Re: [Simh] PDP11 oddity with RSTS 9.6

[Gene Irwin]

Thanks for the fast response.  Yes, I have tried 3.9 and 4.0 and have the
same issue.
I haven't yet found out what version the author of the script and prebuilt
rpo6 used.

Yes, during sysgen it seems to recognize the printer, and printers defaults
to 1.

the config.mac is:
$ type config.mac
TITLE CONFIG,,11,03-Feb-98,RSTS

;
; COPYRIGHT (c) 1974, 1998 BY
; DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION, MAYNARD, MASS.
;
; THIS SOFTWARE IS FURNISHED UNDER A LICENSE AND MAY BE USED AND  COPIED
; ONLY  IN  ACCORDANCE  WITH  THE  TERMS  OF  SUCH  LICENSE AND WITH THE
; INCLUSION OF THE ABOVE COPYRIGHT NOTICE.  THIS SOFTWARE OR  ANY  OTHER
; COPIES  THEREOF MAY NOT BE PROVIDED OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANY
; OTHER PERSON.  NO TITLE TO AND OWNERSHIP OF  THE  SOFTWARE  IS  HEREBY
; TRANSFERRED.
;
; THE INFORMATION IN THIS SOFTWARE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE  WITHOUT  NOTICE
; AND  SHOULD  NOT  BE  CONSTRUED  AS  A COMMITMENT BY DIGITAL EQUIPMENT
; CORPORATION.
;
; DIGITAL ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE  OR  RELIABILITY  OF ITS
; SOFTWARE ON EQUIPMENT WHICH IS NOT SUPPLIED BY DIGITAL.
;
; SYSTEM LEVEL

SYSVEN = "11 ;EDIT NUMBER

; DISKS

CNT.DC = 0. ;1. IF RC11; ELSE 0
CNT.DF = 0.  ;1. IF RF11/RS11; ELSE 0
CNT.DS = 0.  ;# OF RS03/RS04'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DV == 1. ;1. IF MEMORY DISK; ELSE 0
CNT.DK == 0. ;# OF RK05'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DL == 0. ;# OF RL01/2'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DM == 0. ;# OF RK06/7'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DP == 0. ;# OF RP02/RP03'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DR == 0. ;# OF RM02/03/05/80'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DB == 8. ;# OF RP04/5/6'S; ELSE 0
CNT.DU == 0. ;# OF RA80'S; ELSE 0

; OTHER DEVICES

TM02 == 8. ;# OF TU16/TE16/TU45/TU77'S; ELSE 0

TM11 == 0. ;# OF TU10/TE10/TS03'S; ELSE 0

TS11 == 0. ;# OF TS11'S; ELSE 0

TMSCP == 0. ;# OF TMSCP UNIT'S; ELSE 0

TC11 == 0. ;# OF DECTAPE DRIVES; ELSE 0

TU58 == 0. ;# OF DECTAPE II DRIVES; ELSE 0

LP11 == 1. ;# OF LINE PRINTERS; ELSE 0

RX11 == 0. ;# OF FLOPPY DRIVES; ELSE 0

DMC11 == 0. ;# OF DMC11'S/DMR11'S; ELSE 0

DMP11 == 0. ;# OF DMP11'S/DMV11'S; ELSE 0

KMC11 == 0. ;# OF KMC11'S; ELSE 0

II11 == 0. ;# OF KMC/3271 LINKS; ELSE 0

CR11 == 0. ;1 IF CR11/CM11; ELSE 0

CD11 == 0. ;1 IF CD11; ELSE 0

PR11 == 1. ;1 IF PAPER TAPE READER/PUNCH; ELSE 0

PP11 == 1. ;SAME AS PR11;

RJ2780 = 0   ;"DP OR "DU FOR 2780; ELSE 0

; SYSTEM PARAMETERS

JOBMAX = 25. ;MAXIMUM # OF JOBS

SMLBUF = 636.   ;# OF SMALL BUFFERS
$

%

the sysgen script is:
;---
; Disable devices, we'll enable what we need later
;---
set CR disable
set DZ disable
set HK disable
set RK disable
set RL disable
set RP disable
set RQ disable
set RQB disable
set RQC disable
set RQD disable
set RX disable
set RY disable
;set TA disable
set TC disable
set TM disable
set TS disable
set TQ disable
set TU disable
set VH disable
set XQ disable
set XQB disable
set XU disable
set XUB disable

