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[insoluble forms of silver, such as metallic silver] -Not the particulate form of silver in my EIS?? [silver complexed with selenium or sulfur] -What form of silver would that be then, ionic, particulate, protein, salts, citrates, nitrates, fumes inhaled in a silver mine, our little old EIS, mud that has settled on bottom of a container, Colloidal Silver?? Excuse my ignorance but perhaps you could specify for me? Must be pedantic as there are so many generalities spoken/unspoken/hinted/alluded to/interpreted of or by/hidden/left to guesswork etc, and must reiterate I'm not referring to CS, I'm referring to EIS only, I know exactly what that is by definition, if it concerns any other product other than EIS then I am done with it and have no further questions and see no mileage in wasting anyone's time, particularly mine, with irrelevancies. If there is not a destinction placed between EIS and CS then confusion and doubt will reign supreme forever, and I can't accept that, I know what I produce and it is only that product of which I have interest in. If selenium is associated with CS, then great, it's of no concern to me which makes this communication null and void...Press 'del' button on keypad now g. N. Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:35:10 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Neville, When I mention removing silver from the tissues I am referring to insoluble forms of silver, such as metallic silver or silver complexed with selenium or sulfur, in the tissues. Generally those are the forms of silver found in the tissues of people with argyria. - Steve N From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 22:38:14 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled I do believe we have read similar info Steve. Your snipped quote: [I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues.] -The question I would ask is what form of silver is being referenced? i.e. predominantly ionic, predominantly particulate, compound, nitrate etc etc, could be any one of a multitude of CS concoctions mascerading as EIS. Not being of scientific background or possessing the appropriate credentials I will continue to follow my 'hunch' while searching for relevant information, which in all probability will not be found. With regard to EIS I have no doubt whatsoever, perfectly safe. I asked a question several months ago when last here but drew no response, to which I assume no one really knows, so am not willing to pursue it any further, I'll stick to my theory for the moment until I can find some info more substantial. N. Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:50:32 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Melly, I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage. Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly. So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing silver from the tissues. I hope this helps. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 21:24:39 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers
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Neville, How all the silver deposits form in the tissues is not fully understood by scientists.The metallic silver is believed to be formed by silver compounds that have been reduced to metallic silver by action with other substances such as Vitamin C. Similiarly, the selenium and sulfur compounds of silver are also formed in the body. I think they can form regardless of the type of silver ingested but some types if silver, such as silver nitrate, are more prone to form the silver deposits. I have not found scientific studies with EIS. But the fact that some people have developed blue moons under their fingernails using only EIS indicates that EIS is not entirely free of retenion in the tissues. - Steve N From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.comSent: Sun Sep 13 01:45:32 2009Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled [insoluble forms of silver, such as metallic silver] -Not the particulate form of silver in my EIS?? [silver complexed with selenium or sulfur]-What form of silver would that be then, ionic, particulate, protein, salts, citrates, nitrates, fumes inhaled in a silver mine, our little old EIS, mud that has settled on bottom of a container, Colloidal Silver?? Excuse my ignorance but perhaps you could specify for me? Must be pedantic as there are so many generalities spoken/unspoken/hinted/alluded to/interpreted of or by/hidden/left to guesswork etc, and must reiterate I'm not referring to CS, I'm referring to EIS only, I know exactly what that is by definition, if it concerns any other product other than EIS then I am done with it and have no further questions and see no mileage in wasting anyone's time, particularly mine, with irrelevancies. If there is not a destinction placed between EIS and CS then confusion and doubt will reign supreme forever, and I can't accept that, I know what I produce and it is only that product of which I have interest in. If selenium is associated with CS, then great, it's of no concern to me which makes this communication null and void...Press 'del' button on keypad now g. N.
