Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
ay cphel thuh caim whey, dowen't yah noe... - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart! On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:03:11 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Ole Bob Electircal Engineer WOT's a Electircal Engineer??? Chuck Capt'n! The spellchecker kinna take this abuse! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
Interesting article. I've read other things about this technology and it is real, as far as I can tell. There is some discussion of this over on the Silver Off Topic List, in case you're interested. Please don't reply to it here. You can view the OT list on the web at: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html If you're a member of this list, you can post to the Off Topic list by sending your message to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com ... Instructions for receiving the OT list in e-mail can be found at: http://www.silverlist.org ... by clicking on the Off Topic List link. Jay posted: Below is an article Read it or don't. It says that tracking chips will randomly be placed on items sold from Wal*Mart, then all stores will have 'em on merchandise. It will record your life.. in short. Tell them how you live...what you buy...etc...etc. It's the size of a grain of sand, that you won't notice. Send a complaint to wal*mart and congress, etc. Ice Thanks, Jay. Thank you for your cooperation, everyone. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
My response on the Off Topic list: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/m2633.html It'd be best if we pursued this there. Mike D. Jim wrote: Don't believe this stuff, transmitters need a battery, how would they be able to hide a battery large enough for the transmitter to send info without wearing out extremely fast? There is no such transmitter the size of a grain of sand and if there were they would probably cost more to make then the cost of the merchandise. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
Don't believe this stuff, transmitters need a battery, how would they be able to hide a battery large enough for the transmitter to send info without wearing out extremely fast? There is no such transmitter the size of a grain of sand and if there were they would probably cost more to make then the cost of the merchandise. Jim Jay Ice wrote: Below is an article Read it or don't. It says that tracking chips will randomly be placed on items sold from Wal*Mart, then all stores will have 'em on merchandise. It will record your life.. in short. Tellthem how you live...what you buy...etc...etc. It's the size of a grain of sand, that you won't notice.Send a complaint to wal*mart and congress, etc. Ice NewsWithViews.com http://www.newswithviews.com/ BIG BROTHER COMES TO WAL-MART http://www.newswithviews.com/Mary/starrett14.htm By Mary Starrett June 11, 2003 Starting this week, the nation's largest discount retailer will quietly begin selling tracking-chipped products to clueless shoppers. The first volley in their war against our privacy is set to start at their Brockton, Massachusetts store. Wal-Mart will put Radio Frequency I.D. sensors on shelves stocked with RFID-tagged Gillette products, but they'd rather you didn't know about it, because, hey, you might not like it, and then you might make noise and then they'd have a big PR mess on their hands. You might even stop buying Gillette products or, say, refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. These chips, researched at M.I.T.'s Auto-ID Center are about the size of a grain of sand. Chipsters say the technology will only be used to help retailers keep track of inventory - like bar codes. But privacy-loving consumers question the very concept of a device that sends out radio waves to "readers" that not only identify the article, but where and with whom it's going. The Big Brother implications of this thing need little hyping to get your skin crawling. Wal-Mart's putting the pressure on its top 100 suppliers to make sure their inventory is all chipped by the end of next year. But why start this in Brockton, Mass? Could it be because the store's customers are typically lower income minorities who'd be less likely to be aware of the tracking devices, and even less likely to make a fuss about them? Their thinking? Let's foist it on folks who're too concerned about paying the electric bill to be aware of these types of issues. Retailers are SUPPOSED to alert their customers to the tracking chips and offer to "kill" the tags at the checkout counter. Don't count on it, because what you don't know won't hurt you, right? And to PROVE those RFID tags won't be "killed" at the cash register one of the ways they're planning on convincing you, the shopper that these tags are A-OK is by touting how "hassle-free" returns will be. Huh? If the tags are supposedly turned off at purchase, how can they be read after the item's brought back to the store? Just one of the myriad lies you'll be told about this technology. Are we to expect that in addition to being asked the "paper or plastic" question we'll get an option on whether the RFID tags are left on or turned off? Not only will consumers be witnessing the death throes of privacy, but it's going to cost them. Currently, the chips cost about 60 cents each. Add that to the cost of each and every item that uses this Orwellian technology. Gillette and Wal-Mart are only the pioneers here, the stated plan is to affix each item produced on the planet with RFID tags. Each pack of gum, each roll of film, each bottle of Merlot. So what's a freedom-loving shopper to do? Fortunately for us, there's a really smart lady finishing up a Ph.D. at Harvard. She started a group that's bellowing out the urgency of fighting this technology; her name is Katherine Albrecht and she's founder of CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion And Numbering). Albrecht's CASPIAN has proposed a piece of federal legislation called "RFID RIGHT TO KNOW ACT OF 2003". It's a law that would let consumers know which products had tracking chips attached to them. In short, the proposed bill would amend the Fair Packaging and Labeling Program by adding language that requires manufacturers to state (in a conspicuous location) that the package contains a radio frequency identification tag that can transmit unique identification information to a "reader" device both before and AFTER it's purchased(!). This is where you come in. The bill needs a sponsor. Maybe YOUR Congressional Representative would like to go on
RE: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
