RE: CSfish aquarium air bubbler
Marshall, You seem so sure that silver oxide exists in CS solutions ...why? There is little, if any, molecular oxygen atoms in d. water, and none produced at the anode, if silver is being ionised there as silver ionises at 0.79V as opposed to the 1.6V (or there abouts) required to rip oxygen from water molecules. It is my understanding that the colour of CS solutions is a result of the particle size. The greyish build up on the cathode is simply reduced silver ions, ie silver metal fluff. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Marshall Jeffus [mailto:marshalljef...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 1:08 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSfish aquarium air bubbler Thanks for the excellent suggestion. Perhaps the bubbler whisks away silver before it has a chance to burn. If that's the case, it's the movement of water that's important. Burnt silver - that's silver oxide, of course, which adds color to CS. The darker the color, the more of it, so I understand. Also, what do you notice in the way of oxide buildup on the electrode: the grayish solid stuff. Less or none? What is your generator type? LVDC or otherwise, what voltage/amperage. I'm new to all this and trying to find out what is the best setup. One other thing: what is your concentration (ppm). My understanding is that the clearer the liquid, the finer the particles. Thanks for replying. Like I said, I'm new to all this and am really grateful for any input any of you may have out there on getting a quality generator up and running. Thanks, Marshall PS Melvin Wolf says that adding a very small drop of honey in distilled water helps a lot. Something about how it fixes the electrical/magnetic properties of the water and allows for good conduction without adding electrolyte. Saw this on a web site. What do you know about this? Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com wrote: Marshall Jeffus , I use a small fish tank bubbler, in a 2 qt glass jar. I get crystal clear CS using the bubblier, and it stays clear. I put the bubblier in the bottom of the jar, I use oxygen rated hose designed for breathing bottled ox. with a stone defuser on bottom to slow the flow and make tiny bubbles. Some on the list said it was not the best way to do it, so I tested for 2 days 48 hrs. using bubblier and not , my best CS was using the bubbler...with out I got particles so large you could see them , with bubblier, crystal clear.good luck... Tel Tofflemire Phoenix Marshall Jeffus wrote: Please, more info on this aquarium air bubbler. How is it used in the process? Do the air bubbles run over the silver electrodes? DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: I have heard this affects the CS while making it. Any comments? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfish aquarium air bubbler
I Anderson wrote: Marshall, You seem so sure that silver oxide exists in CS solutions ...why? There is little, if any, molecular oxygen atoms in d. water, and none produced at the anode, Hun? Electrolysis produces oxygen at the anode. http://webhome.idirect.com/~famistew/hydrogen/electro.htm if silver is being ionised there as silver ionises at 0.79V as opposed to the 1.6V (or there abouts) required to rip oxygen from water molecules. In the later stages of production, if the current is allowed to go way up, I have seen bubbles produced at both electrodes. If hydrogen is being produced at the cathode, then 1/2 as much oxygen HAS to be produced at the anode. You can't produce one without the other beyond the absorption level of water. It is my understanding that the colour of CS solutions is a result of the particle size. Absolutely. The greyish build up on the cathode is simply reduced silver ions, ie silver metal fluff. I think there is silver oxide when the process is run too long. First when that happens the CS will get a bitter taste which I associate with being alkaline. With silver, hydrogen and oxygen as the only elements present, silver oxide and silver hydroxide are the only compounds I know of that can do this. Theoretically silver hydroxide could be made at the cathode, and silver oxide at the anode, where there is lots of free monoatomic hydrogen or oxygen. Silver hydroxide spontaneously degrades to silver oxide rather quickly, so I believe that there can be trace amounts of it present in CS that is overdone, and that is what contributes the bitter taste. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSfish aquarium air bubbler
Marshall D, Thanks for your reply, and thanks for the informative link g Try this, for an insight to the process of electrolysis, just substitute Ag (0.79V) for chlorine at the anode. http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/cl2naoh/Cl2NaOH.html Silver hydroxide can only degrade if it is a compound and not dissolved ions Ag+ and OH- . If water is being reduced to H2 gas at the cathode (0.83V) then most likely silver is not (0.79V). H2 gas is formed at the start of the process when no silver ion are available for reduction, and intermittently throughout the generating process when Ag+ concentration is low in the cathode vicinity, or so I theorise. