Re: CS>My silvergen machine
Sovereign Silver at 10 PPM is exactly what either a Silvergen or Silverpuppy makes at 10 PPM. 97% ionic. An ion... is an ion is an ion. There may be some calibration ambiguities between the two gens. I don't find that predicting PPM while using conductivity as a ruler is as simple as Trem does. Ode At 02:02 PM 3/22/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >Bailar, > >Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any >kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded >that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so >ready to ditch the Silvergen. > >Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS >you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take >daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently >effective? > >I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I >could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their >silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do >not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what >they are talking about. For instance, in their "comparisons" they have >listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition >of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested >as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the >photo of various CS products. > >Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because >you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural >immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see >curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one >will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I >am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign >Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is >that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. > >While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and >effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective >CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality >generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth >is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a >really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. >That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as >much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on >whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. > >Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent >of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity >desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, >I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict >myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford >to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to >use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so >greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully >effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my >homemade CS to adjust for the same level of effectiveness. And being >able to make CS at home is a huge hedge against commercial CS ever >becoming unavailable. > >I'd also like to know if anyone here knows of any independent lab tests >on Sovereign Silver? It seems to be recommended as a reputable product, >but I'd like to see an independent test before I take at face value the >statements at the natural immunogenics website. >TIA, >sol > > >> >> > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked b
RE: CS>My silvergen machine
Thank you Jim Well written. We all needs this reminder every now and then. Reginald from the land of Oz. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>My silvergen machine
Mike, Jason, et al, I joined the CS list about six, or seven years ago (how the time flies). During that ensuing time I have found this list to be a profound source of invaluable information. When I joined I was as much a "newbie" as many of those now coming online and posting for the first time. My first generator was a "Sota" and I kept it until I was ready to move to another machine. My second was from CS Pro and it never failed me either. Finally, about two months ago I purchased an SG7 from Trem at Silvergen. My reasons were not that the other "machines" didn't work, or produce useable CS (or EIS, or whatever), but because I wanted to balance time and effort with results. The SG7 allowed me to produce good (for me) silver in large quantities in a minimum amount of time. Of what I produce I give away about 75% and use about 25%. The information garnered from list, of course, is primarily related to the production and utilization of self produced CS, but not always. That is what I like about it...one never knows what will pop up and may lead synchronistically to other useful things. One never knows when that information will come in handy even though it may not apply currently. Such is the case on the recent debate leading to this thread. It is nice to have information of Sovereign Silver on hand for future reference. Thanks, Jason, from me, too, for your expert comments in regard to that. The only problem I have seen in regard to these debates is when a member's ego gets bruised nearly always by something someone on the list has said probably from their own ego. So an Ego War begins. The tone of the emails are the dead give away of forthcoming problems with the List Owner. Mike has always exhibited what I consider infinite patience in dealing with these Wars, up to a point. But when it is time to cut it off, thankfully, it usually happens very quickly. Thank goodness for that because, obviously, it is necessary for list survival as well as decorum. So, thanks, to all the list members for their efforts in helping to keep this the best and most useful list on CS on the internet. Just my humble opinion. Jim W. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>My silvergen machine Jason, thank you for this information. It is good to know that there is a commercial preparation making inroads with conventional physicians. Your balanced perspective on the tradeoffs between this product and home-brew is appreciated. Be well, Mike D. > Greetings, all: > > I always recommend that those who are in a prosperous financial > situation purchase Sovereign Silver, or have their MD's acquire Argentyn > 23. Keep in mind that there are alot of people out there that wouldn't > even feel it when purchasing a few dozen cases of such products. > > Silvergen Generators make a mighty fine silver, first class. But to > state that any home brewed silver is like a true laboratory grade silver > is just simply not true. > > I don't think many people realize how much went into the development of > this product. Natural-Immunogenics is not like other producers, who are > trying to vye for market share, because frankly the best don't need to > advertise, and a very large chunk of their market is specifically very > qualified medical professionals. They also take toxicity issues very > seriously and very ethically. > > I did a very brief experiment with Argentyn 23 and an abrasion. When > one applies their isolated silver to to such a wound, cell replication > is actually VISIBLE within 20-45 minutes of application. It's quite > astounding. > > One of the most significant, among many, properties of this product is > that it is pyrogen and endotoxin free, and correctly PH balanced. > > So on one hand, it's insane to deprive oneself of silver because one is > not financially well off... In many cases, I certainly consider it "not > very wise" to purchase a retail silver when quality generators exist ( > or can be made ) that serve most excellently. However, I also consider > it not very wise to settle for anything less than the best if you are in > the position to acquire it, and a loved one's life may depend on it. > > Kind Regards, > > Jason [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>My silvergen machine
Jason, thank you for this information. It is good to know that there is a commercial preparation making inroads with conventional physicians. Your balanced perspective on the tradeoffs between this product and home-brew is appreciated. Be well, Mike D. > Greetings, all: > > I always recommend that those who are in a prosperous financial > situation purchase Sovereign Silver, or have their MD's acquire Argentyn > 23. Keep in mind that there are alot of people out there that wouldn't > even feel it when purchasing a few dozen cases of such products. > > Silvergen Generators make a mighty fine silver, first class. But to > state that any home brewed silver is like a true laboratory grade silver > is just simply not true. > > I don't think many people realize how much went into the development of > this product. Natural-Immunogenics is not like other producers, who are > trying to vye for market share, because frankly the best don't need to > advertise, and a very large chunk of their market is specifically very > qualified medical professionals. They also take toxicity issues very > seriously and very ethically. > > I did a very brief experiment with Argentyn 23 and an abrasion. When > one applies their isolated silver to to such a wound, cell replication > is actually VISIBLE within 20-45 minutes of application. It's quite > astounding. > > One of the most significant, among many, properties of this product is > that it is pyrogen and endotoxin free, and correctly PH balanced. > > So on one hand, it's insane to deprive oneself of silver because one is > not financially well off... In many cases, I certainly consider it "not > very wise" to purchase a retail silver when quality generators exist ( > or can be made ) that serve most excellently. However, I also consider > it not very wise to settle for anything less than the best if you are in > the position to acquire it, and a loved one's life may depend on it. > > Kind Regards, > > Jason [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>My silvergen machine
Greetings, all: I always recommend that those who are in a prosperous financial situation purchase Sovereign Silver, or have their MD's acquire Argentyn 23. Keep in mind that there are alot of people out there that wouldn't even feel it when purchasing a few dozen cases of such products. Silvergen Generators make a mighty fine silver, first class. But to state that any home brewed silver is like a true laboratory grade silver is just simply not true. I don't think many people realize how much went into the development of this product. Natural-Immunogenics is not like other producers, who are trying to vye for market share, because frankly the best don't need to advertise, and a very large chunk of their market is specifically very qualified medical professionals. They also take toxicity issues very seriously and very ethically. I did a very brief experiment with Argentyn 23 and an abrasion. When one applies their isolated silver to to such a wound, cell replication is actually VISIBLE within 20-45 minutes of application. It's quite astounding. One of the most significant, among many, properties of this product is that it is pyrogen and endotoxin free, and correctly PH balanced. So on one hand, it's insane to deprive oneself of silver because one is not financially well off... In many cases, I certainly consider it "not very wise" to purchase a retail silver when quality generators exist ( or can be made ) that serve most excellently. However, I also consider it not very wise to settle for anything less than the best if you are in the position to acquire it, and a loved one's life may depend on it. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>My silvergen machine > Bailar, > > Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any > kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded > that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so > ready to ditch the Silvergen. > > Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS > you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take > daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently > effective? > > I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I > could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their > silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do > not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what > they are talking about. For instance, in their "comparisons" they have > listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition > of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested > as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the > photo of various