;--
; Turn on Escape Sequences
;--
set console pchar=123600

;--
; type  bus  memMMU?  Umap? EIS? FIS? FPP? CIS?
;==
; 11/03  Q   64K nono   std  opt   no   no
; 11/04  U   64K nonono   no   no   no
; 11/05  U   64K nonono   no   no   no
; 11/20  U   64K nonono   no   no   no
; 11/23  Q4Mstdno   std   no  opt  opt
; 11/23+ Q4Mstdno   std   no  opt  opt
; 11/24  U4Mstd   std   std   no  opt  opt
; 11/34  U  256Kstdno   std   no  opt   no
; 11/40  U  256Kstdno   std  opt   no   no
; 11/44  U4Mstd   std   std   no  opt  opt
; 11/45  U  256Kstdno   std   no  opt   no
; 11/53  Q4Mstdno   std   no  std  opt
; 11/60  U  256Kstdno   std   no  std   no
; 11/70  U4Mstd   std   std   no  opt   no
; 11/73  Q4Mstdno   std   no  std  opt
; 11/73B Q4Mstdno   std   no  std  opt
; 11/83  Q4Mstdno   std   no  std  opt
; 11/84  U4Mstd   std   std   no  std  opt
; 11/93  Q4Mstdno   std   no  std  opt
; 11/94  U4Mstd   std   std   no  std  opt
;-
echo PDP-11/73 with 4 meg of memory
echo
set cpu 11/73
set cpu 4m
set cpu cis

;
; RX11/RX01 Floppy Disk (RX)2 Drives - DX
;
; SET RX enable
; SET RXn LOCKEDset unit n write locked
; SET RXn WRITEENABLED  set unit n write enabled
; ATTACH RXn 
; DETACH RXn
;

Re: [Simh] PDP11 oddity with RSTS 9.6

[Paul Koning]

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Paul Koning  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Gene Irwin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello guys,
>> 
>> I have tried simh 3.9 and 4.0 and have this odd issue.
>> 
>> I got a copy of a built rsts on rpo6, and the copies of the .tap files used 
>> to gen this image.  it is v9.6.
>> 
>> If I boot the prebuilt hard drive image the system comes up just fine.
>> 
>> If I boot the tape and go through the sysgen process the hard drive image 
>> that is built has no lp0: device in the monitor, and the spooler fails 
>> during boot and keeps the rest of the start.com script from running, making 
>> the system come up in a single user mode with job max at 2.
>> 
>> I've tried diferent processors (11/70 up to 11/94), LPT is enabled in simh, 
>> and I'm not sure what to try next.  
>> 
>> If I boot the prebuilt image and do show devices _LP0: is present.
>> If I boot the sysgen'd image and do show devices, there is no _LP0:
> 
> Did you ask for line printers during sysgen?  Can you show the generated 
> config.mac (produced by running the sysgen program)?

Something else to try.

After boot, at the "start timesharing" prompt, ask for "hardware list".  It 
should show the LP; if not, it meas that the boot autoconfiguration code did 
not see an LP controller.

If it's shown there, start with the "START" command (not just Return for the 
default fast start).  Look for device disabled messages before the prompt from 
the startup script.

paul


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Re: [Simh] PDP11 oddity with RSTS 9.6

[Paul Koning]

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Gene Irwin  wrote:
> 
> Hello guys,
> 
> I have tried simh 3.9 and 4.0 and have this odd issue.
> 
> I got a copy of a built rsts on rpo6, and the copies of the .tap files used 
> to gen this image.  it is v9.6.
> 
> If I boot the prebuilt hard drive image the system comes up just fine.
> 
> If I boot the tape and go through the sysgen process the hard drive image 
> that is built has no lp0: device in the monitor, and the spooler fails during 
> boot and keeps the rest of the start.com script from running, making the 
> system come up in a single user mode with job max at 2.
> 
> I've tried diferent processors (11/70 up to 11/94), LPT is enabled in simh, 
> and I'm not sure what to try next.  
> 
> If I boot the prebuilt image and do show devices _LP0: is present.
> If I boot the sysgen'd image and do show devices, there is no _LP0:

Did you ask for line printers during sysgen?  Can you show the generated 
config.mac (produced by running the sysgen program)?

paul


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Re: [Simh] Interdata OS/32 - MTM

[Davis Johnson]

On 2/3/2016 2:23 PM, Don Stalkowski wrote:

It seems that in oder to do anything useful with OS/32 I'm going to
need MTM. Unfortunately, MTM is not available for 8.1 but a tape
for 6.2 may be on bitsavers. I set up a 6.2 system and unpacked the
tape with this result:

Hard to say. That is probably most of it.
Try this:
Type 'MTMSGN MAC' at the console prompt. That should create a new mtm 
using parameters from MTMPARMS.MAC.


The usual thing to do is copy MTMPARMS.MAC to your own file, say 
MTMPARMS.001


Then you would run MTMSGN 001 to create a customized MTM.

MTM configuration is hard enough with the manual...

I'll try to find somthing this week end.



Is this enough to run MTM?

There appears to be no MTM documentation on bitsavers. Is there
a quick and easy way to run MTM?

Thanks, Don

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Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6

[Will Senn]

On 2/2/16 5:17 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:


You are welcome.
That said, there are a few points I should make here.

As you log into the demo account, you are getting into DCL.
DCL is a CLI, but it is not the same as MCR. Thus, DCL actually have 
different commands, but normally if DCL do not understand what you 
wrote, it passes it on to MCR, which saved you here.


So, editing in DCL is normally done with the command "EDIT". "EDT" is 
the MCR command.


You are using the DCL PASCAL command, good.