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 4:58 a.m. To: *Silver-List* (E-mail) Subject: Re: CSfish aquarium air bubbler I Anderson wrote: Marshall, You seem so sure that silver oxide exists in CS solutions ...why? There is little, if any, molecular oxygen atoms in d. water, and none produced at the anode, Hun? Electrolysis produces oxygen at the anode. http://webhome.idirect.com/~famistew/hydrogen/electro.htm if silver is being ionised there as silver ionises at 0.79V as opposed to the 1.6V (or there abouts) required to rip oxygen from water molecules. In the later stages of production, if the current is allowed to go way up, I have seen bubbles produced at both electrodes. If hydrogen is being produced at the cathode, then 1/2 as much oxygen HAS to be produced at the anode. You can't produce one without the other beyond the absorption level of water. It is my understanding that the colour of CS solutions is a result of the particle size. Absolutely. The greyish build up on the cathode is simply reduced silver ions, ie silver metal fluff. I think there is silver oxide when the process is run too long. First when that happens the CS will get a bitter taste which I associate with being alkaline. With silver, hydrogen and oxygen as the only elements present, silver oxide and silver hydroxide are the only compounds I know of that can do this. Theoretically silver hydroxide could be made at the cathode, and silver oxide at the anode, where there is lots of free monoatomic hydrogen or oxygen. Silver hydroxide spontaneously degrades to silver oxide rather quickly, so I believe that there can be trace amounts of it present in CS that is overdone, and that is what contributes the bitter taste. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfish aquarium air bubbler
I associate this flavor with a metallic taste. If it is very intense, it can be perceived as bitter. Ken I think there is silver oxide when the process is run too long. First when that happens the CS will get a bitter taste which I associate with being alkaline. With silver, hydrogen and oxygen as the only elements present, silver oxide and silver hydroxide are the only compounds I know of that can do this. Theoretically silver hydroxide could be made at the cathode, and silver oxide at the anode, where there is lots of free monoatomic hydrogen or oxygen. Silver hydroxide spontaneously degrades to silver oxide rather quickly, so I believe that there can be trace amounts of it present in CS that is overdone, and that is what contributes the bitter taste. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfish aquarium air bubbler
Thanks for the excellent suggestion. Perhaps the bubbler whisks away silver before it has a chance to burn. If that's the case, it's the movement of water that's important. Burnt silver - that's silver oxide, of course, which adds color to CS. The darker the color, the more of it, so I understand. Also, what do you notice in the way of oxide buildup on the electrode: the grayish solid stuff. Less or none? What is your generator type? LVDC or otherwise, what voltage/amperage. I'm new to all this and trying to find out what is the best setup. One other thing: what is your concentration (ppm). My understanding is that the clearer the liquid, the finer the particles. Thanks for replying. Like I said, I'm new to all this and am really grateful for any input any of you may have out there on getting a quality generator up and running. Thanks, Marshall PS Melvin Wolf says that adding a very small drop of honey in distilled water helps a lot. Something about how it fixes the electrical/magnetic properties of the water and allows for good conduction without adding electrolyte. Saw this on a web site. What do you know about this? Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com wrote: Marshall Jeffus , I use a small fish tank bubbler, in a 2 qt glass jar. I get crystal clear CS using the bubblier, and it stays clear. I put the bubblier in the bottom of the jar, I use oxygen rated hose designed for breathing bottled ox. with a stone defuser on bottom to slow the flow and make tiny bubbles. Some on the list said it was not the best way to do it, so I tested for 2 days 48 hrs. using bubblier and not , my best CS was using the bubbler...with out I got particles so large you could see them , with bubblier, crystal clear.good luck... Tel Tofflemire Phoenix Marshall Jeffus wrote: Please, more info on this aquarium air bubbler. How is it used in the process? Do the air bubbles run over the silver electrodes? DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: I have heard this affects the CS while making it. Any comments? - Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. - Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.
CSfish aquarium air bubbler
I have heard this affects the CS while making it. Any comments?
Re: CSfish aquarium air bubbler
Marshall Jeffus , I use a small fish tank bubbler, in a 2 qt glass jar. I get crystal clear CS using the bubblier, and it stays clear. I put the bubblier in the bottom of the jar, I use oxygen rated hose designed for breathing bottled ox. with a stone defuser on bottom to slow the flow and make tiny bubbles. Some on the list said it was not the best way to do it, so I tested for 2 days 48 hrs. using bubblier and not , my best CS was using the bubbler...with out I got particles so large you could see them , with bubblier, crystal clear.good luck... Tel Tofflemire Phoenix Marshall Jeffus wrote: Please, more info on this aquarium air bubbler. How is it used in the process? Do the air bubbles run over the silver electrodes? DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: I have heard this affects the CS while making it. Any comments? --- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.
