Re: [Simh] Newbie questions about VMS for VAX
On 5/6/2020 5:09 PM, Mike Stramba wrote: And another note: If you sign up with decusrve you can also sign up for a free VMS account on their real-hardware VMS system. It's been "awhile" since I've logged in there, so I don't remember what version / hw they are running. Mike $ show system OpenVMS V8.4-2L2 on node EISNER 6-MAY-2020 18:37:11.18 Uptime 8 03:09:41 $ show cpu System: EISNER, AlphaServer DS20 500 MHz -- John H. Reinhardt ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Newbie questions about VMS for VAX
And another note: If you sign up with decusrve you can also sign up for a free VMS account on their real-hardware VMS system. It's been "awhile" since I've logged in there, so I don't remember what version / hw they are running. Mike On 5/6/20, Bob Eager wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2020 21:56:58 +0100 > "Dave Wade" wrote: > >> > 2. About the versions of (Open)VMS. As I understand, 7.3 is the >> > newest version for VAX, and it's still rather old, but I'm okay >> > with that, and possibly with even older versions. Does the HPE >> > hobbyist program license older versions than 7.3 for the VAX? Do >> > all versions require licenses? There are various old VMS versions >> > circulating over the Internet, are they any good? >> >> >> HPE will if you ask, send you a link to 7.3 if you ask. Whilst 7.3 is >> old its pretty good. If you ask they will send you Alpha & VAX >> licences. > > Which unfortunately expire at the end of 2021. We hope this will be > fixed somehow. > >> There are later version of VMS for Alpha. There are some >> Alpha emulators about but not as good as the alpha emulators.. > > ITYM 'VAX' ? > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Newbie questions about VMS for VAX
On Wed, 6 May 2020 21:56:58 +0100 "Dave Wade" wrote: > > 2. About the versions of (Open)VMS. As I understand, 7.3 is the > > newest version for VAX, and it's still rather old, but I'm okay > > with that, and possibly with even older versions. Does the HPE > > hobbyist program license older versions than 7.3 for the VAX? Do > > all versions require licenses? There are various old VMS versions > > circulating over the Internet, are they any good? > > > HPE will if you ask, send you a link to 7.3 if you ask. Whilst 7.3 is > old its pretty good. If you ask they will send you Alpha & VAX > licences. Which unfortunately expire at the end of 2021. We hope this will be fixed somehow. > There are later version of VMS for Alpha. There are some > Alpha emulators about but not as good as the alpha emulators.. ITYM 'VAX' ? ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Newbie questions about VMS for VAX
> 2. About the versions of (Open)VMS. As I understand, 7.3 is the newest > version for VAX, and it's still rather old, but I'm okay with that, and > possibly > with even older versions. Does the HPE hobbyist program license older > versions than 7.3 for the VAX? Do all versions require licenses? There are > various old VMS versions circulating over the Internet, are they any good? HPE will if you ask, send you a link to 7.3 if you ask. Whilst 7.3 is old its pretty good. If you ask they will send you Alpha & VAX licences. There are later version of VMS for Alpha. There are some Alpha emulators about but not as good as the alpha emulators.. > > Again, sorry if these questions have obvious answers; because for me, they > don't. Thanks in advance. Dave > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Newbie questions about VMS for VAX
On 5/6/2020 6:47 AM, Vassil Daskalov wrote: I have no access to physical Itanium, Alpha or VAX hardware, so I plan to use SIMH to emulate a VAX machine. Such configuration is certainly able to run NetBSD, so it should be able to run at least some older versions of (Open)VMS, right? Yes. 1. Can I still use the HPE hobbyist program, which, as I understand, is closing? I tried to subscribe to it, but apparently it requires me to be a member of some DEC club, and I have no idea how to do that. On some webpages of these clubs I read that membership is free if I'm a DEC or HPE customer, but I'm not one. Does this mean that I have to pay money in order to use a hobbyist installation of VMS? If it is possible for free, can someone tell me the easiest way to obtain a license? From a post from Steven M Jones last week: Should be able to do that here: https://www.hpe.com/h41268/live/index_e.aspx?qid=24548 You'll need to be affiliated with a group in their list. I recommend DECUServe, my understanding is they don't have any geographic requirements. You can do that by telnet or ssh to eisner.decuserve.org, username REGISTRATION (no password, just hit Return), and follow the prompts. It'll take some time for the data to propagate to HPE if you have to create an account, measured in days not weeks. 2. About the versions of (Open)VMS. As I understand, 7.3 is the newest version for VAX, and it's still rather old, but I'm okay with that, and possibly with even older versions. Does the HPE hobbyist program license older versions than 7.3 for the VAX? The hobbyist PAKs work with all versions of VAX/VMS (OpenVMS VAX). Do all versions require licenses? PAKs were introduced with VMS V5.0, if memory serves. There are various old VMS versions circulating over the Internet, are they any good? All versions of VMS are good. ;-) But later versions certainly have more features. If I were starting just to play with it, I'd start with V7.3. -- Hunter -- Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ goathun...@goatley.com http://hunter.goatley.com/ ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] Newbie questions about VMS for VAX
Hello. First, I'm sorry for the newbie message, but I have some questions I never was able to find satisfying answers to. So, basically I want as a hobby to run VMS, to play with it, etc. preferably with some added software, such as programming language translators, networking etc. I have no access to physical Itanium, Alpha or VAX hardware, so I plan to use SIMH to emulate a VAX machine. Such configuration is certainly able to run NetBSD, so it should be able to run at least some older versions of (Open)VMS, right? Now, the questions. 1. Can I still use the HPE hobbyist program, which, as I understand, is closing? I tried to subscribe to it, but apparently it requires me to be a member of some DEC club, and I have no idea how to do that. On some webpages of these clubs I read that membership is free if I'm a DEC or HPE customer, but I'm not one. Does this mean that I have to pay money in order to use a hobbyist installation of VMS? If it is possible for free, can someone tell me the easiest way to obtain a license? 2. About the versions of (Open)VMS. As I understand, 7.3 is the newest version for VAX, and it's still rather old, but I'm okay with that, and possibly with even older versions. Does the HPE hobbyist program license older versions than 7.3 for the VAX? Do all versions require licenses? There are various old VMS versions circulating over the Internet, are they any good? Again, sorry if these questions have obvious answers; because for me, they don't. Thanks in advance. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
