Re: CSMuscle spasms
Yes -- that's what I mean by local -- health food stores, co-ops, specialty stores. Not Krogers, Walmart, etc. You can frequently find it at feed stores. We can also get it here at an Amish Market. And one antique store that carries Amish products. And -- of course -- from bee keepers that don't pasteurize their honey. MA From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 9:31:46 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms I have often found it in health food stores or food co-ops. PT From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 7:54:59 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
Re: CSMuscle spasms
You're right about that Lena -- and because of that, it works as an allergy desensitizer as well. Can I ask why you retired from bee-keeping? MA From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 9:40:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms As a retired bee-keeper, I recommend one always try to buy local honey, as it will contain the best flowers and grasses that surround your daily life. (and supports the 'think globally, act locally' idea) L On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:53 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
Re: CSMuscle spasms
I have seen it in the health food section of Kroger. Marshall On 11/12/2012 7:53 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA *From:* Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA *From:* Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM *Subject:* CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
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Hiving a swarm at high noon, in 95º heat, high humidity, wearing a bee-suit, eyes smarting from the smoker that calms the swarm down. And, of course, unlike the textbook swarm that always settles on a hard-wood branch 6' from the ground, they're more apt to settle one foot out of reach from your tallest ladder, on the trunk of a pine-tree! Plus, a full super of honey weights 60lbs at harvest time and I've got Lyme disease. Ah, but I remember, and miss the sacred work! Also miss our exquisite honey. Be well, Léna On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:43 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: You're right about that Lena -- and because of that, it works as an allergy desensitizer as well. Can I ask why you retired from bee-keeping? MA From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 9:40:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms As a retired bee-keeper, I recommend one always try to buy local honey, as it will contain the best flowers and grasses that surround your daily life. (and supports the 'think globally, act locally' idea) L On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:53 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
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Try drinking more water, everyone I have seen, was dehydrated. Tel Tofflemire www.QuailwoodHerbal.com From: Ole Alstrup alst...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com; sobertogod1n...@gmail.com sobertogod1n...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:05 AM Subject: Sv: Re: CSMuscle spasms I haven't been able to get through to the list for more than a week, Gary the list owner doesn't respond to my mails too. Please look into transdermal magnesium oil therapy using Zechstein magnesium hexahydrate chloride, brine or evaporated crystals. This is lightyears ahead of any oral supplementation. Unbelievable stuff, I use it myself. Best Wishes Ole Sendt fra Yahoo! Mail på Android From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com; To: silver-list@eskimo.com; Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:35:14 PM Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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Yep I said that originally. Too true. - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire Try drinking more water, everyone I have seen, was dehydrated.
Re: CSMuscle spasms
Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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For every cup of coffee one needs to drink 6-8 cups of water since coffee is a diuretic... PT From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 12:32:47 AM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Ok Jane i will! i drink too much coffee and not enough water. Thanks!! On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Mg and Copper are the two elements for cramping but since alcohol's worst impact is dehydration, try starting the day with 1.5L water with the squeeze of a fresh lemon in it - in two gulps if you can - that would make more difference than anything else you can try. It is a therapeutic protocol I found on the ayurveda list, so don't worry about drowning - 45 minutes before breakfast daily Jane -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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Tea is also a diuretic so it is counterproductive... PT From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:13:59 AM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms I know what you mean - I think about drinking water and drink tea instead! it simply is not the same tho! Let me know if it helps! And it needs to be non fluoridated water, or you'll need to take borax to counteract the fluoride! Jane Ok Jane i will! i drink too much coffee and notenough water. Thanks!!
