Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Hunter Goatley]

On 7/9/2015 1:31 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

On 2015-07-09 19:45, BDC wrote:

Is there ssh server for vax vms?


Yes. Process Software's tcpware includes ssh as far as I can remember.


Yes, as does Process Software's MultiNet. Both are available for OpenVMS 
Hobbyist use.


Process Software: OpenVMS Hobbyist Program 



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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2015-07-09 19:45, BDC wrote:

Is there ssh server for vax vms?


Yes. Process Software's tcpware includes ssh as far as I can remember.

Johnny





On Jul 9, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Tom Morris mailto:tfmor...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Bill Deegan
mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com>> wrote:


Amazon seems to be filtering telnet, so we moved the telnet to
port 80 and success!


EC2 security groups can be set up to allow whatever you want.  You
need to configure both it and the Centos firewall.

BTW, you should probably be using SSH instead of telnet anyway and
port 22 is almost certainly open by default.

Tom



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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[BDC]

Is there ssh server for vax vms?



> On Jul 9, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Tom Morris  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Bill Deegan  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Amazon seems to be filtering telnet, so we moved the telnet to port 80 and 
>> success!
> 
> EC2 security groups can be set up to allow whatever you want.  You need to 
> configure both it and the Centos firewall.
> 
> BTW, you should probably be using SSH instead of telnet anyway and port 22 is 
> almost certainly open by default.
> 
> Tom 
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Tom Morris]

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Bill Deegan 
wrote:

>
> Amazon seems to be filtering telnet, so we moved the telnet to port 80 and
> success!
>

EC2 security groups can be set up to allow whatever you want.  You need to
configure both it and the Centos firewall.

BTW, you should probably be using SSH instead of telnet anyway and port 22
is almost certainly open by default.

Tom
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

FYI:

set xq eth1
and then turn off decnet on the install vms system worked like a charm.

Amazon seems to be filtering telnet, so we moved the telnet to port 80 and
success!

For our current needs this will work!


Thanks to all.
-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <
m...@infocomm.com> wrote:

> OK.
>
>
>
> Consider this:
>
> 1)  A standalone vax/vms system won’t usefully need to run DECnet or
> any cluster stuff.
>
> 2)  From what you describe you don’t really need to talk between the
> simh VAX instance and the host centos system.
>
> Given these, you can configure the VMS environment to ONLY have an IP
> network stack and avoid DECnet.  This will allow the MAC address of the
> simulated NIC to retain its default value (as set in the simh configuration
> file) rather than dynamically changing to a DECnet form MAC address.
>
>
>
> You should then be able to set the simh configured MAC address to the same
> MAC address as the centos system’s network interface you are using.  Given
> that, you only need to get an additional IP address for use on the
> simulated system.  I haven’t actually tried this, but it “should” work.
>
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Deegan [mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:40 PM
> *To:* Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
> *Cc:* bill...@buzz1.com; simh@trailing-edge.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
>
>
>
> Trying to run vax/vms under simh on centos (or RHEL) 6.6
>
> Migrating some applications from a physical vax.
>
> Minimally be able to Telnet into the system from another system.
>
> Maybe ftp in/out.
>
>
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <
> m...@infocomm.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
>
>
> What EXACTLY are you trying to do?   What are you trying to do with the
> VAX/VMS system?
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the host OS the simh instance is running under?
>
>
>
> -    Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Deegan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM
> *To:* bill...@buzz1.com
> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
>
>
>
> Yup. Correct IP.
>
> I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from
> the MAC address that VMS changes to.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan  wrote:
>
> Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
> NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
> Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
>  b
>
>
>
>   Original Message 
> > From: "Bill Deegan" 
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
> > To: "Cory Smelosky" 
> > Cc: "simh@trailing-edge.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
> >
> > Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky  wrote:
> >
> > > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
> to
> > > run on an ec2 machine?
> > > >
> > > > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> > > where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
> network...
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm]

OK.

Consider this:

1)  A standalone vax/vms system won’t usefully need to run DECnet or any 
cluster stuff.

2)  From what you describe you don’t really need to talk between the simh 
VAX instance and the host centos system.
Given these, you can configure the VMS environment to ONLY have an IP network 
stack and avoid DECnet.  This will allow the MAC address of the simulated NIC 
to retain its default value (as set in the simh configuration file) rather than 
dynamically changing to a DECnet form MAC address.

