Re: [Simh] how to enable tc11 (was Re: RT-11 source)

[Paul Koning]

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 24 October 2016 at 17:30, Ron Young  wrote:
>> ok, so try a unibus system 11/34 (same simh session)... I would hope that
>> TC would get configured instead of disabled... I have googled for
>> documentation, and found some docs current pdp11_doc.pdf, and simh_vmio.pdf
>> (not sure of version) but I got lost...
>> 
> The TC11 is like the DH[|U|V|Q]11 simulation (device VH). It needs to
> be specifically enabled:
> SET TC ENABLED
> That should enable your TC11 device.

You also have to set the CPU to be a Unibus model.

> By the wya, can RT-11 V2 even run on an 11/34? You might want to try
> it on an 11/20 or 11/40.

Sure it can.  It should be happy on any Unibus system with suitable I/O 
devices.  The number of supported devices in V2 isn't all that large.  The MMU 
won't be used, but it won't cause any trouble.

paul

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[Simh] State of the 940

[Leo Broukhis]

Cool! I've been avoiding implementing the tape driver for BESM-6 because it
had formatted tapes and in-place overwrite of individual records. I'll be
able to do it soon, then!

Thanks,
Leo

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 12:24:25 -0400, Bob Supnik  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Dave Bryan and I are trying to work out the kinks in the 'erase'
> function on the 940, which is needed to make the tape file system work.
> Dave has implemented precise in-place erase for records, but we'll need
> a precise erase for file marks too. And then the whole thing has to be
> tested.
>
> I'll keep you posted on progress.
>
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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Mark Pizzolato]

On Oct 23, 2016 7:14 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove  
wrote:
>
> On 23 October 2016 at 21:55, Bob Supnik  wrote:
> > Not in assembly language, but quite compact, is an early version of
> > Burroughs MCP for the B5500, which runs on the various B5500 simulators.
> >
> This distribution? 
> As an aside, how would one run it under SIMH?

You might want to try using the B5500 simulator in the simh GitHub repo: 
https://GitHub.com/simh/simh

- Mark
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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Richard Cornwell]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:33:04 -0700
Al Kossow  wrote:

> On 10/24/16 2:22 PM, Nigel Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:16 AM, Al Kossow 
> > wrote:  
> >> That shouldn't be necessary. Paul Pierce recovered a 7 track tape
> >> for me which should have the code on it I'll have to see if it's
> >> on line.  
> > 
> > 
> > any chance the CUBE tape was done as well?  
> 
> no, it was read years ago
 

I'm also interested in the CUBE tape. 

Any luck with the OS3 tape?

Rich

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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Al Kossow]

On 10/24/16 2:22 PM, Nigel Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:16 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
>> That shouldn't be necessary. Paul Pierce recovered a 7 track tape for me 
>> which should have the code on it
>> I'll have to see if it's on line.
> 
> 
> any chance the CUBE tape was done as well?

no, it was read years ago

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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[J Bevier]

Hello Al & Rich,

I am the person that provided Al Kossow with two moving boxes of SEL Concept/32 
MPX-32 manuals some seven months ago.  One manual was the CPU reference manual, 
my only copy, that is needed to continue work on the SEL 32 bit simulator.  I 
also have sent Al the MPX OS source and lots of cross tools that run on Linux 
(Fedora) for the SEL machine.  I still have all of the cross development tools 
source to send once something is put up on bit-savers.  I spent 30 years 
working on Gould/SEL machines and have tried to save as much of the information 
as possible for others.  I wrote lots of the code for MPX while working at 
SEL/Gould and in the years following as a software contractor.  All of the 
cross tools (assembler, C-compiler, runtime library, library editor, etc.) and 
lots of application software.  All of this is available for the asking.  It 
just needs to find a new home where it can be used.

Jim Bevier

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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:53 AM
To: a...@bitsavers.org ; simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

Hi Al,

> Where is this? I would be interested in doing a sim for the CDC 3300. Is 
> there sufficient software for this machine to
> make it worth while?

> I think so. Let me see what I have and try to get the listings scanned.

Please do. I will take the time to transcibe them. Right now I am trying to 
patch Burroughs MCP XV to make it into XVI. 

  I also have TOPS 10 1.4 and 4.5 transcribed, but am still cleaning up typos 
in them. 

  My CTSS stuff is on my github account, I am considering adding in my IBM7090 
software collection as well.  

> Timesharing systems are always fun to have running.

