Re: CSYO YO EIS
OKay, ! So it looks like if you add stuff to the distilled water then conductivity jumps. :-) I haven't got graph paper at hand but sketching that looks like a nice smooth curve through the ends of the jumps. Adding citric acid seems to increase by about 1.35 of previous citric acid jump and adding h2o2 seem to be about 22% of the previous citric acid jump, except the pegged data may be a bit cramped. It doesn't seem to go backwards like you said I think! !? Hmm, its all a bit hectic and interesting. Where does it stop? ( my guess is that it levels off at about 300 after about 6 to 8 AddAdds ; something like that.) Does working with diluted reagents make a difference? Do the numbers change with time? ( if you keep a sample of each jump does it change with time? ) Thinks: To see if there is a difference I'd maybe do a bunch of runs with distilled water as a control and the EIS , and see if there is a difference between the two. Then you'd have to do another set on each AddAdd, of what happens with time. That's what we are looking for yes? Have fun, Tony On 18 Apr 2010 at 17:24, poast wrote about : Subject : Re: CSYO YO EIS Hello Tony, My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS. Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS. 200 uS is the upper limit of my meter. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the conductivity OK, tony On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about : Subject : CSYO YO EIS I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Roger, I made 2 calibration solutions. I first used the supplied calibration solution to calibrate my meter. Then I mixed my solutions and tested them. This gives me a primary calibration, and two secondary check points. I put 1 ml of PH 7 test solution in 499 ml of my tap water. This gives me 123 uS. I then put 1 ml of PH 7 test solution in 499 ml of distilled water. This gives me 30 uS. Since I use PH meters a lot, I have a lot of the test solutions and keep them fresh. I don't know if the conductivity will vary from batch to batch, but I will have to go through a liter of my test solution before I will find out. Tom - Original Message - From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Just as a matter of interest. Does anyone know how to make/mix the calibration solution for a pH meter? Cheers, Roger B NZ On 19/04/2010, at 2:24 PM, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Tony, Yes, this could turn into a major project... I will have to think about this before I decide if it has any real value. I was very pleased to see the reaction reverse, and was even more pleased to see reverse several times. Right now I am stuck with a solution that keeps using up the ascorbic acid, then turns clear again. More head scratching. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS OKay, ! So it looks like if you add stuff to the distilled water then conductivity jumps. :-) I haven't got graph paper at hand but sketching that looks like a nice smooth curve through the ends of the jumps. Adding citric acid seems to increase by about 1.35 of previous citric acid jump and adding h2o2 seem to be about 22% of the previous citric acid jump, except the pegged data may be a bit cramped. It doesn't seem to go backwards like you said I think! !? Hmm, its all a bit hectic and interesting. Where does it stop? ( my guess is that it levels off at about 300 after about 6 to 8 AddAdds ; something like that.) Does working with diluted reagents make a difference? Do the numbers change with time? ( if you keep a sample of each jump does it change with time? ) Thinks: To see if there is a difference I'd maybe do a bunch of runs with distilled water as a control and the EIS , and see if there is a difference between the two. Then you'd have to do another set on each AddAdd, of what happens with time. That's what we are looking for yes? Have fun, Tony On 18 Apr 2010 at 17:24, poast wrote about : Subject : Re: CSYO YO EIS Hello Tony, My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS. Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS. 200 uS is the upper limit of my meter. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the conductivity OK, tony On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about : Subject : CSYO YO EIS I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Thanks Tom, I'll certainly give this a try. Will make my bought test solution go a lot further. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 20/04/2010, at 12:55 PM, poast wrote: Hello Roger, I made 2 calibration solutions. I first used the supplied calibration solution to calibrate my meter. Then I mixed my solutions and tested them. This gives me a primary calibration, and two secondary check points. I put 1 ml of PH 7 test solution in 499 ml of my tap water. This gives me 123 uS. I then put 1 ml of PH 7 test solution in 499 ml of distilled water. This gives me 30 uS. Since I use PH meters a lot, I have a lot of the test solutions and keep them fresh. I don't know if the conductivity will vary from batch to batch, but I will have to go through a liter of my test solution before I will find out. Tom - Original Message - From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Just as a matter of interest. Does anyone know how to make/mix the calibration solution for a pH meter? Cheers, Roger B NZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
