Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Sergii Kolisnyk]

Isn't ConnectBot a good enough VT-100 ?

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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Mark Pizzolato]

Not that I know of, but I’d try:

sim> ATT XQ NAT:TCP=2023:10.0.2.10:23

and then on your host(kindle) do:

$ telnet localhost 2023
Or
$ telnet your-host-ip 2023

Clearly you’d need to be running a telnet daemon on the OS inside the simulator…


-  Mark

From: Henry Bent [mailto:henry.r.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 2:02 PM
To: Mark Pizzolato 
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

Doesn't seem to work:

NAT args:
NAT network setup:
gateway   
=10.0.2.2/24(255.255.255.0)
DNS   =10.0.2.3
dhcp_start=10.0.2.15
  Protocol[State]FD  Source Address  Port   Dest. Address  Port RecvQ SendQ
Eth: opened OS device nat:
...
4.2 BSD UNIX #1: Wed Jul 13 10:48:29 PDT 1983
...
virtua# ifconfig de0 10.0.2.10
virtua# ifconfig de0 -trailers
virtua# route add default 10.0.2.2 0
add 0.0.0: gateway 10.0.2.2, flags 1
myname# ftp 192.168.1.63
ftp: connect: Connection timed out
ftp> quit
myname# ftp 199.233.217.201
ftp: connect: Connection timed out
ftp>
It can't talk to my internal network or the outside world.  What's the next 
step?  Is there a way to force NAT to use a specific interface on the host?

-Henry

On 1 April 2016 at 16:10, Mark Pizzolato 
mailto:m...@infocomm.com>> wrote:

I'm surprised that the NAT(SLiRP) connectivity isn't useful here.



Meanwhile, a while back it was no problem to build the current codebase with 
the ADK.  I haven't tried in a few years, but there it s no reason it shouldn't 
still work.
On 1 April 2016 at 15:54, Ray Jewhurst 
mailto:raywjewhu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I used to use the SIMH for the Android (which cost me about $13) but now that I 
have Lollipop.  It doesn't work anymore.  I know I could hack my tablet but 
it's connected through a Cell service provider so I'd rather not.  I know the 
terminal I used Better Terminal Emulator Pro which was required for the port.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Henry Bent 
mailto:henry.r.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so I 
decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and rooting 
the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so 
cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work (as 
recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered to a 
server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for such a small 
device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so approximately 5 VUP.  
Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a simulated 11/780!  Next step is 
to get some sort of console working - right now there's no way that I have 
found to display console output on the screen.
-Henry

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Oh, somebody made SIMH a paid app?  That's no fun... In theory it should be 
easy enough to cross-compile binaries using the Android NDK.  I'll look into it 
at some point when I have a little bit of time.  Of course networking isn't 
going to work over wireless, but I suppose there's still plenty to do without 
it.
-Henry

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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Henry Bent]

Doesn't seem to work:

NAT args:
NAT network setup:
gateway   =10.0.2.2/24(255.255.255.0)
DNS   =10.0.2.3
dhcp_start=10.0.2.15
  Protocol[State]FD  Source Address  Port   Dest. Address  Port RecvQ
SendQ
Eth: opened OS device nat:
...
4.2 BSD UNIX #1: Wed Jul 13 10:48:29 PDT 1983
...
virtua# ifconfig de0 10.0.2.10
virtua# ifconfig de0 -trailers
virtua# route add default 10.0.2.2 0
add 0.0.0: gateway 10.0.2.2, flags 1
myname# ftp 192.168.1.63
ftp: connect: Connection timed out
ftp> quit
myname# ftp 199.233.217.201
ftp: connect: Connection timed out
ftp>

It can't talk to my internal network or the outside world.  What's the next
step?  Is there a way to force NAT to use a specific interface on the host?

-Henry

On 1 April 2016 at 16:10, Mark Pizzolato  wrote:

> I'm surprised that the NAT(SLiRP) connectivity isn't useful here.
>
> Meanwhile, a while back it was no problem to build the current codebase with 
> the ADK.  I haven't tried in a few years, but there it s no reason it 
> shouldn't still work.
>
> On 1 April 2016 at 15:54, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:
>
>> I used to use the SIMH for the Android (which cost me about $13) but now
>> that I have Lollipop.  It doesn't work anymore.  I know I could hack my
>> tablet but it's connected through a Cell service provider so I'd rather
>> not.  I know the terminal I used Better Terminal Emulator Pro which was
>> required for the port.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Henry Bent 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so
>>> I decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and
>>> rooting the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so
>>> cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work
>>> (as recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered
>>> to a server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for
>>> such a small device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so
>>> approximately 5 VUP.  Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a
>>> simulated 11/780!  Next step is to get some sort of console working - right
>>> now there's no way that I have found to display console output on the
>>> screen.
>>>
>>> -Henry
>>>
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>>
> Oh, somebody made SIMH a paid app?  That's no fun... In theory it should
> be easy enough to cross-compile binaries using the Android NDK.  I'll look
> into it at some point when I have a little bit of time.  Of course
> networking isn't going to work over wireless, but I suppose there's still
> plenty to do without it.
>
> -Henry
>
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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Bob Eager]

On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:10:40 -0700
Mark Pizzolato  wrote:

> I'm surprised that the NAT(SLiRP) connectivity isn't useful here.
> 
> Meanwhile, a while back it was no problem to build the current
> codebase with the ADK.  I haven't tried in a few years, but there it
> s no reason it shouldn't still work.

