Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
North Carolina The Southeast can grow a lumber tree in 35 years with 2 pulp harvests in between. Mostly Loblolly yellow pine. Oak grows just as fast as pine. Washington...about 55 to 80 years. Minnisota90 to 150 years Cut down a maple, poplar or gum and it's a shade tree again in 5-10 yearsya can't kill em. Don't mow the grass for 2 years and you need a big bush hog. Don't clean out the gutters every year and you get saplings growing in there in no time. A fig tree will grow almost a foot per month. Ode At 07:50 AM 11/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >Ode you mention tree farming/logging country; does that mean >Washington State? > >connie > > >On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:06:02 -0500 Ode Coyote >writes: >> Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I >> estimated >> that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build >> this >> small house for $3,000. >> I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself. >> >> ode >> >> At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> >You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using >> to get >> >rid of possible pests... >> > >> >Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and >> "cob". >> >Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you >> want >> >to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive. >> > >> >Check out: >> > >> >http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html >> > >> >http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm >> > >> >http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5 >> > >> >How about this? (from the first link above) >> > >> >Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED >> and >> >reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from >> nosy >> >neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment >> can >> >enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable >> piece of >> >land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in >> which >> >to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how >> to >> >select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a >> septic >> >system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and >> >refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, >> soft >> >cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE >> > >> >Dan >> > >> > >> > >> >Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? >> >From: siriu...@aol.com >> >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST >> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> > >> >Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US? >> > >> >My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year >> and >> >rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea >> of >> >building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates. >> > >> >We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone >> water >> >rather than chlorine. >> > >> >The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of >> wisdom >> >for solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water >> and >> >cisterns etc? >> > >> >We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground >> facility >> >or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to >> flooding >> >and government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In >> this >> >case we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on >> house >> >buildin is appreciated. >> > >> >Harper >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: >> 11/11/2005 >> > >> > >> >-- >> >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal >> Silver. >> > >> >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: >> http://silverlist.org >> > >> >To post, ad
Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
Hi, We lived in such a house made from bamboo blind while living in the Western Highlands of Papua, New Guinea in the 1950's. Actually we lived in three different such houses. Certainly nothing was fumigated! We did live one year in a frame house. Do not recall that we had any fewer colds and such while in the frame house, or since then in houses in the U.S.A. Cheers! RuthS From Ruth Strackbein From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:56:58 -0700>I know of a family who built a straw bale house. Never did hear how >they liked it. Lot of info online I think.>I have heard of bamboo blinds from china with termites in them, but >that was 40 years ago at least. Most things might be already >fumigated these days, but whether the crates themselves are also >fumigated?>sol>>Dan Nave wrote:>>>You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using >>to get>>rid of possible pests...>>>>Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and >>"cob".>>Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you >>want>>to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive.>>>>>-->The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal >Silver.>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com>Silver List archive: >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
How To Build Your Own Log Home For Less Than $15,000 Author Robert L. Williams and his family built a 4,300 square foot house with no previous carpentry experience. He shares his building strategies and techniques, in 36 detailed chapters; you'll learn the essentials of chainsawing and squaring logs, building foundations, constructing walls and rooftops, installing floors, windows and doors, wiring and plumbing, and much more. Williams' engaging, easy-to-follow text is accompanied by numerous photographs and illustrations to guide you every step of the way. 216 pages, paperback. #4003...$20.00 (Doesn't say anything about hoisting though...) >>> Ode Coyote 11/14/2005 6:06:02 AM >>> Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I estimated that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build this small house for $3,000. I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself. ode At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to get >rid of possible pests... > >Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob". >Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you want >to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive. > >Check out: > >http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html > >http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm > >http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5 > >How about this? (from the first link above) > >Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED and >reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from nosy >neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment can >enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable piece of >land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in which >to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how to >select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a septic >system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and >refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, soft >cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE > >Dan > > > >Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? >From: siriu...@aol.com >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US? > >My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year and >rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea of >building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates. > >We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone water >rather than chlorine. > >The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of wisdom >for solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water and >cisterns etc? > >We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground facility >or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to flooding >and government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In this >case we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on house >buildin is appreciated. > >Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0 - Release Date: 11/11/2005
Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? fumigating crates
Definitely. Disease is spread by contact with "other". I am immune to my own germs and the germs of my loved ones and neighborhood. Thanx for the reminder. I tend to think of Chinese shipping crates as "my neighborhood" but I live in LA now and crates often carry more than parasites and cargo. Human traffickers move people in them, often sick people. Someone who sells a crate is not going to mention the stow away's with TB they found. Harper
Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
I know of a family who built a straw bale house. Never did hear how they liked it. Lot of info online I think. I have heard of bamboo blinds from china with termites in them, but that was 40 years ago at least. Most things might be already fumigated these days, but whether the crates themselves are also fumigated? sol Dan Nave wrote: You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to get rid of possible pests... Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob". Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you want to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
