will 
see a sudden rise to a significant level, followed very quickly by a 
drop off to almost nothing.  If you take the sodium chlorite directly 
the build up in the blood will be over an hour, and it will stay at the 
peak for several hours, but the peak will be much smaller than the 
maximum with the MMS.  The difference is like comparing putting 70% 
alcohol on an infection for a minute, or a dilute solution of .1% 
alcohol on it for several hours.  It is quite likely that the latter 
would not have any affect at all..


Marshall
 
I just find the 5% a much safer, easier to handle method, especially 
for those that seem to be sensitive to the AMMS.  The ones that don't 
do well on that have much better luck on the 5%.
 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 
/---Original Message---/

 Something does not compute about this.  Hubble's protocol has one drink
a solution with no more than about 4/1000% of sodium chlorite in it.
Whether one starts with 5% or 28% solution before diluting it should
make no difference.
 







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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Marshall Dudley]

If the FDA is requiring a recall, then it must work too well.

Marshall

Pam Wanveer wrote:
Hi, I received this email today.  Has anyone gotten one of these 
and/or have any

insight?  I guess this is off topic, sorry.
Thanks, Pam




URGENT: MMS Product Recall Notice

Dear Customer,

You are receiving this email because our records indicate you may 
have purchased a product called MMS from our company at some time 
in the past.


Following discussion with FDA officials, Project GreenLife is 
effecting an immediate voluntary recall of its sodium chlorite 
solution product labeled MMS Professional - Miracle Mineral Solution 
- Premium Water Purification Drops.


Questions and answers on voluntary recall of Project GreenLife's 
sodium chlorite product:


Q. What products are affected by this recall?

A. Sodium chlorite solution, labeled as MMS Professional - Miracle 
Mineral Solution - Premium Water Purification Drops distributed by 
PGL International, LLC.  This product comes in a 4 oz green plastic 
bottle..  This recall is for all lot numbers.


Q. Why was this product recalled?

A. PGL International, LLC is initiating this voluntary recall because 
of safety concerns raised by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 
regards to chlorine dioxide.  As a precautionary measure, the company 
is recalling all sodium chlorite product, effective August 13, 2010.


Q. What should I do if I resell or have ever resold this product?

A. Quit selling this product and inform anyone you have sold this 
product to in the past by sending them a copy of this recall 
communication..


Q. What should I do if I have some of this product?

A. The FDA recommends that consumers stop using this product.  
Further distribution or use of any remaining product should cease 
immediately..  If you have any unused product, you may seal the 
container and return it to the address provided below.  Shipping 
account information will be provided upon request.  PGL will work 
with all customers to make them whole.


If you have any questions or comments, please email

rec...@projectgreenlife.com

.

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Re: CSMMS email received today

[needling around]

So hold onto whatever you have... and maybe even buy a little more!!!
PT

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today



If the FDA is requiring a recall, then it must work too well.

Marshall

Pam Wanveer wrote:
Hi, I received this email today.  Has anyone gotten one of these and/or 
have any

insight?  I guess this is off topic, sorry.
Thanks, Pam




URGENT: MMS Product Recall Notice

Dear Customer,

You are receiving this email because our records indicate you may have 
purchased a product called MMS from our company at some time in the 
past.


Following discussion with FDA officials, Project GreenLife is effecting 
an immediate voluntary recall of its sodium chlorite solution product 
labeled MMS Professional - Miracle Mineral Solution - Premium Water 
Purification Drops.


Questions and answers on voluntary recall of Project GreenLife's sodium 
chlorite product:


Q. What products are affected by this recall?

A. Sodium chlorite solution, labeled as MMS Professional - Miracle 
Mineral Solution - Premium Water Purification Drops distributed by PGL 
International, LLC.  This product comes in a 4 oz green plastic bottle.. 
This recall is for all lot numbers.


Q. Why was this product recalled?

A. PGL International, LLC is initiating this voluntary recall because of 
safety concerns raised by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 
regards to chlorine dioxide.  As a precautionary measure, the company is 
recalling all sodium chlorite product, effective August 13, 2010.