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Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA -- *From:* Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM *Subject:* CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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I've had severe muscle spasms for decades. Then last year noticed that just eating some good high-potassium fruit.. or citrus fruit would set them off almost immediately. (My husband eats a lot of fruit now because he isn't allowed 'good' stuff on his diet) Turns out that Magnesium (not the oxide version) totally controls the muscle spasms AND restless legs AND constipation. :))) being someone who 'forgets' to take pills etc. I often notice restless legs returning... and recall that the magnesium hasn't been swallowed. And if I just think I can deal with the restless legs, the muscle spasms get my attention real quick! Especially when opposing muscles are involved. : AnitaW who enjoys her citrus... From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Gary Hilt wrote: i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas?? I just have my personal experience. Since I've been sipping simple syrup throughout the day (about 4 oz total of syrup of 2 cups water 3 cups white sugar) I have not had the spasms or cramps, nor are my leg muscles contracted. Even my spine is now flexible. Waiting for the avalanche of dissing sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Gary Hilt wrote: Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx I didn't specify in my earlier reply, but I had those too. Painful. Gone now. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.comwrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.comwrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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I understand that Magnesium Oxide isn't utilized well, so you have to take a _lot_ more vs other types. I use Magnesium Gluconate, but there are other types available, some like one kind.. others other kinds. :)) AnitaW Hey Appreciate the input. What form of magnesium if not oxide? Thank ya On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM, ew ewestf...@ardmore.net wrote: I've had severe muscle spasms for decades. Then last year noticed that just eating some good high-potassium fruit.. or citrus fruit would set them off almost immediately. (My husband eats a lot of fruit now because he isn't allowed 'good' stuff on his diet) Turns out that Magnesium (not the oxide version) totally controls the muscle spasms AND restless legs AND constipation. :))) being someone who 'forgets' to take pills etc. I often notice restless legs returning... and recall that the magnesium hasn't been swallowed. And if I just think I can deal with the restless legs, the muscle spasms get my attention real quick! Especially when opposing muscles are involved. : AnitaW who enjoys her citrus... From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I haven't been able to get through to the list for more than a week, Gary the list owner doesn't respond to my mails too. Please look into transdermal magnesium oil therapy using Zechstein magnesium hexahydrate chloride, brine or evaporated crystals. This is lightyears ahead of any oral supplementation. Unbelievable stuff, I use it myself. Best Wishes Ole Sendt fra Yahoo! Mail på Android
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their way into my back. Nasty stuff. Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself. I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too. I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is making it all attempt a comeback! Be well, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA *From:* Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM *Subject:* CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
Hi Lena sorry your having the discomfort you mentioned. i have been aware of trigger point for years but many of my cramps are a knotting around my rib cage and the diaphragm are so herd to facilitate there. Hope that your continued therapy works. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their way into my back. Nasty stuff. Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself. I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too. I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is making it all attempt a comeback! Be well, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.comwrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.comwrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
Gary Is It just under the rib cage? Right side is Liver which could be damaged from drinking and the left side would be the spleen. I had both when I was a truck driver and it was so severe I could hardly shift the gears. That was before I found out I had Lyme disease, once I stopped the Lyme with CS the problem very slowly went away. Dave On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Lena sorry your having the discomfort you mentioned. i have been aware of trigger point for years but many of my cramps are a knotting around my rib cage and the diaphragm are so herd to facilitate there. Hope that your continued therapy works. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their way into my back. Nasty stuff. Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself. I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too. I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is making it all attempt a comeback! Be well, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.comwrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.comwrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms / magnesium
Just began taking detox bathes with Epsom Salts Baking Soda.--This is worth reading for your problem..It mentions one of them .. good Luck--Lois _Peaceful Healing Journey - Articles_ (http://www.peacefulhealingjourney.com/detoxbath.htm)