>I wonder how things are going with getting 940 timesharing running, haven't 
>heard any more
>status in a while

   Neither have I. 

> SEL 32 bit
> 
> Same here.

>there is a simulator. someone sent a large pile of stuff and I've not had time 
>to get it on line.

   Would be interesting. I admined a Gould Concept 32 back in the late 80's 
always like the archetiture.  

Rich

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Re: [Simh] how to enable tc11 (was Re: RT-11 source)

[Ron Young]

Your message dated: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:39:23 -0400

> > On 24 October 2016 at 17:30, Ron Young  wrote:
> > ok, so try a unibus system 11/34 (same simh session)... I would hope that
> > TC would get configured instead of disabled... I have googled for
> > documentation, and found some docs current pdp11_doc.pdf, and simh_vmio.pdf
> > (not sure of version) but I got lost...
> >
> The TC11 is like the DH[|U|V|Q]11 simulation (device VH). It needs to
> be specifically enabled:
> SET TC ENABLED
> That should enable your TC11 device.
>

That did it... (I was trying SET TC0 ENABLED)

> 
> By the wya, can RT-11 V2 even run on an 11/34? You might want to try
> it on an 11/20 or 11/40.
>

I was just trying to read the dta images using RT11v4... then
I'll try the "smaller" hardware.

thanks all...

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Re: [Simh] how to enable tc11 (was Re: RT-11 source)

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 24 October 2016 at 17:30, Ron Young  wrote:
> ok, so try a unibus system 11/34 (same simh session)... I would hope that
> TC would get configured instead of disabled... I have googled for
> documentation, and found some docs current pdp11_doc.pdf, and simh_vmio.pdf
> (not sure of version) but I got lost...
>
The TC11 is like the DH[|U|V|Q]11 simulation (device VH). It needs to
be specifically enabled:
SET TC ENABLED
That should enable your TC11 device.


By the wya, can RT-11 V2 even run on an 11/34? You might want to try
it on an 11/20 or 11/40.


Cheers,
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Re: [Simh] how to enable tc11 (was Re: RT-11 source)

[Mark Pizzolato]

