CSWARNING! from list owner

2010-10-04 Thread M. G. Devour
I'm always amazed at the difference 24 hours can make. Things weren't 
going too bad, until somebody decided they are going to try to run the 
list for me.

Robert offered what I would consider a prescription for a spiritual 
healing modality, little different than EFT or Reiki or other 'energy 
healing' or otherwise non-physical techniques that sometimes pop up in 
discussions here.

As odd as it may seem to those who are particularly sensitive to the G-
word, it was actually a technical post, if largely off topic.

I never have and do not now intend for those types of contributions to 
become a frequent feature of the list or to overwhelm our discussions.

That said, Robert's infraction of the list rules was of such a 
negligible nature that I would only have cautioned him about it, 
gently, and only if he'd showed signs of making a habit of it.

The response to Robert's post by Dave and a few others is a more 
serious problem.

The list rule prohibiting discussion of religion and politics is not 
intended as a WEAPON to be used by members to enforce THEIR will on 
other members, but a tool for each member to guide their OWN behavior.

Dave labelling Robert's post as ... a bunch of obscene bull shit is 
an attack that is entirely out of proportion to the provocation and not 
behavior I intend to tolerate toward *ANY* of my members.

First and most obvious, Dave does NOT run the list, I do. It's not his 
or any other member's job to discipline other members or to complain 
about their behavior on-list. Such public complaints are disruptive in 
themselves and are also clearly against the same rules he was so quick 
to invoke.

Your job as members is to contact me privately when, in your opinion,  
something is going wrong on the list. I will happily accept such input 
and use it to guide my moderation, many times acting behind the scenes 
to coach people toward the expected behavior.

That's my job, use me.

Second, the prohibition on discussions of religion, spirtuality, or the 
metaphysical is not the same as intolerance OF those beliefs. As I say 
in the list rules...

 I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think,
 however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are
 acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers
 will not be seen as a transgression. 

Yes, Robert's offering was outside those guidelines and not the kind of 
thing I am going to encourage routinely, but I will also not allow the 
creation of an environment which is HOSTILE to those who so believe.

Intolerance of spirituality is no better or worse in my eyes, as the 
person who has to moderate the discussion, than the religious 
intolerance that causes such topics to rapidly descend to the very 
flames of hell in the first place.  

So...

Tolerance is called for on both sides... ALL sides. 

Public complaints about other members' behavior or actions are not 
appropriate or allowed. 

Aggressive behavior toward other members, who are also my guests here, 
is *still* prohibited.

Lastly, since at least one person mentioned it, let me remind you all 
that I also consider assaultive or aggressive behavior in private e-
mail to other members inappropriate. If you receive such items and they 
concern you, let me know. Participation in this list should not result 
in anyone being subjected to such things.

For your reference, the list rules reside at www.silverlist.org ... 
Please re-read them and contact me if you have any further questions.

Let the thread die now. Don't respond if somebody else does before they 
see this message. It may take another day or two for it to completely 
end. Let it.

Thank you,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSWARNING! from list owner

2010-10-04 Thread kaykelly
please remove me. I have tried to opt out of the group but that didn't work. 

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Sent: Oct 3, 2010 9:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: zebulan5...@yahoo.com, davedar...@gmail.com
Subject: CSWARNING! from list owner

I'm always amazed at the difference 24 hours can make. Things weren't 
going too bad, until somebody decided they are going to try to run the 
list for me.

Robert offered what I would consider a prescription for a spiritual 
healing modality, little different than EFT or Reiki or other 'energy 
healing' or otherwise non-physical techniques that sometimes pop up in 
discussions here.

As odd as it may seem to those who are particularly sensitive to the G-
word, it was actually a technical post, if largely off topic.

I never have and do not now intend for those types of contributions to 
become a frequent feature of the list or to overwhelm our discussions.

That said, Robert's infraction of the list rules was of such a 
negligible nature that I would only have cautioned him about it, 
gently, and only if he'd showed signs of making a habit of it.

The response to Robert's post by Dave and a few others is a more 
serious problem.

The list rule prohibiting discussion of religion and politics is not 
intended as a WEAPON to be used by members to enforce THEIR will on 
other members, but a tool for each member to guide their OWN behavior.

Dave labelling Robert's post as ... a bunch of obscene bull shit is 
an attack that is entirely out of proportion to the provocation and not 
behavior I intend to tolerate toward *ANY* of my members.

First and most obvious, Dave does NOT run the list, I do. It's not his 
or any other member's job to discipline other members or to complain 
about their behavior on-list. Such public complaints are disruptive in 
themselves and are also clearly against the same rules he was so quick 
to invoke.

Your job as members is to contact me privately when, in your opinion,  
something is going wrong on the list. I will happily accept such input 
and use it to guide my moderation, many times acting behind the scenes 
to coach people toward the expected behavior.

That's my job, use me.

Second, the prohibition on discussions of religion, spirtuality, or the 
metaphysical is not the same as intolerance OF those beliefs. As I say 
in the list rules...

 I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think,
 however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are
 acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers
 will not be seen as a transgression. 

Yes, Robert's offering was outside those guidelines and not the kind of 
thing I am going to encourage routinely, but I will also not allow the 
creation of an environment which is HOSTILE to those who so believe.

Intolerance of spirituality is no better or worse in my eyes, as the 
person who has to moderate the discussion, than the religious 
intolerance that causes such topics to rapidly descend to the very 
flames of hell in the first place.  

So...

Tolerance is called for on both sides... ALL sides. 

Public complaints about other members' behavior or actions are not 
appropriate or allowed. 

Aggressive behavior toward other members, who are also my guests here, 
is *still* prohibited.

Lastly, since at least one person mentioned it, let me remind you all 
that I also consider assaultive or aggressive behavior in private e-
mail to other members inappropriate. If you receive such items and they 
concern you, let me know. Participation in this list should not result 
in anyone being subjected to such things.

For your reference, the list rules reside at www.silverlist.org ... 
Please re-read them and contact me if you have any further questions.

Let the thread die now. Don't respond if somebody else does before they 
see this message. It may take another day or two for it to completely 
end. Let it.

Thank you,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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