Re: [Simh] Fwd: Re: EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK

[Mark Pizzolato]

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Not sure what kind of pains or issues you see.
> I've been writing code that deals with network interfaces for many years, and
> on Unix it usually just works and is very simple, while on Windows machines,
> it's a pain in the butt, if it works at all.
> 
> And I've used the same code on both Linux, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and it
> works the same on all of them.
> 
> Also been running simh on both OSX and Linux with no problems with the
> networks at all, for many years.
> 
> So in a way I'm very curious what kind of problems you experience, and in
> which way you find Windows works better for you, and in another way I just
> feel like pointing out that at least I do not share your experience at all.

Not to suggest that anyone will change anything about what their 
favorite platforms are, but since you raised the question...
Some things are actually simpler with a Windows host system running 
a simh simulator with Ethernet connectivity.  Specifically, to achieve 
TCP/IP connectivity between the host system and a OS running within 
a simh simulator on that Windows box, there are absolutely no extra 
steps.  It just works.

Most/all Unix or Unix like operating systems have significant 
potentially complicated extra steps to achieve such communications.

Sure, often direct communications may not be necessary since much 
access can be achieved via telnet talking to the simulated system's 
simulated serial ports, but that just side steps the problem.

- Mark
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Re: [Simh] Fwd: Re: EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK

[Ray Jewhurst]

Well truth be told even for most things I prefer Linux, I have been using
Windows both as an end user and an IT professional since the early 90s, I
am a rank amateur in Unix like systems. With Windows I know every in and
out but I'm kind of clunky still with Unix. Also I am a very hands-on
learner and my only Linux education is from Web surfing. I'm sure if I
learned the nuances I'd be better but I am still CLI-intimidated.

Ray

On Sep 4, 2016 7:54 PM, "Johnny Billquist"  wrote:

Not sure what kind of pains or issues you see.
I've been writing code that deals with network interfaces for many years,
and on Unix it usually just works and is very simple, while on Windows
machines, it's a pain in the butt, if it works at all.

And I've used the same code on both Linux, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and it works
the same on all of them.

Also been running simh on both OSX and Linux with no problems with the
networks at all, for many years.

So in a way I'm very curious what kind of problems you experience, and in
which way you find Windows works better for you, and in another way I just
feel like pointing out that at least I do not share your experience at all.

Johnny


On 2016-09-05 01:36, Ray Jewhurst wrote:

> Oops forgot to reply all
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Ray Jewhurst"  >
> Date: Sep 4, 2016 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK
> To: "Cory Smelosky" >
> Cc:
>
> Well at least you are running bare metal. Trying to to run in
> promiscuous mode with *nix as a host is a pain.
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2016 7:31 PM, "Cory Smelosky"  > wrote:
>
> Turns out I incorrectly configured NIC failover in my ESX config ;)
>
> I'm doing FreeBSD in ESX.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 16:29, Ray Jewhurst  > wrote:
>
> What is your guest OS? I have learned that for running
>> emulator-on-vm, Windows XP works best. The worst is NetBSD and the
>> kicker is that it is the only modern OS that runs TME easily.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2016 1:14 AM, "Cory Smelosky" > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems the network issues I was seeing had absolutely
>> nothing to do with SIMH...and everything to do with the fact
>> somewhere in my VMware system packets were being duplicated...
>>
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Re: [Simh] Fwd: Re: EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK

[Johnny Billquist]

Not sure what kind of pains or issues you see.
I've been writing code that deals with network interfaces for many 
years, and on Unix it usually just works and is very simple, while on 
Windows machines, it's a pain in the butt, if it works at all.


And I've used the same code on both Linux, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and it 
works the same on all of them.


Also been running simh on both OSX and Linux with no problems with the 
networks at all, for many years.


So in a way I'm very curious what kind of problems you experience, and 
in which way you find Windows works better for you, and in another way I 
just feel like pointing out that at least I do not share your experience 
at all.


Johnny

On 2016-09-05 01:36, Ray Jewhurst wrote:

Oops forgot to reply all

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From: "Ray Jewhurst" >
Date: Sep 4, 2016 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK
To: "Cory Smelosky" >
Cc:

Well at least you are running bare metal. Trying to to run in
promiscuous mode with *nix as a host is a pain.


On Sep 4, 2016 7:31 PM, "Cory Smelosky" > wrote:

Turns out I incorrectly configured NIC failover in my ESX config ;)

I'm doing FreeBSD in ESX.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2016, at 16:29, Ray Jewhurst > wrote:


What is your guest OS? I have learned that for running
emulator-on-vm, Windows XP works best. The worst is NetBSD and the
kicker is that it is the only modern OS that runs TME easily.

Ray


On Sep 3, 2016 1:14 AM, "Cory Smelosky" > wrote:


It seems the network issues I was seeing had absolutely
nothing to do with SIMH...and everything to do with the fact
somewhere in my VMware system packets were being duplicated...

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[Simh] Fwd: Re: EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK

[Ray Jewhurst]

Oops forgot to reply all
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Ray Jewhurst" 
Date: Sep 4, 2016 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK
To: "Cory Smelosky" 
Cc:

Well at least you are running bare metal. Trying to to run in promiscuous
mode with *nix as a host is a pain.

On Sep 4, 2016 7:31 PM, "Cory Smelosky"  wrote:

> Turns out I incorrectly configured NIC failover in my ESX config ;)
>
> I'm doing FreeBSD in ESX.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 16:29, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:
>
> What is your guest OS? I have learned that for running emulator-on-vm,
> Windows XP works best. The worst is NetBSD and the kicker is that it is the
> only modern OS that runs TME easily.
>
> Ray
>
> On Sep 3, 2016 1:14 AM, "Cory Smelosky"  wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems the network issues I was seeing had absolutely nothing to do
>> with SIMH...and everything to do with the fact somewhere in my VMware
>> system packets were being duplicated...
>>
>> --
>> Cory Smelosky
>> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
>> http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK

[Cory Smelosky]

Turns out I incorrectly configured NIC failover in my ESX config ;)

I'm doing FreeBSD in ESX.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 16:29, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:
> 
> What is your guest OS? I have learned that for running emulator-on-vm, 
> Windows XP works best. The worst is NetBSD and the kicker is that it is the 
> only modern OS that runs TME easily.
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016 1:14 AM, "Cory Smelosky"  wrote:
>> 
>> It seems the network issues I was seeing had absolutely nothing to do with 
>> SIMH...and everything to do with the fact somewhere in my VMware system 
>> packets were being duplicated...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cory Smelosky
>> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
>> http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Ultrix 4.0 and DEQNA-LOCK

[Ray Jewhurst]

What is your guest OS? I have learned that for running emulator-on-vm,
Windows XP works best. The worst is NetBSD and the kicker is that it is the
only modern OS that runs TME easily.

Ray

On Sep 3, 2016 1:14 AM, "Cory Smelosky"  wrote:

>
> It seems the network issues I was seeing had absolutely nothing to do with
> SIMH...and everything to do with the fact somewhere in my VMware system
> packets were being duplicated...
>
> --
> Cory Smelosky
> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
> http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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