CS products. > > Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because > you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural > immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see > curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one > will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I > am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign > Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is > that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. > > While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and > effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective > CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality > generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth > is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a > really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. > That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as > much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on > whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. > > Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent > of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity > desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, > I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict > myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford > to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to > use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so > greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully > effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my &
Re: CS>My silvergen machine
Bailar, Actually I didn't find Bob's post harsh at all, nor did I see it as any kind of insult or attack, but that is just me, because I am astounded that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so ready to ditch the Silvergen. Anyway, I'd like to ask you for a lot more detail. What ppm was the CS you made in your Silvergen? What amount of your homemade CS did you take daily and for how long before determining it was not sufficiently effective? I would also like to know what ppm the Sovereign Silver says it is. I could not find out at their website. I found their claims for their silver interesting, but their claims that homemade CS is poor quality do not impress me because they don't give enough definition of exactly what they are talking about. For instance, in their "comparisons" they have listed a homemade CS made with 27 volts, but not much other definition of it. That just isn't enough info to determine exactly what they tested as supposedly being representative of ALL homemade CS. Same with the photo of various CS products. Without more information, there is nothing to be curious about, because you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural immunogenics. Give us some details to ponder and I think you will see curiosity. Even if you find the SS to be highly effective, I for one will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS. And I am extremely curious to know how much, say, a week of the Sovereign Silver is going to cost you at the dosage you will use for Lyme. What is that dosage, actually? I'm not clear on that either. While it may be correct that Sovereign Silver is a very good and effective product, my opinion is that a very, very, good and effective CS can be made with a Silvergen, Silverpuppy, or other quality generator. Any difference in effectiveness (if there actually in truth is any, which in my opinion is arguable) between Sovereign Silver and a really good homemade CS can be made non-existent by adjusting dosage. That is the beauty and advantage of homemade CS, one can simply take as much as needed to do the job. You can get just as drunk on beer as on whiskey, you just have to drink more beer to do the same job. Most members of this list seem to be people who like to be independent of commercial suppliers. Liking to be able to make CS in any quantity desired as frequently as they like, in a range of ppm as needed. Myself, I don't want to have to buy CS when I need it, nor do I wish to restrict myself to taking only teaspoons at a time. Nor could I remotely afford to use CS for the multiple other uses I have found for it if I were to use the Sovereign Silver. That may be what puzzles some of us so greatly, a teaspoon or a cup of Sovereign Silver may be a wonderfully effective thing, but my belief is that I can simply take more of my homemade CS to adjust for the same level of effectiveness. And being able to make CS at home is a huge hedge against commercial CS ever becoming unavailable. I'd also like to know if anyone here knows of any independent lab tests on Sovereign Silver? It seems to be recommended as a reputable product, but I'd like to see an independent test before I take at face value the statements at the natural immunogenics website. TIA, sol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>My silvergen machine
Bailar, Thanks for being tolerant. Bob Smith's posting *was* harsh. I suspect it was harsher than he intended, given how crude this medium is for the expression of emotional nuances. We always have to be scrupulously careful about how our words will come across (Got that, Bob? ), as well as being slow to take offense, for which I thank *you*, ma'am. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner > Folks, I've looked at some of your messages that haven't made it into > the digest yet. > > Do me a favor, don't judge or blame. It is not a healing approach. You > can do better than the tone of some of your posts. I consider myself a > good judge of what works for me or doesn't. You know none of the details > of my life. No, I DON'T EXPECT MIRACLES, to quote back to somebody. What > I do expect is respect, kindness and even curiosity to see how I do on a > form of silver that has already been discussed here anyway and is well > respected. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>My Silvergen Machine
Hi Marshall, I remember you talking about your sister before. Thanx for your input. I really do want to try natural immunogenics after my talk with another lymie and with Stephen Levine. I will get back to everybody on any results. Thanx again for the advice on the bob beck stuff.