Q. What should I do if I resell or have ever resold this product?

A. Quit selling this product and inform anyone you have sold this 
product to in the past by sending them a copy of this recall 
communication..


Q. What should I do if I have some of this product?

A. The FDA recommends that consumers stop using this product.  Further 
distribution or use of any remaining product should cease immediately.. 
If you have any unused product, you may seal the container and return it 
to the address provided below.  Shipping account information will be 
provided upon request.  PGL will work with all customers to make them 
whole.


If you have any questions or comments, please email

rec...@projectgreenlife.com

.

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2533 N Carson St Ste 1991
Carson City, NV 89706
www.projectgreenlife.com
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Re: CSMMS email received today

[craehow...@juno.com]

Pam Wanveer wrote:
 Hi, I received this email today.  Has anyone gotten one of these and/or 
 have any
 insight?  I guess this is off topic, sorry.
 Thanks, Pam

Reference your message regarding the MMS Recall... I just spoke with an 
individual at Global Light regarding this issue; their comments was that 
another distributer was visited by the FDA and strongly encouraged to put out a 
volunteer recall warning to anyone they may have sold MMS to...  he also 
indicated they no longer post this product on the web page after next week may  
 not even carry it.So that is the jest of the recall.
 
 
R

 URGENT: MMS Product Recall Notice

 Dear Customer,

 You are receiving this email because our records indicate you may have 
 purchased a product called MMS from our company at some time in 
the 
 past.

 Following discussion with FDA

Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance
If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
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Re: CSMMS Where is the best place to get some ??

[ZZekelink]

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

Well, I still sell it.  I'm too small to be noticed, plus I don't have a web
site.  It's just word of mouth.

It's $10 for a 4 ounce bottle of MMS, and an extra empty bottle for your
activator.

It's $7 actual shipping for express mail.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 

Re: CSMMS email received today

[M. G. Devour]

And next time Renee will remember to *ask* me first before posting a 
fer-sale item! grin

Be well,

Mike D.


 Well, I still sell it.  I'm too small to be noticed, plus I don't have a
 web site.  It's just word of mouth.
 
 It's $10 for a 4 ounce bottle of MMS, and an extra empty bottle for your
 activator.
 
 It's $7 actual shipping for express mail.
 
 Samala,
 Renee 
 
 

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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

Oh crap!  Sorry Mike.  I wasn't thinking.  I saw a post where someone
said--where is a good place to buy MMS and I deleted it, and the next one
mentioned about GL not selling so I thought I'd offer up my stuff.  It
probably wasn't even the same list, I just wasn't paying attention.  Rats.

Sorry.

Samala,
Renee--hanging head  
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
And next time Renee will remember to *ask* me first before posting a
fer-sale item! grin
 

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Sunny]

Hi there, I've been seeing this on the MMS list.  Project Greenlife are 
recalling MMS due to FDA 'pressure'/advice.   It is on their website

http://www.projectgreenlife.com 

They no longer sell MMS according to their site.

I have used and still do use MMS.  This article offers another side of the MMS 
argument.   I don't want it to be dangerous.. and I must check out all material 
I can... as we all should.

http://www.sott.net/signs/list_by_category/7-Health-Wellness?page=5


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide
 


Humble responded to this article..

and this is an article on the church that Jim Humble belongs to.. of which he 
is 
an ordained Bishop...

http://www.originalchurch.org/apostolic-succession/apostolic-succession.htm

I am confused... and also concerned...

At least the only thing they've pulled against CS is the agryia [not spelt 
right?] and that's only after excess..and all the naysayers haven't much to say 
other than it doesn't work... 

grr


 
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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:31:42 AM
Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today

If the FDA is requiring a recall, then it must work too well.

Marshall

Pam Wanveer wrote:
 Hi, I received this email today.  Has anyone gotten one of these and/or have 
any
 insight?  I guess this is off topic, sorry.
 Thanks, Pam
 
 
 
 URGENT: MMS Product Recall Notice
 
 Dear Customer,
 
 You are receiving this email because our records indicate you may have 
purchased a product called MMS from our company at some time in the past.
 
