Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
Hence, the proliferation of parasitic infections!!!? Let's take back our power! Susan V vzo...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jim, there is probably some organism that makes us pay taxes and tolerate a parasitic government. Take care, V How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? Normal rats avoid cat urine areas like the plague; they know they are more likely to be eaten where it is found. Toxoplasma gondii modifies that behavior so that the rat goes to a cat urine area and waits there to be eaten. The cat eats the rat. The gondii needs to live in the cat for part of its life cycle. It must live part of its life in a cat and part in a rat. How about that The point is that an organism can modify behavior of the host, to the benefit of the organism and the death of the host. There are several other examples in the article. Really spooky stuff. Think about genetically engineered variants of that organism. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
That is not the only parasite that does that as well. Leucochloridium paradoxum infect snails and birds, and when they are in the snails they move into the tentacles and begin to pulsate in there to attract a bird which then will peck it off and eat it and get infected. They also cause the snail to move out of hiding places into areas the birds will see them when it is light outside. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? Normal rats avoid cat urine areas like the plague; they know they are more likely to be eaten where it is found. Toxoplasma gondii modifies that behavior so that the rat goes to a cat urine area and waits there to be eaten. The cat eats the rat. The gondii needs to live in the cat for part of its life cycle. It must live part of its life in a cat and part in a rat. How about that The point is that an organism can modify behavior of the host, to the benefit of the organism and the death of the host. There are several other examples in the article. Really spooky stuff. Think about genetically engineered variants of that organism. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
Do we or are the parasites actually attempting to mutate and adapt to a higher more complex species? http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/toxoplasmosis/default.htm On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 13:06 Asia/Tokyo, Alfred Davis wrote: Cats benefit by having more rats to eat. Cats increase, rats decrease. Rats are destructive disease carriers, cats are not, and make nice pets.� Who benefits? Humans. � Al Davis � On 2/13/06, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: This is not quite clear to me.��How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Carol Ann ___ The Pessimist complains about the Wind; The Optimist expects it to change; The Realist adjusts the Sails. - The world needs more sailors. - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
CSToxoplasma gondii
That behavior modifying virus reminds me of the movie 28 days later. A virus takes over Great Britain and after 28 days everyone that is infected is turned into a blood-lusting zombie. It doesn't seem so far fetched now. woo WOO woo Kel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSToxoplasma gondii
I like the movie Flesh Gordon . In one scene a ray from the planet Porn causes everyone to rip off their clothes and begin having at it with whomever is nearby. -Original Message- From: Kelburn Koontz [mailto:kelbur...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSToxoplasma gondii That behavior modifying virus reminds me of the movie 28 days later. A virus takes over Great Britain and after 28 days everyone that is infected is turned into a blood-lusting zombie. It doesn't seem so far fetched now. woo WOO woo Kel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSToxoplasma gondii
Perhaps one reason that we seek and are receptive to this sort of information is that we are taking silver and it is killing the organisms. -Original Message- From: Susan [mailto:geoqu...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii Hence, the proliferation of parasitic infections!!!? Let's take back our power! Susan V vzo...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jim, there is probably some organism that makes us pay taxes and tolerate a parasitic government. Take care, V How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? Normal rats avoid cat urine areas like the plague; they know they are more likely to be eaten where it is found. Toxoplasma gondii modifies that behavior so that the rat goes to a cat urine area and waits there to be eaten. The cat eats the rat. The gondii needs to live in the cat for part of its life cycle. It must live part of its life in a cat and part in a rat. How about that The point is that an organism can modify behavior of the host, to the benefit of the organism and the death of the host. There are several other examples in the article. Really spooky stuff. Think about genetically engineered variants of that organism. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- _ Yahoo! Mail Use http://pa.yahoo.com/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=38867/*http:/photomail.mail. yahoo.com Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
RE: CSToxoplasma gondii
The parasite will DIE if it cannot complete the part of its life cycle in a cat. Man does not benefit from all of this; Man can be with the organism. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii This does not explain how the parasite benefits, which is my question. JBB On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 13:06 Asia/Tokyo, Alfred Davis wrote: Cats benefit by having more rats to eat. Cats increase, rats decrease. Rats are destructive disease carriers, cats are not, and make nice pets. Who benefits? Humans. Al Davis On 2/13/06, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
I knew there was a reason for such alien behavior. Have we already been invaded? stuff At 11:46 PM 2/13/2006, you wrote: Hi Jim, there is probably some organism that makes us pay taxes and tolerate a parasitic government. Take care, V -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
I assume then, that I am not infected with Toxoplasma gondii since I assiduously avoid places that have been doused with cat's urine. Dan Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net 2/12/2006 12:53:17 PM Toxoplasma Parasite Mind Control Half of the world's human population is infected with Toxoplasma. Parasites in the body - and the brain. Remember that. Toxoplasma gondii is a common parasite found in the guts of cats; it sheds eggs that are picked up by rats and other animals that are eaten by cats. Toxoplasma forms cysts in the bodies of the intermediate rat hosts, including the brain. Since cats don't want to eat dead, decaying prey, Toxoplasma takes the evolutionarily sound course of being a good parasite, leaving the rats perfectly healthy. Or are they? (Toxoplasma gondii) Oxford scientists discovered that the minds of the infected rats have been subtly altered. In a series of experiments, they demonstrated that healthy rats will prudently avoid areas that have been doused with cat urine. In fact, when scientists test anti-anxiety drugs on rats, they use a whiff of cat urine to induce neurochemical panic. However, it turns out that Toxoplasma-ridden rats show no such reaction. In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. If the parasite can alter rat behavior, does it have any effect on humans? Dr. E. Fuller Torrey (Associate Director for Laboratory