Re: CSMuscle spasms / magnesium
Thanks so much i read the article. i have most of the symptoms :O( i just went and bought some Magnesium! On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:12 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: ** Just began taking detox bathes with Epsom Salts Baking Soda.--This is worth reading for your problem..It mentions one of them .. good Luck--Lois Peaceful Healing Journey - Articleshttp://www.peacefulhealingjourney.com/detoxbath.htm -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms
Hi Sol, Have you tried d-ribose? It is a sugar used by muscle fibers. It has helped me a great deal. PT From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 10:38:44 AM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Gary Hilt wrote: i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas?? I just have my personal experience. Since I've been sipping simple syrup throughout the day (about 4 oz total of syrup of 2 cups water 3 cups white sugar) I have not had the spasms or cramps, nor are my leg muscles contracted. Even my spine is now flexible. Waiting for the avalanche of dissing sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMuscle spasms
Magnesium oil works well and is well absorbed through the skin. PT From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 11:34:48 AM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Hey Appreciate the input. What form of magnesium if not oxide? Thank ya On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM, ew ewestf...@ardmore.net wrote: I've had severe muscle spasms for decades. Then last year noticed that just eating some good high-potassium fruit.. or citrus fruit would set them off almost immediately. (My husband eats a lot of fruit now because he isn't allowed 'good' stuff on his diet) Turns out that Magnesium (not the oxide version) totally controls the muscle spasms AND restless legs AND constipation. :))) being someone who 'forgets' to take pills etc. I often notice restless legs returning... and recall that the magnesium hasn't been swallowed. And if I just think I can deal with the restless legs, the muscle spasms get my attention real quick! Especially when opposing muscles are involved. : AnitaW who enjoys her citrus... From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: Sv: Re: CSMuscle spasms
Look for the blog of Dr. Mark Sircus. He has written a book on transdermal magnesium supplementation. PT From: Ole Alstrup alst...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com; sobertogod1n...@gmail.com sobertogod1n...@gmail.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 12:06:34 PM Subject: Sv: Re: CSMuscle spasms I haven't been able to get through to the list for more than a week, Gary the list owner doesn't respond to my mails too. Please look into transdermal magnesium oil therapy using Zechstein magnesium hexahydrate chloride, brine or evaporated crystals. This is lightyears ahead of any oral supplementation. Unbelievable stuff, I use it myself. Best Wishes Ole Sendt fra Yahoo! Mail på Android From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com; To: silver-list@eskimo.com; Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:35:14 PM Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
Hi Lena, The method you describe is only one method for dealing with these knots. Some teachers suggest a gentle pumping of the point is better than going so hard into it. You might want to give it a try and see how it works for you. Blessings, PT From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 2:00:50 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their way into my back. Nasty stuff. Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself. I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too. I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is making it all attempt a comeback! Be well, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
You might want to search for a Theracane. It works well for those hard to reach areas. PT From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 3:13:29 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW Hi Lena sorry your having the discomfort you mentioned. i have been aware of trigger point for years but many of my cramps are a knotting around my rib cage and the diaphragm are so herd to facilitate there. Hope that your continued therapy works. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their way into my back. Nasty stuff. Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself. I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too. I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is making it all attempt a comeback! Be well, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms
Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
Re: CSMuscle spasms
PT Ferrance wrote: Hi Sol, Have you tried d-ribose? It is a sugar used by muscle fibers. It has helped me a great deal. Yes, I have, it makes me worse. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
PT Ferrance wrote: Hi Lena, The method you describe is only one method for dealing with these knots. Some teachers suggest a gentle pumping of the point is better than going so hard into it. You might want to give it a try and see how it works for you. The gentle technique, which my physical therapist used on me and taught my husband to do worked much better than the hard pressure technique. And without pain. For me the hard pressure just put me into a great deal of extra pain, and it made the trigger points tighten up worse afterwards. They never did release that way. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMuscle spasms
MaryAnn Helland wrote: Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA I order mine from amazon. Y-S organic raw honey. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMuscle spasms
