RE: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Thank you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it. Hi James and Marshall. The reason why sodium hydroxide is corrosive is that it can hold large amounts of OH- ions in solution. It is corrosive at pH14, but totally harmless at pH8, in fact it is good for you at pH8-9 and is no more than alkalised water. When one adds NaOH to water it more or less completely ionises, that is, it disassociates into its component ions Na+ and OH-, which then become free and dissolved. A solution of NaOH pH 7.4 has the same number of free OH- ions as blood, and could be safely injected into the blood stream. By your reasoning our blood contains sodium hydroxide. I have noticed this before, you guys seem to be intimidated by the name Lye, but it is nothing more than discrete sodium and hydroxyl ions swimming in water. You can do what ever you like to the Cl-, Ag+ or Na+, but if the OH- concentration stays the same the corrosiveness and pH of the solution is not altered. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2002 6:48 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it. Also, some very small portion of the water is ionized under standard conditions. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:01 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it. Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one makes the CS, when an oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during electrolysis, the remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver ion. So when salt is added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and the Cl swapping partners so to speak. That would give silver chloride and sodium hydroxide, or lye. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: Just to clear up a few things :) If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, then the talk of sodium hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ + Cl- = AgCl), and are called spectator ions. Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are already oxidised, sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently with water. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Humm , silver oxide battery run backwards..sorta? What would happen if you added salt to ionic silver water and put a voltmeter on the electrodes? K At 11:00 AM 8/31/02 -0400, you wrote: Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one makes the CS, when an oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during electrolysis, the remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver ion. So when salt is added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and the Cl swapping partners so to speak. That would give silver chloride and sodium hydroxide, or lye. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: Just to clear up a few things :) If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, then the talk of sodium hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ + Cl- = AgCl), and are called spectator ions. Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are already oxidised, sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently with water. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Ivan Anderson wrote: Hi James and Marshall. The reason why sodium hydroxide is corrosive is that it can hold large amounts of OH- ions in solution. It is corrosive at pH14, but totally harmless at pH8, in fact it is good for you at pH8-9 and is no more than alkalised water. When one adds NaOH to water it more or less completely ionises, that is, it disassociates into its component ions Na+ and OH-, which then become free and dissolved. A solution of NaOH pH 7.4 has the same number of free OH- ions as blood, and could be safely injected into the blood stream. By your reasoning our blood contains sodium hydroxide. I have noticed this before, you guys seem to be intimidated by the name Lye, but it is nothing more than discrete sodium and hydroxyl ions swimming in water. You can do what ever you like to the Cl-, Ag+ or Na+, but if the OH- concentration stays the same the corrosiveness and pH of the solution is not altered. I am not intimidated by the name Lye. I am aware of what you state above, and it is correct. I had at one time thought of suggesting that sodium hydroxide could be used as well as baking soda for neutralizing aloe vera when you add CS, but decided not to for two reasons. First, the possibility of getting lye directly on the skin while preparation would cause burns, and second, if too much was used, the final mix would be caustic. Baking soda is self limiting in this respect and thus much safer. Anyone that read ingredients like I do, would know that sodium hydroxide shows up many places, especially in many toiletries, such as shampoo. It is also a major component in many soaps. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Hi James and Marshall. The reason why sodium hydroxide is corrosive is that it can hold large amounts of OH- ions in solution. It is corrosive at pH14, but totally harmless at pH8, in fact it is good for you at pH8-9 and is no more than alkalised water. When one adds NaOH to water it more or less completely ionises, that is, it disassociates into its component ions Na+ and OH-, which then become free and dissolved. A solution of NaOH pH 7.4 has the same number of free OH- ions as blood, and could be safely injected into the blood stream. By your reasoning our blood contains sodium hydroxide. I have noticed this before, you guys seem to be intimidated by the name Lye, but it is nothing more than discrete sodium and hydroxyl ions swimming in water. You can do what ever you like to the Cl-, Ag+ or Na+, but if the OH- concentration stays the same the corrosiveness and pH of the solution is not altered. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2002 6:48 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it. Also, some very small portion of the water is ionized under standard conditions. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:01 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it. Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one makes the CS, when an oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during electrolysis, the remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver ion. So when salt is added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and the Cl swapping partners so to speak. That would give silver chloride and sodium hydroxide, or lye. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: Just to clear up a few things :) If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, then the talk of sodium hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ + Cl- = AgCl), and are called spectator ions. Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are already oxidised, sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently with water. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Just to clear up a few things :) If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, then the talk of sodium hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ + Cl- = AgCl), and are called spectator ions. Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are already oxidised, sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently with water. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one makes the CS, when an oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during electrolysis, the remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver ion. So when salt is added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and the Cl swapping partners so to speak. That would give silver chloride and sodium hydroxide, or lye. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: Just to clear up a few things :) If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, then the talk of sodium hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ + Cl- = AgCl), and are called spectator ions. Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are already oxidised, sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently with water. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it.
Also, some very small portion of the water is ionized under standard conditions. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:01 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSSodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of making it. Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one makes the CS, when an oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during electrolysis, the remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver ion. So when salt is added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and the Cl swapping partners so to speak. That would give silver chloride and sodium hydroxide, or lye. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: Just to clear up a few things :) If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, then the talk of sodium hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ + Cl- = AgCl), and are called spectator ions. Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are already oxidised, sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently with water. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
