RE: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
There was an article recently on Rense (I think) where someone had done some research on a ton of products that used the term natural, and they found that 98% were either flat out fraud or deceptive, so relying on that term is not going to do much good. I knew the term didn't mean much, and I never put any faith in it, but I was surprised at how bad it is. That shows me that 98% of the companies out there using that term are not ethical, and do not care about their customes. Scary. Thora _ From: Dee Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products' as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/05/09 17:54:00 faint_grain.jpg
RE: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
please explain further and give the full web address, this one wouldn't work. From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:52:51 + Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice.pj
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course). In the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed in just soap. Not these SLS laden products most use now. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Malcolm Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me (always wonder about that): 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and B's are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels. My personal experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky. So far vit D hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks plus. 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a few layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal bathing any more than the cholesterols do. I dunno what sunscreens do to or for it. faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
I agree Annie, I tend to avoid going in the sun because I hate heat which makes me feel ill. I supplement with the cholecalciferol spray version. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Annie B Smythe Date: 04/07/2009 20:27:14 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' The problem nowadays is, though, that most jobs are indoors, not like in the past when we had a more agrarian ruralized population where a lot of people worked outside all day. And another factor in the equation is that a lot of people are staying out of the sun deliberately; they slather themselves with UV blocking sunscreens, or wear covering clothing, when they are outdoors in the sun, because of the skin cancer scare. Or maybe because of ticks that carry Lyme Disease... faint_grain.jpg
RE: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Dianne, Web address is Marshallprotocol.com to: essential information about mp to:vit d basic information This is about the largest base of information on vit. d I have found. Also look up d3 rat poison tomcatbrand.com they sell on the box label is Vitamin d3 rat poison -- Original message from Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com: -- please explain further and give the full web address, this one wouldn't work. From: mborg...@att.netTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:52:51 + Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice. pj
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
You need to do a little research instead of trying to scare people. That makes me really cranky! The Vit D3 added to the rat poison reduces the blood clotting ability in rodents. But that's not the way Vit D3 works in humans. Scaring people with half understood info, and promoting misinformation, is absolutely offensive, especially when a simple google search will give you as much information as you could ever desire about why they use Vit D3 in the rat poison. Vit D3 is not a poison to humans! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenticide I also don't get what you have out of not taking Vit D, Vit D3 IS made by the body, and that article says the body can make its own Vit D. Yeah it can make its own Vit D, if you get enough sun. And even that information isn't always true. There are people who are born without the ability to produce Vit D so they have to take supplements. I know that for a fact because there's a lady who is on my friend's list on my blog who has that condition. And that crapola about night animals, is just that, crapola. A lot of animals do NOT handle vitamins and minerals the way the human body does, they require different amounts and may not require the same vitamins and minerals we do, their bodies also have a much different way of handling them, from digestion to excretion..Why do you think only certain animals are used for lab trials? And did you know that Vitamin D is also made by the fur of fuzzbutts that require it, and by the feathers of birds that require it? The way bodies work is a wondrous and awesome thing. Annie mborg...@att.net wrote: Dianne, Web address is Marshallprotocol.com to: essential information about mp to:vit d basic information This is about the largest base of information on vit. d I have found. Also look up d3 rat poison tomcatbrand.com they sell on the box label is Vitamin d3 rat poison -- Original message from Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com: -- please explain further and give the full web address, this one wouldn't work. From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:52:51 + Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice.pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Thanks, Dee, some interesting reading there for sure. Not quite ready to believe that vitamin D can be washed off the skin, but they do seem to make a pretty good case for supplementing it anyway. -- indi On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 07:18:13PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Indi I just looked up that link [1]www.vitamindcouncil.com and found info there, but I have looked up various site (can't remember which of course) and they keep saying the same thing as Mercola. He does seem to research his subjects quite thoroughly though and its not all sales hype because initially a lot of stuff he recommended, he didn't actually sell. I have had a lot of stuff from him and its all been good too. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [2]Indi Date: 04/07/2009 17:24:02 To: [3]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Hi Dee, I searched for that info but didn't find it, seems all searches including the term mercola want to scream so many ads at me I just got overwhelmed by it all. And mercola.com raises too many red flags; they seem to be into harvesting email addresses and won't give much info without one. I did find a video by some health renegade guy who promised an answer to the question, but I didn't have the stomach to survive the first minute of his self-promotion. He did look like he needed a bath though... Is Mercola one of those people like Rife and Hulda Clark, surrounded by vendors hoping to profit from someone else's brilliance? If so, what are the good sites to reference his work? -- indi References Visible links 1. http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ 2. