Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 11:24 AM James W. Laferriere wrote: > Hello Bob , > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, Bob Eager wrote: > > xterm works extremely well if set up right. > > Following up on your note above , Would You or someone please > post a > URL for the proper setup of xterm to emulate say a vt240/vt340/... (ie: a > color > enabled terminal) ? > Or even the equivalent DecTerm color output ... > > Tia , JimL > Jim, For xterm, these are the .Xdefaults entries I have on my Mac Mini - XTerm*VT100*c132: True XTerm*VT100*Font: 7x14 XTerm*scrollBar:True XTerm*background: black XTerm*foreground: green XTerm*customization:-color XTerm*decTerminalID:220 XTerm*utf8: 0 I use this with a full-sized Apple keyboard and it just works. In the past I used a shell script to tweak various key mappings. The xterm FAQ site at https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html has further explanations and a sample of the script you can adapt for your keyboard as required. Tony ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Hello Bob , On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, Bob Eager wrote: xterm works extremely well if set up right. Following up on your note above , Would You or someone please post a URL for the proper setup of xterm to emulate say a vt240/vt340/... (ie: a color enabled terminal) ? Or even the equivalent DecTerm color output ... Tia , JimL -- +-+ | James W. Laferriere| SystemTechniques | Give me VMS | | Network & System Engineer | 3237 Holden Road | Give me Linux | | j...@system-techniques.com | Fairbanks, AK. 99709 | only on AXP | +-+ ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] MAME and simh
On 01/07/2020 14:34, Peter Allan wrote: > > https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH > > The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, > but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My > vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 > to enter setup', nothing happens. > > The VT220 emulation within MAME is just a skeleton, there is very little code behind it. I did some work on it a few years ago (along with the LK201) and I managed to get it to pass a few self tests but didn't get to the point of displaying anything on the screen. You might want to try the VT240 with the ROMs from archive.org: https://archive.org/download/MAME_0.209_ROMs_merged/MAME_0.209_ROMs_merged.zip/vt240.zip These should be the ones that were used to develop the emulator. Matt ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
On 2020-07-01 21:08, Bob Eager wrote: xterm works extremely well if set up right. So far, xterm is the only one I've used that actually works correctly. Even putty does some things wrong. (That said, the terminal program coming with Pathworks (the name escapes me), might also be good enough, from what I gather, but since I don't really use Windows much, it's mostly irrelevant for me). Johnny On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:37:24 + Dan Gahlinger wrote: or SecureCRT which has a whole slew of VT terminal support, control and options. free for 30 days but definitely worth the price. it's what I use for my vax emulation with simh MAME is multi ARCADE machine emulator, and while it may support or use the roms for VT terminals, it's only meant for use with the game machines that need it. don't ask me which ones, I have no idea. as per mame maybe you could be confusing "rom" with "firmware" mame emulating a VT terminal makes zero sense. Dan From: Simh on behalf of Hittner, David T [US] (MS) Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:17:47 AM To: Peter Allan ; Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh Why not use PuTTY for the VT terminal emulator, which is known to work with SIMH? What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation? From: Simh On Behalf Of Peter Allan Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 AM To: Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List Subject: EXT :[Simh] MAME and simh Hi folks, I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME two days ago. I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html and https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', nothing happens. I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no longer be accurate. So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have Debian 10.1 available. I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. Cheers Peter Allan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] MAME and simh
PuTTY is a pretty accurate [free] VT emulator, particularly if you apply the non-default settings found in this Migration Specialties guide for OpenVMS and Tru64 Unix compatibility: http://www.migrationspecialties.com/pdf/PuTTY_Settings.pdf You could also select the original DEC MCS character set (which came on the VT200) instead of ISO-8859-1 (LATIN-1 West Europe) and get similar results. A few characters with the high bit set are slightly different, but they are pretty close. PuTTY behaves the same on Windows or Linux. I'm running it on Windows 10 and Linux Mint 19.1 and see no real difference other than the out-of-band keystrokes (like copy/paste and menu activation). David -Original Message From: Simh On Behalf Of Lars Brinkhoff Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:09 PM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: EXT :Re: [Simh] MAME and simh Dan Gahlinger wrote: > SecureCRT is available for Linux, natively! FWIW, PuTTY too. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
