RE: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-07 Thread Louise

Hi Jonathan;

Here is the missing link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031227010117/http://www.symbiotic-health.com/
Instead of the landscaping place the original site.

Louise


-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to have FINALLY
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book,  The
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to keep
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good site to
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the first link,
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken over by a
landscaping outfit!





On Friday, Mar 4, 2005, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Ed Kasper wrote:

 How does CS work ?
 most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western
 thinking. And
 the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether
 either
 may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
 important.
 Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
 theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
 proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but
 'they
 will not admit that simply saying we need more research.

 TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that
 cells/diseases, and
 especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
 another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the
 morphing
 of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone
 tissue.
 In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp
 to
 Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works
 via
 Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
 therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.

 http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
 http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

 think outside the box.
 Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
 and do not be limited to everything you've been told.

 Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Acupuncture is a jab well done
 www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



 -Original Message-
 From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


  Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since
 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western
 or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.



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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-07 Thread V.Jean.G.
Hi Nancymike:
While CS has greatly benefited, you, husband and many others, please
keep in mind some aren't helped. Everyone has a different body
chemistry, what works for some may not work for another. When Vitamin C
was heavily promoted as a cure for a cold and flu, it worked for some
but not all. No one seems to know if CS is effective against a viral
epidemic. During the 1914-1918 era, millions died from an epidemic
researchers still know little about.  Healthy young men went to work but
collapsed and dead by noon. 

 According to a Professor of Neurology at Columbia University, there's
thousands of viruses out there seperated into eight categories. If there
was only one virus, they couldn't be categorized. It's the viruses that
are maiming, disabling and killing us right and left but no research on
viruses except Aids and Hepatitis.  Millions donated to cancer research
through the years but on the increase as never before. Contact your
representatives and ask for research on viruses. The root cause of many
illnesses.

V.Jean.G.


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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-07 Thread nancymike
I beg to differ with you.  The problem with CS is that it is VERY  slow, and
most people do not have the patience to see it thru.  Also, the CS must make
contact with the virus. BUT it is agreed by all that CS kills over 650
virsus and bacteria.  That number seems to cover them all.  I believe I read
somewhere that there is one virus it does not kill.  One is certainly not
many.
Anytime you use natural cures it is slower and no one wants to wait
There were times when I thught the CS had stopped wring on my MS, but then
in a few weeks, something more began to improve.  It takes patience to get
well with CS, but it certainly worth the wait.
Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: V.Jean.G. tijua...@webtv.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN


 Hi Nancymike:
 While CS has greatly benefited, you, husband and many others, please
 keep in mind some aren't helped. Everyone has a different body
 chemistry, what works for some may not work for another. When Vitamin C
 was heavily promoted as a cure for a cold and flu, it worked for some
 but not all. No one seems to know if CS is effective against a viral
 epidemic. During the 1914-1918 era, millions died from an epidemic
 researchers still know little about.  Healthy young men went to work but
 collapsed and dead by noon.

  According to a Professor of Neurology at Columbia University, there's
 thousands of viruses out there seperated into eight categories. If there
 was only one virus, they couldn't be categorized. It's the viruses that
 are maiming, disabling and killing us right and left but no research on
 viruses except Aids and Hepatitis.  Millions donated to cancer research
 through the years but on the increase as never before. Contact your
 representatives and ask for research on viruses. The root cause of many
 illnesses.

 V.Jean.G.


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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-05 Thread Stuff

At 08:32 PM 3/3/2005 -0800, V. Jean. G. wrote:


 Zonman:
 There are eight categories of viruses.
With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

V.Jean.G.


With all due respect, opinions are as plentiful as disease.
True science is a plentiful as cures.

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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to have FINALLY 
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book,  The 
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly 
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to keep 
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good site to 
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the first link, 
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken over by a 
landscaping outfit!






On Friday, Mar 4, 2005, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Ed Kasper wrote:


How does CS work ?
most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western 
thinking. And
the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether 
either

may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
important.
Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but 
'they

will not admit that simply saying we need more research.

TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that 
cells/diseases, and

especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the 
morphing
of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone 
tissue.
In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp 
to
Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works 
via

Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.

http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

think outside the box.
Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
and do not be limited to everything you've been told.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



-Original Message-
From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


 Zonman:
I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 
1907

and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western 
or

alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

V.Jean.G.



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RE: CSre(2): CSPHN broken link

2005-03-04 Thread M. G. Devour
Ed, something's wrong at your end, because the links seemed to work 
just fine here...