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 3. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Dee, I already know what 'Mercola' says. IMNSHO, Mercola's site thrives on a contrarian POV. Perhaps those of us who are depleted in the vit D department have other causes to look for, such as insufficient exposure to sunlight, too much clothing when outdoors, wrong time of day, Vits A, D, calcium and magnesium-poor diet, etc. (Vegetarians are particularly susceptible to the deficiency because plant derived D is not the kind we use; even animal fats are likely to be deficient if the animals were raised in confinement with inadequate exposure to sun.) Whatever sodium laurel sulfate may do, I doubt it extracts cholesterol from the inner layers of the skin, but who knows? This may become the new thinning and cardio protocol for the 21st century; just wash your HDL's away. g The amount of time necessary for the body to absorb the vit D precursors generated by exposure to sun is 30 to 60 minutes, so unless you run inside to shower right away, you're probably ok even for the cholesterol containing skin oils from the sebaceous glands (and there are more cholesterols present than those found in the sebum. BTW, the time required for the markers to show up in the blood is about 12 to 24 hours but the D is already bound to its delivery protein in about half an hour. The times of day in which the UV-B from the sun is significantly present are 10 to 2. It's the UV-B that does the conversion of cholesterol. Tha'sall On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 14:33 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course). In the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed in just soap. Not these SLS laden products most use now. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Malcolm Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me (always wonder about that): 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and B's are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels. My personal experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky. So far vit D hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks plus. 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a few layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal bathing any more than the cholesterols do. I dunno what sunscreens do to or for it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Sodium Laurel Sulfate, hmmm, I know it can penetrate the scalp if it's in a shampoo, and it can effect vision. But of all the things I've read about it, I've never read about it effecting Vit D manufactured in the skin. Not that that is impossible, if it penetrates the skin and combines with other things somehow..But I haven't done enough reading on it to say one way or the other. But Malcom's explanation sounds reasonable. ; If I do some digging and find out something different I'll eat some crow I reckon, LOL. Annie Malcolm wrote: Dee, I already know what 'Mercola' says. IMNSHO, Mercola's site thrives on a contrarian POV. Perhaps those of us who are depleted in the vit D department have other causes to look for, such as insufficient exposure to sunlight, too much clothing when outdoors, wrong time of day, Vits A, D, calcium and magnesium-poor diet, etc. (Vegetarians are particularly susceptible to the deficiency because plant derived D is not the kind we use; even animal fats are likely to be deficient if the animals were raised in confinement with inadequate exposure to sun.) Whatever sodium laurel sulfate may do, I doubt it extracts cholesterol from the inner layers of the skin, but who knows? This may become the new thinning and cardio protocol for the 21st century; just wash your HDL's away. g The amount of time necessary for the body to absorb the vit D precursors generated by exposure to sun is 30 to 60 minutes, so unless you run inside to shower right away, you're probably ok even for the cholesterol containing skin oils from the sebaceous glands (and there are more cholesterols present than those found in the sebum. BTW, the time required for the markers to show up in the blood is about 12 to 24 hours but the D is already bound to its delivery protein in about half an hour. The times of day in which the UV-B from the sun is significantly present are 10 to 2. It's the UV-B that does the conversion of cholesterol. Tha'sall On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 14:33 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course). In the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed in just soap. Not these SLS laden products most use now. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Malcolm Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me (always wonder about that): 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and B's are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels. My personal experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky. So far vit D hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks plus. 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a few layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal bathing any more than the cholesterols do. I dunno what sunscreens do to or for it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:05:26AM -0700, Malcolm wrote: Dee, I already know what 'Mercola' says. IMNSHO, Mercola's site thrives on a contrarian POV. Perhaps those of us who are depleted in the vit D department have other causes to look for, such as insufficient exposure to sunlight, too much clothing when outdoors, wrong time of day, Vits A, D, calcium and magnesium-poor diet, etc. (Vegetarians are particularly susceptible to the deficiency because plant derived D is not the kind we use; even animal fats are likely to be deficient if the animals were raised in confinement with inadequate exposure to sun.) Whatever sodium laurel sulfate may do, I doubt it extracts cholesterol from the inner layers of the skin, but who knows? This may become the new thinning and cardio protocol for the 21st century; just wash your HDL's away. g The amount of time necessary for the body to absorb the vit D precursors generated by exposure to sun is 30 to 60 minutes, so unless you run inside to shower right away, you're probably ok even for the cholesterol containing skin oils from the sebaceous glands (and there are more cholesterols present than those found in the sebum. BTW, the time required for the markers to show up in the blood is about 12 to 24 hours but the D is already bound to its delivery protein in about half an hour. The times of day in which the UV-B from the sun is significantly present are 10 to 2. It's the UV-B that does the conversion of cholesterol. Tha'sall On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 14:33 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: Well according to Mercola, it *does* wash off, which would explain why we are depleted nowadays (also people using sunscreens of course). In the old days, people didn't shower every day, it used to be bath days once a week if you were lucky enough to have a bath, and people washed in just soap. Not these SLS laden products most use now. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Malcolm Date: 04/07/2009 21:27:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me (always wonder about that): 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and B's are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels. My personal experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky. So far vit D hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks plus. 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a few layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal bathing any more than the cholesterols do. I dunno what sunscreens do to or for it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you. Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. ;) -- indi Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products' as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSVit. D 3 'hype'
Which group do you think you're in? -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you. Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. ;) -- indi Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products' as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Why both, of course. That's why I'm doubly immune. :D -- indi On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 01:46:57PM -0700, Terry wrote: Which group do you think you're in? -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you. Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. ;) -- indi Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products' as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'm in the brain damaged group, for sure. ;-) On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Terry wrote: Which group do you think you're in? -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you. Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. ;) -- indi Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products' as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Drain bamaged? Not me. Dave At 05:31 PM 7/5/2009, you wrote: I'm in the brain damaged group, for sure. ;-) On Jul 5, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Terry wrote: Which group do you think you're in? -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' It's the gubmint mind-control, I tell you. Doesn't work on the very bright or the brain-damaged. ;) -- indi Sarah Palin's 15 minutes are over, just as I predicted. On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: You know that, and I know that, Indi, but many people out there haven't a clue! The amount of people I have met who have no idea what is in 'products' as they are now called. Especially the ones termed 'natural' or organic. Even products designed for babies have it in. Probably why so many children suffer from eczema and asthma I suppose. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 07/05/09 18:54:23 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Anyway, it's not that hard to use soaps without SLS. Bronner's soap is the best, IMO. -- indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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And not only what Shirley has said but also, it is very easy now for someone to have their own Vit D levels tested and people are finding they are very low. All you have to do is join Life Extenision Foundation and you can order your own blood work from lab core to test you or your familys vit D levels or many other labs if desired. Blessings, Karen Conrad - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: CSVit. D 3 'hype' About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice.pj
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Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice. pj
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I always remember reading that Vit D, being oil-based and thus not easily eliminated, was one of the few vitamins that can actually cause harm if over done. Supposedly, the human body will automatically make all it needs through exposure to sunlight. Of course, lots of things one reads turn out to be utter bull, especially medical and nutrition advice, so who knows... Also, the various forms of what is commonly called Vitamin D apparently have radical differences in their effect on the body. Personally, I think we don't really know squat about nutrition yet and should take it all with a grain of NaCl. Of course, for someone who has a serious illness, some experimentation may be worthwhile. Probably beats whatever patent meds the docs have been bribed to prescribe this week... -- indi On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:52:51PM +, mborg...@att.net wrote: Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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eh? This is the first I've heard of this! According to Mercola (and many others) vitamin D3 in the form of cholecalciferol is a master vitamin which controls so many cells in the body. It is actually a hormone and those with cancers of all types are always low in this. Other forms of Vitamin D can adversely affect the health, especially those synthetic forms. Dee ---Original Message--- From: mborg...@att.net Date: 07/04/09 13:53:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- faint_grain.jpg