Probably the reader induces a current in the chip that powers the chip. The distance from which it can be read is probably very short. The chip cannot write new information to itself when it is with you after you leave the store. The problem is not that they will put these devices on merchandise. The problem is that they will put these devices in you. This is an OT silver list subject. JOH -Original Message- From: Jim Thibeault [mailto:kf4...@papadocs.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart! Don't believe this stuff, transmitters need a battery, how would they be able to hide a battery large enough for the transmitter to send info without wearing out extremely fast? There is no such transmitter the size of a grain of sand and if there were they would probably cost more to make then the cost of the merchandise. Jim Jay Ice wrote: Below is an article Read it or don't. It says that tracking chips will randomly be placed on items sold from Wal*Mart, then all stores will have 'em on merchandise. It will record your life.. in short. Tell them how you live...what you buy...etc...etc. It's the size of a grain of sand, that you won't notice. Send a complaint to wal*mart and congress, etc. Ice NewsWithViews.com http://www.newswithviews.com/ BIG BROTHER COMES TO WAL-MART http://www.newswithviews.com/Mary/starrett14.htm By Mary Starrett June 11, 2003 Starting this week, the nation's largest discount retailer will quietly begin selling tracking-chipped products to clueless shoppers. The first volley in their war against our privacy is set to start at their Brockton, Massachusetts store. Wal-Mart will put Radio Frequency I.D. sensors on shelves stocked with RFID-tagged Gillette products, but they'd rather you didn't know about it, because, hey, you might not like it, and then you might make noise and then they'd have a big PR mess on their hands. You might even stop buying Gillette products or, say, refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. These chips, researched at M.I.T.'s Auto-ID Center are about the size of a grain of sand. Chipsters say the technology will only be used to help retailers keep track of inventory - like bar codes. But privacy-loving consumers question the very concept of a device that sends out radio waves to readers that not only identify the article, but where and with whom it's going. The Big Brother implications of this thing need little hyping to get your skin crawling. Wal-Mart's putting the pressure on its top 100 suppliers to make sure their inventory is all chipped by the end of next year. But why start this in Brockton, Mass? Could it be because the store's customers are typically lower income minorities who'd be less likely to be aware of the tracking devices, and even less likely to make a fuss about them? Their thinking? Let's foist it on folks who're too concerned about paying the electric bill to be aware of these types of issues. Retailers are SUPPOSED to alert their customers to the tracking chips and offer to kill the tags at the checkout counter. Don't count on it, because what you don't know won't hurt you, right? And to PROVE those RFID tags won't be killed at the cash register one of the ways they're planning on convincing you, the shopper that these tags are A-OK is by touting how hassle-free returns will be. Huh? If the tags are supposedly turned off at purchase, how can they be read after the item's brought back to the store? Just one of the myriad lies you'll be told about this technology. Are we to expect that in addition to being asked the paper or plastic question we'll get an option on whether the RFID tags are left on or turned off? Not only will consumers be witnessing the death throes of privacy, but it's going to cost them. Currently, the chips cost about 60 cents each. Add that to the cost of each and every item that uses this Orwellian technology. Gillette and Wal-Mart are only the pioneers here, the stated plan is to affix each item produced on the planet with RFID tags. Each pack of gum, each roll of film, each bottle of Merlot. So what's a freedom-loving shopper to do? Fortunately for us, there's a really smart lady finishing up a Ph.D. at Harvard. She started a group that's bellowing out the urgency of fighting this technology; her name is Katherine Albrecht and she's founder of CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion And Numbering). Albrecht's CASPIAN has proposed a piece of federal legislation called RFID RIGHT TO KNOW ACT OF 2003. It's a law that would let consumers know which products had tracking chips attached to them. In short, the proposed bill would amend the Fair Packaging and Labeling Program by adding language that requires manufacturers to state (in a conspicuous location) that the package contains a radio frequency identification tag
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
Jim, It istrue that a transmitter needs a battery, but there are many devices the respond with a signal when interrogated with an RF signal. For example the rice sized grain that is currently beingimplanted into animalsfor identification. The device is read by the process mentioned. One can have a pet code for about $15.00 and it is then registered. The unit is made in Florida and has been suggested for use in humans for identification. That has caused much anger in the religious community as satan's world wide numbering system. Ole Bob Electircal Engineer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:03:11 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Ole Bob Electircal Engineer WOT's a Electircal Engineer??? Chuck Capt'n! The spellchecker kinna take this abuse! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Chuck, Some people transpose numbers, my fingers transpose letters. Generally the word the comes out hte or th e. Its called old age!!! Try it some time!! OLD BOB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:59:57 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Its called old age!!! Try it some time!! OLD BOB Heh, Nicest thing you ever said to me, Bob! I'm a retired old f**t, too. Chuck C:\BELFRY is where I keep my .BAT files. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well we may not type the best in the world but we have did something a lot of these young people will never do, Get old. Sincerely Yours, Hank - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart! On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:59:57 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Its called old age!!! Try it some time!! OLD BOB Heh, Nicest thing you ever said to me, Bob! I'm a retired old f**t, too. Chuck C:\BELFRY is where I keep my .BAT files. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03
RE: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
Wow!! I thought that only happened to me. Ahhh to find a kinsman after all this time. I thought my fingers were dyslexic. -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart! Chuck, Some people transpose numbers, my fingers transpose letters. Generally the word the comes out hte or th e. Its called old age!!! Try it some time!! OLD BOB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSYour life is being monitored by wal*mart!