 Following discussion with FDA officials, Project GreenLife is effecting an 
immediate voluntary recall of its sodium chlorite solution product labeled 
MMS 
Professional - Miracle Mineral Solution - Premium Water Purification Drops.
 
 Questions and answers on voluntary recall of Project GreenLife's sodium 
chlorite product:
 
 Q. What products are affected by this recall?
 
 A. Sodium chlorite solution, labeled as MMS Professional - Miracle Mineral 
Solution - Premium Water Purification Drops distributed by PGL 
International, 
LLC.  This product comes in a 4 oz green plastic bottle..  This recall is for 
all lot numbers.
 
 Q. Why was this product recalled?
 
 A. PGL International, LLC is initiating this voluntary recall because of 
 safety 
concerns raised by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in regards to 
chlorine 
dioxide.  As a precautionary measure, the company is recalling all sodium 
chlorite product, effective August 13, 2010.
 
 Q. What should I do if I resell or have ever resold this product?
 
 A. Quit selling this product and inform anyone you have sold this product to 
 in 
the past by sending them a copy of this recall communication..
 
 Q. What should I do if I have some of this product?
 
 A. The FDA recommends that consumers stop using this product.  Further 
distribution or use of any remaining product should cease immediately..  If 
you 
have any unused product, you may seal the container and return it to the 
address 
provided below.  Shipping account information will be provided upon request.  
PGL will work with all customers to make them whole.
 
 If you have any questions or comments, please email
 rec...@projectgreenlife.com
 .
 
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 2533 N Carson St Ste 1991
 Carson City, NV 89706
 www.projectgreenlife.com
 TOLL FREE PHONE: 888.349.9428
 
 
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Re: CSMMS email received today

[Renee]

There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim Humble. 
There is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says that the vomiting
and diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim says is actually from
chlorine poisoning rather than overload of die-off.  He advocates (and uses)
a 5% strength of sodium chlorite rather than the 28% MMS.  

There are those that have followed Jim's protocol and claim they've gotten
their normal lives back after years of illness, and those that say he saved
my life and so they are vehement against the chemist's gentler, safer
protocol.  Though he doesn't belong to the list, Jim came on to debate Tom
and wound up looking bad (as in he could only defend himself by repeating 'I
ve given this to thousands of people and therefor it is safe').

Then there are those like me who go--if I had something really serious I was
trying to kill I'd use Jim's (new) protocol--which, by the way, he changed
from his original protocol because he finally had to admit, without actually
admitting, that he did not understand the chemistry of sodium chlorite, nor
what it does in the body, nor how long it is actually IN the body--of a few
drops every few hours.  BUT--for anything less serious I would certainly use
the much safer 5% method the chemist recommends.  As he says--it does the
same thing as Jim's method, it just takes longer.  

There are situations where you don't mind it taking longer and then there
are situations where you want it to be gone NOW.  So I feel there is room
for both.  Jim, on the other hand, really hates anyone who tries to say his
protocols aren't THE end to all illnesses.

I've been using MMS since the web first heard about it, as MMS.  Sodium
chlorite, of course, has been used for decades before Jim brought it to
public attention, with his own 'discovered' method.  

So you pretty much have to read both sides and choose for yourself.  Sodium
chlorite as MMS has always been a product of extremes.  It does one thing
for this person and the exact opposite for the next person, in every body
response reported from MMS users.  I've been on 2 MMS lists (one now
defunct) for at least 3 years now and have 'seen it all'.   MMS is an
amazing thing, but it is MEDICINE, and should be handled with safety.  Jim
doesn't believe that there is anything at all unsafe about it.  I know
differently, but Jim refuses to acknowledge that.  shrug

Samala,
Renee
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
Hi there, I've been seeing this on the MMS list.  Project Greenlife are
recalling MMS due to FDA 'pressure'/advice.   It is on their website


http://www.projectgreenlife.com 


They no longer sell MMS according to their site.