Research at the Stanley Medical Research Institute) noticed links between Toxoplasma and schizophrenia in human beings, approximately three billion of whom are infected with T. gondii: Toxoplasma infection is associated with damage to astrocytes, glial cells which surround and support neurons. Schizophrenia is also associated with damage to astrocytes. Pregnant women with high levels of antibodies to Toxoplasma are more likely to give birth to children who will develop schizophrenia. Human cells raised in petri dishes, and infected with Toxoplasma, will respond to drugs like haloperidol; the growth of the parasite stops. Haloperidol is an antipsychotic, used to treat schizophrenia. Dr. Torrey got together with the Oxford scientists, to see if anything could be done about those parasite-controlled rats who were driven to hang around cat urine-soaked corners (waiting for cats). According to a recent press release, it turns out that haloperidol restores the rat's healthy fear of cat urine. In fact, antipsychotic drugs were as effective as pyrimethamine, a drug that specifically eliminates Toxoplasma. Are parasites like Toxoplasma subtly altering human behavior? As it turns out, science fiction writers have been thinking about whether or not parasites could alter a human being's behavior, or even take control of a person. In his 1951 novel The Puppet Masters, Robert Heinlein wrote about alien parasites the size of dinner plates that took control of the minds of their hosts, flooding their brains with neurochemicals. In this excerpt, a volunteer strapped to a chair allows a parasite to be introduced; the parasite rides him, taking over his mind. Under these conditions, it is possible to interview the parasite; however, it refuses to answer until zapped with a cattle prod. He reached past my shoulders with a rod. I felt a shocking, unbearable pain. The room blacked out as if a switch had been thrown.. I was split apart by it; for the moment I was masterless. The pain left, leaving only its searing memory behind. Before I could speak, or even think coherently for myself, the splitting away had ended and I was again safe in the arms of my master... The panic that possessed me washed away; I was again filled with an unworried sense of well being... What are you? We are the people... We have studied you and we know your ways... We come, I went on, to bring you peace.. and contentment-and the joy of-of surrender. I hesitated again; surrender was not the right word. I struggled with it the way one struggles with a poorly grasped foreign language. The joy, I repeated, -the joy of . . .nirvana. That was it; the word fitted. I felt like a dog being patted for fetching a stick; I wriggled with pleasure. Still not sure that parasites can manipulate the behavior of host organisms? Consider these other cases: The lancet fluke Dicrocoelium dendriticum forces its ant host to attach to the tips of grass blades, the easier to be eaten. The fluke needs to get into the gut of a grazing animal to complete its life cycle. The fluke Euhaplorchis californiensis causes fish to shimmy and jump so wading birds will grab them and eat them, for the same reason. Hairworms, which live inside grasshoppers, sabotage the grasshopper's central nervous system, forcing them to jump into pools of water, drowning themselves. Hairworms then swim away from their hapless hosts to continue their life cycle. Not all science-fictional
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
Cats benefit by having more rats to eat. Cats increase, rats decrease. Rats are destructive disease carriers, cats are not, and make nice pets. Who benefits? Humans. Al Davis On 2/13/06, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSToxoplasma gondii
How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? Normal rats avoid cat urine areas like the plague; they know they are more likely to be eaten where it is found. Toxoplasma gondii modifies that behavior so that the rat goes to a cat urine area and waits there to be eaten. The cat eats the rat. The gondii needs to live in the cat for part of its life cycle. It must live part of its life in a cat and part in a rat. How about that The point is that an organism can modify behavior of the host, to the benefit of the organism and the death of the host. There are several other examples in the article. Really spooky stuff. Think about genetically engineered variants of that organism. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
Hi Jim, there is probably some organism that makes us pay taxes and tolerate a parasitic government. Take care, V How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? Normal rats avoid cat urine areas like the plague; they know they are more likely to be eaten where it is found. Toxoplasma gondii modifies that behavior so that the rat goes to a cat urine area and waits there to be eaten. The cat eats the rat. The gondii needs to live in the cat for part of its life cycle. It must live part of its life in a cat and part in a rat. How about that The point is that an organism can modify behavior of the host, to the benefit of the organism and the death of the host. There are several other examples in the article. Really spooky stuff. Think about genetically engineered variants of that organism. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSToxoplasma gondii This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? If the parasite can survive in rats, why would there be a need for infected rats to be killed by cats? This is the only means by which I can imagine some benefit to the parasite, that is, a chance to infect more cats. Is the rat not as good a host? Its not clear. Also not clear is what benefit to the parasite human infestation might yield. The information is very interesting, but some key details are missing I think. I can't quite follow it. Can anyone clarify? On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 00:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: In fact, some of the infected rats actually seek out the cat urine-marked areas again and again. The parasite alters the mind (and thus the behavior) of the rat for its own benefit. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
This does not explain how the parasite benefits, which is my question. JBB On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 13:06 Asia/Tokyo, Alfred Davis wrote: Cats benefit by having more rats to eat. Cats increase, rats decrease. Rats are destructive disease carriers, cats are not, and make nice pets. Who benefits? Humans. Al Davis On 2/13/06, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: This is not quite clear to me. How does the parasite benefit from rats going to areas in which cats have urinated? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxoplasma gondii
If that is correct, about the cat being an essential part of the life cycle, then I understand the benefit to the parasite. The original posting did not make this explicit. As for spooky, yes, indeed. I have a recent book of nature photographs depicting South American ants taken over by some kind of spore. The ants essentially go mad, climb tall trees, attach themselves to leaves, and die. The spores burst out of the ants' heads, grow, and fall to forest floor, to perpetuate the cycle. Ghastly. JBB On Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006, at 14:08 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote: The cat eats the rat. The gondii needs to live in the cat for part of its life cycle. It must live part of its life in a cat and part in a rat. How about that -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