xterm works extremely well if set up right. On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:37:24 + Dan Gahlinger wrote: > or SecureCRT which has a whole slew of VT terminal support, control > and options. free for 30 days but definitely worth the price. > > it's what I use for my vax emulation with simh > > MAME is multi ARCADE machine emulator, and while it may support or > use the roms for VT terminals, it's only meant for use with the game > machines that need it. don't ask me which ones, I have no idea. > > as per mame maybe you could be confusing "rom" with "firmware" > > mame emulating a VT terminal makes zero sense. > > Dan > > From: Simh on behalf of Hittner, > David T [US] (MS) Sent: Wednesday, July 1, > 2020 11:17:47 AM To: Peter Allan ; Simh > Trailing-Edge Mailing List Subject: Re: > [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh > > > Why not use PuTTY for the VT terminal emulator, which is known to > work with SIMH? > > > > What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation? > > > > From: Simh On Behalf Of Peter Allan > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 AM > To: Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List > Subject: EXT :[Simh] MAME and simh > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT > terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to > each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only > picked up MAME two days ago. > > > > I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian > 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I > also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. > > > > I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically > > > > https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html > > > > and > > > > https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH > > > > The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, > but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My > vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 > to enter setup', nothing happens. > > > > I have also got the impression that some of the command line options > for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web > may no longer be accurate. > > > > So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me > exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply > failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. > > > > My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also > have Debian 10.1 available. > > > > I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter Allan > > ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Putty and other terminal emulators do not support all of the features of a real VT. Soft fonts, REGIS., Sixel Graphics etc. Utilising MAME and a real ROM will (should). The DECWindows DECTerm supports most of the features. On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, 16:18 Hittner, David T [US] (MS), wrote: > Why not use PuTTY for the VT terminal emulator, which is known to work > with SIMH? > > > > What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation? > > > > *From:* Simh *On Behalf Of *Peter Allan > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 AM > *To:* Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List > *Subject:* EXT :[Simh] MAME and simh > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT > terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each > other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME > two days ago. > > > > I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. > Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a > set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. > > > > I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically > > > > https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html > > > > and > > > > https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH > > > > The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it > describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does > work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', > nothing happens. > > > > I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for > mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no > longer be accurate. > > > > So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact > instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do > something that will become obvious with hindsight. > > > > My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have > Debian 10.1 available. > > > > I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter Allan > > > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Dan Gahlinger wrote: > SecureCRT is available for Linux, natively! FWIW, PuTTY too. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh (and line printer/dot matrix printer emulation)
Yes that is right. I have MAME software too. That emulates a lot more than just arcades including UNIX workstations and terminals. There are some dot matrix printer emulation like MPS-802, etc. SecureCRT do not emulates ReGIS commands for graphics. I have some progems need ReGIS emulation. There is VT240 emulation on MAME support ReGIS graphics. We discussed about VT340 terminal emulation and dumping firmware a few years ago but they did not implement VT340 emulation on MAME. Also, there is VT420 firmware available for terminal emulation but they had not implemented that yet. Also they need to implement VT125 emulation since there are VT125 firmware images on the Internet. Also I found LA210 technical manuals and schematics that emulate Epson MX80 printer but uses 8085A processor instead of 8048 processor (in MX80 printer). I was looking for LA210 firmwares but had not find them yet. I have a copy of Epson MX80 firmwares and technical manual for implementing printer emulation. I discovered Hercules studio’s printer emulation that produces PDF files. Take a look on http://www.softdevlabs.com/hercprt.html Also I found older version of Hercules studio source codes that includes hercprt module on SourceForge. I think that printer emulation implementation is needed for SIMH emulator for line printer, dot matrix printer, etc. From: Simh On Behalf Of Patrick