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Ron Young wrote:
> Your message dated: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 14:14:11 -0700
> 
> 
> > Rather than merely telling you what works for me, the community
> > at large will be better served if the problems you're encountering
> > were self-solvable.  In order to do this, I need to know what you've
> > tried that didn't work so potentially an appropriate message might
> > be issued.
> >
> > Please provide the explicit details of what you've tried that didn't work.
> 
>   An example would be good, I'm trying to figure out what would be a good
>   way to play with the dta images...
> 
>   starting:   no ini file, default pdp11 binary
> 
>   simh starts as a 11/73...
> 
> ron@ron-amd64:~/simh/BIN$ ./pdp11
> 
> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Betagit commit id: c9af9a70
> sim> show cpu
> CPU  11/73, NOCIS, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled
>  256KB
>  sim> show device
>  PDP-11 simulator configuration
> 
> CPU  11/73, NOCIS, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled
> SYSTEM
> RHA   address=17776700-17776753, vector=254
> RHB   disabled
> RHC   disabled
> CLK   60Hz, address=1546-1547, vector=100
> PCLK  disabled
> PTR   address=1550-1553, vector=70
> PTP   address=1554-1557, vector=74
> TTI   address=1560-1563, vector=60
> TTO   address=1564-1567, vector=64
> TDC   disabled
> CRno EOF pending, address=1160-1167, vector=230
>   285 cards per minute, translation=029
> LPT address=1514-1517, vector=200
> DLI disabled
> DLO disabled
> DCI disabled
> DCO disabled
> DZ  address=17760100-17760137*, vector=300-334*, lines=32
> VH  disabled
> RC  disabled
> RF  disabled
> RK  address=1400-1417, vector=220, 8 units
> RL  RLV12, address=17774400-17774411, vector=160, 4 units
> HK  address=1440-1477, vector=210, 8 units
> RX  address=1170-1173, vector=264, 2 units
> RY  disabled
> RP  Massbus adapter 0, 8 units
> RS  disabled
> RQ  address=17772150-17772153, no vector, RQDX3, 4 units
> RQB disabled
> RQC disabled
> RQD disabled
> TC  disabled
> TM  address=17772520-17772533, vector=224, 8 units
> TS  disabled
> TQ  TK50 (94MB), address=17774500-17774503, no vector, 4 units
> TU  disabled
> TA  disabled
> VT  disabled
> XQ  address=17774440-17774457, no vector, MAC=08:00:2B:0B:19:F0
> type=DELQA-T, mode=DELQA, polling=disabled, sanity=OFF
> throttle=disabled, DEQNALock=OFF, leds=(ON,ON,ON)
> XQBdisabled
> XU disabled
> XUBdisabled
> KE disabled
> KG disabled
> DMCdisabled
> DUPdisabled
> DPVdisabled
> KDPdisabled
> sim>
> 
> 
> ok, so try a unibus system 11/34 (same simh session)... I would hope that
> TC would get configured instead of disabled... I have googled for
> documentation, and found some docs current pdp11_doc.pdf, and
> simh_vmio.pdf
> (not sure of version) but I got lost...
> 
> sim> set cpu 11/34
> sim> show cpu
> CPU  11/34, NOFPP, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled
>  256KB
> sim> show dev
> PDP-11 simulator configuration
> 
> CPU  11/34, NOFPP, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled
> SYSTEM
> RHA   address=17776700-17776753, vector=254
> RHB   disabled
> RHC   disabled
> CLK   60Hz, address=1546-1547, vector=100
> PCLK  disabled
> PTR   address=1550-1553, vector=70
> PTP   address=1554-1557, vector=74
> TTI   address=1560-1563, vector=60
> TTO   address=1564-1567, vector=64
> TDC   disabled
> CRno EOF pending, address=1160-1167, vector=230
>   285 cards per minute, translation=029
> LPT address=1514-1517, vector=200
> DLI disabled
> DLO disabled
> DCI disabled
> DCO disabled
> DZ  address=17760100-17760137*, vector=300-334*, lines=32
> VH  disabled
> RC  disabled
> RF  disabled
> RK  address=1400-1417, vector=220, 8 units
> RL  RL11, address=17774400-17774411, vector=160, 4 units
> HK  address=1440-1477, vector=210, 8 units
> RX  address=1170-1173, vector=264, 2 units
> RY  disabled
> RP  Massbus adapter 0, 8 units
> RS  disabled
> RQ  address=17772150-17772153, no vector, RQDX3, 4 units
> RQB disabled
> RQC disabled
> RQD disabled
> TC  disabled
> TM  address=17772520-17772533, vector=224, 8 units
> TS  disabled
> TQ  TK50 (94MB), address=17774500-17774503, no vector, 4 units
> TU  disabled
> TA  disabled
> VT  disabled
> XQ  disabled
> XQB disabled
> XU  disabled
> XUB disabled
> KE  disabled
> KG  disabled
> DMC disabled
> DUP disabled
> DPV disabled
> KDP disabled
> sim>

Well, hopefully this is a 'duhhh' answer.  If you want to enable a specific 
device you say: "SET dev ENABLE".  If you want to disable a specific device you 
say: "SET dev DISABLE".

So:

sim> sh cpu
CPU 11/73, NOCIS, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled
256KB
sim> set tc enable
TC device not compatible with system bus
sim> set 

Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Nigel Williams]

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:16 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
> That shouldn't be necessary. Paul Pierce recovered a 7 track tape for me 
> which should have the code on it
> I'll have to see if it's on line.


any chance the CUBE tape was done as well? ...fingers-crossed...

Is this the right place to be watching for new tapes?
http://www.piercefuller.com/library/b5500.html
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Re: [Simh] how to enable tc11 (was Re: RT-11 source)

[Mark Pizzolato]

Hi Ron,

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Ron Young wrote:
>   I'm interested in reading the dta images for the rt-11v2 source.
> 
>   Question: How do I enable the tc device in simh? I'm running
>   the latest  PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: c9af9a70.
> 
>   I've tried changing the cpu type, but still can't get the TC
>   device to be enabled.
> 
>   Any help would be appreciated...

Rather than merely telling you what works for me, the community 
at large will be better served if the problems you're encountering 
were self-solvable.  In order to do this, I need to know what you've 
tried that didn't work so potentially an appropriate message might 
be issued.

Please provide the explicit details of what you've tried that didn't work.

Thanks.

- Mark
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[Simh] how to enable tc11 (was Re: RT-11 source)

[Ron Young]

Hi:

I'm interested in reading the dta images for the rt-11v2 source.

Question: How do I enable the tc device in simh? I'm running
the latest  PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: c9af9a70.

I've tried changing the cpu type, but still can't get the TC
device to be enabled.