Re: CSMMS email received today

[Sunny]

Renee, thank you for this.. I just kept saying, this person makes total sense.. 
I really like your seeing both sides, for that is my way... Thank you.

smiles
sunny

 
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From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:51:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today

 
There's a big controversy over the safety of MMS as used by Jim Humble.  There 
is an MMS list and we have a chemist on it, who says that the vomiting and 
diarrhea that comes from taking MMS the way Jim says is actually from chlorine 
poisoning rather than overload of die-off.  He advocates (and uses) a 5% 
strength of sodium chlorite rather than the 28% MMS.  

 
There are those that have followed Jim's protocol and claim they've gotten 
their 
normal lives back after years of illness, and those that say he saved my life 
and so they are vehement against the chemist's gentler, safer protocol.  Though 
he doesn't belong to the list, Jim came on to debate Tom and wound up looking 
bad (as in he could only defend himself by repeating 'I've given this to 
thousands of people and therefor it is safe').
 
Then there are those like me who go--if I had something really serious I was 
trying to kill I'd use Jim's (new) protocol--which, by the way, he changed from 
his original protocol because he finally had to admit, without actually 
admitting, that he did not understand the chemistry of sodium chlorite, nor 
what 
it does in the body, nor how long it is actually IN the body--of a few drops 
every few hours.  BUT--for anything less serious I would certainly use the much 
safer 5% method the chemist recommends.  As he says--it does the same thing as 
Jim's method, it just takes longer.  

 
There are situations where you don't mind it taking longer and then there are 
situations where you want it to be gone NOW.  So I feel there is room for both. 
 
Jim, on the other hand, really hates anyone who tries to say his protocols 
aren't THE end to all illnesses.
 
I've been using MMS since the web first heard about it, as MMS.  Sodium 
chlorite, of course, has been used for decades before Jim brought it to public 
attention, with his own 'discovered' method.  

 
So you pretty much have to read both sides and choose for yourself.  Sodium 
chlorite as MMS has always been a product of extremes.  It does one thing for 
this person and the exact opposite for the next person, in every body response 
reported from MMS users.  I've been on 2 MMS lists (one now defunct) for at 
least 3 years now and have 'seen it all'.   MMS is an amazing thing, but it is 
MEDICINE, and should be handled with safety.  Jim doesn't believe that there is 
anything at all unsafe about it.  I know differently, but Jim refuses to 
acknowledge that.  shrug
 
Samala,
Renee
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
Hi there, I've been seeing this on the MMS list.  Project Greenlife are 
recalling MMS due to FDA 'pressure'/advice.   It is on their website

http://www.projectgreenlife.com 

They no longer sell MMS according to their site.


  

CSMMS email received today

[Pam Wanveer]

Hi, I received this email today.  Has anyone gotten one of these and/ 
or have any

insight?  I guess this is off topic, sorry.
Thanks, Pam




URGENT: MMS Product Recall Notice

Dear Customer,

You are receiving this email because our records indicate you may  
have purchased a product called MMS from our company at some time  
in the past.


Following discussion with FDA officials, Project GreenLife is  
effecting an immediate voluntary recall of its sodium chlorite  
solution product labeled MMS Professional - Miracle Mineral  
Solution - Premium Water Purification Drops.


Questions and answers on voluntary recall of Project GreenLife's  
sodium chlorite product:


Q. What products are affected by this recall?

A. Sodium chlorite solution, labeled as MMS Professional - Miracle  
Mineral Solution - Premium Water Purification Drops distributed by  
PGL International, LLC.  This product comes in a 4 oz green plastic  
bottle..  This recall is for all lot numbers.


Q. Why was this product recalled?

A. PGL International, LLC is initiating this voluntary recall  
because of safety concerns raised by the U.S. Food and Drug  
Administration in regards to chlorine dioxide.  As a precautionary  
measure, the company is recalling all sodium chlorite product,  
effective August 13, 2010.


Q. What should I do if I resell or have ever resold this product?

A. Quit selling this product and inform anyone you have sold this  
product to in the past by sending them a copy of this recall  
communication..


