[Simh] Seeking silly utility
I had a utility a long time ago that would render data as an ASCII rendition of paper tape or cards. I can't for the life of me remember what the utility was called, though, or where I got it from. Does anybody else here perhaps recall the name of the utility (and even better where I could get it from)? -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Seeking silly utility
And there's the penny that dropped. Contained in the package bsdgames for those who may be interested. On 17 July 2014 09:12, Clem Cole cl...@ccc.com wrote: UNIX - they were called ppt and bcd. If you look on Warren's PUPS and TUHS archives, I suspect you will find the sources. Clem On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Michael Richter ttmrich...@gmail.com wrote: I had a utility a long time ago that would render data as an ASCII rendition of paper tape or cards. I can't for the life of me remember what the utility was called, though, or where I got it from. Does anybody else here perhaps recall the name of the utility (and even better where I could get it from)? -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Segfault on DZ emulation for PDP-11
If you enable the DZ terminal multiplexer and do set dz log=0=./0.log without attaching you get a segfault as of the github 43e5647e release. This occurs on Linux Mint 15, 64-bit edition. I think the emulator should either just record logging *intent* here pending an attachment or it should give an error like the ubiquitous Invalid argument instead of crashing. ;) -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] smallest pdp-11 that can run TECO and sockets(*)?
Perhaps I'm showing stunning naivete here, but … couldn't you just get all your stuff working (TECO and TCP/IP or whatever you use instead) on a large PDP-11 emulation and then reduce it to the smallest configuration you can find? Or is the experimental approach somehow bad, even though it doesn't cost anything at all in hardware? -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Installing layered products on RSTS/E 10.1
On 22 February 2011 04:19, Rich Alderson s...@alderson.users.panix.comwrote: I've never installed software on RSTS/E, but I suspect that it's not dissimilar to installing software on other operating systems for hardware of similar design vintage: More than 1 tape is involved. When the first tape's content has been loaded onto the disk, the operating system rewinds and dismounts the tape and you are prompted to mount the next one. What you need to do is to type the WRU character (SimH defaults this to ^E) to get back to the simulator prompt and issue an ATTACH command for the next tape in the installation sequence. This should be described in the installation manual. Hope that helps. The problem with this is that there *is* no second tape. There's only one tape for any of them. I understand the whole mount a second tape thing at the operational level. There just isn't a second tape. Others have managed to install these very same tapes on the very same version of the operating system too, annoyingly enough. There's some setup I'm not getting right here. -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Installing layered products on RSTS/E 10.1
OK, thanks for the reply and I apologize for my tardiness in getting around to this. Well, I've got the following in my .ini file (eliding the unnecessary stuff): set tu enable set tu tm03 ... set tu1 format=tpc attach -er tu1 tapes/ro/BASIC-PLUS-2-V2.6.TPC ... When I fire up RSTS/E 10.1 I do the following: $ mount mm1 %Device is write protected Density is 800 Tape is in ANSI format Label: bp2 $ dir mm1: Name .TypSizeName .TypSizeName .TypSize MM1: INSTAL.BCK* 97 P BP2REL.BCK* 26 P BP2 .BCK* 1856 P PBLT .BCK*728 P Total of 2707 blocks in 4 files in MM1: So now I run @[0,1]instal layered_products and select BP2 when given the opportunity. It goes through the usual questions: mount device, target account, etc. and then, after collecting all that information asks me if I'm ready to proceed. When I answer yes: RSTS/E V10.1-L Software Installation Procedure20-Feb-11 01:08 AM Build Phase Restoring BP2 update components from the Installation kit Please mount volume 2 on _MM1:. Press RETURN to continue : I'm just at a loss here. The tape is mounted. It looks perfectly fine when I take a directory of it. What's weirder is that I can't do anything with MM1: once I've run instal. The device is offline and I can't for the life of me figure out how to do anything with it after that. set device mm1: /enable doesn't do the trick nor does anything else I can find. On 1 February 2011 01:47, Christopher Myers thisisentchri...@gmail.comwrote: Where are you getting your layered products? I get mine from here: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsts_dists/ These are the products I installed successfully and never needed a 2nd volume: fms11_v2_1.tpc decnet-e_v4_1.tap bp2_v2_7.tap f77_v5_3.tpc fortran_iv_v2_8.tap Never got c81 to install, RSTS/E won't install it (keeps complaining about format) and the tape files appear to be formatted differently than the other software. Doesn't matter to me, I don't know Cobol. So to try some ideas, try the full command, @[0,1]instal layered_products Also make sure your tapes are mounted right and possibly the correct hardware: For example bp2: attach -e -r TU3 bp2_v2_7.tap I used TM03 magnetic tape drives and never locked them. For me RSTS/E will complain about the file format so I need to run nearly all of my layered products with this (even if its a .tap, not a .tpc): set TUn FORMAT=TPC ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Bug in PDP-11 emulator docs
The docs say that the TC11/TU56 DECtape drives are device DT. In reality it seems they are TC. -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Installing layered products on RSTS/E 10.1
I run @[0,1]instal layered and pick, say, bp2. I point it to the tape (which is there and contains the data). It then suddenly asks for volume 2. There is no volume 2. And it does this for anything I try to install: bp2, frtrn77, c81, fms -- anything. Not a single one of them has a volume 2 and when I peek inside the tape files I can't find anything that would hint that a volume 2 is even required. What am I doing wrong here? -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Server down.
