RE: CSTick Bite; attn Ode

2010-07-08 Thread Ode Coyote



  I just Googled it and came up with several websites...the details are a 
bit hard to find.


http://www.aldf.com/pdf/postersmall.pdf

If a tick is attached to your skin for less than 24 hours, your chance of 
getting Lyme disease is extremely small.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/prevention/ld_prevention_avoid.htm

A tick needs a blood meal from a host in order to molt
(progress to the next stage of its life cycle), and to reproduce
(lay eggs). This feeding process continues for several days to
a week until the tick is fully engorged with blood. It then
releases its hold on the host, drops off, and subsequently molts
or lays eggs.
If the tick is infected with pathogenic organisms (for
example, Borrelia burgdorferi, the agent of Lyme disease), it
can transmit the infection to the host during the feeding
process.

**As the tick feeds, the pathogens multiply, migrate to
the tick's salivary glands, and are carried into the wound site
along with the saliva.
Successful transmission of pathogens requires the tick to be
attached for at least several hours.*

 Therefore, the sooner
infective ticks are removed, the less likely they will be able to
transmit infection. It is impossible to tell if a tick is infected
just by looking at it. Only analysis in a laboratory can
determine infection status.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vq=cache:pzRGwRQgoOYJ:www.smdc.army.mil/2008/Safety/Articles/Tickremoval.pdf+remove+tick+withinhl=engl=uspid=blsrcid=ADGEESgU10GWSAELoN3RM_sIGq7b79lb2RfQJiKV9o3Oevwf6My2AC2T9zgAp15hAG8fri0ZHoglF2SVZYWL_zCKlw_5PQ6cXlImhJA8cRSn2gqsQDkXWRaDgp-3fZ4JuU676EdjCJAWsig=AHIEtbRXwi7aYKOb_x6Z0ErFSb-tDGblWg




At 09:45 AM 7/7/2010 -0700, you wrote:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3283916


Hi Ken, suggest you check out this link, recent experimental work on
transfer of B. Burgorferi between ticks, host animals, and humans. Also,
if you have the link to your source re. 'gestation' of the bug in
ticks,I'd be very interested in checking it out for my own info.  Around
here the tick is the black-legged, or ixodes pacificus - you probably
have ixodes scapularis in your neck of the woods.

Take care,
Malcolm

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 05:38 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:

   It has to do with spirochete gestation period that only happens after a
 certain time after the tick gets a drop of blood.
 IOW  it's a disease the tick has, lying dormant, that wakes up and 
moves TO
 its gut AFTER it gets a meal and takes time to develop...not one it 
carries

 around in its gut and is, therefore, not in its gut TO regurgitate till
 after  several hours.

 Now...If you get to it AFTER the gestation period, sureproper removal
 can prevent transmission.

 Wadda I know..just repeating the research.

 I get bit several times a year and have been so  covered with the little
 buggers I couldn't tell my jeans were blue. [and had to scrape them off
 with a hunting knife.. FREAKY ]
 Twice a day tick search..so far so good.

 It helps to have a friend that likes to see you naked...and a tiny little
 crowbar.

 Ode

 At 09:07 AM 7/6/2010 -0700, you wrote:
 Ode,
 Your statement below is generally not true.  Even if one gets the tick off
 quickly, as you suggest, the contents of the tick's stomach may have been
 regurgitated into the bite and the blood and lymph will carry it to all
 parts of the body, quickly, and then start reproducing or hiding until 
it is

 safe to start reproducing.  This includes the brain and is known as
 neurolyme.  We have to remember that the general population, unlike 
you, do

 not have CS running through their body, nor do most even know what CS is.
 
 The reason I say your statement is generally not true is that, many people
 do not know how to correctly remove a tick without squeezing it.  And 
if the

 tick should happen to be infected, then no matter how quickly you got the
 tick off of the body, the contents of the tick's stomach will have been
 regurgitated into the bite. Some people are very, very lucky and have 
immune

 systems that are strong and healthy, but read below, and you will see that
 not even that is a guarantee that a future attack from that specific bite
 will not ever surface.
 
