Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
In a message dated 00-05-27 09:28:22 EDT, you write: ## The difference you observed is probably from the different application procedures rather than a difference in the CS. Inhaling an atomized spray gets that CS to the most efficient blood interface of the lungs second only to injection. Sinus cavities and nasal passages are highly efficient too...ask any coke head. It also went directly to the site of the infection, undiluted. PPM, when applied to the body has to take dilution in bodily fluids into account. If applied directly, PPM can be initially lower and still deliver sufficient PPM to the site. If simply ingesting CS, it has to go through a lot of different absorption sites to be distributed in the body. What does stomach acid do to CS? [for instance] How much CS gets absorbed by the mouth and throat before it reaches the stomach? The other day I had a bad sinus headache. I positioned myself upside down on the couch with my head hanging off the edge and dripped a little CS into my nose. [11PPM by the meter] It filled the sinus cavity all the way up to the eye and actually made my eye burn slightly. I stayed in that position for 6 minutes. 10 minutes laterno sinus pain...no headache. KD'C KD'C: Thanks very enlightening. I have a post script to my saga. Yesterday after about 6-8 hours I had a relapse, but this time my lungs remained clear and there was no sore throat. What I had was typical cold symtoms -- runny nose, sinus head ache and from the sound of my voice, I could tell my sinuses were NOT in good shape. I should have mentioned that yesterday, but I was so delighted with my recovery (including my sinuses to some extent), I thought the rest would soon go away. Well it didn't and things got progressively worse. I continued with the original spray treatment, but this time it was much less effective because, presumably, inhaling the spray through my mouth was not helping my sinuses very much. Today, however, I'm much improved. Perhaps my own immune defenses decided to wake up and help out a little. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
Happy that you have made a good recovery, Roger! From a purely cold and clinical point of view, it is a pity that you didn't use a LVDC colloid with little or no Tyndall effect, and used both in the same manner of administration. The method you describe in taking the HVAC colloid (I have never said that HVAC CS is not effective) is similar to the method I use to treat such infections with LVDC colloid. Breathing and sniffing the spray, and spraying the eyes with a simple plastic spray bottle, as well as gargling, has brought immediate relief. You will find posts in the archive from Brooks Bradley (reposted by myself) describing the procurement and use of a very cheap airbrush as a highly efficient nebuliser. Application of CS in this manner has been reported to cause the 'spontaneous remission' of serious bronchial infection. Good health, Ivan. - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, 27 May 2000 00:12 Subject: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened. List: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) so I started taking a low dc voltage, limiting current (ma =1.43, and a bubbler was used during production) CS (*concentration unknown, but it had a significant Tyndall). However, my condition steadily worsened. By Thursday afternoon had consumed more than 10 oz. of this CS as the infection spread to my lungs and ears. However, I did notice some temporary relief (for a few minutes) if I let a mouthful of the CS trickle down into my throat from a prone position, but that's very difficult to do for more than a few seconds without swallowing. Enter the much maligned HVAC CS. At about 6 pm Thursday evening, I decided to spray ~1 ppm HVAC CS (pH = 4.5, no Tyndall -- tastes like water despite the low pH) directly into my throat while breathing deeply through my mouth and trying not to swallow. Using a spray bottle, (as opposed to the method described above) made it much easier to refrain from swallowing, thus allowing the heavier atomized water particles to coat the surface of my sore throat. In addition, the smallest of the water droplets had a reasonable chance of reaching my lungs (breathing deeply helps too) where the infection was much more severe. Within minutes I felt better. I continued to follow this procedure later that evening (feeling better and worse during the evening), and during the night as well (whenever I got up, I added a few drops of the HVAC CS to each ear as well). By 6 am I was 90% better, and now as I write this email (7:30 am. I also took another shot of my HVAC CS about an hour ago for good measure), I feel I'm completely normal -- quite dramatic when you consider that I was practically climbing the walls for much of yesterday. Admittedly, this result is a singIe observation, and may not mean that much by itself. However, I recall that the recent BYU Silver Solution work showed generally that 5 ppm of this (presumably CS) prep was needed to kill the various types of bacteria, and 2.5 ppm only inhibited further growth. So it is quite surprising that the ~1 ppm HVAC CS did so well in vivo while the former result was based on in vitro measurments. If anyone is interested in following up on my recent findings please let me know and I'll send you a one ounce sample of the same 1 ppm HVAC CS brew that I used. BTW, 1 ounce is more than sufficient if it is administered from a spray bottle which I HIGHLY recommend based on the almost miraculous results I observed. Please send my $3 to cover shipping it to you, and most importantly, please report your observations to list subscribers. Dr. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