This is the stuff pioneers are made of Tom! dee On 18 Apr 2010, at 06:22, poast wrote: Hello Dee, I would like to know what I ended up with too. The problem is that I only seem to be able to make clear EIS. Clear can be boring at times, so I thought I would spice things up a little... :) Actually I was just interested to see if the process was reversible. That part of the test was successful. The problem with testing is that while you do answer some questions, you often are left with may unanswered ones. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi Tom, We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put forth, or straight EIS. I doubt there's anything to be gained by titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator; stick to plain silver citrate. Adding H2O2 to EIS? I dunno, some people do, some don't. I make mine as clean as I can and take it straight. I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the wiser. Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid reactions are as a tiny example of that! Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Tony, My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS. Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS. 200 uS is the upper limit of my meter. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the conductivity OK, tony On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about : Subject : CSYO YO EIS I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put forth, or straight EIS. I doubt there's anything to be gained by titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator; stick to plain silver citrate. Adding H2O2 to EIS? I dunno, some people do, some don't. I make mine as clean as I can and take it straight. I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the wiser. Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid reactions are as a tiny example of that! Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi Tom, Cool. Did you get any bubbles with the sodium bicarbonate? Wonder where the CO3 - or 2 part went? Possibly the silver is oxidised and lying at the bottom all tuckered out (my WAG), possibly you've made some sodium ascorbate from the baking soda?? The color effect might be the difference between what colors your brew Transmits; i.e. dark amber, and what it Reflects; bluish grey? If no Tyndall, how come the diff between transmitted and reflected light? Tyndall doesn't just mean big enough to see sparklies, ya know, so what is interfering with the light? - truly tiny microscopic particles, I'd guess, so Tyndall-time. And another angle is the sorta complementary relationship (color-wheel) between amber and blue-grey. Well, hey; onward and upward M. On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 18:24 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put forth, or straight EIS. I doubt there's anything to be gained by titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator; stick to plain silver citrate. Adding H2O2 to EIS? I dunno, some people do, some don't. I make mine as clean as I can and take it straight. I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the wiser. Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid reactions are as a tiny example of that! Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Just as a matter of interest. Does anyone know how to make/mix the calibration solution for a pH meter? Cheers, Roger B NZ On 19/04/2010, at 2:24 PM, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
I would love to know what you ended up with Tom! and I worry about a couple of drops of H202 and a slightly yellow solution! lol dee On 17 Apr 2010, at 06:09, poast wrote: I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS...OH~NO...IT'S DEMONIC?
Concur with Malcolm...ya need-to-call TOP...Royal Alchemist...ASAP! Since (original) EIS...fixed-amount of Silver (Particles Ag+ ions)..??? Are EXTRA-IONS originating from THE Ascorbic ACID, or DAEMONS? LoL...why is Tom, trying to 'exOrcise' his EIS...unless, it's DEMONIC? 2nd-Opinion, Dok Dallas... === --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 10:01 PM Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 21:09 -0800, poast wrote: I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Dee, I would like to know what I ended up with too. The problem is that I only seem to be able to make clear EIS. Clear can be boring at times, so I thought I would spice things up a little... :) Actually I was just interested to see if the process was reversible. That part of the test was successful. The problem with testing is that while you do answer some questions, you often are left with may unanswered ones. Tom - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:36 AM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS I would love to know what you ended up with Tom! and I worry about a couple of drops of H202 and a slightly yellow solution! lol dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi Tom, How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the conductivity OK, tony On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about : Subject : CSYO YO EIS I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSYO YO EIS
I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 21:09 -0800, poast wrote: I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