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According to mercola, the trouble with getting Vit D3 from the sun is that people tend to shower using products after sun exposure and this robs the skin of the vit D which has been made along with cholesterol in the skin. 48 hours should be allowed for the vitamin to synthesize properly, or you should just allow water to run over the skin, not soap stuff. This is one of the reasons that people's systems are depleted. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 04/07/2009 15:39:14 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' I always remember reading that Vit D, being oil-based and thus not easily eliminated, was one of the few vitamins that can actually cause harm if over done. Supposedly, the human body will automatically make all it needs through exposure to sunlight. Of course, lots of things one reads turn out to be utter bull, especially medical and nutrition advice, so who knows... Also, the various forms of what is commonly called Vitamin D apparently have radical differences in their effect on the body. Personally, I think we don't really know squat about nutrition yet and should take it all with a grain of NaCl. Of course, for someone who has a serious illness, some experimentation may be worthwhile. Probably beats whatever patent meds the docs have been bribed to prescribe this week... -- indi faint_grain.jpg
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Hi Dee, I searched for that info but didn't find it, seems all searches including the term mercola want to scream so many ads at me I just got overwhelmed by it all. And mercola.com raises too many red flags; they seem to be into harvesting email addresses and won't give much info without one. I did find a video by some health renegade guy who promised an answer to the question, but I didn't have the stomach to survive the first minute of his self-promotion. He did look like he needed a bath though... Is Mercola one of those people like Rife and Hulda Clark, surrounded by vendors hoping to profit from someone else's brilliance? If so, what are the good sites to reference his work? -- indi On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:35:10PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: According to mercola, the trouble with getting Vit D3 from the sun is that people tend to shower using products after sun exposure and this robs the skin of the vit D which has been made along with cholesterol in the skin. 48 hours should be allowed for the vitamin to synthesize properly, or you should just allow water to run over the skin, not soap stuff. This is one of the reasons that people's systems are depleted. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 04/07/2009 15:39:14 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' I always remember reading that Vit D, being oil-based and thus not easily eliminated, was one of the few vitamins that can actually cause harm if over done. Supposedly, the human body will automatically make all it needs through exposure to sunlight. Of course, lots of things one reads turn out to be utter bull, especially medical and nutrition advice, so who knows... Also, the various forms of what is commonly called Vitamin D apparently have radical differences in their effect on the body. Personally, I think we don't really know squat about nutrition yet and should take it all with a grain of NaCl. Of course, for someone who has a serious illness, some experimentation may be worthwhile. Probably beats whatever patent meds the docs have been bribed to prescribe this week... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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If that's the case I should have been dead 5 years ago unless I'm immune to rat poison. -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Be careful of vitamin d3 it is a rat poison. Good information at the marshallprotocol.com/forum2/2572 -- Original message from Shirley Reed pj20fl...@gmail.com: -- About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice.pj
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Hi Indi I just looked up that link www.vitamindcouncil.com and found info there, but I have looked up various site (can't remember which of course) and they keep saying the same thing as Mercola. He does seem to research his subjects quite thoroughly though and its not all sales hype because initially a lot of stuff he recommended, he didn't actually sell. I have had a lot of stuff from him and its all been good too. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 04/07/2009 17:24:02 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Hi Dee, I searched for that info but didn't find it, seems all searches including the term mercola want to scream so many ads at me I just got overwhelmed by it all. And mercola.com raises too many red flags; they seem to be into harvesting email addresses and won't give much info without one. I did find a video by some health renegade guy who promised an answer to the question, but I didn't have the stomach to survive the first minute of his self-promotion. He did look like he needed a bath though... Is Mercola one of those people like Rife and Hulda Clark, surrounded by vendors hoping to profit from someone else's brilliance? If so, what are the good sites to reference his work? -- indi faint_grain.jpg
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I have the Mercola newsletter Indi, and he does a video where he explains all this quite intensively. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 04/07/2009 17:24:02 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' Hi Dee, I searched for that info but didn't find it, seems all searches including the term mercola want to scream so many ads at me I just got overwhelmed by it all. And mercola.com raises too many red flags; they seem to be into harvesting email addresses and won't give much info without one. I did find a video by some health renegade guy who promised an answer to the question, but I didn't have the stomach to survive the first minute of his self-promotion. He did look like he needed a bath though... Is Mercola one of those people like Rife and Hulda Clark, surrounded by vendors hoping to profit from someone else's brilliance? If so, what are the good sites to reference his work? -- indi faint_grain.jpg
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly, the human body will automatically make all it needs through exposure to sunlight. Whoever wrote that didn't live in Scotland :-) You know the old joke - Noah made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights - and that was the best sumer we ever had! Cheers Kirsteen