Below is an article Read it or don't. It says that tracking chips will randomly be placed on items sold from Wal*Mart, then all stores will have 'em on merchandise. It will record your life.. in short. Tell them how you live...what you buy...etc...etc. It's the size of a grain of sand, that you won't notice. Send a complaint to wal*mart and congress, etc. Ice NewsWithViews.com http://www.newswithviews.com/ BIG BROTHER COMES TO WAL-MART http://www.newswithviews.com/Mary/starrett14.htm By Mary Starrett June 11, 2003 Starting this week, the nation's largest discount retailer will quietly begin selling tracking-chipped products to clueless shoppers. The first volley in their war against our privacy is set to start at their Brockton, Massachusetts store. Wal-Mart will put Radio Frequency I.D. sensors on shelves stocked with RFID-tagged Gillette products, but they'd rather you didn't know about it, because, hey, you might not like it, and then you might make noise and then they'd have a big PR mess on their hands. You might even stop buying Gillette products or, say, refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. These chips, researched at M.I.T.'s Auto-ID Center are about the size of a grain of sand. Chipsters say the technology will only be used to help retailers keep track of inventory - like bar codes. But privacy-loving consumers question the very concept of a device that sends out radio waves to readers that not only identify the article, but where and with whom it's going. The Big Brother implications of this thing need little hyping to get your skin crawling. Wal-Mart's putting the pressure on its top 100 suppliers to make sure their inventory is all chipped by the end of next year. But why start this in Brockton, Mass? Could it be because the store's customers are typically lower income minorities who'd be less likely to be aware of the tracking devices, and even less likely to make a fuss about them? Their thinking? Let's foist it on folks who're too concerned about paying the electric bill to be aware of these types of issues. Retailers are SUPPOSED to alert their customers to the tracking chips and offer to kill the tags at the checkout counter. Don't count on it, because what you don't know won't hurt you, right? And to PROVE those RFID tags won't be killed at the cash register one of the ways they're planning on convincing you, the shopper that these tags are A-OK is by touting how hassle-free returns will be. Huh? If the tags are supposedly turned off at purchase, how can they be read after the item's brought back to the store? Just one of the myriad lies you'll be told about this technology. Are we to expect that in addition to being asked the paper or plastic question we'll get an option on whether the RFID tags are left on or turned off? Not only will consumers be witnessing the death throes of privacy, but it's going to cost them. Currently, the chips cost about 60 cents each. Add that to the cost of each and every item that uses this Orwellian technology. Gillette and Wal-Mart are only the pioneers here, the stated plan is to affix each item produced on the planet with RFID tags. Each pack of gum, each roll of film, each bottle of Merlot. So what's a freedom-loving shopper to do? Fortunately for us, there's a really smart lady finishing up a Ph.D. at Harvard. She started a group that's bellowing out the urgency of fighting this technology; her name is Katherine Albrecht and she's founder of CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion And Numbering). Albrecht's CASPIAN has proposed a piece of federal legislation called RFID RIGHT TO KNOW ACT OF 2003. It's a law that would let consumers know which products had tracking chips attached to them. In short, the proposed bill would amend the Fair Packaging and Labeling Program by adding language that requires manufacturers to state (in a conspicuous location) that the package contains a radio frequency identification tag that can transmit unique identification information to a reader device both before and AFTER it's purchased(!). This is where you come in. The bill needs a sponsor. Maybe YOUR Congressional Representative would like to go on record as having helped stop this assault on our privacy. Forward this article to him/her and tell them the entire text of the bill can been seen at nocards.org. Will you make it a point to email, call or fax your representative today, before our Big Brother gets any bigger? Do it NOW before the lobbyists and big