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OK Steve, Thanks for that, I'm satisfied I have no need to pursue this any further. Just one more confirmation to come from Ode now and I believe I'm done with this. Cheers Neville. Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:34:07 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Neville, How all the silver deposits form in the tissues is not fully understood by scientists.The metallic silver is believed to be formed by silver compounds that have been reduced to metallic silver by action with other substances such as Vitamin C. Similiarly, the selenium and sulfur compounds of silver are also formed in the body. I think they can form regardless of the type of silver ingested but some types if silver, such as silver nitrate, are more prone to form the silver deposits. I have not found scientific studies with EIS. But the fact that some people have developed blue moons under their fingernails using only EIS indicates that EIS is not entirely free of retenion in the tissues. - Steve N From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.comSent: Sun Sep 13 01:45:32 2009Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled [insoluble forms of silver, such as metallic silver] -Not the particulate form of silver in my EIS?? [silver complexed with selenium or sulfur]-What form of silver would that be then, ionic, particulate, protein, salts, citrates, nitrates, fumes inhaled in a silver mine, our little old EIS, mud that has settled on bottom of a container, Colloidal Silver?? Excuse my ignorance but perhaps you could specify for me? Must be pedantic as there are so many generalities spoken/unspoken/hinted/alluded to/interpreted of or by/hidden/left to guesswork etc, and must reiterate I'm not referring to CS, I'm referring to EIS only, I know exactly what that is by definition, if it concerns any other product other than EIS then I am done with it and have no further questions and see no mileage in wasting anyone's time, particularly mine, with irrelevancies. If there is not a destinction placed between EIS and CS then confusion and doubt will reign supreme forever, and I can't accept that, I know what I produce and it is only that product of which I have interest in. If selenium is associated with CS, then great, it's of no concern to me which makes this communication null and void...Press 'del' button on keypad now g. N. _ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706
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Selenium is a key element involved with regulating the levels of metals in the body...copper being a great danger to overload with and very common in the food supply and environment. WHERE the Selenium encounters Silver , where reactions take place, will likely make a huge difference between adding and removing those metals. Might not want to supplement silver and selenium at the same time. Ode At 02:08 PM 9/12/2009 +1030, you wrote: I do believe we have read similar info Steve. Your snipped quote: [I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues.] -The question I would ask is what form of silver is being referenced? i.e. predominantly ionic, predominantly particulate, compound, nitrate etc etc, could be any one of a multitude of CS concoctions mascerading as EIS. Not being of scientific background or possessing the appropriate credentials I will continue to follow my 'hunch' while searching for relevant information, which in all probability will not be found. With regard to EIS I have no doubt whatsoever, perfectly safe. I asked a question several months ago when last here but drew no response, to which I assume no one really knows, so am not willing to pursue it any further, I'll stick to my theory for the moment until I can find some info more substantial. N. -- Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:50:32 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Melly, I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage. Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly. So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing silver from the tissues. I hope this helps. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 21:24:39 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Defaulthttp://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.commailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org/http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
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this link didn't work. dee On 12 Sep 2009, at 00:25, Norton, Steve wrote: The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default . aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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you don't take *any* minerals when ingesting CS. Its ok at a different time though. dee On 12 Sep 2009, at 03:24, Melly Bag wrote: Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly
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I thought it was selenomethionine which was the reduced form which selenium becomes when in the body? So I would have thought the same thing would apply. dee On 12 Sep 2009, at 03:50, Norton, Steve wrote: Melly, I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage. Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly. So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing silver from the tissues. I hope this helps. - Steve N