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The problem nowadays is, though, that most jobs are indoors, not like in the past when we had a more agrarian ruralized population where a lot of people worked outside all day. And another factor in the equation is that a lot of people are staying out of the sun deliberately; they slather themselves with UV blocking sunscreens, or wear covering clothing, when they are outdoors in the sun, because of the skin cancer scare. Or maybe because of ticks that carry Lyme Disease... And kids stay indoors more now in front of TVs and video games, which I can so totally understand if both the parents are working, in that case it's kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't, their safety vs time outdoors.. People who live in apartment complexes don't have back yards to do a little sun catching. Elderly folks who don't have much mobility and fragile skin, or who live in more dangerous neighborhoods, or folks who take prescription meds may be hyper sensitive to sunlight. I'd say it's probably a huge problem in jails and prisons too. So yeah getting enough naturally made Vit D, produced by the body being exposed to sunlight, may be a big problem for a lot of people. And sunlight coming through windows doesn't count because the UVB rays that make vitamin D in the skin are blocked by window glass. I bought some D3 from Swanson, the most reasonably priced I could find, and I've been taking 2000 IU a day for nearly a month. No side effects so far as I can tell. I know for a fact that I don't get enough sun, I have dark hair but very fair skin, think black Irish, but Scots ancestry instead, LOL. Twenty minutes of sun, unless it's very early in the morn or very late in the afternoon, would parboil me, even with sunblock applied. I know because it has happened before. I definitely don't put any faith in sunscreens after I got fried once. I don't go to the beach at all, what would be the point? And I make darned sure I can find shade if I'm at any kind of outdoor event. And I don't drink milk. So I take Vit D, and it just makes sense to me, to take a form that the body can use better. It's kind of like the differences in the types of Vit E on the market and the way the body uses them. Annie Kirsteen Wright wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly, the human body will automatically make all it needs through exposure to sunlight. Whoever wrote that didn't live in Scotland :-) You know the old joke - Noah made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights - and that was the best sumer we ever had! Cheers Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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This has been discussed in the recent past, and if my memory serves me (always wonder about that): 1) The oil soluble vitamins are not 'washed out' by water like C and B's are; so they remain stored and can achieve toxic levels. My personal experience has been that A and E (D-alpha tocopherol) taken to excess (my excess) make me feel like I did the wrong thing, ucky. So far vit D hasn't given me this reaction @ 2,000 IU per day for a coupla weeks plus. 2)Vit D is made by exposure of cholesterols, in our skin, to sun, or certain energy levels of light but the formation takes place under a few layers of the epidermis, and thus doesn't wash off under normal bathing any more than the cholesterols do. I dunno what sunscreens do to or for it. 3)It usedta be that vit D2 was The stuff and added to milk; the 'sunshine vitamin' according to the advertising hypsters. Now it's vit D3. Anyone know what happened to vit D1? Will we have the new and improved D4 soon? 4) It's a hormone. The whole idea that we should take some thing -or not - for whatever is suspect. Take care, (oops?) OK; Give care, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 16:35 +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: According to mercola, the trouble with getting Vit D3 from the sun is that people tend to shower using products after sun exposure and this robs the skin of the vit D which has been made along with cholesterol in the skin. 48 hours should be allowed for the vitamin to synthesize properly, or you should just allow water to run over the skin, not soap stuff. This is one of the reasons that people's systems are depleted. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 04/07/2009 15:39:14 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit. D 3 'hype' I always remember reading that Vit D, being oil-based and thus not easily eliminated, was one of the few vitamins that can actually cause harm if over done. Supposedly, the human body will automatically make all it needs through exposure to sunlight. Of course, lots of things one reads turn out to be utter bull, especially medical and nutrition advice, so who knows... Also, the various forms of what is commonly called Vitamin D apparently have radical differences in their effect on the body. Personally, I think we don't really know squat about nutrition yet and should take it all with a grain of NaCl. Of course, for someone who has a serious illness, some experimentation may be worthwhile. Probably beats whatever patent meds the docs have been bribed to prescribe this week... -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've read that some babies in Australia have shown symptoms or rickets due to this concern about the sun. On Sunday, Jul 5, 2009, at 04:26 Asia/Tokyo, Annie B Smythe wrote: And another factor in the equation is that a lot of people are staying out of the sun deliberately; they slather themselves with UV blocking sunscreens, or wear covering clothing, when they are outdoors in the sun, because of the skin cancer scare. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I appreciate your well-said opinion. It sounds reasonable to me, and I agree it was much harder to get information before the computer age. I had to do research at a library, read medical journals and science news, and study textbooks to get reliable info; that is also considering the considerable medico-politico bias that is still a big presence today, and most know it has been for the last 100 years. Pauling was a giant, but not everyone liked his work. Kathryn On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: About 50 years ago mention was made in some weekly reader or something about how research on Vit. D was sparse. Yet, what had been learned indicated that this nutrient just might be extremely important in many ways. However, its un-patentability made greater research unlikely or at least very slow. Since then I have been on the lookout for more info on Vit. D. Only since computers became easily accessible have I been able to get much more information. Now there is tons of info and it nearly all points to a really great need for more of this nutrient for nearly everyone. It seems it may actually be some sort of master nutrient. There is much to be learned, but the site www.vitamindcouncil.com will be very enlightening. What is going on is that information that could once be suppressed for the money interests of the few, can now be publicized far and wide by computers. And it is being publicized. Similar to the information about the connection between iodine deficiency and cancer, along with loads of other easily preventable poor health conditions. My opinion--considered and informed. Not medical advice. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