Any help would be appreciated...

thanks

-ron


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[Simh] Fwd: Simh Digest, Vol 153, Issue 26

[Leo Broukhis]

Thank you, Nelson!

 It appears that, indeed, apart from theoretical research, there was not
much actual work attempting to perfect the accuracy of the conversions
until the 1990s.
Then I don't have to feel ashamed on behalf of the Soviet applied
mathematicians that they didn't do a job good enough by today's standards
in the mid-1970s.
That's a relief.

Regards,
Leo


On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:42:19 -0600, "Nelson H. F. Beebe" <
be...@math.utah.edu> wrote:

>
> The discussions on this thread began with a question about the
> accuracy of binary->decimal->binary conversions.  The key original
> references are recorded in
>
> http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/fparith.bib
> http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/fparith.html
>
> in entries Goldberg:1967:BED, Matula:1968:BCT, and Matula:1968:C.
> Those papers showed how many digits were needed for correct round-trip
> conversions, but did not exhibit code to do so.
>
> Some later papers had real source code, including Steele:1990:HPF,
> Clinger:1990:HRF, Clinger:2004:RHR, Burger:1996:PFP, Knuth:1990:SPW,
> and Abbott:1999:ASS.  The 20-year retrospectives in Clinger:2004:RHR
> and Steele:2004:RHP sum up that earlier work, and may be the best
> starting point to understand the problem.
>
> It is decidedly nontrivial: the Abbott paper in the section
> ``Difficult numbers'' starting on page 739 discusses hard cases [where
> the exact result in the output base is almost exactly halfway between
> two machine numbers], and on page 740, they write ``The decimal size
> may be unbounded, because there is a natural bound derived from the
> exponent range, as was mentioned earlier. This bound is 126 digits for
> single, 752 for double, and 11503 for extended precision.''
>
> Entry Knuth:1990:SPW has the provocative title ``A Simple Program
> Whose Proof Isn't'': it examines the conversions between fixed-binary
> and decimal needed in the TeX typesetting system, a much simpler
> problem whose proof eluded Knuth for several years until this paper.
> A companion paper Gries:1990:BDO supplies an alternative proof of
> Knuth's algorithm.
>
> As to the first actual system to provide correct round-trip
> conversions, the Abbott paper on the IBM mainframe (S/360 to zSeries
> machines) describes the pressure to get it right the first time,
> because of the longevity of that architecture, and the high cost of
> repairing hardware implementations.
>
> The 1990 Steele and Clinger references above supply software
> implementations in Common Lisp exploiting the multiple-precision
> arithmetic supported in that language.
>
> Some current compilers, such as releases of gcc for the last several
> years, use the GMP and MPFR multiple-precision arithmetic packages to
> supply correct compile-time conversions.  Presumably, the revision
> history of GNU glibc would reveal when similar actions were taken for
> the strtod(), printf(), and scanf() families of the C and C++
> programming languages. I have not personally investigated that point,
> but perhaps other list members have, and can report their findings.
>
> >From scans of executables of assorted gcc versions, it appears that
> GMP and MPFR came into use in gcc-family compilers about mid-2007.
> The oldest gcc snapshot (of hundreds that I have installed) that
> references both those libraries is gcc-4.3-20070720.  However, the
> ChangeLog file in that release has mention on MPFR from 18-Nov-2006,
> and an entry of 11-Jan-2007 that says "Add gmp and mpfr".
>
> David M. Gay (then at AT Bell Labs renamed as Lucent Technologies)
> released an accurate implementation of strtod() marked "Copyright (C)
> 1998-2001 by Lucent Technologies".  The oldest filedate in my personal
> archives of versions of that software is 22-Jun-1998, with changes up
> to 29-Nov-2007.
>
>
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[Simh] State of the 940

[Bob Supnik]

Mark,

Dave Bryan and I are trying to work out the kinks in the 'erase' 
function on the 940, which is needed to make the tape file system work. 
Dave has implemented precise in-place erase for records, but we'll need 
a precise erase for file marks too. And then the whole thing has to be 
tested.


I'll keep you posted on progress.