Finnegan Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:07 PM To: SIMH Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 12:37 Dan Gahlinger mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com> > wrote: or SecureCRT which has a whole slew of VT terminal support, control and options. free for 30 days but definitely worth the price. it's what I use for my vax emulation with simh MAME is multi ARCADE machine emulator, and while it may support or use the roms for VT terminals, it's only meant for use with the game machines that need it. don't ask me which ones, I have no idea. MAME emulates a lot more than you think, including various workstations and terminals. Just like simh emulates more than just DEC hardware. http://www.progettoemma.net/mess/sysset.php Also, Peter said he's using Linux. Idk why everyone is trying to suggest Windows terminal emulators to him. There's a lot better VT terminal emulators than Putty and SecureCRT on Linux. Pat ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Hittner, David T [US] (MS) schreef op 1-7-2020 om 17:17: Why not use PuTTY for the VT terminal emulator, which is known to work with SIMH? What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation? *From:*Simh *On Behalf Of *Peter Allan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 AM *To:* Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List *Subject:* EXT :[Simh] MAME and simh Hi folks, I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME two days ago. I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html and https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', nothing happens. I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no longer be accurate. So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have Debian 10.1 available. I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. Cheers Peter Allan While PuTTY is functionally "OK" on both Linux and Windows, it is not particularly "accurate" as an emulator of the real VT102 (which it identifies as) A ROM based emulator may be more accurate, in addition to having more lifelike fonts etc. I have no personal experience with Mame. So, in all, it depends what you are looking for. I feel most comfortable using PuTYY with the "Glass TTY" VT font (look it up, nice piece of work!) /Wilm ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Patrick Finnegan [01/07/2020 19.07]: > Also, Peter said he's using Linux. Idk why everyone is trying to suggest > Windows terminal emulators to him. There's a lot better VT terminal > emulators than Putty and SecureCRT on Linux. There is a Linux version of Putty. I have never used it, so I can't comment on how good it is. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] DG Nova announcement from Poul-Henning Kamp
Al Kossow wrote: > Bob Supnik wrote: >> Very cool. Is there any way to download the entire set of files at >> once, as an archive? > seconded. I'm not going to try to upload this to bitsavers the way > that it is I have downloaded the data files and the metadata files. Is this useful? http://lars.nocrew.org/tmp/files.zip ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Uh, Pat, SecureCRT is available for Linux, natively! I use it all the time. And I use it for ALL my Linux systems, it's the best terminal software I've ever found, And I've tried tons of them. I'd never go with anything else. Works beautifully on Linux, really powerful, and programmable, built-in file transfer support, everything you could possibly want. and with terminal emulation "themes" you can get a custom setup for your sessions, also customizable, create your own if you like. but "Dark Pastel" for the win I know it seems "odd" to use software like this when Linux has a ton, but really, there's nothing better. I could never go back. Dan. From: Simh on behalf of Patrick Finnegan Sent: July 1, 2020 1:07 PM To: SIMH Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 12:37 Dan Gahlinger mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote: or SecureCRT which has a whole slew of VT terminal support, control and options. free for 30 days but definitely worth the price. it's what I use for my vax emulation with simh MAME is multi ARCADE machine emulator, and while it may support or use the roms for VT terminals, it's only meant for use with the game machines that need it. don't ask me which ones, I have no idea. MAME emulates a lot more than you think, including various workstations and terminals. Just like simh emulates more than just DEC hardware. http://www.progettoemma.net/mess/sysset.php Also, Peter said he's using Linux. Idk why everyone is trying to suggest Windows terminal emulators to him. There's a lot better VT terminal emulators than Putty and SecureCRT on Linux. Pat ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 12:37 Dan Gahlinger wrote: > or SecureCRT which has a whole slew of VT terminal support, control and > options. > free for 30 days but definitely worth the price. > > it's what I use for my vax emulation with simh > > MAME is multi ARCADE machine emulator, and while it may support or use the > roms for VT terminals, it's only meant for use with the game machines that > need it. > don't ask me which ones, I have no idea. > MAME emulates a lot more than you think, including various workstations and terminals. Just like simh emulates more than just DEC hardware. http://www.progettoemma.net/mess/sysset.php Also, Peter said he's using Linux. Idk why everyone is trying to suggest Windows terminal emulators to him. There's a lot better VT terminal emulators than Putty and SecureCRT on Linux. Pat ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] DEC H-500 Computer Lab Reproduction