D-ribose like Ubiquinol/Coenzyme Q10 deals with the charging the cells power pack, the mitochondria. Muscle spasms may not be due to de-energized mitochondria. Anyway d-ribose definitely has proven to strength the heart muscle. Here the link of an article on D-ribose http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/may2008_D-Ribose -Energize-Your-Heart-Save-Your-Life_01.htm Olushola On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:18 PM, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Sol, Have you tried d-ribose? It is a sugar used by muscle fibers. It has helped me a great deal. PT -- *From:* sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, November 12, 2012 10:38:44 AM *Subject:* Re: CSMuscle spasms Gary Hilt wrote: i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas?? I just have my personal experience. Since I've been sipping simple syrup throughout the day (about 4 oz total of syrup of 2 cups water 3 cups white sugar) I have not had the spasms or cramps, nor are my leg muscles contracted. Even my spine is now flexible. Waiting for the avalanche of dissing sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMuscle spasms
I have often found it in health food stores or food co-ops. PT From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 7:54:59 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW
I just checked this out and it works similarly to the 'S' curve rod! Its 2 different-sized wooden ball ends are good for different muscle groups. Thanks, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:29 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: You might want to search for a Theracane. It works well for those hard to reach areas. PT From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 3:13:29 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms :more input, FWIW Hi Lena sorry your having the discomfort you mentioned. i have been aware of trigger point for years but many of my cramps are a knotting around my rib cage and the diaphragm are so herd to facilitate there. Hope that your continued therapy works. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their way into my back. Nasty stuff. Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself. I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too. I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is making it all attempt a comeback! Be well, Léna On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Hey Dave appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Gary I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem, It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to alleviate. If I skip just one dose I get cramps. Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSMuscle spasms
As a retired bee-keeper, I recommend one always try to buy local honey, as it will contain the best flowers and grasses that surround your daily life. (and supports the 'think globally, act locally' idea) L On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:53 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Thanks Marshall -- that's why I specified *raw honey* -- I should have been more specific. I think you have to buy it locally to buy it at all. I've never seen raw honey at the grocery store, have you? MA From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 1:43:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Be very careful of honey. Buy locally produced if you can. Most honey nowdays, especially from China, is not honey at all but corn syrup with flavoring and color added. Marshall On 11/12/2012 9:58 AM, Gary Hilt wrote: Thanks MaryAnn Oddly i have these in my torso around my lower ribs and diaphram area . i'll gie it a try tho. Thanx On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Gary. Sorry you're dealing with this. I haven't dealt with muscle spasms all over, but have dealt with muscle spasms in my legs and feet for many years -- mostly at night. I have resolved this problem with a vinegar/honey combination as follows: Mix one tablespoon organic apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, with one tablespoon of raw honey -- in 4 ozs. of hot water. Drink down -- for me, right before I go to bed at night. I learned about this resolution for acid indigestion/heartburn -- which it resolves very well -- but the side benefit is the elimination of muscle spasms. Which was a welcome surprise. You can take this during the day, as well, and I don't think there's such a thing as too much. I hope this helps you. MA From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 11, 2012 10:18:24 PM Subject: CSMuscle spasms Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12
Re: CSMuscle spasms
Your magnesium levels may be low, I have had good results with muscle spasms using Natural Calm magnesium powder. Steve Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: = Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMuscle spasms
Yep, I've heard people telling me for years that it's a potassium deficiency but I've always treated mine with a magnesium supplement and that's always done the trick. It might be potassium in some people and magnesium in others. Donna -Original Message- From: Steve Levine [mailto:scl...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Gary Hilt Subject: Re: CSMuscle spasms Your magnesium levels may be low, I have had good results with muscle spasms using Natural Calm magnesium powder. Steve Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com wrote: = Hey yall i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc. i wondered if any of yall have any ideas??? Thanks -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMuscle spasms
I know what you mean - I think about drinking water and drink tea instead! it simply is not the same tho! Let me know if it helps! And it needs to be non fluoridated water, or you'll need to take borax to counteract the fluoride! Jane Ok Jane i will! i drink too much coffee and not enough water. Thanks!!