/Bob

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 10:48:44 -0500
From: Mark Emmer
To:simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources
Message-ID:<4c6e802c-49a7-0680-c8e1-d0253b0d1...@snobol4.com>
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Sorry Al, but I've been pedal-to-the-metal for the past 15 months on
another project and haven't been able to get back to the 940 timesharing
system.  I think the last status I reported was that it was running in
the original build configuration of mag tape and drum, with the ability
to re-assemble, link and run a new O/S from source files.  File I/O to
the drum worked, but the tape-based file system (including
overwrite-in-place) is a disaster that I'm avoiding.  I can't even get
it to recognize when I think is a properly labeled tape, and the new
tape utility is absent.  Best hope is to get the Data Products or Bryant
disk driver working and build a proper disk-based system.
Unfortunately, the Oper utility to layout a disk with file directories
and boot images is missing, so I'm going to have to cobble up something
in C to replicate it.

I do intend to work on it again when programming becomes fun again.

Mark


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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[skyvis]

Hi Al,>   Where is this? I would be interested in doing a sim for the CDC 3300. Is there sufficient software for this machine to> make it worth while?> I think so. Let me see what I have and try to get the listings scanned. Please do. I will take the time to transcibe them. Right now I am trying to patch Burroughs MCP XV to make it into XVI.   I also have TOPS 10 1.4 and 4.5 transcribed, but am still cleaning up typos in them.   My CTSS stuff is on my github account, I am considering adding in my IBM7090 software collection as well.   > Timesharing systems are always fun to have running.>I wonder how things are going with getting 940 timesharing running, haven't heard any more>status in a while   Neither have I. > SEL 32 bit> >   Same here.
>there is a simulator. someone sent a large pile of stuff and I've not had time to get it on line.   Would be interesting. I admined a Gould Concept 32 back in the late 80's always like the archetiture.   Rich==Richard Cornwellsky...@sky-visions.comhttp://sky-visions.com==
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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Mark Emmer]

Sorry Al, but I've been pedal-to-the-metal for the past 15 months on 
another project and haven't been able to get back to the 940 timesharing 
system.  I think the last status I reported was that it was running in 
the original build configuration of mag tape and drum, with the ability 
to re-assemble, link and run a new O/S from source files.  File I/O to 
the drum worked, but the tape-based file system (including 
overwrite-in-place) is a disaster that I'm avoiding.  I can't even get 
it to recognize when I think is a properly labeled tape, and the new 
tape utility is absent.  Best hope is to get the Data Products or Bryant 
disk driver working and build a proper disk-based system.  
Unfortunately, the Oper utility to layout a disk with file directories 
and boot images is missing, so I'm going to have to cobble up something 
in C to replicate it.


I do intend to work on it again when programming becomes fun again.

Mark


On 10/24/2016 10:38 AM, Al Kossow wrote:


On 10/24/16 8:13 AM, sky...@sky-visions.com wrote:


   Where is this? I would be interested in doing a sim for the CDC 3300. Is 
there sufficient software for this machine to
make it worth while?

I think so. Let me see what I have and try to get the listings scanned.
Timesharing systems are always fun to have running.

I wonder how things are going with getting 940 timesharing running, haven't 
heard any more
status in a while


SEL 32 bit

   Same here.


there is a simulator. someone sent a large pile of stuff and I've not had time 
to get it on line.

there is more interest in this now that Bob Rosenbloom bought a machine.


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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Al Kossow]

On 10/24/16 8:13 AM, sky...@sky-visions.com wrote:

>   Where is this? I would be interested in doing a sim for the CDC 3300. Is 
> there sufficient software for this machine to
> make it worth while?

I think so. Let me see what I have and try to get the listings scanned.
Timesharing systems are always fun to have running.

I wonder how things are going with getting 940 timesharing running, haven't 
heard any more
status in a while

> SEL 32 bit
> 
>   Same here.


there is a simulator. someone sent a large pile of stuff and I've not had time 
to get it on line.

there is more interest in this now that Bob Rosenbloom bought a machine.


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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[skyvis]

OS/3 from Oregon State for the CDC 24 bit machines should be up. I have   Where is this? I would be interested in doing a sim for the CDC 3300. Is there sufficient software for this machine to make it worth while?Don't know of any Exec sources around for the early 110x's  If you find anything keep me posted... I would love to do a Univac 110x sim.SEL 32 bit  Same here.oh.. and MULTICS (big, and in PL/I)  I forgot about Multics.___Simh mailing listSimh@trailing-edge.comhttp://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh==Richard Cornwellsky...@sky-visions.comhttp://sky-visions.com
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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Al Kossow]

On 10/24/16 6:17 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:

> It appears there's sources for CDC's ITOS on the CDC 1700/CDC Cyber
> 18. (BitSavers > bits > CDC > 1700_Cyber18 > 20100519)
> 
> So that could, theoretically, be added to the list. If the tape works.