Q. What should I do if I have some of this product?

A. The FDA recommends that consumers stop using this product.   
Further distribution or use of any remaining product should cease  
immediately..  If you have any unused product, you may seal the  
container and return it to the address provided below.  Shipping  
account information will be provided upon request.  PGL will work  
with all customers to make them whole.


If you have any questions or comments, please email rec...@projectgreenlife.com 
.


PGL International, LLC
2533 N Carson St Ste 1991
Carson City, NV 89706
www.projectgreenlife.com
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RE: CSMMS Instructions

[Thora Rasmusen (Home)]

Sunny,
 
Could you tell us how to make homemade MMS?
 
Thanks.
 
Thora

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From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny [mailto:sunwatercl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 5:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSexpert witness medicolegal reports


Hi folks, I'm Sunny and I'm new to this list.   I've been taking colloidal
silver bought in Wholefoods, which comes from a company called Genesis
Today, for a while, just spraying it into my mouth as I originally got it
for my gum problems.  Now I'm seeing the potential for a whole lot more... 
 
We've been thinking about buying a colloidal silver generator and I've
gotten really confused with all the conflicting information around.I'm
reading material about how ppm isn't important but particle surface area is,
about the difference between ionic silver v real colloidal, how electrolysis
isn't the best way to make it [our machine does not use Electrolysis' is the
marketing ploy],  how you have to use distilled water from a proper
distiller rather than buying it in the store in a bottle.   How if the
instructions tell you you must use a blue or brown bottle then the silver
isn't real colloidal.   How ionic silver becomes silver chloride and doesn't
last in the body.  
 
Most of the manufacturers of silver generators have marketing speak that
says 'don't believe what other people tell you ' and many of them are
offering conflicting data, most of which is so technical that I can't get my
head round it. 
 
I feel like one of those cartoon characters with lots of question and
exclamation marks going round in circles!!! ;-)
 
So, I'm thinking that there are probably people on this list who have are
making and have taken homemade CS for various ailments and it has worked.
So, if that's you, I'd love to hear about what generator you're using and
why you recommend it.   Please help deconfuse us...
 
We want to make colloidal silver in bulk to give away to friends and family
and also to market through physical groups, meeting people, talking about
it..
 
We don't have healthcare and are on a very limited income so we're
passionate about finding the right combination of low cost health solutions
that will keep us in wellness...and thinking that this passion will
eventually provide an income for us...
 
Currently we use MMS [recommended by the executive director of a VA
hospital!] which we can also make at home very cheaply but haven't
yet... and colloidal silver as I described above
 
My husband has had problems with his digestive system, ulcers at age 7,
diverticulosis, and IBS at times of stress. I have respiratory weakness... I
am beginning to see some kind of genetic propensity for specific types of
ill-health, and we want to prevent these before they happen.
 
All advice welcome... but specifically, we need some input on CS and CS
generators...
 
big smiles 
sunny

 

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 12:36:33 AM
Subject: CSexpert witness medicolegal reports


 


 

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From: kmartjo...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: CSexpert witness medicolegal reports


Anyone know a medical ENT doctor  or expert witness who can prepare
documents for mold exposure...thanks to cs I recovered. I was exposed to 9
kind of mold...was so sick I didn't care if I died. one was aspergillos















 












 




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Re: CSMMS and Colloidal silver together?? Anybody??

[Ode Coyote]

At 05:09 PM 10/19/2009 -0700, you wrote:

Ode,

 Would MMS oxidize the silver ions/particles in the blood, thus 
rendering it ineffective?



 ##  There are those that say this happens anyway..and those that say 
trace Ammonia in the blood serves a function of converting ions into 
metallic particles with a Fulminating stage.

 Note that Chlorine Dioxide doesn't react with Ammonia.
 Note also that Silver Chloride will also kill germs..just not as 
effectively as the pure metal nano-particle or ion.


 Burned or starved... Dead is dead.
 Burned AND starved, still dead.

Ode

 Although chlorine dioxide has chlorine in its name,
its chemistry is radically different from that of chlorine. When reacting 
with other substances, it is weaker and more selective. For
example, it does not react with ammonia or most organic compounds. Chlorine 
dioxide oxygenates products rather than

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