RE: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
Go to the soccer field? Be sure to take the HumVee so you'll fit in and look sincere...no adult passengers now... Ode At 10:59 AM 2/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: Is there some place I can make a donation to the complainers about oil companies or the abused consumer driving his SUV to soccer practice? stuff At 09:32 PM 2/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: Is there some place I can make a donation to help out the abused and under compensated international oil companies? JOH -Original Message- From: The Hatzfeld's [mailto:ha...@airmail.net] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas This old thing has been around for about 2 years. I think it's too simplistic to say since a product you are using costs more than you would like you then get others to help boycott it. I don't know where the hatred of oil companies come from. My dad worked for Mobil for 40 years and was friends with men from other companies since we lived overseas. They were all good, hard-working and honest men. Looking at the process of bringing the gasoline to us starts with the oil companies hiring competent and educated professionals like geologists and engineers to locate the oil, then building the drills and refineries to process it. Then the oil companies have a variety of different countries they have to deal with in order to just do business. Did you know some years ago that many of the countries where oil is drilled nationalized and so they were legally able to steal ALL of the oil companies equipment? I'd bet they still have occasions where they must deal with corruption. When the oil is ready for shipment, it's brought over in a tanker and distributed to eventually be sold at your local gas station. All things considered, we're not paying that much for the gas. Of course we'd all like to pay less for goods services - just bought my first bottle of CS at the health food store costs more (2 oz. for $14) - let's get real here. Cindy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
The monstrous evils of the twentieth century have shown us that the greediest money grubbers are gentle doves compared with money-hating wolves like Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, who in less than three decades killed or maimed nearly a hundred million men, women, and children and brought untold suffering to a large portion of mankind. --Eric Hoffer stuff At 11:56 AM 2/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: the original post by cindy is well taken. as far as good honest men working for the oil companies, that is a good thing to remember.however, most of the armies of the world are populated by such good neighbors. yet they go out and kil and slaughter each other and civilians. collateral damage. good honest men are also paid highly in our society to lie and manipulate. the most obvious of these are ad men, lawyers, and most politicians. my point is that we may need to take a larger moral scope than just how civil we are as neighbors and how much money we bring home. On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:32 PM, James Holmes wrote: Is there some place I can make a donation to help out the abused and under compensated international oil companies? JOH -Original Message- From:The Hatzfeld's [mailto:ha...@airmail.netmailto:ha...@airmail.net] Sent:Monday, February 09, 2004 4:39 PM To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas This old thing has been around for about 2 years. I think it's too simplistic to say since a product you are using costs more than you would like you then get others to help boycott it. I don't know where the hatred of oil companies come from. My dad worked for Mobil for 40 years and was friends with men from other companies since we lived overseas. They were all good, hard-working and honest men. Looking at the process of bringing the gasoline to us starts with the oil companies hiring competent and educated professionals like geologists and engineers to locate the oil, then building the drills and refineries to process it. Then the oil companies have a variety of different countries they have to deal with in order to just do business. Did you know some years ago that many of the countries where oil is drilled nationalized and so they were legally able to steal ALL of the oil companies equipment? I'd bet they still have occasions where they must deal with corruption. When the oil is ready for shipment, it's brought over in a tanker and distributed to eventually be sold at your local gas station. All things considered, we're not paying that much for the gas. Of course we'd all like to pay less for goods services - just bought my first bottle of CS at the health food store costs more (2 oz. for $14) - let's get real here. Cindy /blockquote/x-html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
If you don't buy from one, the others get richer, the supply goes down because the refineries are already at max capacity and the price goes up even more. All the small independents buy oil and gas from the big ones. There are only about 5 big ones. It costs billions just to get into the big time. The supply of crude is not the main problem. The capacity of the refineries is a bigger factor. The big guys know the world wide reserves in the ground right down to a few million barrels. They know it's not a good idea to build more very expensive refineries. Only about a third of a barrel of crude is gasoline when using the best cracking technology which takes more energy from other portions of that barrel to crack at over 700 deg. They are also on the leading edge of alternative fuel systems and solar panel production, ARCO being the biggest solar panel and wind power manufacturer in the world for decades. The day they run out of oil, you'll see new things pop up and under their name. They are not stupid. ..and it will be even more expensive. [if it's even possible without denuding the entire planet or going nuclear] Right now, we're getting a relatively free ride from the past and sucking it up fast. First stage is alchohol..from coal and some from high energy consuming grain. [not to mention that most fertilizer is made from coal] Second stage is hydrogen technology. The only way to make cheap hydrogen is to steam coal. Making hydrogen from water takes a lot more energy than you get out of using the hydrogen. I looked up the actual figures and methods, you can too. It doesn't look good. Almost a third of the cost of gas at the pump is taxes. [was half as it's a per gallon tax] The oil companies don't make much profit on a gallon of gasoline [10 cents a gallon wouldn't suprise me]..they just sell billions and billions of gallons... for much less than you pay for bottled water. So yea, they're