TKB is once more a MCR command. The DCL command would be:

LINK HELLO,LB:[1,1]PASOTS/LIBRARY

DCL commands and qualifiers can be abbreviated. See HELP.

Johnny



Got it. So, I did:

$ edit leaves.pas
Input file does not exist
[EOB]
*i
program leaves(output);
var
a,b,sum,r,count : integer;

begin
a := 0;b := 0;sum := 1;count:= 21;

repeat
sum := sum + a;
a := b;
b := sum;
count := count - 1;
until count = 0;
write('sum = ':30,sum:10)
end.
^Z
[EOB]
*ex
DB0:[USER]LEAVES.PAS;1 15 lines

$ pascal leaves.pas

Then, to link, it appears that I have choices, all of which appear to work:

$ link leaves,DB0:[11,36]PASEIS/LIBRARY
$ link leaves,DB0:[11,36]PASFPP/LIBRARY
$ link leaves,LB:[1,1]PASOTS/LIBRARY

$ run LEAVES
sum =  10946

I'm guessing that PASEIS uses PDP11 EIS opcode extensions (sometimes?) 
and PASFPP uses PDP11 FPP opcode extensions (sometimes?). I have no idea 
about PASOTS. But I'm glad my little pascal files are compiling/running!


Will


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[Simh] Interdata OS/32 - MTM

[Don Stalkowski]

It seems that in oder to do anything useful with OS/32 I'm going to
need MTM. Unfortunately, MTM is not available for 8.1 but a tape
for 6.2 may be on bitsavers. I set up a 6.2 system and unpacked the
tape with this result:

*14:08:55   BACKUP:BACKUP INFORMATION FROM TAPE :
*14:08:55   BACKUP:BACKUP 03-00   DATE RUN NOV/18/83 10:48   VOLUME PIC
*14:08:55   BACKUP:  SELECT SYS2:S083.CMD/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:
*14:08:55   BACKUP:INFORM  .CSS/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTM .TSK/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTMSGN  .MAC/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:NEOU62  .LIB/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTMSGN  .CSS/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTMMAIN .OBJ/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTMASST .OBJ/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTMPARMS.MAC/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MTMASST .TSK/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:NEOU62  .LNK/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:NEOU62  .TSK/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:ACTUTY  .TSK/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:ACTUTY  .OBJ/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:SINGMTM .HLP/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:MULTMTM .HLP/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:DISPMTM .HLP/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:EOU .CSS/0
*14:08:55   BACKUP:OPTION VERIFY
*14:08:55   BACKUP:OPTION VERIFY
*14:08:55   BACKUP:I/O ERROR LU= 1 STATUS=8800 ON MAG1:
*14:08:55   BACKUP:I/O ERROR LU= 1 STATUS=8800 ON MAG1:
*14:08:55   BACKUP:TASK PAUSED
*CANCEL BACKUP

Is this enough to run MTM?

There appears to be no MTM documentation on bitsavers. Is there
a quick and easy way to run MTM?

Thanks, Don

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[Simh] PDP11 oddity with RSTS 9.6

[Gene Irwin]

Hello guys,

I have tried simh 3.9 and 4.0 and have this odd issue.

I got a copy of a built rsts on rpo6, and the copies of the .tap files used
to gen this image.  it is v9.6.

If I boot the prebuilt hard drive image the system comes up just fine.

If I boot the tape and go through the sysgen process the hard drive image
that is built has no lp0: device in the monitor, and the spooler fails
during boot and keeps the rest of the start.com script from running, making
the system come up in a single user mode with job max at 2.

I've tried diferent processors (11/70 up to 11/94), LPT is enabled in simh,
and I'm not sure what to try next.

If I boot the prebuilt image and do show devices _LP0: is present.
If I boot the sysgen'd image and do show devices, there is no _LP0:

anyone got any ideas?
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Re: [Simh] PDP11 oddity with RSTS 9.6

[Mark Pizzolato]

Hi Gene,

It is not clear if you say you’re seeing the same behavior on 3.9 vs 4.0.

Please confirm.

Also your configuration file and the output of sim> SHOW VERSION on 4.0 will be 
useful.

The point of these questions is to determine if you’re having a simh issue or a 
rsts issue.


-  Mark

From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Gene Irwin
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 11:47 AM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: [Simh] PDP11 oddity with RSTS 9.6

Hello guys,
I have tried simh 3.9 and 4.0 and have this odd issue.
I got a copy of a built rsts on rpo6, and the copies of the .tap files used to 
gen this image.  it is v9.6.
If I boot the prebuilt hard drive image the system comes up just fine.
If I boot the tape and go through the sysgen process the hard drive image that 
is built has no lp0: device in the monitor, and the spooler fails during boot 
and keeps the rest of the start.com script from running, 
making the system come up in a single user mode with job max at 2.
I've tried diferent processors (11/70 up to 11/94), LPT is enabled in simh, and 
I'm not sure what to try next.
If I boot the prebuilt image and do show devices _LP0: is present.
If I boot the sysgen'd image and do show devices, there is no _LP0:
anyone got any ideas?
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