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Annie, Have you ever heard of 'whatever sells' in the news industry? They don't care - as long as it sells news. They are in the news selling business. ---Original Message--- From: Annie B Smythe Date: 9/11/2009 5:04:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled Yeah, I get that, but not one major media source is explaining the difference in their articles or news bytes. They're calling what he was making CS and lambasting CS as quackery. That is mass deception and disinfo in my book. Then I searched for media coverage of the article I posted and didn't find anything. They have forked tongues and talk out of both sides of their mouths. Annie Norton, Steve wrote: The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The link is too long and was truncated. You need to add the aspx at the end. - Steve N From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Sep 12 08:06:21 2009 Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled this link didn't work. dee On 12 Sep 2009, at 00:25, Norton, Steve wrote: The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Neville, When I mention removing silver from the tissues I am referring to insoluble forms of silver, such as metallic silver or silver complexed with selenium or sulfur, in the tissues. Generally those are the forms of silver found in the tissues of people with argyria. - Steve N From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 22:38:14 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled I do believe we have read similar info Steve. Your snipped quote: [I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues.] -The question I would ask is what form of silver is being referenced? i.e. predominantly ionic, predominantly particulate, compound, nitrate etc etc, could be any one of a multitude of CS concoctions mascerading as EIS. Not being of scientific background or possessing the appropriate credentials I will continue to follow my 'hunch' while searching for relevant information, which in all probability will not be found. With regard to EIS I have no doubt whatsoever, perfectly safe. I asked a question several months ago when last here but drew no response, to which I assume no one really knows, so am not willing to pursue it any further, I'll stick to my theory for the moment until I can find some info more substantial. N. Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:50:32 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Melly, I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage. Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly. So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing silver from the tissues. I hope this helps. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 21:24:39 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454
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The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yeah, I get that, but not one major media source is explaining the difference in their articles or news bytes. They're calling what he was making CS and lambasting CS as quackery. That is mass deception and disinfo in my book. Then I searched for media coverage of the article I posted and didn't find anything. They have forked tongues and talk out of both sides of their mouths. Annie Norton, Steve wrote: The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Melly, I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage. Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly. So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing silver from the tissues. I hope this helps. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 21:24:39 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I do believe we have read similar info Steve. Your snipped quote: [I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues.] -The question I would ask is what form of silver is being referenced? i.e. predominantly ionic, predominantly particulate, compound, nitrate etc etc, could be any one of a multitude of CS concoctions mascerading as EIS. Not being of scientific background or possessing the appropriate credentials I will continue to follow my 'hunch' while searching for relevant information, which in all probability will not be found. With regard to EIS I have no doubt whatsoever, perfectly safe. I asked a question several months ago when last here but drew no response, to which I assume no one really knows, so am not willing to pursue it any further, I'll stick to my theory for the moment until I can find some info more substantial. N. Subject: Re: CSTruly puzzled Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:50:32 -0500 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Melly, I have found nothing to substantiate that any type of selenium will remove silver from the tissues. Studies do show that many forms of selenium complex with silver and will cause silver to be deposited in the tissues. The silver complexing with those same seleniums can cause a selenium deficiency leading to liver damage. Selenomethionine will not complex with silver and therefore not cause silver deposition in the tissues. It also supports the liver and critical functions in the liver that support silver removal but it does not remove silver directly. So I agree with all you have said except selenomethionine directly removing silver from the tissues. I hope this helps. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 11 21:24:39 2009 Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled Steve, I thought selenium (methionine ME) was supposed to be taken when one ingests CS or EIS. It was said to escort out the silver particles from tissues. However, someone in another group wrote that other seleniums other than ME makes silver stay in tissues and can cause argyria. Are these correct? Melly --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com Subject: RE: CSTruly puzzled To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:25 PM The Blue Man was using silver nitrate. That was bad enough but he lived in a part of South Dakota that had natural selenium in the water The combination of the two caused a buildup of silver selenide in his tissues that turned him blue. See: http://www.jeolusa.com/APPLICATIONS/REALab/TheBlueMan/tabid/503/Default. aspx - Steve N -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTruly puzzled I've read the news articles about the Blue Man. Then I read articles like the one I posted earlier today. And I'm confused about just what the behind the scenes pushers of the story think they're accomplishing with this two faced scenario. The studies say silver works on the one hand and then the mass media vehemently denies it on the other. I certainly hope people do their own digging and don't fall for the sensation spouting mass media. They've proven time and again how inaccurate they can be, and that they're the bought mouth pieces of whomever meets their price. If it were just one or two stories I would think it was just a space filler to make sensational headlines, but this looks like a targeted type story released in print and via television for the express purpose of confusing and scaring people. Again. There aren't any more Walter Conkrites. May he rest in peace. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454