raking in the bucks, but not on any one individual driver. It's millions and millions of drivers and sales of petro chemicals and asphalt. The resellers of gasoline makes so little money on sales that they have to have a convenience store to stay afloat and/or have multi lane stations and sell a couple thousand gallons a day. The sale of gas is mostly to get you to stop in. There are many abandonded stations around that didn't make it. They used to depend on service but couldn't keep up with the technology of automobiles. The only way to drive the price down is to drastically reduce consumption...but not too much. [We're in no position to reduce it too much] Ode [ex tanker driver and motor head who spent a lot of time at the pipe line, the pumps and service stations .. back when there were some.] At 07:15 PM 2/8/2004 -0600, you wrote: Sounds good to me. Please read all this and do it. Yours Hank Subject: [govtwatch2] PLEASE HELP! From Tom Paxton Dear friends family, I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.77 for regular unleaded gas in Riverwoods, IL. We all know that we're being screwed by the oil companies. Does everyone remember how they drove up the prices way past a dollar and got the gas prices to where they wanted them, claiming there was a shortage of oil. Well, there isn't any shortage now, and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a gallon of gas was 29 cents!!! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplacenot sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have
Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
the original post by cindy is well taken. as far as good honest men working for the oil companies, that is a good thing to remember.however, most of the armies of the world are populated by such good neighbors. yet they go out and kil and slaughter each other and civilians. collateral damage. good honest men are also paid highly in our society to lie and manipulate. the most obvious of these are ad men, lawyers, and most politicians. my point is that we may need to take a larger moral scope than just how civil we are as neighbors and how much money we bring home. On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:32 PM, James Holmes wrote: Is there some place I can make a donation to help out the abused and under compensated international oil companies? JOH -Original Message- From:The Hatzfeld's [mailto:ha...@airmail.net] Sent:Monday, February 09, 2004 4:39 PM To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas This old thing has been around for about 2 years. I think it's too simplistic to say since a product you are using costs more than you would like you then get others to help boycott it. I don't know where the hatred of oil companies come from. My dad worked for Mobil for 40 years and was friends with men from other companies since we lived overseas. They were all good, hard-working and honest men. Looking at the process of bringing the gasoline to us starts with the oil companies hiring competent and educated professionals like geologists and engineers to locate the oil, then building the drills and refineries to process it. Then the oil companies have a variety of different countries they have to deal with in order to just do business. Did you know some years ago that many of the countries where oil is drilled nationalized and so they were legally able to steal ALL of the oil companies equipment? I'd bet they still have occasions where they must deal with corruption. When the oil is ready for shipment, it's brought over in a tanker and distributed to eventually be sold at your local gas station. All things considered, we're not paying that much for the gas. Of course we'd all like to pay less for goods services - just bought my first bottle of CS at the health food store costs more (2 oz. for $14) - let's get real here. Cindy
RE: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
Is there some place I can make a donation to the complainers about oil companies or the abused consumer driving his SUV to soccer practice? stuff At 09:32 PM 2/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: Is there some place I can make a donation to help out the abused and under compensated international oil companies? JOH -Original Message- From: The Hatzfeld's [mailto:ha...@airmail.net] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas This old thing has been around for about 2 years. I think it's too simplistic to say since a product you are using costs more than you would like you then get others to help boycott it. I don't know where the hatred of oil companies come from. My dad worked for Mobil for 40 years and was friends with men from other companies since we lived overseas. They were all good, hard-working and honest men. Looking at the process of bringing the gasoline to us starts with the oil companies hiring competent and educated professionals like geologists and engineers to locate the oil, then building the drills and refineries to process it. Then the oil companies have a variety of different countries they have to deal with in order to just do business. Did you know some years ago that many of the countries where oil is drilled nationalized and so they were legally able to steal ALL of the oil companies equipment? I'd bet they still have occasions where they must deal with corruption. When the oil is ready for shipment, it's brought over in a tanker and distributed to eventually be sold at your local gas station. All things considered, we're not paying that much for the gas. Of course we'd all like to pay less for goods services - just bought my first bottle of CS at the health food store costs more (2 oz. for $14) - let's get real here. Cindy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
Thanks for clearing that up, Ode. stuff At 11:11 AM 2/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: If you don't buy from one, the others get richer, the supply goes down because the refineries are already at max capacity and the price goes up even more. All the small independents buy oil and gas from the big ones. There are only about 5 big ones. It costs billions just to get into the big time. The supply of crude is not the main problem. The capacity of the refineries is a bigger factor. The big guys know the world wide reserves in the ground right down to a few million barrels. They know it's not a good idea to build more very expensive refineries. Only about a third of a barrel of crude is gasoline when using the best cracking technology which takes more energy from other portions of that barrel to crack at over 700 deg. They are also on the leading edge of alternative fuel systems and solar panel production, ARCO being the biggest solar panel and wind power manufacturer in the world for decades. The day they run out of oil, you'll