simh.trailing-edge.com seems to be down for the count. It vanished sometime this morning (my time) and by 2AM next morning was still gone. -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] RT-11 .DSK usage (was DECUS C)
What I'm not catching is where to get this FLX program from. The only FLX I can find anywhere runs on Linux or other Unix-alikes. My RSTS/E 9.6 installation doesn't have any file anywhere beginning with FLX. (I don't have an RSX-11M machine to try this with yet, mind.) On 23 August 2010 17:53, Tim Shoppa sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: sho...@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) wrote: Examples below show mounting the DECUS 11-424 disk image 110424.dsk under the MSCP driver unit 1 (aka rq1 in SIMH). [...] sim att rq1 110424.dsk Oh, one thing that many here do not seem to have caught on to with regards to MSCP disk usage. Although SIMH RQ supports specifying the disk type (e.g. SET RQn RA90) only a few poorly-designed, and not so often used, operating systems care what the disk type is set to. All the reasonable OS's treat it as a big bunch of blocks. Tim. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] DECUS C
OK, I've been stumped by this long enough. These *.dsk files that are everywhere in every software collection for the PDP-11 -- exactly which disk formats are they or how would I go about trying to figure out from the contents what format they are? For example what kind of disk should http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/freeware/dsk/misc/decusc.dsk be mounted as? Or any of the others in that same directory, for that matter. I've tried attaching them to every disk device I can emulate and can't access a single one of them from the actual PDP-11 (always with the ever-helpful ???Disk pack mount error or equivalent each time). -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Fwd: Making tape/disk images
Oops. Sent this to Tim only instead of list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Richter ttmrich...@gmail.com Date: 5 May 2010 21:45 Subject: Re: [Simh] Making tape/disk images To: Shoppa, Tim tsho...@wmata.com On 5 May 2010 20:59, Shoppa, Tim tsho...@wmata.com wrote: Al writes: On 5/3/10 12:30 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: the code that reads tape images in simh can also read from a directory instead of a tape image. and create what type of on-tape directory structure? tape image code knows of nothing above tape blocks and file marks. Al hits the issue exactly on the head. If SIMH only had to emulate one operating system, with one OS/application tape format, then I think the concept of a virtual filesystem tape image would be OK. But SIMH is used with dozens of OS's, with hundreds of different tape formats. Seems like things spin out of control to support them all inside SIMH. Now, tools that can manipulate files and load them into tape and disk images in OS-specific formats, or go the other way and extract files from tape and disk images, has a long tradition. Going back to at least the 1970's. My gut feeling is to extend this tradition, not abandon it. Would it not be possible to make a general-purpose tape archive system that has mid-end plugins for the OS-specific formats and back-end plug-ins for the simulated physical formats? This way a single tool with a single command line could be made that allows things like (example command lines only): - simtar --create --file=myfile.tap --file-system=RSTS9 --tape-format=SIMH ./* - simtar --extract --file=myfile.tcp --file-system=VMS --tape-format=TPC Unless someone can see any reason why this is intrinsically impossible, I wouldn't mind taking a crack at such a program written in some scripting language for proof of concept (and maybe even final form -- I don't see any particular advantage to writing something like this in C since performance won't be a huge issue). Since I'm screwing around with RSTS right now my first version would be for RSTS, naturally. I could then pop the code up somewhere for others to hack onto for other formats. As new emulators get attached, new operating systems get resurrected, etc. the program could be expanded with plug-ins. -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Status?
Maybe the existence of the sourceforge project needs to be made more visible somewhere on the simh.trailing-edge.com site? I had no idea at all that it existed. (Also, would there be any way to persuade the Powers That Be to switch to a distributed RCS site like Github or Bitbucket over Sourceforge's staid and stuffy CVS/SVN insistence?) -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] SIMH, PDP-11, RSTS/E and disconnection
So I have a really nicely-running PDP-11 now with remote access via telnet through a DZ-11 device fully working. I can log in remotely on up to 8 simultaneous connections (only one DZ-11 set up for now) and have everybody working at the same time without a problem. There is, however, the problem of hanging up. I've attached the DZ-11 with the following command: attach -am dz 6870 Then I connect via: telnet localhost 6870 I then log in and kill my telnet connection entirely. Just for good measure I kill the shell that spawned the telnet connection and double-check with ps that I've got no telnet sessions of any kind running. When I switch over to the console and check, the logged-in user is still logged-in. The missing telnet connection hasn't translated into any kind of hangup it seems. Further, when I telnet back in I go straight into the logged-in user account. I think the undesirability of this is understandable. I've also tried attach plain, with -a, with -m as well as with -am as above without any changes in behaviour. The system never seems to figure out that the connection has gone away. When I pause the simulation and inspect its state, I see this: sim e dz state CSR[0]: 040140 RBUF[0]:00 LPR[0]: 017030 TCR[0]: 00 MSR[0]: 01 TDR[0]: 12 SAENB[0]: 1 RXINT: 00 TXINT: 00 MDMCTL: 1 AUTODS: 1 To my untrained eye it looks like auto-disconnection and modem controls are both set on as expected, so how do I get the system to act like it is supposed to? -- Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot. --Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the don't be evil mantra. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