I'm sure it will build OK. But it relied on Better Terminal Pro and
that is broken.
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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Henry Bent]

Oh, I hadn't thought to try NAT.  I'll give it a shot.

-Henry

On 1 April 2016 at 16:10, Mark Pizzolato  wrote:

> I'm surprised that the NAT(SLiRP) connectivity isn't useful here.
>
> Meanwhile, a while back it was no problem to build the current codebase with 
> the ADK.  I haven't tried in a few years, but there it s no reason it 
> shouldn't still work.
>
> On 1 April 2016 at 15:54, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:
>
>> I used to use the SIMH for the Android (which cost me about $13) but now
>> that I have Lollipop.  It doesn't work anymore.  I know I could hack my
>> tablet but it's connected through a Cell service provider so I'd rather
>> not.  I know the terminal I used Better Terminal Emulator Pro which was
>> required for the port.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Henry Bent 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so
>>> I decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and
>>> rooting the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so
>>> cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work
>>> (as recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered
>>> to a server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for
>>> such a small device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so
>>> approximately 5 VUP.  Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a
>>> simulated 11/780!  Next step is to get some sort of console working - right
>>> now there's no way that I have found to display console output on the
>>> screen.
>>>
>>> -Henry
>>>
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>>
>>
> Oh, somebody made SIMH a paid app?  That's no fun... In theory it should
> be easy enough to cross-compile binaries using the Android NDK.  I'll look
> into it at some point when I have a little bit of time.  Of course
> networking isn't going to work over wireless, but I suppose there's still
> plenty to do without it.
>
> -Henry
>
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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Mark Pizzolato]

I'm surprised that the NAT(SLiRP) connectivity isn't useful here.

Meanwhile, a while back it was no problem to build the current codebase with 
the ADK.  I haven't tried in a few years, but there it s no reason it shouldn't 
still work.

On 1 April 2016 at 15:54, Ray Jewhurst 
mailto:raywjewhu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I used to use the SIMH for the Android (which cost me about $13) but now that I 
have Lollipop.  It doesn't work anymore.  I know I could hack my tablet but 
it's connected through a Cell service provider so I'd rather not.  I know the 
terminal I used Better Terminal Emulator Pro which was required for the port.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Henry Bent 
mailto:henry.r.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so I 
decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and rooting 
the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so 
cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work (as 
recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered to a 
server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for such a small 
device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so approximately 5 VUP.  
Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a simulated 11/780!  Next step is 
to get some sort of console working - right now there's no way that I have 
found to display console output on the screen.

-Henry

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Oh, somebody made SIMH a paid app?  That's no fun... In theory it should be 
easy enough to cross-compile binaries using the Android NDK.  I'll look into it 
at some point when I have a little bit of time.  Of course networking isn't 
going to work over wireless, but I suppose there's still plenty to do without 
it.

-Henry
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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Henry Bent]

On 1 April 2016 at 15:54, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:

> I used to use the SIMH for the Android (which cost me about $13) but now
> that I have Lollipop.  It doesn't work anymore.  I know I could hack my
> tablet but it's connected through a Cell service provider so I'd rather
> not.  I know the terminal I used Better Terminal Emulator Pro which was
> required for the port.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Henry Bent  wrote:
>
>> I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so
>> I decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and
>> rooting the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so
>> cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work
>> (as recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered
>> to a server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for
>> such a small device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so
>> approximately 5 VUP.  Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a
>> simulated 11/780!  Next step is to get some sort of console working - right
>> now there's no way that I have found to display console output on the
>> screen.
>>
>> -Henry
>>
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>
Oh, somebody made SIMH a paid app?  That's no fun... In theory it should be
easy enough to cross-compile binaries using the Android NDK.  I'll look
into it at some point when I have a little bit of time.  Of course
networking isn't going to work over wireless, but I suppose there's still
plenty to do without it.

-Henry
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Re: [Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Ray Jewhurst]

I used to use the SIMH for the Android (which cost me about $13) but now
that I have Lollipop.  It doesn't work anymore.  I know I could hack my
tablet but it's connected through a Cell service provider so I'd rather
not.  I know the terminal I used Better Terminal Emulator Pro which was
required for the port.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Henry Bent  wrote:

> I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so I
> decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and
> rooting the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so
> cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work
> (as recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered
> to a server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for
> such a small device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so
> approximately 5 VUP.  Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a
> simulated 11/780!  Next step is to get some sort of console working - right
> now there's no way that I have found to display console output on the
> screen.
>
> -Henry
>
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[Simh] SIMH VAX on a Kindle

[Henry Bent]

I ended up with a spare Kindle Touch and didn't need an ebook reader, so I
decided it might make a nice platform for SIMH.  After jailbreaking and
rooting the Kindle, it's just Linux (and X11 for the Kindle interface) so
cross-compiling SIMH was easy.  Networking over wifi obviously doesn't work
(as recently discussed here) but networking over USB does, so it's tethered
to a server for connection sharing.  The performance is pretty good for
such a small device.  It's about equivalent to a real VAX 4000/200, so
approximately 5 VUP.  Certainly more than fast enough for 4.2BSD on a
simulated 11/780!  Next step is to get some sort of console working - right
now there's no way that I have found to display console output on the
screen.

-Henry
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