Re: CS>My Silvergen Machine
bailar wrote: > I hope nobody minds this but I am not using Trem's silver machine. I made > one batch at the beginning (I have lyme) and tho I noticed some effect, it > wasn't strong enough, because some knowledgeable people in the lyme > community are using hte natural immunogenics (expensive!) which was even > just recommended to me by Stephen Levine of AllergyResearchGroup, I am going > to use that instead. Many of us here have taken care of Lyme with home made EIS/CS. Others licked it using the full Bob Beck protocol of CS, blood electrification, magnetic pulsing and ozonated water. > One lymie I am in contact with feels significantly better on the natural > immunogenics. As I feel sure they would on homemade EIS. > It may be with lyme you need the > absolute smallest particle to get into the cells where it hides, I don't > know. Lyme is a situation all unto itself, I think. Therefore, having used > Trem's good machine only once to make silver, I think I ought to sell it. As > everybody knows it costs $199 but I could sell it for $159 or $40 off and > its still bascially new. I hope its okay to post this on this list, I don't > know the exact rules but this is a sincere posting. I just see it sitting > around and maybe somebody wants one and could use a discount. This is NOT an > insult to Trem's machine. I have a difficult case. Why would you want to do that? It is easier, faster, and less expensive to make your own. And you KNOW what you have when you do. > > > Also, do people really feel the bob becker electrical pulser is necessary > also in lyme? >From the experiences of others, it seems to depend on how advanced the lyme is. It seems that EIS or CS alone may be all that is needed if treated early, but once it gets into the lymph, nervous system, cartlidges and brain, the other protocols may well be needed. My sister did not recover fully until she did the magnetic pulsing, but reported to me about an 80% improvement with only CS/EIS. > For those who have lyme and used it, how often did they use > the electrical pulser, ie every day, and for how long? SInce that gets into > the bloodstream,and lyme mostly hides inside the cells, do they have any > thoughts on how it might have helped? Thanx again. The magnetic pulsar is reported to be primarily for getting to those in the lymph system. The pulsing is done daily for 16 or so pulses on each nymph node if I recall the instructions correctly. Once again, I am not a doctor but simply reporting what others have told me, my own experiences, and what I have read elsewhere. Marshall > > > Also, I should mention though this is off topic, that I use an LED device > that is really quite remarkable. I use it every day. It is from > www.cheeenergy.com. It is handheldand pulses to Nogier frequencies and has > red infrared white and blue, diff. frequencies. It is not curative of lyme > in any way, but it seems to have a nice systemic effect of relaxation and > helps put me to sleep. > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, MIRACLES? Sorry for the impulse to use caps. But lets face it. This is ridiculous. I have had no experience with Lyme, but from all accounts, recovery is a slow process. If you noticed some effect from one batch, why not continue? For your own sake, I hope you can't sell it and give it an honest chance. From one who has personally had remarkable results from EIS made with my SG6. Bob Smith - Original Message - From: "bailar" To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: CS>My Silvergen Machine > I hope nobody minds this but I am not using Trem's silver machine. I made > one batch at the beginning (I have lyme) and tho I noticed some effect, it > wasn't strong enough, because some knowledgeable people in the lyme > community are using hte natural immunogenics (expensive!) which was even > just recommended to me by Stephen Levine of AllergyResearchGroup, I am going > to use that instead. One lymie I am in contact with feels significantly > better on the natural immunogenics. It may be with lyme you need the > absolute smallest particle to get into the cells where it hides, I don't > know. Lyme is a situation all unto itself, I think. Therefore, having used > Trem's good machine only once to make silver, I think I ought to sell it. As > everybody knows it costs $199 but I could sell it for $159 or $40 off and > its still bascially new. I hope its okay to post this on this list, I don't > know the exact rules but this is a sincere posting. I just see it sitting > around and maybe somebody wants one and could use a discount. This is NOT an > insult to Trem's machine. I have a difficult case. > > Also, do people really feel the bob becker electrical pulser is necessary > also in lyme? For those who have lyme and used it, how often did they use > the electrical pulser, ie every day, and for how long? SInce that gets into > the bloodstream,and lyme mostly hides inside the cells, do they have any > thoughts on how it might have helped? Thanx again. > > Also, I should mention though this is off topic, that I use an LED device > that is really quite remarkable. I use it every day. It is from > www.cheeenergy.com. It is handheldand pulses to Nogier frequencies and has > red infrared white and blue, diff. frequencies. It is not curative of lyme > in any way, but it seems to have a nice systemic effect of relaxation and > helps put me to sleep. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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http://lymephotos.com I don't have any experience with it; just passing it on. It would seem that more sodium into the cell, along with Vit c would be a good thing. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