I have a big box of ITOS floppies I need to read.
The Cyber 18 was fairly different from the 1700

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off the top of my head:

OS/3 from Oregon State for the CDC 24 bit machines should be up. I have
a monitor listing sitting in my office waiting to be scanned. SDS Monarch
should be somewhere in the SDS tape collection.

There are a few others, not in assembler, for the PDP-11.
Per Brinch Hansen's SOLO and the USCD Pascal System, both in dialects of
Pascal.

If an early OS survives, it probably has the sources with it, because most
shops modified it for their environment.

That reminds me, Burroughs Midrange system software is out there, Scott Dorsey
wrote a simulator.

Some bits for the Univac 9300, 9400 1050, need to make sure that's on line

Don't know of any Exec sources around for the early 110x's

16 bit minis

IBM 1130, General Automation 1830, DG Nova, Computer Automation, Honeywell 316

SEL 32 bit

We have some Siemens and Telefunken OS tapes in the archives that I haven't 
read yet.

GE Dartmouth Timesharing system

oh.. and MULTICS (big, and in PL/I)

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You can get a feeling for what the systems were like reading the bitsavers 
documentation
(which is what it's there for..)

Many of these are not interactive systems, or the terminal mode is very much 
like being
at a virtual keypunch.

DEC users had it easy because DEC cared about interactive terminal use of their 
computers.


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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 24 October 2016 at 08:50, Richard Cornwell  wrote:
>   I have some documents on my web site:
>
>  http://sky-visions.com/burroughs/
>
>   It is not that difficult.
>
You are correct it isn't difficult. I just happen to be "Google
Incompetent" and couldn't find your site...


>   If you want I can put together a step by step how to.
>
It might be good to do one just for the "SimH Sample Software
Documentation" (simh_swre), though it doesn't seem to be being
updated.


>Yeah, forgot about that one.
>
>CDC also distributed much of their systems with sources also.
>However I believe this stopped by the time of NOS, then source was
>only available on request.
>
It appears there's sources for CDC's ITOS on the CDC 1700/CDC Cyber
18. (BitSavers > bits > CDC > 1700_Cyber18 > 20100519)

So that could, theoretically, be added to the list. If the tape works.

Regards,
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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Richard Cornwell]

> On 23 October 2016 at 23:12, Richard Cornwell
>  wrote:
> >Pretty well actually. I wrote a simulator last year for it.
> >  
> I was actually asking more along the lines of "is there a tutorial on
> how to run MCP on SIMH?" I've seen a lot of stuff on Paul Kimpel's
> simulator (which looks very nice), but personally I prefer to use
> SIMH.

  I have some documents on my web site:

 http://sky-visions.com/burroughs/

  It is not that difficult. 
   
  If you need more info or have questions let me know. 

  Grab the .ini file, and cold start deck off my web site. Grab the
  tapes off Paul's site. Then just:

  b5500 xiii.ini

  sim> boot cr

  Follow Paul's instructions on loading the system.  is the
  inquiry key. 

  Once the system is installed on disk, you can do.

  b5500 xiii.ini
  sim> det cr
  sim> boot dk

  To boot the disk.

  If you want I can put together a step by step how to. 

> >Also adding to the list of OS's TOPS 10 also was distributed by
> >Source.
> >  
> Oh yeah, I forgot about TOPS-10. Didb't TOPS-20 also come with
> sources as well?

   Yeah, forgot about that one. 

   CDC also distributed much of their systems with sources also.
   However I believe this stopped by the time of NOS, then source was
   only available on request. 

Rich

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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Paul Koning]

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 10:13 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but isn't OS/360 also
> distributed with assembly sources?

I think so.  And a version of it is in the public domain (having been 
distributed without copyright notice, in the days when that still mattered).

CDC mainframe operating systems weren't installed from source but came with 
full sources.

paul

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Re: [Simh] Operating Systems with Sources

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 23 October 2016 at 23:12, Richard Cornwell  wrote:
>Pretty well actually. I wrote a simulator last year for it.
>
I was actually asking more along the lines of "is there a tutorial on
how to run MCP on SIMH?" I've seen a lot of stuff on Paul Kimpel's
simulator (which looks very nice), but personally I prefer to use
SIMH.


>Also adding to the list of OS's TOPS 10 also was distributed by
>Source.
>
Oh yeah, I forgot about TOPS-10. Didb't TOPS-20 also come with sources as well?


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