 What will matter and make all the difference to a life is the means by 
which
 one eliminates or kills off the spirochetes and co-infections 
delivered into
 the system through the bite.  One may have an excellent immune system 
which

 will help eliminate it or not.  But why take the chance.  This is a life
 threatening disease which can lay dormant in the body for years for 
when the
 immune system is not up to par.  These spirochetes are extremely 
intelligent

 and know when to begin their attack.  They are pleomorphic organisms and
 also some have been designed by humans for biowarfare.  The immune system
 cannot recognize those designed for biowarfare and so doesn't know that it
 has been attacked and do not rev up to fight what they don't recognize.
 
 ABX is indicated for any tick bite, 

RE: CSTick Bite; attn Ode

2010-07-07 Thread Malcolm
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3283916


Hi Ken, suggest you check out this link, recent experimental work on
transfer of B. Burgorferi between ticks, host animals, and humans. Also,
if you have the link to your source re. 'gestation' of the bug in
ticks,I'd be very interested in checking it out for my own info.  Around
here the tick is the black-legged, or ixodes pacificus - you probably
have ixodes scapularis in your neck of the woods.

Take care, 
Malcolm

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 05:38 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
 
   It has to do with spirochete gestation period that only happens after a 
 certain time after the tick gets a drop of blood.
 IOW  it's a disease the tick has, lying dormant, that wakes up and moves TO 
 its gut AFTER it gets a meal and takes time to develop...not one it carries 
 around in its gut and is, therefore, not in its gut TO regurgitate till 
 after  several hours.
 
 Now...If you get to it AFTER the gestation period, sureproper removal 
 can prevent transmission.
 
 Wadda I know..just repeating the research.
 
 I get bit several times a year and have been so  covered with the little 
 buggers I couldn't tell my jeans were blue. [and had to scrape them off 
 with a hunting knife.. FREAKY ]
 Twice a day tick search..so far so good.
 
 It helps to have a friend that likes to see you naked...and a tiny little 
 crowbar.
 
 Ode
 
 At 09:07 AM 7/6/2010 -0700, you wrote:
 Ode,
 Your statement below is generally not true.  Even if one gets the tick off
 quickly, as you suggest, the contents of the tick's stomach may have been
 regurgitated into the bite and the blood and lymph will carry it to all
 parts of the body, quickly, and then start reproducing or hiding until it is
 safe to start reproducing.  This includes the brain and is known as
 neurolyme.  We have to remember that the general population, unlike you, do
 not have CS running through their body, nor do most even know what CS is.
 
 The reason I say your statement is generally not true is that, many people
 do not know how to correctly remove a tick without squeezing it.  And if the
 tick should happen to be infected, then no matter how quickly you got the
 tick off of the body, the contents of the tick's stomach will have been
 regurgitated into the bite. Some people are very, very lucky and have immune
 systems that are strong and healthy, but read below, and you will see that
 not even that is a guarantee that a future attack from that specific bite
 will not ever surface.
 
 What will matter and make all the difference to a life is the means by which
 one eliminates or kills off the spirochetes and co-infections delivered into
 the system through the bite.  One may have an excellent immune system which
 will help eliminate it or not.  But why take the chance.  This is a life
 threatening disease which can lay dormant in the body for years for when the
 immune system is not up to par.  These spirochetes are extremely intelligent
 and know when to begin their attack.  They are pleomorphic organisms and
 also some have been designed by humans for biowarfare.  The immune system
 cannot recognize those designed for biowarfare and so doesn't know that it
 has been attacked and do not rev up to fight what they don't recognize.
 
 ABX is indicated for any tick bite, starting with Doxycycline, at around 400
 to 600mg/day, until the person knows for absolute certain that they have not
 been infected or for taking for a minimum of 4-6 weeks, period.  End of
 story.  A bulleseye rash is only one indication.  You don't necessarily have
 to have a bullseye rash to be infected.  Many Lyme victims have never had a
 bullseye rash and they have Lyme Disease.
 sash
 
 From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
 
 If you get the tick off pretty quick, there is little chance of any
 problems. I get tick bit about every 2 weeks and find one looking for a spot
 every few days. Do the tick search daily if not twice a day.
 
 I'd never be OFF ABX if I assumed the worst every time.
 Ode
 
 
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