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:54 AM Bob Supnik wrote: > https://www.instructables.com/id/DEC-H-500-Computer-Lab-Reproduction/ > > It's a step by step guide, with parts and 3D print files, for building a > reproduction of the late 60s DEC "Computer Lab" teaching toy. The site > also includes the PDF files from the original. > > An interesting project for the do-it-yourselfers on this list. It's an amazing build, especially the rocker switches. It also has the advantage of using eyelets that fit modern mini-banana jacks (2mm) that aren't brass and won't get scratched up. I have a real H-500 but no wires and every few years, the discussion crops up about fabricating a modern equivalent but no resolution as of yet. The videos of the reproduction in action are fun. -ethan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] MAME and simh
El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 15:35, Peter Allan () escribió: > Hi folks, > > I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT > terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each > other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME > two days ago. > > I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. > Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a > set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. > > I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically > > https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html > > and > > https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH > > Hi, Peter. This work to emulate the VT series under MAME using the original ROMS is far from be finished sucesfully at all, I think. This appeared for first time in THUS mailing list as an interesting reference some days ago. I understand the curiosity about manage one DEC terminal emulation using something almost similar in fonts and behaviour to the original ones (the look and feel of the old computing devices) but it don't appears to be interesting for everybody ;-) But not my case, I clear. I am very busy these days but perhaps I could take a look about it this weekend. Cheers Cordiales saludos / Kind Regards. Gracias | Regards - Saludos | Greetings | Freundliche Grüße | Salutations -- *Sergio Pedraja* -- ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
or SecureCRT which has a whole slew of VT terminal support, control and options. free for 30 days but definitely worth the price. it's what I use for my vax emulation with simh MAME is multi ARCADE machine emulator, and while it may support or use the roms for VT terminals, it's only meant for use with the game machines that need it. don't ask me which ones, I have no idea. as per mame maybe you could be confusing "rom" with "firmware" mame emulating a VT terminal makes zero sense. Dan From: Simh on behalf of Hittner, David T [US] (MS) Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:17:47 AM To: Peter Allan ; Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List Subject: Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh Why not use PuTTY for the VT terminal emulator, which is known to work with SIMH? What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation? From: Simh On Behalf Of Peter Allan Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 AM To: Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List Subject: EXT :[Simh] MAME and simh Hi folks, I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME two days ago. I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html and https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', nothing happens. I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no longer be accurate. So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have Debian 10.1 available. I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. Cheers Peter Allan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] EXT : MAME and simh
Why not use PuTTY for the VT terminal emulator, which is known to work with SIMH? What is the point of trying to use MAME for VT emulation? From: Simh On Behalf Of Peter Allan Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 AM To: Simh Trailing-Edge Mailing List Subject: EXT :[Simh] MAME and simh Hi folks, I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME two days ago. I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html and https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', nothing happens. I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no longer be accurate. So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have Debian 10.1 available. I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. Cheers Peter Allan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] MAME and simh
If something is emulating the hardware of a VT100, or the hardware of a VT240, what made you think you could run the VT220 firmware on it and expect anything meaningful to happen? Or am I totally missing what you are doing? Johnny On 2020-07-01 15:34, Peter Allan wrote: Hi folks, I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME two days ago. I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html and https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', nothing happens. I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no longer be accurate. So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have Debian 10.1 available. I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. Cheers Peter Allan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] MAME and simh