You should then be able to set the simh configured MAC address to the same MAC 
address as the centos system’s network interface you are using.  Given that, 
you only need to get an additional IP address for use on the simulated system.  
I haven’t actually tried this, but it “should” work.


-Mark

From: Bill Deegan [mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:40 PM
To: Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
Cc: bill...@buzz1.com; simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

Trying to run vax/vms under simh on centos (or RHEL) 6.6
Migrating some applications from a physical vax.
Minimally be able to Telnet into the system from another system.
Maybe ftp in/out.

-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm 
mailto:m...@infocomm.com>> wrote:
Bill,

What EXACTLY are you trying to do?   What are you trying to do with the VAX/VMS 
system?


What is the host OS the simh instance is running under?


-Mark

From: Simh 
[mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com<mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com>] 
On Behalf Of Bill Deegan
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM
To: bill...@buzz1.com<mailto:bill...@buzz1.com>
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>

Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

Yup. Correct IP.
I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from the 
MAC address that VMS changes to.
-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan 
mailto:bill...@buzz1.com>> wrote:
Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
 b



  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Deegan" 
> mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
> To: "Cory Smelosky" mailto:b...@gewt.net>>
> Cc: "simh@trailing-edge.com<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>" 
> mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
>
> Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
>
> -Bill
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky 
> mailto:b...@gewt.net>> wrote:
>
> > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan 
> > > mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com>>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
to
> > run on an ec2 machine?
> > >
> > > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> > where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
network...
> > >
> > > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Trying to run vax/vms under simh on centos (or RHEL) 6.6
Migrating some applications from a physical vax.
Minimally be able to Telnet into the system from another system.
Maybe ftp in/out.

-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <
m...@infocomm.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
>
>
> What EXACTLY are you trying to do?   What are you trying to do with the
> VAX/VMS system?
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the host OS the simh instance is running under?
>
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Deegan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM
> *To:* bill...@buzz1.com
> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
>
>
>
> Yup. Correct IP.
>
> I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from
> the MAC address that VMS changes to.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan  wrote:
>
> Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
> NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
> Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
>  b
>
>
>
>   Original Message --------
> > From: "Bill Deegan" 
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
> > To: "Cory Smelosky" 
> > Cc: "simh@trailing-edge.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
> >
> > Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky  wrote:
> >
> > > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
> to
> > > run on an ec2 machine?
> > > >
> > > > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> > > where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
> network...
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm]

Bill,

What EXACTLY are you trying to do?   What are you trying to do with the VAX/VMS 
system?


What is the host OS the simh instance is running under?


-Mark

From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Bill Deegan
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM
To: bill...@buzz1.com
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

Yup. Correct IP.
I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from the 
MAC address that VMS changes to.
-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan 
mailto:bill...@buzz1.com>> wrote:
Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
 b



  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Deegan" 
> mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
> To: "Cory Smelosky" mailto:b...@gewt.net>>
> Cc: "simh@trailing-edge.com<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>" 
> mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
>
> Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
>
> -Bill
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky 
> mailto:b...@gewt.net>> wrote:
>
> > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan 
> > > mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com>>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
to
> > run on an ec2 machine?
> > >
> > > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> > where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
network...
> > >
> > > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Yup. Correct IP.
I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from
the MAC address that VMS changes to.

-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan  wrote:

> Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
> NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
> Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
>  b
>
>
>
>   Original Message 
> > From: "Bill Deegan" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
> > To: "Cory Smelosky" 
> > Cc: "simh@trailing-edge.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
> >
> > Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky  wrote:
> >
> > > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
> to
> > > run on an ec2 machine?
> > > >
> > > > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> > > where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
> network...
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[B Degnan]

Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about 
NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use 
Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
 b
  
  
  
  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Deegan" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
> To: "Cory Smelosky" 
> Cc: "simh@trailing-edge.com" 
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
>
> Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
>
> -Bill
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky  wrote:
>
> > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX 
to
> > run on an ec2 machine?
> > >
> > > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> > where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2 
network...
> > >
> > > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?

-Bill

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky  wrote:

> Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan  wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX to
> run on an ec2 machine?
> >
> > We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
> where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2 network...
> >
> > Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Cory Smelosky]

Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX to run on 
> an ec2 machine?
> 
> We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue where the 
> MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2 network...
> 
> Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
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[Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Greetings,

Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX to run
on an ec2 machine?

We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue where
the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2 network...

Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?

Thanks,
Bill
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