Ode you mention tree farming/logging country; does that mean Washington State? connie On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:06:02 -0500 Ode Coyote writes: > Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I > estimated > that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build > this > small house for $3,000. > I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself. > > ode > > At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote: > > > >You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using > to get > >rid of possible pests... > > > >Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and > "cob". > >Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you > want > >to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive. > > > >Check out: > > > >http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html > > > >http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm > > > >http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5 > > > >How about this? (from the first link above) > > > >Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED > and > >reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from > nosy > >neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment > can > >enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable > piece of > >land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in > which > >to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how > to > >select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a > septic > >system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and > >refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, > soft > >cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE > > > >Dan > > > > > > > >Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? > >From: siriu...@aol.com > >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US? > > > >My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year > and > >rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea > of > >building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates. > > > >We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone > water > >rather than chlorine. > > > >The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of > wisdom > >for solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water > and > >cisterns etc? > > > >We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground > facility > >or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to > flooding > >and government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In > this > >case we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on > house > >buildin is appreciated. > > > >Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: > 11/11/2005 > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > Silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: > 11/11/2005 > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0 - Release Date: > 11/11/2005 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0 - Release Date: > 11/11/2005 > > > >
Re: CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
Living smack in the middle of tree farming/logging country, I estimated that I could have bought enough logs, cut and delivered, to build this small house for $3,000. I just couldn't figure out how to handle the tonnage by myself. ode At 10:46 PM 11/13/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to get >rid of possible pests... > >Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob". >Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you want >to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive. > >Check out: > >http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html > >http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm > >http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5 > >How about this? (from the first link above) > >Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED and >reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from nosy >neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment can >enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable piece of >land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in which >to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how to >select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a septic >system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and >refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, soft >cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE > >Dan > > > >Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? >From: siriu...@aol.com >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US? > >My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year and >rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea of >building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates. > >We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone water >rather than chlorine. > >The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of wisdom >for solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water and >cisterns etc? > >We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground facility >or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to flooding >and government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In this >case we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on house >buildin is appreciated. > >Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0 - Release Date: 11/11/2005
CS>CS >Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
Hi Dave. What amazes me is that they can still make those crates cheaper than sending them back. No wonder we have a trade deficit. You might want to look at the way they build houses in Brasil. They use brick,rebar and concrete. Now if you were to make you own bricks and mix your own concrete you would have a house, not in a earthquake area though. They even brick the inside walls. The inside walls are non supporting (similar to a office building with a false ceiling). After the brick they will put a concrete type of stucco on or tile it. Very easy to work with. Sam l. --- On Sun 11/13, Dan Nave < na...@comcast.net > wrote: From: Dan Nave [mailto: na...@comcast.net] To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:46:37 -0600 Subject: CS >Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to getrid of possible pests...Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob".Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you wantto live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive.Check out:http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.htmlhttp://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htmhttp://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5How about this? (from the first link above)Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED andreprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from nosyneighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment canenable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable piece ofland and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in whichto live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how toselect the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a septicsystem, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat andrefrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, softcover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HEREDanSubject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??From: siriu...@aol.comdate: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 ESTTo: silver-l...@eskimo.comode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US?My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year andrather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea ofbuilding one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates.We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone waterrather than chlorine.The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of wisdomfor solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water andcisterns etc?We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground facilityor NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to floodingand government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In thiscase we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on housebuildin is appreciated.Harper-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-l...@eskimo.comsilver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmlAddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comot Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.htmlList maintainer: Mike Devour ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
CS>Re: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing??
You may want to fumigate the Chinese shipping crates before using to get rid of possible pests... Also, check out "papercrete" and "padobe", "rammed earth" and "cob". Lots of interesting ways to build a house, depending on where you want to live, and some are very cheap but labor intensive. Check out: http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/cheap.html http://www.livinginpaper.com/index.htm http://axwoodfarm.com/house/index.php?inc=5 How about this? (from the first link above) Travel-Trailer Homesteading Under $5,000 by Brian Kelling. UPDATED and reprinted 8/1999. Tired of paying rent? Need privacy away from nosy neighbors? This book will show how a modest financial investment can enable you to place a travel-trailer or other RV on a suitable piece of land and make the necessary improvements for a comfortable home in which to live! This book covers the cost break-down, tools needed, how to select the land and travel-trailer or rv, and how to install a septic system, as well as water, power (including solar panels), heat and refrigeration systems. 1995, 5x8, 80 pages, illustrated, indexed, soft cover. #8006... $10.00... ORDER HERE Dan Subject: CSOde? Anyone? Ecologically sustainable housing?? From: siriu...@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:32:21 EST To: silver-list@eskimo.com Ode did I hear that you built your own house? Are you in the US? My husband and I are thinking of moving at the first of the year and rather than buying an existing house we are throwing around the idea of building one out of used/retired Chinese shipping crates. We need a pool because of his paralysis and I want to use ozone water rather than chlorine. The people on this list are Oh! so wise! any ideas and words of wisdom for solar panels vs. wind generators, water purifiers, well water and cisterns etc? We also toyed with the idea of buying a retired ATT underground facility or NIKE site but they are hard to find and are often prone to flooding and government use restrictions. We may end up inheriting one. In this case we will build a shipping crate house on top. Any input on house buildin is appreciated. Harper -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