Hi folks, I am trying to get MAME to talk to simh in order to use MAME as a VT terminal emulator. However, I am failing to get the two to talk to each other. I have been using simh for over 10 years, but I only picked up MAME two days ago. I have tried MAME v 0.222 on Windows 10 and MAME v 0.208 on Debian 10.1. Both start up successfully, but I have trouble using them. I also have a set of 13 ROMs for several VT terminals. I have found some helpful information on the web, specifically https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html and https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/MAME_and_SIMH The latter page looks like it should be just what I am looking for, but it describes using a VT240 ROM. My vt240 ROM doesn't work. My vt220 ROM does work, but when I follow the instructions to 'press F3 to enter setup', nothing happens. I have also got the impression that some of the command line options for mame have changed over time, so some older information on the web may no longer be accurate. So, has anyone got this combination to work? If so, can they send me exact instructions on how to do it please. I hope that I am simply failing to do something that will become obvious with hindsight. My normal Linux system is CentOS 6, CentOS 7 or Fedora 31, but I also have Debian 10.1 available. I run several simulated VAX and PDP-11 instances using simh. Cheers Peter Allan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] DEC H-500 Computer Lab Reproduction
Mark Emmer sent me this link: https://www.instructables.com/id/DEC-H-500-Computer-Lab-Reproduction/ It's a step by step guide, with parts and 3D print files, for building a reproduction of the late 60s DEC "Computer Lab" teaching toy. The site also includes the PDF files from the original. An interesting project for the do-it-yourselfers on this list. /Bob Supnik ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Request for assistance getting info from SImH Network
Good Day to all I have some issues with FTP traffic from a SimH on Windows 10 running RSX to another RSX remote system. The issue seems to be that UPLOADS from the guest system to a remote host are not working. To clarify the issue between host and guest I want to check up on the traffic being sent and received and ran Wireshark to do this. I have some traces showing reasonable traffic until some ACKs come back and maybe are not picked up by RSX so may not have been received or may not be being processed correctly. So at this point it is possible there is a BQTCP issue OR a SimH issue OR my host networking issue. This request is to help clarify the SimH information. What I am asking about is how to get information out from SimH about what it is seeing as network traffic preferably at a IP or TCP packet level. I can then marry that up with what I can see via Wireshark. I have looked in the Ethernet documents but was left a little confused. Once I can marry up the information it will then be clear I hope where my issue is and I can then concentrate on that. My setup is as follows and includes the XU adapter setup. For clarity, this setup connects out and downloads fine, it is only when uploading that I see this issue. It also behaves correctly when from the Win 10 host a telnet connection is made to the RSX system over NAT port 2323 as do many other IP related things. ; SIMH PDP-11 initialization ; For RSX11M-PLUS ; V2 for FULL SYSGEN using RP06 disks ; record a copy of console output, send debug info to simh's stderr SET CONSOLE LOG=./console.log SET CONSOLE DEBUG=/dev/null echo == ; configure the CPU ; (default is 11/73 w/256KB MEM, running unthrottled) SET CPU 11/70, 2M ; throttle not needed because idle detect works with RSX-11M SET CPU IDLE ;SET THROTTLE 500K ; Configure devices ; disable default devices we don't want/need SET CR DISABLE SET HK DISABLE SET RQ DISABLE SET RX DISABLE SET TM DISABLE SET TQ DISABLE SET XQ DISABLE ; Massbus RP06's for system and spare disks (up to 8 drives)... ; Using this will DISABLE all autoconfig stuff (for any explicit assignment ; not just RHA. If you have to do this you need to set config for ALL devices. ; SET RHA VECTOR=254 SHOW RHA SET RP ENABLE SET RP0 RP06, WRITEENABLED SET RP1 RP06, WRITEENABLED SET RP2 RP06, WRITEENABLED SET RP3 RP06, WRITEENABLED ;SET RP2 DISABLE ;SET RP3 DISABLE SET RP4 DISABLE SET RP5 DISABLE SET RP6 DISABLE SET RP7 DISABLE ATTACH RP0 ./rsx11mp_sysdisk.rp06 ATTACH RP1 ./systemdisk2.rp06 ; 9-track Massbus magtapes (2 drives)... ;SET RHB ENABLE ; SET TU ENABLE ; SET TU TM03 ; SET TU0 TU77 ; SET TU1 TU77 ; SET TU2 DISABLE ; SET TU3 DISABLE ; SET TU4 DISABLE ; SET TU5 DISABLE ; SET TU6 DISABLE ; SET TU7 DISABLE ; For PREGENNEDSYS RL02 only MS, MU devices recognised SET TQ ENABLE SET TQ TU81 SET TQ AUTOCONFIGURE ; RL01 for DECNET media SET RL ENABLE SET RL0 ENABLE, RL02, WRITEENABLED ;ATTACH RL0 rsx11mp46-rl02pg.dsk SET RL1 ENABLE, RL02, WRITEENABLED SET RL2 ENABLE, RL02, LOCKED SET RL3 ENABLE, RL02, LOCKED ; RK05 data disks (4 drives)... SET RK ENABLE SET RK0 WRITEENABLED SET RK1 WRITEENABLED SET RK2 WRITEENABLED SET RK3 WRITEENABLED SET RK4 DISABLED SET RK5 DISABLED SET RK6 DISABLED SET RK7 DISABLED ATTACH LPT ./lp11.out ; DZ11 (8 interactive user ports)... SET DZ ENABLE SET DZ LINES=8 ATTACH DZ 10001 ; Enable DELUA Ethernet card and attach set XU enable set XU autoconfigure attach XU nat:DHCP=10.0.2.128,tcp=2323:10.0.2.128:23,tcp=2121:10.0.2.128:21 ; Separate the simulated PDP11 Console from the Simh command window SET CONSOLE TELNET=1 ; ; Show device information as required for SYSGEN SHOW CPU SHOW RHA SHOW RHB SHOW TU SHOW RP SHOW RL SHOW RK echo Paper Tape (High Speed Reader and Punch)... SHOW PTR SHOW PTP echo LP11-S Line Printer... SHOW LPT echo Console DL11(-A?) serial port SHOW TTI SHOW TTO echo DZ11 terminal multiplexer SHOW DZ echo KW11-L Line Clock... SHOW CLK echo Ethernet... SHOW XU ECHO ** ECHO * Enter a BOOT command to start the simulator: * ECHO *BOOT RP0 ; boots from the RP06 media * ECHO *BOOT TQ0 ; boots from the tape (bootable tape) * ECHO ** ECHO * NOTE: * ECHO * Ctl-E at this terminal interrupts the simulator * ECHO ** NOTE: Host is Win 10 Pro running up to date. The SimH version is from a GIT Win recent pre-build binary. PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current Simulator Framework Capabilities: 32b data 32b addresses Threaded Ethernet Packet transports:PCAP:NAT:UDP Idle/Throttling support is available Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) support RAW disk and CD/DVD ROM support Asynchronous I/O support (Lock free asynchronous event queue)
