Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
If by reservoir you mean container [generator cell]It will take longer than ten as all that water will take longer on the conductivity rise or ramp up to current curve to get going If the cell size stays the same and a separate container feeds it, then about double the time for double the water, given the same water. The ramp up time can vary by many hours with only slight variations in the water, so here I assume ten hours to be a conversational artifact rather than a real time span unless you are buffering the water to be the same every time or the generation cell is quite small and is mostly stuffed with electrode. If not, time is nearly meaningless and it takes as long as it takes. If the generator is not designed to stop runaway at some point with current control, you have no idea what it will do over any time span unless the water is always the exact same...and it never is. Even the same water doesn't stay that way for very long. A degree of temperature change, changes it, among other things. Ode At 11:41 AM 8/26/2010 -0400, you wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
Then linear time is completely irrelevant on all counts. Everything is on an exponential curve and you have no idea where you started on it. If you had a meter and plotted progress for a few batches, you'd know that. Given the same water at the same temperature etc, doubling the size of the batch will more than double the time it takes. How much more depends on how pure the water is. If you start on the flat end of the curve with very pure water, it could take many many hours longer than double. The oft told formula 1 PPM per minute is utter hooey. That's [more like] X PPM per minute, per minute [per minute, per ounce?] ...the green line http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth If you start at 1 [say uS conductivity], it takes 9 units of time [say hours] to get to 1000 [say 10] If you start at 8 it takes 2 units of time to get to 1000 ...probably over simplified and inexact and assuming something about physics and volume that might not be true, but for illustration... Double the volume, starting at 1 and it takes 36 [??] units of time to get to 1000 [at least 18 ] Starting at 8, that's 4 [plus a little bit] units of time to get to 1000 Making CSthat 1000 would be 10 or 20, whatever your target is PPM [..actually, units of conductivity as we can't measure PPM] but the time calculations hold [whatever they actually are, given that I made an assumption that volume makes things exponential too] So, depending on the water quality, you get *at least* a 16 time unit difference on the low [pure] end and only a bit over twice the time unit difference on the higher [not so pure] end of a starting point, when you double the volume. Ode At 12:40 PM 8/26/2010 -0400, you wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
I'll let the far more experienced cover this one ... BUT ... I would say trying to make 2 gallons at once with a homemade 9 volt battery generator is a bad idea. Silver rods probably aren't long enough to start - no stirring device - etc ... Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
If you want/need to make large amounts I would say to consider looking into a silvergen SilverGen at: http://www.silvergen.com If EIS usage is quite high the SG-7 pro unit because it is designed to produce 5 gallons of EIS per batch. It is fast and dependable, producing 5 gallons of crystal clear EIS in about 6 or 8 hours. Yes, it is spendy on the front end, but you save money in the long run and can produce a reliable consistent product. Peace, Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
Or really large amounts, build your own flow through unit with 55 gallon drums, a magnetic pump, flow meter, power supply with cc diode, polarity reversing relay, 6X8 inch silver plates and fish aquarium. Total cost about $150. This will produce 55 gallons in 1 to 2 days depending on the ppm desired. Marshall jaxi wrote: If you want/need to make large amounts I would say to consider looking into a silvergen SilverGen at: http://www.silvergen.com http://www.silvergen.com/ If EIS usage is quite high the SG-7 pro unit because it is designed to produce 5 gallons of EIS per batch. It is fast and dependable, producing 5 gallons of crystal clear EIS in about 6 or 8 hours. Yes, it is spendy on the front end, but you save money in the long run and can produce a reliable consistent product. Peace, Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
Hi Laura, You can do that. It is a good start. But you may need to do some homework. Its really important to know how much current is flowing because that is what strips the silver from one of the rods. First question is what is the Anode area. This is the area of the rod connected to + of the batteries. we need this to work out what the max current should be. It is almost essential to use some form of current controller to limit the current to 1mA per square inch of anode area. That should prevent a runaway condition where the silver goes murky. So you will need to connect up a milliAmp meter to get a reading to check the current. So , What size electrodes do you have? In the archives is reference to a Faraday spreadsheet which will then help you work out how long to run the set up in the volume of container to get to 10 ppm. None of this is accurate because of all sorts of If's and Buts; there is just immense satisfaction knowing that you know a bit about the process. And almost anything you make will work satisfactorily. I would perhaps experiment with smaller quantity of water to learn how to set and adjust and control current. Oh, and you must have stirring if you are going to run it hours. That is unless you are going to give it a whirl every now and then. Ok, Tony On 26 Aug 2010 at 12:40, Homestead Springsberry wrote about : Subject : Re: CSmake two gallons at a time? A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
