Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Al Kossow wrote:
> There's going to be a bunch more old stuff in the SRI-NIC tape backlog
> at CHM but I can't spend any time working on that right now.

It's great knowing there's more to come!

By the way, I occasionally dole out stuff I find here:
https://github.com/PDP-10/

All ITS applications are bundled into the "its" repository, but
occasional finds get their own.  There's MINITS, an MIT operating system
for PDP-11.  Also TRANTOR, which I transferred to one of its creators:

https://github.com/eak/trantor
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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Al Kossow
vague memory says 'Symbolics'

from Johnny's msg on cctlk

--

resulted in:

   0:737  000700,,670  34   0   0  33  " "
   1:  21f30  00,,4174600   0   4  37  30  " "
   2:  894e5ba78  422471,,335170  104 123 113  72  74  "DSK:<"
   3:  8d3e7ce8a  432371,,747212  106 117 117 116 105  "FOONE"
   4:  b0fa1c882  541750,,344202  130  76 103 110 101  "X>CHA"
   5:  9f4d74d82  476465,,646602  117 123  56 115 101  "OS.MA"
   6:  86ed9b972  415666,,334562  103  73  63  71  71  "C;399"
   7:  0  00,,000   0   0   0   0  " "

  [snip]

 777:  0  00,,000   0   0   0   0  " "
1000:  774e94374  356472,,241564   73 123 122 103  72  ";SRC:"
1001:  794ecd35c  362473,,151534   74 123 131 123  56  "CH"
1004:  833e9ae9a  406372,,327232  101 117 123  56 115  "AOS.M"
1005:  830d73372  406065,,631562  101 103  56  63  71  "AC.39"
1006:  6e810375a  335004,,033532   67  40  40  67  55  "7  7-"
1007:  9b87cad70  467037,,126560  115 141 171  55  70  "May-8"
1010:  62818b974  305006,,134564   61  40  61  71  72  "1 19:"
1011:  66d5d346c  315527,,232154   63  65  72  64  66  "35:46"
1012:  58822e4d2  261010,,562322   54  40 105 144 151  ", Edi"
1013:  e88317940  721014,,274500  164  40 142 171  40  "t by "
1014:  9b361cd1a  466330,,346432  115 115 103 115  15  "MMCM "

  [and so on]

Looks like a tape in core-dump format with a header page.


which looks MIT/Symbolics-ish

On 1/3/17 5:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017, at 11:35, Al Kossow wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/17 11:05 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
>>
 Do KI TENEX sources exist??
>>>
>>> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
>>>
>>
>> I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read in
>> 2000
>> and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the second read is
>> four
>> megs longer than the first.
>>
>> I'll put them up for a couple of days under bits/Foonly on bitsavers.
>>
>>
>> There's going to be a bunch more old stuff in the SRI-NIC tape backlog at
>> CHM
>> but I can't spend any time working on that right now.
>>
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> Any ideas what the tape format is?
> 
> As-is neither DUMPER nor BACKUP will touch it.
> 

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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Cory Smelosky


On Tue, Jan 3, 2017, at 11:35, Al Kossow wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/3/17 11:05 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> 
> >> Do KI TENEX sources exist??
> > 
> > Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
> > 
> 
> I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read in
> 2000
> and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the second read is
> four
> megs longer than the first.
> 
> I'll put them up for a couple of days under bits/Foonly on bitsavers.
> 
> 
> There's going to be a bunch more old stuff in the SRI-NIC tape backlog at
> CHM
> but I can't spend any time working on that right now.
> 
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Any ideas what the tape format is?

As-is neither DUMPER nor BACKUP will touch it.

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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Cornwell
Hi Cory,

> I've built TENDMP as well - just need it written to disk ;)

  The TENDMP I have runs stand alone. It copies Core to dectape or
  dectape to core. It can be placed in the first block of a dectape to
  boot it.