see new things pop up and under their name. They are not stupid. ..and it will be even more expensive. [if it's even possible without denuding the entire planet or going nuclear] Right now, we're getting a relatively free ride from the past and sucking it up fast. First stage is alchohol..from coal and some from high energy consuming grain. [not to mention that most fertilizer is made from coal] Second stage is hydrogen technology. The only way to make cheap hydrogen is to steam coal. Making hydrogen from water takes a lot more energy than you get out of using the hydrogen. I looked up the actual figures and methods, you can too. It doesn't look good. Almost a third of the cost of gas at the pump is taxes. [was half as it's a per gallon tax] The oil companies don't make much profit on a gallon of gasoline [10 cents a gallon wouldn't suprise me]..they just sell billions and billions of gallons... for much less than you pay for bottled water. So yea, they're raking in the bucks, but not on any one individual driver. It's millions and millions of drivers and sales of petro chemicals and asphalt. The resellers of gasoline makes so little money on sales that they have to have a convenience store to stay afloat and/or have multi lane stations and sell a couple thousand gallons a day. The sale of gas is mostly to get you to stop in. There are many abandonded stations around that didn't make it. They used to depend on service but couldn't keep up with the technology of automobiles. The only way to drive the price down is to drastically reduce consumption...but not too much. [We're in no position to reduce it too much] Ode [ex tanker driver and motor head who spent a lot of time at the pipe line, the pumps and service stations .. back when there were some.] At 07:15 PM 2/8/2004 -0600, you wrote: Sounds good to me. Please read all this and do it. Yours Hank Subject: [govtwatch2] PLEASE HELP! From Tom Paxton Dear friends family, I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.77 for regular unleaded gas in Riverwoods, IL. We all know that we're being screwed by the oil companies. Does everyone remember how they drove up the prices way past a dollar and got the gas prices to where they wanted them, claiming there was a shortage of oil. Well, there isn't any shortage now, and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a gallon of gas was 29 cents!!! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplacenot sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any
CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
Sounds good to me. Please read all this and do it. Yours Hank Subject: [govtwatch2] PLEASE HELP! From Tom Paxton Dear friends family, I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.77 for regular unleaded gas in Riverwoods, IL. We all know that we're being screwed by the oil companies. Does everyone remember how they drove up the prices way past a dollar and got the gas prices to where they wanted them, claiming there was a shortage of oil. Well, there isn't any shortage now, and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a gallon of gas was 29 cents!!! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplacenot sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to at least thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am .. so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you I didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 OR LESS RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK!!! PLEASE take a few minutes and pass this on to everyone you know!! If you can't e-mail it to at least ten people, please print out a bunch of copies and hand it out to your family and friends!! NO MORE MOBIL EXXON FOR ME Thank you very much! Tom Paxton
Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
This old thing has been around for about 2 years. I think it's too simplistic to say since a product you are using costs more than you would like you then get others to help boycott it. I don't know where the hatred of oil companies come from. My dad worked for Mobil for 40 years and was friends with men from other companies since we lived overseas. They were all good, hard-working and honest men. Looking at the process of bringing the gasoline to us starts with the oil companies hiring competent and educated professionals like geologists and engineers to locate the oil, then building the drills and refineries to process it. Then the oil companies have a variety of different countries they have to deal with in order to just do business. Did you know some years ago that many of the countries where oil is drilled nationalized and so they were legally able to steal ALL of the oil companies equipment? I'd bet they still have occasions where they must deal with corruption. When the oil is ready for shipment, it's brought over in a tanker and distributed to eventually be sold at your local gas station. All things considered, we're not paying that much for the gas. Of course we'd all like to pay less for goods services - just bought my first bottle of CS at the health food store costs more (2 oz. for $14) - let's get real here. Cindy
RE: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas
Is there some place I can make a donation to help out the abused and under compensated international oil companies? JOH -Original Message- From: The Hatzfeld's [mailto:ha...@airmail.net] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT to some. Mobil and Exxon Gas This old thing has been around for about 2 years. I think it's too simplistic to say since a product you are using costs more than you would like you then get others to help boycott it. I don't know where the hatred of oil companies come from. My dad worked for Mobil for 40 years and was friends with men from other companies since we lived overseas. They were all good, hard-working and honest men. Looking at the process of bringing the gasoline to us starts with the oil companies hiring competent and educated professionals like geologists and engineers to locate the oil, then building the drills and refineries to process it. Then the oil companies have a variety of different countries they have to deal with in order to just do business. Did you know some years ago that many of the countries where oil is drilled nationalized and so they were legally able to steal ALL of the oil companies equipment? I'd bet they still have occasions where they must deal with corruption. When the oil is ready for shipment, it's brought over in a tanker and distributed to eventually be sold at your local gas station. All things considered, we're not paying that much for the gas. Of course we'd all like to pay less for goods services - just bought my first bottle of CS at the health food store costs more (2 oz. for $14) - let's get real here. Cindy