Mike D.


 the link opens; its the first actually 2 links that seem to
 go into landscaping.
 Bummer, as I look out into my own tall overgrown what used
 to be lawn. maybe there's a message there, eh.
 http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
 
 ed
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jonathan B. Britten
 [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:35 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN
 
 
 I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to
 have FINALLY
 received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting
 book,  The
 Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am
 open-mindedly
 skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to
 keep
 reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good
 site to
 continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the
 first link,
 supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken
 over by a
 landscaping outfit!
 
 
 
 
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RE: CSre(2): CSPHN broken link

2005-03-04 Thread Ed Kasper
the link opens; its the first actually 2 links that seem to
go into landscaping.
Bummer, as I look out into my own tall overgrown what used
to be lawn. maybe there's a message there, eh.
http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm

ed

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten
[mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN


I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to
have FINALLY
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting
book,  The
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am
open-mindedly
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to
keep
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good
site to
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the
first link,
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken
over by a
landscaping outfit!




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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread nancymike
My neighbor had PHN, I wrote about his cure  a few days ago,  I had MS and
am doing very well.  Yes, it is true, if I stopped CS completely, the
mycoplasma would begin to replicate themselves, and I would possibly be in a
wheel chair, and perhaps my neighbor would once again have the terrible pain
he endured for eight years if he stopped CS.  BUT  why would I stop CS and
have this happen?  Why would I stop CS for any reason?  My husband is a very
healthy person.  He has not had any major problems, but he now takes two oz.
of CS a day.  We have not had even a cold or the flu in the five years we've
been on CS.  Why would I stop???
Beside, I do not believe there are thousands of viruses out there.  I
truly believe the mycoplasma is one virus and it enters the body and morphs
to whatever cells it enters.  Now you have many diseases from one
virus.. Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia,
Epstein Barr, etc, etc.

http://mindcontrolforums.com/mycoplamsa.htm  Mycoplasma is misspelled, but
this is correct site.

If you like to suffer, listen to your doctors and professors.  If you
want to stop the pain and suffering, stick with CS.

Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: V.Jean.G. tijua...@webtv.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


 Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.


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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread V
Hi V.Jean.G.,

Well are are completely correct from an allopathic medicine point of view. They 
give the doctors only 2 weeks worth of nutritional training and then send them 
out into the world to cure and heal. they amount to being highly educated 
professional idiots an many cases. they will never find the cures for these 
diseases because they are basing their entire work on a false premise and 
looknig entirely in the wrong place. no matter how perfect your logic is if you 
start from a false premise the outcome will always be wrong. So until they 
change their basic underlying paradigm about what causes disease they will 
never figure it out.

the medical establishment is out there trying to cure and heal without 
addressing the main issue about what cause people to be ill in the first place. 
which is their diets, thats what makes everybody ill. the disease organisms as 
they call them are for the most part created within their own bodies to clean 
up the garbage people stuff in their faces. Until the doctors address that, 
they will continue to profit from the rampant ignorance that is perpetrated on 
people by big medicine and the mass media
pushing endless varieties of factory fresh manufactured food that passes for 
something that you are supposed to be able to eat.

If people eat correctly they dont get disesases.
If people have disease and then start to eat correctly the disease goes away. 
The incorrect eating is the cauese of the diseases. so until they address the 
cause, they will not find the seloution, its as simple as that.
The professores that say its all so complicated have no clues either.
 
http://www.expo-net.org/PasteurBechamp.html

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/aajonus.html
http://wholehealth.homestead.com/raw.html

Take care,
 V


  Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.

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RE: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread Jim Holmes
The US Gov thought his work potent enough to literally confiscate and burn
as much of his work as they could find and to throw him in the slam, where
he died. 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to have FINALLY 
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book,  The 
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly 
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to keep 
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good site to 
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the first link, 
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken over by a 
landscaping outfit!





On Friday, Mar 4, 2005, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Ed Kasper wrote:

 How does CS work ?
 most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western 
 thinking. And
 the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether 
 either
 may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
 important.
 Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
 theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
 proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but 
 'they
 will not admit that simply saying we need more research.

 TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that 
 cells/diseases, and
 especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
 another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the 
 morphing
 of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone 
 tissue.
 In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp 
 to
 Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works 
 via
 Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
 therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.

 http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
 http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

 think outside the box.
 Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
 and do not be limited to everything you've been told.

 Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Acupuncture is a jab well done
 www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



 -Original Message-
 From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


  Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 
 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western 
 or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.



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RE: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-03 Thread Ed Kasper
How does CS work ?
most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western thinking. And
the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether either
may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
important.
Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but 'they
will not admit that simply saying we need more research.

TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that cells/diseases, and
especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the morphing
of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone tissue.
In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp to
Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works via
Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.

http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

think outside the box.
Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
and do not be limited to everything you've been told.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



-Original Message-
From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


 Zonman:
I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 1907
and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western or
alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

V.Jean.G.



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