You mentioned that CS has poor systemic protection: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) I am rather new to this list, but am curious what this means. Does this mean CS is not distributed well throughout the body? thanks, rob in memphis From: rogalt...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened. Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:12:27 EDT List: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) so I started taking a low dc voltage, limiting current (ma =1.43, and a bubbler was used during production) CS (*concentration unknown, but it had a significant Tyndall). However, my condition steadily worsened. By Thursday afternoon had consumed more than 10 oz. of this CS as the infection spread to my lungs and ears. However, I did notice some temporary relief (for a few minutes) if I let a mouthful of the CS trickle down into my throat from a prone position, but that's very difficult to do for more than a few seconds without swallowing. Enter the much maligned HVAC CS. At about 6 pm Thursday evening, I decided to spray ~1 ppm HVAC CS (pH = 4.5, no Tyndall -- tastes like water despite the low pH) directly into my throat while breathing deeply through my mouth and trying not to swallow. Using a spray bottle, (as opposed to the method described above) made it much easier to refrain from swallowing, thus allowing the heavier atomized water particles to coat the surface of my sore throat. In addition, the smallest of the water droplets had a reasonable chance of reaching my lungs (breathing deeply helps too) where the infection was much more severe. Within minutes I felt better. I continued to follow this procedure later that evening (feeling better and worse during the evening), and during the night as well (whenever I got up, I added a few drops of the HVAC CS to each ear as well). By 6 am I was 90% better, and now as I write this email (7:30 am. I also took another shot of my HVAC CS about an hour ago for good measure), I feel I'm completely normal -- quite dramatic when you consider that I was practically climbing the walls for much of yesterday. Admittedly, this result is a singIe observation, and may not mean that much by itself. However, I recall that the recent BYU Silver Solution work showed generally that 5 ppm of this (presumably CS) prep was needed to kill the various types of bacteria, and 2.5 ppm only inhibited further growth. So it is quite surprising that the ~1 ppm HVAC CS did so well in vivo while the former result was based on in vitro measurments. If anyone is interested in following up on my recent findings please let me know and I'll send you a one ounce sample of the same 1 ppm HVAC CS brew that I used. BTW, 1 ounce is more than sufficient if it is administered from a spray bottle which I HIGHLY recommend based on the almost miraculous results I observed. Please send my $3 to cover shipping it to you, and most importantly, please report your observations to list subscribers. Dr. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
In a message dated 00-05-26 09:27:16 EDT, you write: You mentioned that CS has poor systemic protection: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) I am rather new to this list, but am curious what this means. Does this mean CS is not distributed well throughout the body? thanks, rob in memphis Rob: I think the jury in out with regard to CS providing systemic protection. My suspicion is that CS DOES provide significant systemic protection, but without some sort of statistical study, there is no proof yet. However, my point was that since I can treat most illnesses effectively once I catch the bug, why bother taking CS daily since long term (10-20 years) ingestion risks are still largely unknown. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
I take a shotglassfull daily. Been a couple of years without infection of any kind. Works for me! Chuck It is impossible to solve a problem with the consciousness that created it! On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:26:01 GMT, rob gr brownin...@hotmail.com wrote: You mentioned that CS has poor systemic protection: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) I am rather new to this list, but am curious what this means. Does this mean CS is not distributed well throughout the body? thanks, rob in memphis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
In a message dated 5/26/00 12:15:09 PM Central Daylight Time, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: I take a shotglassfull daily. Been a couple of years without infection of any kind. Works for me! Chuck It is impossible to solve a problem with the consciousness that created it! You should give Einstein credit for that, Chuck: Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
I take no credit for my tag lines. In fact people send them to me. It's only a hobby Chuck It is most distressing to us to be the agents whereby our erring fellow creatures are deprived of that liberty which is so dear to us all --but we should have thought of that before we joined the force On Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:22 EDT, samma...@aol.com wrote: It is impossible to solve a problem with the consciousness that created it! You should give Einstein credit for that, Chuck: Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
Hi Roger, et al, Re: HVAC v LVDC: Spoken with singsong cadence, Nah-nah-na-nah-na. Repeat until the listener is sufficiently annoyed But seriously folks, good results have been seen with both, depending upon the specific either/both. The scuttlebutt I received about a year ago on the study at BYU was that they had started with LVDC and were not impressed. PLEASE NOTE: that means nothing generally about LVDC because the method used to make the sol and its source were and are still unknown to me. Lots of people report excellent results with LVDC. Their heads spun when they started using HVAC from a source which I choose not to disclose. It seems to me that the problem is not distribution of the sol in the bod, but it's complexing with stuff other than the pathogens and blowing its charge. Dr. Bart A. Flick, MD, Orthopedic Surgeon who has been working with silver generally for about 14 years says CS kills every known bacterium, if they get into contact. Remember, during its previous period of popularity in the 20s-30s, the primary route of administration was IV, resulting in much higher blood levels. B.B.'s group found that adding 1 oz (US fluid) 10 PPM CS with 3 oz. Lactated Ringers solution and adding 1/4 teaspoon of known high-purity methylsulfonylmethane results in a Four X blood level of CS compared with the same CS dose w/o the above named transport enhancers. Re: Brooks' el-cheapo airbrush. My most recent observation of its effects using 10 mg/L Ag sol saturated with MSM: Lady---40's---two weeks of 'walking pneumonia'. Not terrible, she kept working; but persistent. One afternoon and evening of sucking that mix driven with O2. Next day, stethascopic (sp?) examination revealed clear lungs. I don't know the long range effects of CS either. But since Rogers work demonstrates that it does not build up, and I do know the long range effects of all the things I used to suffer, I sporadically swig it all the time. 1 Flu, 2 minor colds, 4 years. No more tinea pedis. No more aching post-hepatitis liver. Greatly improved gum health. Less plaque Tere is more too, but I can't remember. Maybe that's what is bad effect is? One CS worker has been taking 9 oz of 10 PPM (mg/L) for about 9 years. I'll take my chances. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened. In a message dated 00-05-26 09:27:16 EDT, you write: You mentioned that CS has poor systemic protection: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) I am rather new to this list, but am curious what this means. Does this mean CS is not distributed well throughout the body? thanks, rob in memphis Rob: I think the jury in out with regard to CS providing systemic protection. My suspicion is that CS DOES provide significant systemic protection, but without some sort of statistical study, there is no proof yet. However, my point was that since I can treat most illnesses effectively once I catch the bug, why bother taking CS daily since long term (10-20 years) ingestion risks are still largely unknown. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
No, peventativally if there is such a word. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Alvin Rose [SMTP:ar...@nf.sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 4:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened. I was wondering how you take colloidal Silver prophylactically..is that by injection? cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I take a shotglassfull daily. Been a couple of years without infection of any kind. Works for me! Chuck It is impossible to solve a problem with the consciousness that created it! On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:26:01 GMT, rob gr brownin...@hotmail.com wrote: You mentioned that CS has poor systemic protection: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) I am rather new to this list, but am curious what this means. Does this mean CS is not distributed well throughout the body? thanks, rob in memphis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
I was wondering how you take colloidal Silver prophylactically..is that by injection? cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I take a shotglassfull daily. Been a couple of years without infection of any kind. Works for me! Chuck It is impossible to solve a problem with the consciousness that created it! On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:26:01 GMT, rob gr brownin...@hotmail.com wrote: You mentioned that CS has poor systemic protection: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) I am rather new to this list, but am curious what this means. Does this mean CS is not distributed well throughout the body? thanks, rob in memphis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
Hi Roger, In some Ag processes, the pH is the same in the finished sol as it was in the start water. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened. List: Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor systemic protection, in my case anyway) so I started taking a low dc voltage, limiting current (ma =1.43, and a bubbler was used during production) CS (*concentration unknown, but it had a significant Tyndall). However, my condition steadily worsened. By Thursday afternoon had consumed more than 10 oz. of this CS as the infection spread to my lungs and ears. However, I did notice some temporary relief (for a few minutes) if I let a mouthful of the CS trickle down into my throat from a prone position, but that's very difficult to do for more than a few seconds without swallowing. Enter the much maligned HVAC CS. At about 6 pm Thursday evening, I decided to spray ~1 ppm HVAC CS (pH = 4.5, no Tyndall -- tastes like water despite the low pH) directly into my throat while breathing deeply through my mouth and trying not to swallow. Using a spray bottle, (as opposed to the method described above) made it much easier to refrain from swallowing, thus allowing the heavier atomized water particles to coat the surface of my sore throat. In addition, the smallest of the water droplets had a reasonable chance of reaching my lungs (breathing deeply helps too) where the infection was much more severe. Within minutes I felt better. I continued to follow this procedure later that evening (feeling better and worse during the evening), and during the night as well (whenever I got up, I added a few drops of the HVAC CS to each ear as well). By 6 am I was 90% better, and now as I write this email (7:30 am. I also took another shot of my HVAC CS about an hour ago for good measure), I feel I'm completely normal -- quite dramatic when you consider that I was practically climbing the walls for much of yesterday. Admittedly, this result is a singIe observation, and may not mean that much by itself. However, I recall that the recent BYU Silver Solution work showed generally that 5 ppm of this (presumably CS) prep was needed to kill the various types of bacteria, and 2.5 ppm only inhibited further growth. So it is quite surprising that the ~1 ppm HVAC CS did so well in vivo while the former result was based on in vitro measurments. If anyone is interested in following up on my recent findings please let me know and I'll send you a one ounce sample of the same 1 ppm HVAC CS brew that I used. BTW, 1 ounce is more than sufficient if it is administered from a spray bottle which I HIGHLY recommend based on the almost miraculous results I observed. Please send my $3 to cover shipping it to you, and most importantly, please report your observations to list subscribers. Dr. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