Rich

> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:29, Richard Cornwell 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >   I have a copy of tendmp.mac that I acquired off Saildart.org. It
> > is in my v1.19 git repo at http://git.sky-visions.com 
> > 
> >   I am currently trying to figure out why my KI10 sim will not boot
> >   TOPS10. It appears that is placing the high segment at the wrong
> >   address in SYSINI. It is off by 1 page. 
> > 
> >   v1.19 pretty much assembles and loads correctly. V4.5 will still
> > not assemble without errors. v1.19 still has some paging issues to
> > match the scanned sources exactly. Both are in my git repo. I will
> > add in 3.x when I get some more time.
> > 
> > Rich
> >   
> >> Phil Budne wrote:  
> >>> Rich Alderson wrote
>  I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX media.  It would be a
>  labor of love to try to cross-compile TENEX under TOPS-20 on a
>  Toad-2, then build a boot program for the KI that could read it
>  in from disk.
> >> 
> >> It seems Cory Smelosky has recently built a TENEX.SAV.  But now he
> >> needs TENDMP to boot it.
> >>   
> >>> Do KI TENEX sources exist??
> >> 
> >> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
> >> 
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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Cory Smelosky
I've built TENDMP as well - just need it written to disk ;)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:29, Richard Cornwell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I have a copy of tendmp.mac that I acquired off Saildart.org. It is
>   in my v1.19 git repo at http://git.sky-visions.com 
> 
>   I am currently trying to figure out why my KI10 sim will not boot
>   TOPS10. It appears that is placing the high segment at the wrong
>   address in SYSINI. It is off by 1 page. 
> 
>   v1.19 pretty much assembles and loads correctly. V4.5 will still not
>   assemble without errors. v1.19 still has some paging issues to match
>   the scanned sources exactly. Both are in my git repo. I will add in
>   3.x when I get some more time.
> 
> Rich
> 
>> Phil Budne wrote:
>>> Rich Alderson wrote  
 I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX media.  It would be a labor
 of love to try to cross-compile TENEX under TOPS-20 on a Toad-2,
 then build a boot program for the KI that could read it in from
 disk.  
>> 
>> It seems Cory Smelosky has recently built a TENEX.SAV.  But now he
>> needs TENDMP to boot it.
>> 
>>> Do KI TENEX sources exist??  
>> 
>> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
>> 
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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Al Kossow


On 1/3/17 11:05 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:

>> Do KI TENEX sources exist??
> 
> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
> 

I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read in 2000
and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the second read is four
megs longer than the first.

I'll put them up for a couple of days under bits/Foonly on bitsavers.


There's going to be a bunch more old stuff in the SRI-NIC tape backlog at CHM
but I can't spend any time working on that right now.


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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Cornwell
Hello,

   I have a copy of tendmp.mac that I acquired off Saildart.org. It is
   in my v1.19 git repo at http://git.sky-visions.com 

   I am currently trying to figure out why my KI10 sim will not boot
   TOPS10. It appears that is placing the high segment at the wrong
   address in SYSINI. It is off by 1 page. 

   v1.19 pretty much assembles and loads correctly. V4.5 will still not
   assemble without errors. v1.19 still has some paging issues to match
   the scanned sources exactly. Both are in my git repo. I will add in
   3.x when I get some more time.

Rich

> Phil Budne wrote:
> > Rich Alderson wrote  
> >> I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX media.  It would be a labor
> >> of love to try to cross-compile TENEX under TOPS-20 on a Toad-2,
> >> then build a boot program for the KI that could read it in from
> >> disk.  
> 
> It seems Cory Smelosky has recently built a TENEX.SAV.  But now he
> needs TENDMP to boot it.
> 
> > Do KI TENEX sources exist??  
> 
> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
> 
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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Cory Smelosky
Not that successful, sadly.

I forget who precisely but they had a tarball containing a binary - just kept 
forgetting to make it known.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:05, Lars Brinkhoff  wrote:
> 
> Phil Budne wrote:
>> Rich Alderson wrote
>>> I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX media.  It would be a labor
>>> of love to try to cross-compile TENEX under TOPS-20 on a Toad-2, then
>>> build a boot program for the KI that could read it in from disk.
> 
> It seems Cory Smelosky has recently built a TENEX.SAV.  But now he needs
> TENDMP to boot it.
> 
>> Do KI TENEX sources exist??
> 
> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.
> 
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Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Phil Budne wrote:
> Rich Alderson wrote
>> I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX media.  It would be a labor
>> of love to try to cross-compile TENEX under TOPS-20 on a Toad-2, then
>> build a boot program for the KI that could read it in from disk.

It seems Cory Smelosky has recently built a TENEX.SAV.  But now he needs
TENDMP to boot it.

> Do KI TENEX sources exist??

Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34.

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